>soldiers in basic are able to zero their rifles in under

It requires talent

>>32064748
Because you're trying to be John Wayne, some poor private is just trying to not get yelled at.

>>32064748

maybe your barrel is fucked.

>>32064748
>>32064831

or ammo is shit

>>32064748
practice doesn't make perfect, you dumbshit
practice makes permanent

coaching makes perfect

get someone to help you

>>32064748
Any number of things could be fucking you up. I know there is a lot of us on /k/ but I'm an infantryman and you're right, I can zero my rifle quickly. I'd be able to help more if you posted a picture of your target. It's either your sight picture, breathing, trigger squeeze, or body position that's fucking you up.

>>32064748
Maybe things were smoother in basic, but afterwards I was lucky to keep my weapon zeroed given the amount of armsroom fuckery, changing optics and different idiot-proofing tiedown procedures enforced by the higher ups.
Also, >>32064858 is only somewhat true; you may lock yourself into bad habits, and someone with heavy exp can help, but don't expect them to work miracles on you.
If all else fails, blame the gun.

>>32064961
im not somewhat true, im absolutely true.

practicing doing it wrong only gets you really good at doing it wrong

>>32064748
What do you consider bad groups?

In basic training, we shot at 25yds prone supported and we had to get groupings small enough to fit within a 1 or 2 inch diameter circle.

It also could be your eyes. My friend learned last week that his eyes were bad shooting with a 1x optic that has a diopeter to adjust for eye focus. He was getting 4 inch groups at 25yds before, and i thought he was a shit shot. Then he used my optic and shot 3 round groups where the holes touch.

Hes now saving up to switch his fastfire red dot for a 1-4 scope

>>32064796

this

>>32064961
gutted 550 inline bowline w/ round turns

>>32064796
This

>>32064989
You're not though. Coaching doesn't guarantee perfection, dipshit. Don't make me Bobby Brady that ass.

>>32065014
At one point we had to use some sort of metal wire and some tool that clamps/twists it up. Like fuck me pal, lets just leave the sights at home and wing it at this point.

>>32065089
im not at all surprised you miss my point, since you're a drooling mouth breather. but i understand your take on things.

practicing it wrong only gets you really good at doing it wrong

>>32065089

baling wire, armorer had the tool.

we had to do that with the aforementioned 550 as a backup.

>>32064845
Even shit ammo should group at 25-50 yards

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>>32064748
Sign up for an Appleseed op. Learn about the correct positions, factors that could influence bad groups, your natural point of aim and so on. Groupon regularly has discounts so you can get a 2 day class for under $40.

>>32065204
They actually make you secure your sights in that fashion? We changed from standard sights to ACOGs about 4 or 5 years ago and I haven't seen one come off yet. Seen a Holo sight do it though. Lel.

>>32064748
Go to an Appleseed event OP, they'll cure what ails you. They're cheap too. I've seen folks who could barely shoot when they arrived reliably hitting 400yd prone silhouettes by the end of day 2.

https://appleseedinfo.org

>>32064858
This.

I go shooting with my friends father who shot competition in his younger days (my father did teach me the basics but he passed away 9 yrs ago). Learned more and shoot better just going alone or with a friend my age.

>>32064960
>A marine, an infantryman and a paratrooper all walk into a bar. How do you know? They'll all tell you.

>>32064748

take your time

if it takes you 5 minutes to fire a round thats fine, its all about consistency.

it took me 45 minutes to fire 20 rounds from the AR


also zero your gun to the group and not an individual shot, and hold your rifle the same way and make sure your eye relief is the same

>>32064748
Get an AK and you don't have to fuck with your sights. Pepe sights are a meme.

>>32066037

but thats just wrong

>>32065332
>>32065635
>appleseed
neat
taking the 2nd all the way

>>32064748
I'm gonna let you in on a secret. You're inconsistent in your shooting. Whenever you shoot you need to make the same cheek weld every time. You can do that easily with nose to the charging handle. Other things can change your shot placement, but cheek weld usually is the biggest culprit.

>>32065145
The point is you're speaking in absolutes. I may be a mouth breather, but I'm no SITH.
Piece of shit son of bitch.

>>32066140
this. before johnny highspeed new private in basic does shit with live ammo, he's spending a full week dicking around with an unloaded m4, drilling the fundamentals and dry firing their rifle infinitely using all those fundamentals.

if you're resetting your position in any way between shots, youre adding variable to your groups. once your fundamentals are mastered, shooting a rifle becomes 99% aiming and sight picture. you shouldnt even need to think about anything else other than where your sights are in relation to target

>>32065008
>In basic training, we shot at 25yds prone supported and we had to get groupings small enough to fit within a 1 or 2 inch diameter circle.

Wow, didn't know the requirements are that low

>soldiers in basic are able to zero their rifles in under 10 rounds and at a reasonable time without much training

Doesnt happen

>>32066309

Yes it does, contrary to what your fat armchair ass thinks.

>>32066309
If you can hit paper, you can have your rifle zeroed with the next shot.

>>32066395

No it doesnt

T. 11b OSUT graduate

>>32064845
this is a meme. shit ammo still groups fine.

>>32066498

>when you gotta make shit up

If you were an 11b graduate you'd have done it, pussy.

>>32066498
your a bad shot then

you can zero a rifle in as little as 2 shots out of the box so long as you know where the first round lands

just takes experience and attention to detail

>>32066169
touche'

>>32066498
In the Marines we absolutely do it with 9 rounds. If you need more, you're fucking up.

See>>32066140
>>32066264

When the Aimpoint M68 Close Combat Optic became standard issue, it was common for people to sight them in with only a few shots fired. Turn the dial down to the lowest brightness setting you feel comfortable with. Get somfortable and do your part, and it is easy.

>>32064748
I'd have to see you shoot. Could be your rifle is fucked. I grouped and zero'd with exactly 10 rnds. Then shot expert when we qualified.

>>32066520
>>32066520

I shot expert you subhuman trog pieces of shit

And nah, plenty of people couldnt zero their rifle in those first 10 shots, some had to try again and others had to carry over into the next day and try to zero them then

Listen next time

>>32066590
you were surrounded by bad shots or retarded people

its not hard. stop crying and figure it out like the rest of us or get an adult to zero the rifle for you when the war starts

>>32066590
someone felt bad for you and gave you expert

your that piece of garbage that consistently hits the fucking berm without adjusting his aim at all

>>32066613

Why the fuck are you assuming i had an issue with zeroing

Where did i say i had an issue with zeroing?

Im just curious

>>32066631
the problem is you weren't helping other people mr super scout sniper selfish fuck

ive been in for 16 fucking years and only 1's and 2's per range have a problem zeroing their weapon with 90% of those issues being a problem with the rifle or optic

hurr durr i shooted expert too fgt

>>32066309
>>32066297
>>32064748

Former Armyfag here. It takes WAY fucking more than 10 rounds to zero you rifle, and it has nothing to do with the shooter. You have to remember that the rife you get as gone through a lot of other soldiers hands before you, and it's very rare for the armorers to actually mechanically zero the sights when the guns get turned in.

So you start at 25 meters and fire 5 shots at a time and after each group make small adjustments to your sights until they are zeroed. You do this in the prone supported becasue you want to remove as many factors of the shooter as possible, you want to make the rifle shoot good, training the solider comes later. It generally takes around 30-50 rounds to do this, but I have seen guys do it in as little as 15, becasue that is the bare minimum they make you shoot in Basic to zero.

After that comes several weeks of Basic Rifle Marksmanship (BRM) in which soldiers are actually trained to shoot. You go to the range at least several times a week and fire several hundred rounds at targets from 50 to 300 meters before you do you qualifying shoot.

>>32066660

Have you spent those 16 years at basic?

Have you been to basic recently?

If not, your information might be flawed and causing you to have a different picture.

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>>32066681
>50 rounds to zero

>>32064748
Because drill sergeants help most people, and it's done in a heavily controlled environment that's nearly impossible to fuck up unless you're female for some reaso

>>32064796
Also this

>>32066738
You would be surprised by the number of people who join combat arms that have never even touched a gun in their life and have to get over things like flinching, or understanding fundamentals like breathing and follow through. There are also nerves to consider; BRM starts only a week or two into Basic, so some people are just still a little frazzled.

>>32066498
Oh so you were that retard in the company that took more than sixty rounds and 30 minutes

>>32066010
Isn't consistency not the same thing as accuracy? You're just replicating making the same shot.

>>32066802

Youre just insulting me at this point instead of proving me wromg and i hope you can get past that and contribute to the conversation in a constructive way

>>32066498
t. Faggot who couldn't get his rifle zeroed on the first range day. You're one of those faggots who had to have another iteration with 60% of the females

>>32066590
You see there's a big difference between unable to and impossible you fucking mongoloid. You were UNABLE to zero your rifle like you're supposed to, so you had to go again. I had my rifle zeroed in under five shots, get fucked. Try listening when people tell you shit and you won't do terrible at things

>>32066681
>5 shot groups
>small ajustments
>30-50 rounds to zero
lol-nope
most people can zero in 10-15 rounds if they payed attention to instruction and made BOLD adjustments firing 3shot groups
if it takes them more then they either have poor technique or are making too small of adjustments on their sights
even then it may only take them another 5-10 or so

>>32066839
Prove that you're right retard, you're the one speaking in absolutes about not being able to zero your weapon in ten rounds, back up your claims, idiot

>>32065435

ttp's
i jumped so yeah

>>32066864

Where are you getting the information that i personally wasnt able to zero my rifle in under 10 shots? I did mine in 8

You may wish to srsly stop bringing personal shit into this, as the gent above me can backup, there are plenty of people that do not zero their rifle in under 10 shots in basic training

The truth hurts doesnt it faggot

>>32066887

I didnt say people cant zero their rifle in ten shots

But you know what forget it

You do you booboo

>>32066899
You said it doesn't happen, meaning you didn't do it you retard. Maybe learn how to make complete sentences good, I'm sure your base has a correspondence course you can take

>>32066909
Holy fuck you should've been a marine instead of a soldier. I fucking bet you finished your enlistment as an e1.

>>32066909
>>32066309
You literally said it right here though. How are you so retarded you don't remember what you said?

>>32066909
Yeah, usually take up 20 rounds up to the mound to zero. If you use more than 10 you get kinda judged. Not going to degrade myself and call you names and shit. But if your lads are using more than 20, there is an issue with their training and skill set.

>>32066942

I dont know about you friend but i read that statement as implying that whole training companies all zero their rifles under 10 shots

Which doesnt happen, theres cases of soldiers being given more than 50-60 rounds in one sitting and then some, and this isnt just one or two people in the company, more like whole thirds or halves of platoons

So my point is that OP shouldnt worry too much about it

>>32066929
We would of taught him how to shoot.

>>32066942
Saying "doesn't happen" does not specifically imply he said he can't. He should of clarified it better tho.

>>32066797
Yeah but after a certain point doesn't range coach step in? Don't your targets get checked by someone?

As I recall if you didn't get it in 3 groupings you got individual attention. Not a good thing.

>>32066993
What you took it as means absolutely fuck all when what OP said and meant was clearly stated. You should really just stop.

>>32066869
some units do 5 rd per zero because of the idea that 3rd burst changes the pull on each single shot. so to try and eliminate this they fire 5 so that you get 2 pairs of pulls that are the same plus you are not fucked if there is a flier.

>>32064748
WWJD

My drill instructor showed us that. After certain times lighting a match is whatever punishment he had for you he just did one match, I took 4.

>>32067108
Needless to say I did not get lighting rounds into ranger leadership school, I got to clean the auditorium for 3 hours instead!

>>32067092
Noguns kid making up crap on the internet DETECTED

>>32067092
What? Nobody zeros this way

>>32066681
>several weeks of Basic Rifle Marksmanship
>You go to the range at least several times a week
I wish

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>>32067092
Not familiar with how Army does it, but that doesn't seem right.

>>32067138
He thinks you zero on burst mode for some reason. He's probably underage.

Where did you get that quote, OP? At Paris Island nobody could do that. Most of our platoon couldn't even pass the qual.

>>32066823
Accuracy is the ability to hit where you're aiming.
Consistency is the ability to repeatedly set up the conditions that allow for accurate shooting.

>>32067212
Then you are the sorriest sack shit platoon ever. Or lying. Out of 100 we had 10-15 unqs tops. Most got on second try.

MCRD SAN Diego.

>>32067212
If there's ever proof that marines are mongoloids this is it

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>>32067212
>>32067258

>>32067288
I really don't think you even know what that means

>>32064748
I belief your impotence comes in when she's at home banging jody and your are dry firing you boom shoot, keep out of your head the health insurance payments, car payment, jody getting your hoe pregnant. it's OK just do your best. Because you are the best OP.

>>32067346
I know exactly what it means.

The first claimed something wildly stupid. That's the set up. Then samefagged saying "omg that proves it". It's a simple troll technique. But (You) know that.

>>32067382
Yeah you caught me, it's a conspiracy. Nice investigating, Comey

>>32067416
Trying to weasel way out. Yeah, I know I got ya.

>>32067443
Wow is this what it feels like to be trolololed by tumblr?

>>32067461
No. This is what poor trolls do on 4chan. Again, you. Post the cap then. Busy shopping it?

>>32067482
Oh you know it

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>>32067288
I don't know what the point is because you'll just call it shopped, but here you go, idiot

>>32067511
15 mins later. Yeah, there was no point.

>>32067546
Wow I wish I could say I was surprised that you're scared to admit you're an idiot but I'm not

>>32067212
then your platoon must've been full of melanin enriched gentleman
>half couldn't shoot
>half couldn't swim

I was on Paris Island and most of my platoon was able to zero after 3 groups of 3

>>32067185
no the idea is the 3rd burst resets change the amount of pull on single shot trigger pulls. it based on the fact that you can fire 1 or 2 rounds off in burst and the next trigger pull will fire off the rest of that burst rather than start a new one. so they figured that at any time there is 1 out of 3 resets it could be at so fire 5 and you would work thru all of them and have 2 pairs of 2 that had the same trigger pull. but this was joe level thinking so take it as you will.

i like 5 rounds per zero because you can't fuck it up at 25yrds. you can still zero your rifle with a flier if the 4 other shots are in a proper grouping plus you can't luck into a good grouping. it really shows if the rifle is fucked in someway or if you just need to relearn how to shoot

>>32064748
Breathing and trigger control.
Zero zero zero.
Consistency is the key in all these things. If you do it the same every fucking time you can hit anything.

>>32064748
Might have something to do with your sights. I couldn't hit shit with my 10/22 with stock irons but immediately went to 2 inch groupings at 50 yards after I switched to a TSR100. Interestingly enough, When zeroing the new sight I used precisely 10 rounds and was done in about a minute even though it was the first time I'd zeroed anything. I had about 6 leftover that I thought I would need.

>>32067092
>retarded

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>>32064748
LEARN YOUR FUCKING MARKSMANSHIP PRINCIPLES YOU IDIOT.
t.Aussie soldier.

ITT one guy outs himself as a blind shooter and refuses to see things for what they are

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>>32069056
Pray recite them to us, oh ye who live on the arse end of the earth and whose fathers had their own arses beaten by giant birds.

>>32069109
>bringing up the Emu War

Gorm, you don't see us bringing up 'Nam, what the fuck m8

>>32069109
Australian Marksmanship principles.
1.The position and hold must be firm enough to support the weapon.
2.The firearm must point naturally at the target without physical effort.
3.Sight alignment must be correct.
4.The shot must be released and followed through without disturbance to your shooting position.
Simple.

>>32066498
When conscripted swiss maintenance troops, a third of them not even wanting to be there, manage to do that the first tine they go shooting, after theory that is, then you are just incapable. Fuck even I have managed that and I have essential tremor for christ sake.

>>32069109
We actually plucked the feathers out of the "birds" arse on horseback back in the day. Take a look at the badge on my beret.

>>32066681
>pog as fuck
>never actually served

Choose one.
Army standard is you're provided with 18 rounds to zero. Check out fm 3-22.9, and remind your first line to haze your piece of shit ass.

>>32069056
Jesus Christ....do you want to end up on the digger net? Cause that's how you end up on the digger net.

>>32066498
>BTFO
>t. Faggot

>>32069127
Any port in a storm.

>>32069135
Thank you. Capped for future consideration.

>>32069158
Your fathers may have. You did not. O how the mighty have fallen, et cetera.

>>32069203
>pog
Not him, but are you a yank?
We call non combat soldiers "poags"

>>32069234
I didnt i cant ride a horse for shit.

>>32068671
Kid - you're embarrassing yourself. You have no idea how bad you are outing yourself as someone who has never shot a gun in real life. You have no idea how obvious it is or why. Just shut up and don't offer opinions from ignorance.

>>32069137
This

30m range, zero in 6 rounds. Only walking fuckups manage to go through more than 9 at most

>>32069236
Person other (than) grunt

Yeah American

>ITT /k/ doesn't know what bore sighting is
>ITT /k/ truly is noguns

>>32069203
He is talking of Australians. And no, if a bloke uses more than 20 rounds he will see eyebrows raised and asked to explain himself, all grunts worth even half a shit will zero at 140mil at 100m.

>t. Aussie Infantry NCO

>>32069214
I dont know what that is.

>>32069288
digger is aussie for infantry i think. best SWAG is its their internal SJW police

>>32069276
Ive seen it at kapooka

>>32069297
I know what a digger is. It is an aussie soldier.
This is me
>>32069056

>>32069297
Digger is just the term for 'private', can be used to extend to JNCOs though.

>>32069319
8/10 bait, you got me to reply.
Well played my man.

>>32069332
Except commissioned officers.

>>32069135
Interestingly enough, those are almost word for word the same as the CAF marksmanship principals.

>>32069361
Canadian?

What the fuck are you guys talking about
>Pop pop pop
>Ok I'm 8 inches low and 3 inches right
>Turn The knob on your scope 8 clicks down and 3 clicks right
How fucking hard can it be

>>32069403
congratulations
you just showed you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about

>>32064858
>>32064748

Something that I learned at a marine range when I was an army grunt. "perfect practice makes perfect." You need to harness your basics. Essentially, trigger squeeze, sight picture, breathing, and firing position.

>>32066681
Wat? Watttt? 50??

We zeroed in 2 to 5. Your zeroing technique must be complete shit.
I could understand say ... 15 if the rifle is severly fucked. But 50?? Fuck no

>>32064748
You're not getting yelled at enough. That's the only way to unfuck your shit quickly, but you have to get yelled at a whole lot.

>>32065635
I went to one when I was basically a noguns. All I had was a mosin so I couldn't beat the flinch

>>32064796
Hire a former drill sergeant or a DI

>>32064796
This
Just bring your wifes boyfriend to jell at you and you will do ok...

>>32064748
>thinking being able to zero in ten rounds is remotely impressive

Dude, if you are on paper with your first shot and know the increments your sight adjust in there is no reason zeroing should take more than two shots.

Then again, ability to zero has no bearing on actual marksmanship so perhaps you don't mean what you think you mean.

>>32072964
>Doesn't zero off groupings
>Your opinion just thrown in the
>>>/trash/

Let the big boys talk Timmy.

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>>32064748
It's called using the proper targets and methods.
I spent 80 rds trying to zero my A2, the military way was like 15rds

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ITT
Welfare queens from all around the globe shitpost about how they cannot even zero a fucking rifle.

Spanks for the dervish.

>>32072997
>he can't spend $3 on a chinese tape measure and shoot a single 5 round grouping to zero his rifle
do you not know how to count?
just twist the nobs however the manual tells you to to adjust the point of impact.

>>32074007
Noguns, shhhhhhh.

>>32069270
Bore sighting just gets you on target, it doesn't get you zeroed

>>32074397
i'm sorry you have down's syndrome.

>>32074615
Hush little noguns, don't you cry. You'll get big boy pants and learn to zero one day.

some privates in basic can zero a rifle in 10 rounds.

60% require anywhere from 20-120 rounds.

omfg. the first privates I was ever responsible for as a sgt, came from AIT and couldn't hit the broad side of Russia. I had to spend all day at the range teaching them how to shoot.

>>32074634
i'm seriously not understanding how you can't do this. do you not understand how to convert between arbitrary distance and MOA?

>>32074736
I was taught how to do it properly. Why would I use your retard method?

>>32074747
if it takes more time and effort, without any advantage, how is it "proper?"
you probably wasted your time on some fuddogmatic method. relearn it

>>32074760
If the USMC method is fudd, then yep. But I'm sure your "Chinese tape measure" method is far superior.

>>32065332
>black with rasta hat
I bet his shooting skills are dope

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>>32073905
in our armed forces only armourers and trained civilian coaches are allowed to touch the zero on a rifle. we literally shoot a target, they look at it, and adjust the sights accordingly.

>mfw I get yelled at for fixing it after the coach adjusts it backwards
>mfw the coach walks in front of me while I'm firing
>mfw he says it's fine because I was ordered to fire 3 rounds and I already fired 3
>mfw there was 1 in the chamber and 5 more in the magazine.
>mfw these people are the 'professionals' and we're just dumb soldiers
>mfw I'm leaving this sinking ship in 2 weeks !!!!!!!! 20k pay rise for half the work!

YAAAAAAAS FUCK THE MILITARY

>>32066542
THIS.
I hadn't shot a firearm in forever and still managed to zero my m1a in 4 rds at 25m for a 250m zero.

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>>32064748
Its pretty easy to sight in the irons on a M16.

>>32074974
Idk about other branches but the marines made us zero our own weapons.

>>32075036
He said "his armed forces". Probably an entirely different little shit nation.

>>32074974
What country?

>>32064748
Generally? Because we get the proper technique burned in for a week before we touch a live round.

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>>32068671
>>32068671
>>32068671

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>>32068671

>>32064748
Because there's a standardized "zero" setting that is used in the army, at least. They tell use to spin the elevation adjustment to a certain setting, make sure the windage is centered. Actual zeroing is done on the range and generally only takes about 3 groupings of three rounds to get the actual zero.

>>32074847
it is

>>32076315
OK then see
>>32075932

Army's fudd too then. 3 groups of 3.

They hand you a stripper clip of 10. If you need more, someone is gonna unfuck you.

Not reading whole thread but when I sight a rifle in it's like this:

>Find bench rest and desired sight in distance.
>Fire best 5 shot group I can.
>Estimate center of 5 shot group.
>Adjust accordingly
>Use fresh target (usually other bull's-eye of same target paper)
>Fire best 5 shot group I can.
>Estimate center of 5 shot group.
>Adjust accordingly
>Use fresh target (usually other bull's-eye of same target paper)
>Fire best 5 shot group I can.
>Estimate center of 5 shot group.
>Adjust accordingly.
Once 5 shot group, no matter how bad, is centered on target, I call it sighted in.

>>32076355
>They hand you a stripper clip of 10.
Nope, ammo detail pre-loads 3-round mags.

>>32076423
Not in the Marines haha. Get lost with that shit. We load our own.

>>32064960
Do you remember your training company?

>>32066309
This.
Went through infantry basic at Fort Benning this summer

>>32078090
Well maybe women should get into Infantry since you new kids can't seem to shoot. Fuck.

>>32076437
Youre so hardcore

>>32064748
Go fuckinjg read the army marksmanship and zero/qualification standards and get some Army/Marine M16/M4 zero targets.
Practice the coin drill from prone supported and unsupported

Read the book, Do it by the book

WTF is the difficulty here ? Serious stoogery all around. You should be able to zero your rifle with 3 shots.
Bore sight with bolt removed using your eyeball to align sight to a target at around 25 yard.
Load a couple rounds at the range. Shoot one on paper at 25 yd. using a bench or sandbag for stable rest. Boresighted as described, it'll be within about 4" of bullseye on the paper. Measure your miss in inches. Then adjust sights. Most 'click' 1/4 MOA per click. At 25 yards, each click is 1/16". i.e., make a 16 click correction per inch of miss, for windage and elevation. Shoot the second round and adjust clicks once more as needed. Third should be GTG, maybe needing one or two click correction. If you're shooting an AR, it is now zeroed at 25 and about 150 yards.

>>32078385
I know. I was able to load 10 rounds into a mag and control fire it under strict supervision.

Sorry Army can't do that, must gotta be ranger lvl to get to load own mags.

>>32066571
I experienced this personally but also witnessed cases where a laser boresight was a necessity - most units will have boresights handy if joe is way off. That shit comes into play when guys have different preferences for optic placement/ distance from eye to objective - I always preferred my M68 forward with the front flush with the reciever - if the Army had a free float monolithic upper I would mount it even further forward - my reasons:
1: I had my own personal magnifier
2: IMO the tube is unrecognizable further out, it just goes away

Some guys liked their CCO's right on top of the BUIS, and weapons racks came into play too with optic placement

>>32073477
Use the M4 target if your gun is under 18".
The A2 is great for bullpups like the AUG

>>32078438
You should be able to group in 3 shots, POA/POI zero for me takes 9-15 shots with a confirmation zero - I'm a stickler and I want my group tight center mass.

Get your hold and your zero exactly where you want it that corresponds with the sighting system your are using - take your time and do it right - it doesn't matter if it takes you 30 shots get it done

>>32064748
Aim at bull's-eye, fire 3 shots, all three aimed at bull's-eye.

Draw outline around your 3 shots.

Adjust sights accordingly.

repeat
repeat
Fire 1 shot to verify.

>>32072797
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