What are the allure of these rounds? >more expensive than

Slightly better against barriers.

>>32061975
I'm:
>not poor
>have land to shoot on
>same as any other ball round
>matches BDC on my ACOG

>>32062013

No.

M193 out of a 20" barrel is far superior. It can actually penetrate steel plates whereas m855 cannot, even out of the same barrel.

>>32062051
Doesn't 62gr FMJBT shoot better than M855?

Makes libs and feds shit their pants

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>>32062463

>>32061975
Because most AR owners are retarded.
You never see this ignorant shit with people that own AK's.

>>32062463
Yeah well a lot of people don't run 20". Thanks for the useless feedback. Bet it didn't cross your mind the m855's bullet construction in your argument.

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>>32062463
any proof jack?

>>32062851
This.
Green tip is a meme round much like the 9mm and the 5.45.
Really getting sick of these bait threads

>>32062851
Agreed.
That round has some funky ballistics and is banned everywhere.
No real point in getting it when I can get Herters for a third the price

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>>32062898
Fucking what did you just say about 5.45
They didn't call it the poison tip for nothing

>>32062934

they call it that because its not a man stopper and the afghanis died from infection weeks later with third world medicine.

>>32062934
Meme round dude.
You know hes right

>owning a AR

>owning a AR without a 20" barrel

>bullets don't reach the velocity to fragment unless fired from a 20" barrel

nice .22.

>>32062934

Kalashnikov thought 5.45 was a mistake and hated the round, might want to rethink images.

>>32062726
>No.32062828▶
>Makes libs and feds shit their pants

yes.

>>32062981
Haha your a faggot, you know nothing of 5.45. If anything the sheer amout of your ignorace is a meme in its own.

>>32063000

besides a slight increase in accuracy (arguing accuracy in a AK haha) it offers nothing 7.62 does better.

>>32063000
>not an argument
How about you read a book junior?
Fucking trip fags ruin everything they touch

>>32062463
>this just in: All barriers ever are hardened steel plates
>this just in: All 5.56 rifles are 20"+ barreled
M855 does better against all the common intermediate barriers (doors, walls, soft steel, aluminum, windshields) than M193, and outperforms M193 against hardened steel when both are fired from a 16" or less barrel as it's slightly less reliant on velocity to penetrate.

>>32062726
Generally, yes.

>>32062851
>You never see this ignorant shit with people that own AK's.
>what is every 5.45x39 owner ever

And I say this being one of them

>>32062463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7NvKzzWFE
Standard level III Plates against 3 rounds of M855 and 3 rounds of M193.
(spoiler: velocity)

>>32062982
1. You're wrong
2. Bonded, acketed softpoints expand to at least 150% diameter down to around 1800fps, with some expanding down to 1500fps, while providing better barrier penetration with less deflection than ALL military loads (including all OTM's) and meeting FBI penetration requirements from a 10.3" barrel out to 730m.

>>32062851
>You never see this ignorant shit with people that own AK's.
Oh c'mon

>>32063027
Hmmm.
That Daewood guy is a special case.
5.45 aks aren't aks. They are the tumblr special snowflakes of guns.
5.45 is like the poly-gender bullshit that people identify as.
>>32063000
There are 2 types of AK's:
7.62 X 39
and 5.56 X45
ANYTHING else is not an AK you sperglord Go trip somewhere else, you aren't wanted here.
>>32063058
See my above enlightened posts

>>32063065
>enlightened
You have to actually make sense for it to be considered so.

>>32063065
If I ever find you at a /k/ meet, I kick your shit in, creep finder be dammed, you are a retard

>>32063012
Except a flat trajectory and exdeding the effective range .
>>32063018
>>32063065
Wow two replies lucky me.
Triggered much, i guess the ak74 isnt a thing huh.

>>32063085
not an argument
>>32063097
I literally have been at every meet for the past few years.
>>32063100
No its not. Notice how the AK 47 is still a thing but the 74 was instantly replaced.
Even the Russians knew it was a meme snowflake

>>32063123
>AK74 was instantly replaced
I know you're being wrong on purpose for (You)'s but at least put some effort into it.

>not an argument
Neither is saying that 5.45x39 guns are special snowflake.

>>32063100
Isnt a thing that the russian army now fields it and almost gave up the 7.62

>>32062463
>M193 can penetrate steel plates within 10 yards

Fixed that for you

>>32063135
The SKS had a far longer history than the MEME74 ever did.
5.45 are snowflake rounds. Precisely why they aren't widely produced or used.
Why isn't russia using the 74 right now then?

>>32063123
Holy shit you cant be this dumb, stop spreading miss information. Just because you read something in a lube and dildos magazine doesnt mean its true.
Please dues some research before opening the semen encrusted mouth.
>>32063145
7.62x39 is still used but russian current issue rifle is the ak74m in 5.45

>>32063172
>says someone is dumb
>knows about a lube and dildos magazine
Holy crap you are making this easy.
I bet you also think that 9mm isn't a meme round either

>>32063145
The only 7.62x39mm rifle that the Russians still use is the AKMS issued with PBS-1 suppressors.
>>32063167
>SKS is adopted in 1949 and phased out less than a decade later.
>AK-74m is still in service almost 4 decades later

>>32063167
>Why isn't russia using the 74 right now then?
Except they are.

What do you think they're using?

>>32063204
.357 sig for life faggot .
I know your trolling. Basement dwellers are easy to spot. Im just bored and this is entertaining.

>>32063204
Okay this is getting old. Stop acting like a dumbass and dragging my good name through the dirt.

>>32063065

He's known to not know what he's talking about, even in ak general, pay no attention to his info.

>>32063229

Ak103's are in service, AKM's are in service

>>32063233
That is the first smart thing I have ever heard you say. +1.
>>32063229
>In service
Literally been replaced by like 12 ak variants.
Even Call of Duty got it right with the Ak-12 and AN94.
Battlefront had the AEK971.
Get with the times guys.
>>32063255
Not me
>>32063264
Thanks friend. I have seen so much retarded shit from that trip I'm starting to think its making me retarded

>>32063280
>AK103s are in service, AKM's are in service
Yes, in limited special roles. The AKMS is issued with the PBS-1 suppressor for special forces. The standard issued rifle remains the AK-74M.
>>32063283
Weak bait.

>>32062726
In 1:7 barrels yes. 55gr is for 1:9. But you can shoot the 55 in a 1:7 and be accurate while shooting a 62gr in a 1:9 will cause the bullet to tumble as it isn't able to spin the bullet appropriately.

Op is an idiot. 62gr in 1:7, which milspec we'd are using, is superior to the 55gr.

I'm betting he is poor and mad about not being able to buy the 62gr. Not even trolling either.

>>32063328
>something I don't agree with is bait
Dude you are perpetuating a myth that went stale in the late 70's.
Why don't they call it the ak-16? Because it stopped being used in 1974 just like the 47 stopped being used in 1947.
I can't keep explaining these things to you kids

>>32063346
>shooting a 62gr in a 1:9 will cause the bullet to tumble as it isn't able to spin the bullet appropriately.

That's not true though.

I like to fuck men with AIDS

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>>32063346
>shooting a 62gr in a 1:9 will cause the bullet to tumble as it isn't able to spin the bullet appropriately
>62gr in 1:7, which milspec we'd are using, is superior to the 55gr

>>32063255
You don't have a good name fuckboi

>>32063384
no u

>>32063391
>>32063384
You guys want to hook up and finger each other's dick holes?

>>32063346

jesus christ kill yourself

>>32063414
Im down

>>32063414
fuck ya, sounds like a good time

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>>32063045
Listen to this guy.

>>32061975
It is true that M855 is a fairly useless round when compared to M193.

The only advantages I can think of are perceived better soft barrier penetration, and maybe the round staying intact through doors/windshields.

Hardly justifies its existence though.

>>32063346
Please stop posting.


TL:DR

M855 is shit. You should only have it to sell at gunshows to idiots who think its AP ammo for 1$ a shot.

>>32063097
Just let me suck your dick first

>>32063065
5.45x39 is not an AK round. Got it

>>32063376
oh my

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>you will never use a barebones stock 14.5" Colt AR-15 loaded up with M855 to protect your home
>you will never grab the rifle and hook an ALICE mag pouch onto your belt after hearing someone break into your home

>this whole thread
You people shitposted this thread to the very top.
My god

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>>32063172
Holy shit, it's him. It's actually him.

Hunter 2-1 Actual has returned in a new evolved troll form!

>>32063678
Whadya mean "you people"

>>32062873
Thier are a bunch of YouTube videos

>>32063858
Niggers. I mean niggers.

>>32061975
Green paint and fudd hype when the ATF arbitrarily "decided" to ban them

>>32063659
b..but anon

I have a barebones stock 14.5" Colt AR loaded with M855 sitting next to me right now, in my home.

I guess technically its an M4 and not and AR because that is what the upper says but still, it fits the bill.

>>32063948
What was the rifle designated if it has a carry handle upper but is otherwise an M4?

>>32063988
wat

>>32064075
Nvm I found it. Colt 727. I have one sitting next to me also loaded with green tip for the memes.

>>32063988

M4A1

I removed the carry handle because with a flat top and KAC BUIS I get more thrusts per squeeze.

>can't use at indoor ranges

t b h f a m, I've never been to an indoor range that allows any rifle rounds anyway.

>>32063988
>>32064075

Forgot to take your trip off before attention whoring yourself.

>>32063100

>flat trajectory

pointless considering both rounds will land on a man sized target at there respective ranges, 300m for 7.62 and 400m for 5.45

>exceeding the effective range

using .21 caliber 5.45x39 at ranges 400 meters and beyond, if the already prone to deflection by brush, wind,and the environment projectile actually makes it to 400m undeflected, its already subsonic and has pathetic energy levels.


5.45 is a useless cartridgebesides controllability in full auto

>>32064075
>>32063988

>>32064137
Busted

>>32064137
First, it's not a trip. Learn the difference.

Second, I forgot to take it off because I was pretending to be him to shit post. There were about 3 of us doing it.

>>32064170

>damage control

>>32064137
>trip

>>32064170
A little. I forgot to take it off and embarrassed myself. However, I am not him and was trying to have an actual conversation. That's why I deleted the name out of the field for the following post.

>>32064205
for
>>32064183

>>32061975
They're fucking green

>>32061975
They are mil-spec ammo that costs 40 cents a round and dumb uneducated AR owners who don't know why you need chamber brushes for your AR find that appealing.

>>32064122

jesus christ, how horrifying

Nearly all the ranges by me not only allow rifles but they rent machine guns such as
GE Minigun
M2 Heavy Barrel Belt fed
Browning 1919
M60
M240B
M249 SAW
Lewis Gun
Vickers Beltfed

and of course the little ones like MP5, UZI, M16, M4 etc.

Only thing that sucks is the biggest indoor range is only 50 yards. If you want more than that you have to drive half an hour to the public outdoor range or the desert.

>>32064253

vid related

https://youtu.be/YZCnR2tRN-k

>>32064253
The closest range to me is 15 min away but is 40 yard indoor (and ridiculously expensive).

The closest outdoor range is 45 min away and only 100 yards.

Inawoods? I have no idea how far that would be.

>>32063065

This guy goes around calling himself enlightened in every post. Yet he can't even grasp the English language properly. It's kind of funny in a paradoxically kind of way, how idiots are immune to their idiocy.

I remember this guy called Python the best revolvers out there hahaha. Jesus what a noguns kid.

>>32064403
City fag here I share your pain

>>32064166
You may have forgot most important difference tho.
A soldier can effectively carry more 5.45 that 7.62x39.

>>32064243
Most new production 55gr ammo is 30-35 cpr. I just don't get why people even buy this stuff, the only reason I cared about the ban was just based on principle.

>>32063678
>to the very top.

You have to go back.

>>32064742

and much of it has neither a sealed primer nor a sealed bullet. Also military stuff is loaded hotter with powder that generally burns cleaner with less flash. Only benefit I have seen from civilian ammo is that it tends to have cleaner brass.

>>32063948
If SBRs are deregulated, my dream can come true. Are you .mil? Are you civilian with a pin/weld job, or did you register a 14.5" SBR?

>>32064861
Pin/weld

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>>32065065
pic related the barrel stamp.

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>>32065193
front of upper

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>>32065203
from the back

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>>32065220
over all

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>>32065236
>muh valor

>>32061975
Penetrates soviet SSh-68 helmet from 1200 meters. M193 only from 500 meters. 2+ time more powerful! Real fucking NATO!

>>32062981
why do you keep refusing to drink bleach you fucking cancer

embrace your destiny

>>32064808
>and much of it has neither a sealed primer nor a sealed bullet. Also military stuff is loaded hotter with powder that generally burns cleaner with less flash.
None of which actually matters to most people. Price and consistency are the only two things that matter to most civilians, and cheap brass is plenty consistent enough for their intended use.

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>>32064166
>wind
5.45 has higher ballistic coefficient and and velocity than 7.62x39 and is affected by wind much less.

> its already subsonic and has pathetic energy levels.
5.45 goes subsonic at 750 meters, 7.62x39 at 550.

>>32065496
I agree, if range ammo is what you want then but civilian ammo. However I want those characteristics just in case and I dont mind paying a few cents more per round for them.

Also another thing that doesn't matter at the range punching paper or pinging steel and I see nobody ever mention is ricochet wound potential as a benefit. The steel core of M855 bounces off of shit and can still wound or kill whereas standard lead just splats into a billion pieces at most angles. Ive bounced rounds off the ground and still punched the cores through mild steel before.

>>32065193
>>32065203
>>32065220
>>32065236
>>32065248
Pretty sweet. I'm hoping the price of the Colt HBAR M4 uppers goes down.

>>32065731
thanks

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OK faggots real shit.

1/14. Original twist rate for XM16.
Dropped due to failure in Arctic trials to stabilize rounds.

1/12 M16-M16A1 CAR-15.
Twist rate for 55gr or less. WILL NOT stabilize 62gr ammo. Useless past 100M.
1/9. Used for rifles made to use both M193/M855. Anything past 65-70gr is a no-go.
1/7. M16A2-M16A4/M4.
Adopted because M193 sucks against barriers. SS109/M855/M856.
1/12 won't stabilize the 65gr tracer so it was dropped.
M855 was dropped, because fucking Army wanted EVERYONE to have 14.5 inch barrels.
BIG FUCKING SURPRISE, past 100 yards no frag. Especially, against skinny ass sand niggers.
>Pic related BULLPUP MASTER RACE.

>>32061975
They can punch through entire engine blocks and kill the driver.