With the right ammo, could a 20 inch AR make for an adequate

Depends what you're hunting.

I personally would use something a little heavier for durr.

>>32025042
I started out with a youth model ruger m77 in .223.
The youth model has a 16" barrel so subtract 200fps and it was plenty for Texas white tail that are generally smaller bodies than MN, MI, KS, or other northern states. Bullet technology has come a long way.

>>32025042
I could be adequate, but when it comes to hunting there's no kill like overkill.

I hate following blood trails, so I find 7mm Rem Mag to be plenty big enough for my purposes.

>>32025042
Yes, just be carful about shot placement. Also choose your ammo with hunting in mind.

>>32025042
My 1911 range officer makes an adequate weapon to kill deer.

My bear archery compound with rage broadheads makes an adequate weapon to kill deer.

My .410 wingmaster makes an adequate weapon to kill deer.

Literally anything is an adequate weapon to hunt deer.

>>32025042
The only thing you are going to do with that is wound the deer, forcing two of his deer buddies to take him off the field.

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>>32025336
laughed harder than i should have

>>32025042
The right ammo and the right upper.
>.50 Beowulf
>.458 SOCOM
>6.5 Grendel

>>32025042
It's perfectly suited for hunting.

Just use soft bullets.

>>32025042
It is, but it's on the very low end.
Depends if you're hunting those small dogs in the south, or the 200+ lb bucks in the north.

People take deer with .223 SBR's, an actual rifle is just more energy on target. Use copper bullets and don't do Texas Heart Shots like a dick.

>>32025042
That caliber is banned in some locations for hunting anything other than varmints. Get a 30 caliber - 308 or 30-06 or even a 30-30 lever gun.

>>32025042
.223/5.56 is pretty light for deer: not impossible, but you're teetering on it being a lot of unnecessary suffering for the deer

>>32025042

I have a rem 600 .222 heirloom from grandma, she hunted white-tails with it. I have as well.

>>32025193
/thread

>>32026267
>.30-30

OK you are an idiot. Yes it is a classic deer gun, yes it is shit compared to a 20 inch AR in 223

>>32025042
plenty of people use an ar-15 to hunt deer. they work fine as long as you can actually hit a deer in the vitals

>>32026342
People back then didn't give a fuck about letting a wounded animal around, this whole "ethical hunting" paradigm didn't exist back then.

>>32025042
Washington has a .24 caliber minimum for big game except for cougar. So where I am I would risk a big ass fine if I got caught using one for deer or elk.

>>32026739

I still hunt with it define this "back then" ?

You are correct though. There is a lot of bs surrounding hunting now days.

>>32025042
Is this an AR that you already have or are you wondering if a 20" AR is good for hunting? Because I hope you know you can get an AR in almost any caliber

>>32025042
are you talking deer?

you're going to hear a lot of bullshit b/c this board is full of posers

i know first hand via a 16 inch AR that it's 100% fine for deer, instant drop

Absolutely. Obviously not for hunting elephants or grizzlies but...duh.

>>32025042
Don't do it op, last year when I shot a buck in the head with my 20" AR with Hornady 55gr SP's he fucking marched right over to my deer blind and grabbed me by the scruff of the neck holding the bullet up between his hooves. "Did you just fucking try to shoot me with this you fat fucking human piece of shit? What the fuck were you thinking coming out here shooting popgun pellets at me and my brothers? I will have you fucking know I graduated top of my class in whitetail SEAL team 6 Delta Force you little bitch. Next time you shoot me you do it like this" then he proceeded to pull out a rusty .357 from his deer thigh holster and blew his brains out. He is in my freezer to this day

not legal to hunt with a .22 in my state

>>32025200
does new bullet technology and the increasing concern for humane kills make skills like tracking necessary? i imagine hunting back in the day would horrify the orange wearing "clean and respectable" fudds of current time. though i imagine the culture is this was now due to reactions from anti hunters

>>32026378
>making 6 inch wide and shallow 3 inch deep craters is better than a 150 grain 30 cal bullet going completely through both sides and leaving a 4 inch wide exit wound

>>32027554
>nothing short of 45-70 for whitetail
I want to see the deer this man is hunting

>>32027502
>>32027554

samefag

>>32025042
That is some aesthetic AR.

>>32027461
It's still very necessary, especially with bows. I made a bad shot on a buck this last weekend, bullet made contact with something between me and the deer, and it hit too high and too far back.

>>32025677
That would make an awesome brush buster. I've used short-barreled lever guns chambered in large rounds to take deer in thick brush. Works well at ranges less than 100 yards.

>implying you should ever hunt with anything but 8mm Mauser
Faggots here, all of you faggots.

>>32027461
You should still be able to track a blood trail, but I've had to drag enough deer out of drains and ditches to know that the sooner they drop, the better.

>>32025042
This
>>32025677
>Grendel
Big enough to kill most anything, save bears, with proper shit placement

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>>32025042
In Florida, the deer I see are perfectly sized for .223/5.56.

I'm perfectly comfortable taking body shots with a 16" AR.

I use 64g softpoints on hogs and deer.

In Michigan, where I live in the Summer and parts of the winter, I would say no unless you are confident in a headshot.

ARs aren't only chambered in 5.56 though, and if you plan on hunting larger deer I recommend the following,

300Blk
6.5Grendal
or you go ahead and get an AR10 in 7.62x51.

50 Beowolf would take away all practical aspects of the AR, as would .458 SOCOM. >>32025042

>>32027584
What possible reason would having a synthetic stock effect your ability to kill? I thought black plastic was the deadliest material on earth too...

>>32029685
Brown plastic is deadlier

>>32029476
>proper shit placement

>>32027502
>6 inch wide
>3 inch deep

Nigger nobody is planning on using 45 grain varmint rounds.

I use 64 grain soft points in my AR and it works like a charm

>>32029707
We the Cong now

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>>32029537
I live in Nevada, and I've never been hunting before. So I'll probably start trying to hunt varmint.

I have long guns chambered in 5.56 (14.5 and 20" ARs), 7.62x39 (Draco underfolder and RPK), 30-06 (M1 Garand), 7.62x54R (few mosins) and a 12 gauge chinese 870 clone.

The 5.56 is all I have with decent glass. I have a 4x POSP for the AK, but the draco has no mount, and the RPK is pretty heavy.

I've never been hunting, and aside from chance happenings with coyote, mountain goats, and deer while hiking, I don't have much to go by regarding what would be a smart set up.

In the desert, for varmint, I feel like the glass will be a big advantage, but would I be able to get away with irons (thinking Mosin or Garand) in nearby states?

>>32030591
Having glass for yote hunting is pretty important, never been myself, but in most videos or anecdotal situations I've heard of had guys taking 50-150 yard shots on coyotes.

As far as smaller varmint innadesert, glass is probably going to be important.

I'd say move the glass onto your 20" AR, pick up some 55G VMAX or VShok ammo, or even some spare M193 if hunting with FMJs is legal.

Should be more than adequate for any small game/predators.

>>32025042

Pennsylvania here.

You need at least a .30-06 to shoot deer in our woods. 7mm Mag or better if possible. Ask the hunters sighting in their rifles each year.

>>32030920
This is bait

>>32025200
Wellp, no blood trail fur shur, it goes thru a whitetail so fast it cauterizes the wound. Now if you want to blow body parts off... you're all set.

>>32030882
Thanks for the advice. Why do some people suggest heavier loads for hunting with 5.56?

>>32031077

Yeah, it could be. I didn't mean it to be, really. Just saying I've run into lots of people out here who think that's needed inside of 200 yards in the PA woods.

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>>32025336

>>32025314

This. You can legit hunt durr with a 1911, and any good .223 round (such as the tumbling ones the military uses) will create wound cavities quite similar to a soft-nosed 7.62mm hunting round.

What neither a .223 or a .45 will do is, they won't hold a nice flat trajectory out to 450 yards to nail that buck nosing his way out of the treeline down the valley. But you're probably not shooting 450 yards. You're probably shooting out 100 yards at most, where the 1911 won't work, but the .223 most certainly will.

So yeah, basically, anything that can kill a man reliably will whack a durr pretty reliably too. The biggest reason people take bigger calibers is for external ballistics (making it easier to actually put that shot where they want it) or because they also hunt elk or grizzly or some shit and they don't feel like buying two rifles.

>>32030591

Those .223s will make bitchin varmint guns. The only reason to go lower caliber would be to save money if you *really* wanna remove all the prairie dogs forever, or for a challenge.

>>32031128
Usually heavier expanding(not fragmenting) rounds are better for hog or deer hunting in 5.56 because they have consistently larger wound cavities without relying on fragmentation like FMJ or light varmint rounds do.

It really comes down to more consistent expansion and penetration, and many times better accuracy.

I wouldn't recommend 77g OTM loads for hunting things you intend to eat, while these are heavy and are sometimes marketed as "Hollow Points", the primary purpose of these rounds is to yaw and fragment even more violently than FMJ does.

I'd recommend these,

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900402682/winchester-super-x-ammunition-223-remington-64-grain-power-point

And these for hog or deer

https://www.triadtactical.com/Black-Hills-New-5.56mm-70gr-GMX.html

First time hunter here, I just got some of the Winchester 64gr power points yesterday. I'm gonna be using an 18in 1 in 7 twist AR. Should this be fine for whitetails in northwest AR? I likely won't be shooting past 70 yards.

>>32027502
>>32027554
>>32027571
The same fag appears to be equating the ballistics of a .30-30 to a .30-06

>>32029537
I can assure, especialy in northern MI, lots of deer are taken with ar's

>>32032163
This is true, Upper Peninsula deer are quite small and starving.

But honestly man I think there gets to be a point where the standard sized deer starts to be larger than what I'd want to bodyshot with a 5.56.

I really don't think 5.56 is ideal fo deer in Michigan at all actually, but I'm sure it works.

I mean, .22 LR works, but its not going to be ethical unless you're an awesome shot.

>>32025042
I want you to really think about the fact that 5.56 was specifically designed to kill 160-200 pound mammals inside 400 yards.

I've taken three deer and two hogs with the .223. I affirm that it is a capable enough round for medium sized game so long as one realizes what a razor thin margin it leaves for shooter error.

Both hogs were taken with a shot behind the ear (quartering away, two deer were shot behind (not through, quartering away) the shoulder, and one was shot in the upper spinal column (straight on).

So long as you have the discipline to become intimately familiar with where the softest parts of whatever you're shooting are and to have the patience and skill to take shots at those areas only within reasonable ranges and only when the tougher parts of the animal are not between you and the soft parts, a .223 will do the job.

The rifle was an old Winchester model 70 with the stock cut down. The bullet was a Barnes X triple shock.

>>32027416
>>32025042
>>32025200
>>32025314
I hypothetically might have possibly dropped a durr ~10 years ago with a single .22lr spine shot.
Shot placement is king.

>>32032421
Of course you have

>>32032428
More common than you'd think my dude.

>>32025053
Why?

Dealing with brush?


There is a huge market for overkill rounds in hunting. 5.56 is fine for durr.

>>32030591
a glass is really good for varmint hunting, especially if you plan on taking shots over 100 yards
doing it with irons is possible, and i'm sure guys do it; but having some scope makes everything a lot easier

>>32031251
Thanks, I'll watch some videos and see if I can learn more. Appreciate the starting points

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>>32032810

i hunt deer with .223 all the fucking time, even with a 16 in AR. use soft point ammo and dont fuck up your shot placement and youll drop them every time.

>>32032306
I question your michigan creds if you equate northern michigan with the up. Clearly your not spending much time here. Northern michigan is claire on up to the bridge.

(Check out the buck pole on the tip of the mitt qdma page. Those arent starving deer)

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>>32027584
>fudd lore
kek

>>32029537
>In Florida, the deer I see are perfectly sized for .223/5.56.
>In Michigan, where I live in the Summer

Fucking snowbird.

>>32034169
>>32033283
Non native. Yoopers dont even call the you pee northern michigan. Probably some faggot from ohio who missed out on the fact he cant drive and is a faggot

>>32025042
Adequate for Texas White tail I hunt. I'm actually picking up a Mossberg MVP Predator in .223 so I can use my AR mags.
I also took down a 180lb buck couple of years ago with my 14.5 socom barrel AR. The way I see it is if it works on hogs it works on the durr. And to those bitching about the animal suffering, go have a word with bow hunters. That's suffering. With good shot placement a .223 will kill it just as dead as a .308 will kill it. Just don't miss.

>>32025042
check your local hunting laws

>>32032493
some places don't allow anything smaller than .23 for big game

alberta for example, but ar's aren't allowed for hunting in canada

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>>32033283
I find it incredibly hard to believe that there are deer that are small enough to justify the use of .223 on in Northern Michigan, so I was providing an example of deer that I know for a fact are small, which happen to be the ones I take by my property near Paradise. If you consider 160+ pound deer the propper target for .223 to the lungs/heart then wew lad

>>32034204
Fuck ohio

>>32034169
I live full time in Florida, you're all just poorfags without multiple homes.

>>32037000
A 160lbs deer is harder to kill than a man?

I know people use the SKS for a deer rifle, and most people claim 5.56 has better wounding capabilities.

>>32025042
I'd have no qualms hunting the following with .223rem through a 16" AR:
>antelope
>most US whitetail
>Cou's whitetail
>blacktail/sitka
>caribou
>black bears that don't share grizzly territory
When you throw in alt-calibers that fit in an AR such as .300blk supers and 6.5gren I'd be comfortable hunting elk at close range and most of the sheep/goats.

>>32039153
You don't shoot deer 5+ times to ensure rapid death though.

You realistically get one shot, and if taking it at the heart and lung region you want round that offers a large chance of destroying the vitals even when going through shoulderblade or ribs.

5.56, to be honest, doesn't really offer that. The deer will almost certainly die, but now were talking Bow Hunting Tier tracking because its going to be up and about for a while.

>>32037000
>5.56 with military ball has been killing the shit out of 200lb(+) people in military and police hands for 50 years
>military ball is a demonstrably inferior killer than bonded softpoints or monolithic hollowpoints across all distances and velocities
Nigga...

>>32039189
The deer also isn't trying to shoot/stab you back, and is ideally totally unaware of your presence.

And a bonded softpoint of 55gr or heavier will absolutely penetrate the shoulderblade or ribs out to around 200 yards from a 16" barrel.

>>32039189
>implying that deaths in humans from 5.56 are from 5+ shots

Another genius chimes in.

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>>32039196
My AR is a 20". Would it help much?

>>32039377

you completely missed the point of his post, noguns

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Quick question, I'm going hunting for the first time soon. I've shot my rifle maybe 50 times at the range and I'm more than comfortable with it and my groupings are on point. Now I was told by an instructor that you're supposed to keep looking through the scope after you take your shot, which I do. However due to the recoil the scope naturally moves a whole lot and when I take a shot it's always off the target afterwards (at a 100 meters or so). It takes me about a second or two to readjust and get back on target. Is this fine or am I doing something wrong? As far as I can tell everything I do is correct, my breathing, stance, rifle support, etc.

>Pic related my Yugo raifu

>>32039189
......... no

>>32039377
A human doesn't suddenly start sprinting through a forest like a bat out of hell when you shoot it.

A deer does, you will only ever get ONE shot at a deer because unless you drop it with that first shot it runs like hell.

>>32039551
>Would it help much?
A little bit, M193 was designed for 20" barrels IIRC.

Depends on your twist rate, though.

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I was going to take this deer hunding next year here in az.
>they are small deer.

>>32027554
>3006
>125gr

Go big or go home.

>>32025042

I'm going to start hunting mule deer next year with my AR. Everything I've read says it's perfectly adequate for deer.

You'll want a heavier grain bullet. I'm going to load some 70 grain barnes TSX with BLC2. gonna max out the powder grain which will put it around 2500FPS. on ar15.com there's a very long thread on the subject. Lots of talk of lungs/heart getting completely liquefied and deer dropping in their tracks. With the right shot of course.

>>32039554
>>32040779
I didnt miss the point of your post samefag and I think your perception of automatic weapons fire and combat casualties is pretty fucked.