Redpill me on body armor. I went to a store to get fitted today

From what I recall, police uniforms are pre-fitted for kevlar to fit under their shirts which is why it seems to blend so well. Not sure as far as what they wear exactly but department to department is usually the case.

https://www.chasetactical.com/shop/warrior-assault-systems-covert-plate-carrier-mk1/

>>32022589
IIIA is the standard among law enforcement. i can honestly say ive never spoken to anyone in any other agency that has been issued anything below IIIA

>>32022650
>SAPI plates

My sides.

No literally, my sides need to be covered.

As a firefighter we just got lvl 4 plate carriers ..... bahahahahahah. Don't shoot me fire!!

>>32022589
what if they shoot you in the face?

>>32022684
Everyone at my academy recommended level II. I've tried IIIa and they're considerably less comfy (makes a typical cross draw difficult). Might not be a big deal to some but if you're planning on wearing it often or everyday it's a different story.

Pls respond

>>32023008
Only a handful of IIIA BALCS inserts are under 1/4 an inch.All of them are dyneema This is the lightest and thinnest you can go without spending thousands.

http://stealtharmorsystems.com/products/qc-factor-3

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>>32023186
I can also confirm on it's comfort since I own a set.

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>>32023207
What is this, armor for Australians?

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>>32023219

iiia is standard. its what I own, they fit according to your suit size.

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>>32023227
Fucking kangaroo shitposters, I swear

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>>32023219
no having photos that appear normal and post upside down on 4chan gets old. Worst part is you can never tell until it's far too late.

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>>32022694

Not really. Not if you know what your doing.

>>32022715
You must be in chicago... or Afghanistan

What's the going rate for body armor?

>>32023230
>stopping .44 magnum is standard
>level II's can only stop .357 magnum that's not enough guys seriously

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>>32023328
depends on your budget. But you need at least 600.00 shekels for a decent concealed system.Rifle panels cost will depend on how many back problems you want later on.To include how much you can afford while also knowing where to look. Expect to pay 415 + 39 for shipping for a set of decent level 3 stand alone ARMA NORWEGIAN plates .http://www.ebay.com/itm/Level-III-SiC-Dyneema-bulletproof-armour-plate-M16-AK47-10x12-inch-2-plates-/222181199625?hash=item33bb080f09:g:1PkAAOSwn8FXRpcY

>>32023295
SAPIshit is an excuse to sell "universal" size armor on the internet. People that actually need their armor get fitted and have a custom fit set made, that does indeed cover the sides and may also have stab coverage on said sides.

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>>32023421
This

>>32023386
IIIA works for shotguns too

>>32022734

Then you teleport behind them and kill them.

>>32023468
>>32022589
A chart to explain protection levels for soft armor. Note that nij 06 include .357 sig for minimum testing standard instead of 9mm.

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>>32023517

>>32022589
>redpill
You have to go back

For confrontations with a criminal or armed intruder, level 2 is generally fine and much more concealable than rigid body armor. If you're concerned about rifles, level 3 or 4 is needed. It's unlikely a criminal would have anything more powerful than a .357 mag. If they have a .357 they likely won't buy the high quality full power loads. Even if they do, NIJ lvl2 is sufficient.

>>32022734
that's a risk you should be willing to take.

>>32023421
>>32023436

same fag

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>>32023521 #
There's a key for that you know.

This chart suggests that level 2a stops 00 buck and level 2 stops 44mag. Is this correct?

>>32023421
>People that actually need their armor get fitted
That's why there's different SAPI sizes.
> that does indeed cover the sides
Side plates for rifle rounds, BALCS cut soft armor for pistol.
>and may also have stab coverage on said sides.
Full retard. A cop may face both handguns and knives, but no one is going to be facing rifles and knives.

Armor isn't some weightless magical entity that will deflect bullets.

>>32022758
>My academy
>Cross draw... "typical"
>Level IIA

You go to a shit academy that gives your shit, out of date armor and teaches you shit techniques

>>32023951
Crossdraw is shit, IIIA only provides marginal benefits for the amount of bulk over II.

>>32023951
You can't carry your taser on your gun side, that my friend would be a shit technique as you may draw the wrong thing. I only used that movement as an example of how difficult it is to maneuver in those things.

>>32022715
The postal service has a NSN for plate carriers. Did you miss the various shootings involving fake 911 Calls where the shooter baited first responders then lit them up?

>>32023935
>Full retard. A cop may face both handguns and knives, but no one is going to be facing rifles and knives.

Yeah, cause they really have time to choose right..

>>32024925
>people calling 911 just to shoot whoever shows up

source needed, haven't heard of this

>>32022734
what if they miss your face and shoot you in the chest?

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I'm thinking of getting this safeguard ghost. Seems too cheap to be good, anyone have experience with them?

>>32022734
*its a hologram*

Can anyone explain why I shouldn't just spend top dollar and get class 4 armor? Is its only detriment that it's heavier than 3a? (Not discounting that as a consideration, just asking.)

>>32023215
>>32023207
>Strike Face Class IV
>Threat Level 3-A
I'm so fucking confused. Is it class 3a or 4? 3a with a confusing branding, I assume?

>>32023328
In central Florida, $300 dollarydoos for one class 4 armor plate.

Keep in mind you're going to want to replace them every 5 years or so because they degrade over time.

>>32023528
>http://stealtharmorsystems.com/products/qc-factor-3
down at the mall we regularly encounter asian gangs using rifles chambered in .338 lapua, so level 4 is necessary for me and my girlfriend.

>>32028306
Did you save the anal virginity of the mayor's nephew yet?

>>32027821
If it's uncomfy as fuck you are less likely to wear it often, that's what i've been told

>>32028306
These asian gangs sound cool, how do I join one?

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>>32028478
>geckopost
Niiiice

>>32022589
As a police officer, my current unit uses concealable vests with stab plates. My last unit used some pretty nice outer vests though.

Depends really on application and usage, m8.

>>32023215
why haven't you killed yourself yet pham

>>32027821
>Can anyone explain why I shouldn't just spend top dollar and get (ARMOR THAT STOPS ARMOR PIERCING RIFLE ROUNDS)? Is its only detriment that it's heavier than (ARMOR THAT ONLY STOPS SMALL PISTOL CALIBERS AN DOESNT DO SHIT AGAINST RIFLE CALIBERS)

Nah bro, save the weight and get the less capable stuff for the almost identical money. There are actually very, very few rifles in the country- the nra just inflates the numbers by a few million. Your chances of ever even seeing a rifle in real life, let alone being shot by one, are incredibly rare

>>32029730
Weapons: Offenders used firearms to kill 46 of the 51 victim officers. Of these 46 officers, 33 were slain with handguns, 10 with rifles, and three with shotguns. Four officers were killed with vehicles used as weapons, and one was killed with personal weapons such as hands, fists, or feet.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2014-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted

>>32029768
I know dude I'm already agreeing with you

It's far more likely that if you're in a dire enough situation with active shooters aiming for you as an obviously armed and armored target its probably gonna be with a pistol. Especially if fantasy hits the fan, pistols will be everywhere. Don't you even stalker bro?

>>32022734

>not wearing a level 3 turtleneck

Do you even operate, faggot?

>>32024925
Do you know the NSN? I kinda want to see what kind of carrier they use

>>32023604
Ofcourse he is same fagging, this faggot has been doing it in almost every gear related thread

Guys I bought some cheap level iiia panels from bodyarmor mega-store. Did I fuck up?

>>32023239
>not protective against pointed instruments
welp all the bongs will die to the first cah with a butter knife

>>32022715
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
The tear gas started a fire, the fire dept went in to control it, and MOVE opened fire on them in 1979(iirc) shit happens.
These guys are probably why, and with the influx of violent demonstrations. As an emt if riots start happening around me I'm gonna wear my slick PC under my uniform.

>>32031266
The article clearly states the fire department didn't do anything as 65 homes burned

>>32031417
The first incident you nigger. There were two incidents that happened a few years apart. The bombing one was in the 80s, the first one was in the late 70s.

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>>32022734
Then you headbutt them into submission

>>32024038
Learn to be ambidextrous

>>32022694
get side plates then

>>32024987
>set fire
>wait for FD to show
>shoot them
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/24/webster-new-york-firefighter-shot/1788917/

>>32033097
They don't go up high enough and I've never seen a concealable sapi carrier that has side panel pockets. Also you don't get shoulder coverage. SAPIshit is garbage when it comes to soft armor, I understand the purpose of universal plates for hard armor but it's full retard for soft. Again, it's only a thing because they can sell universally sized plates online.

>>32033011
Ok then I go to do literally anything else where I have to reach over or use two hands out in front of myself and it's difficult. We have to apprehended non-compliant pissed off people sometimes you know. Ever tried to put cuffs on someone other than your boyfriend?

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>>32029730

Im a cop south of chicago and we are issued Point Blank Vision LvL II vests... they cost about $1300. Its super lightweight and comfortable also.

The thing with kevlar now and days is that theyre so advanced rhat although its rated for level II threats, itll stop most level IIIa type shit too... it just cant guarantee it for liability reasons. Expensive vests like mine go through pretty harsh simulated wear and can stop rated threats even afterward.

Hope that helps

>>32036751
Also, I carry level IV plates for high risk and active shooter shit.. if youre caught in a gun battle with somewhere who you need more than level II to save you, youre in the wrong place homie.

>>32022684
Las Vegas strip Security bro here, lvl 2 is what we're issued, with a single trauma plate. They allow us to get our own, but thwy provide that for free.