Provided you are a country of poorfags, would 1000 upgraded T-72

>>31995503
Yes

>>31995503
Yes

>>31995503
pretty much, yeah. now all you need to do is train your crews to non-arab levels

>>31995648
>>31995657
OK then.

It's what I do if I start a new nationalist white pride country.

Considering Russia is still perfectly happy operating vast numbers of T72B3, you would have one of the worlds best tank forces.

Then again, even if Saddams T-72s in 1991 weren't the budget models, they still would have been annihilated because everything else, like; training, commanders, air defences, combined arms support, military intelligence were all bad compared to the US coalition.

If your opponent has uncontested airspace, your tanks will have a bad time.

>>31996072
I'm not looking for war with Russia, US or China no.

Just want to have a sizeable tank force to protect my border.

Also, what's the western equivalence of the T-72? I heard Patton fucking sucks.

>>31996087
We could have upgraded the Patton more than we did, but we let it stay shit so we could fund the development of the M1.

>>31995503
One day those will be drones, used as cover for infantry. The turret, the cannon will be controlled from the outside.
The parent tonk will be protected by them.

>>31996111
Didn't the Israeli make Super patton or was that the Sherman?

Either ways, if there's no western equivalence, I might have to buy T72.

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>>31995503
Poorfag Azns in Southeast Asia make do with Pattons.

>>31996087
Leopard 2a4/M1A1 should be T72B equivalents, regardless of American posters that will flood out of the fucking woodworks the second someone says their precious MBT isn't all that good.

>>31996264
Well, damn, that's a pretty massive difference in pricing.

>>31996257
That is only Thailand

Of the Non-Commie Poor Seasians, Burma rides in Chinese shit, Indonesia has German Leopards and French AMXs, Malaysia has old Polack Tanks, while the Philippines saw no sense for an mbt in mountainous jungle islands and opted out of the expense of using tanks entirely by the 70s.

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You could also buy surplus tanks from Japan and help start a domestic defense industry with upkeep and improvements.

>>31996294
Japan cannot export tanks or any other weapons for that matter.

>>31996294
Makes sense but I think nothing can beat T72 in price and part availability.

>>31995503
Nahh with that money better buy better 300 T-90's or Leopard 2A4/A5

>>31995503
I would argue that M60A3's would be a better option.
If they T-72s could be upgraded with thermals then maybe.

>>31996310
Are 300 T-90 gonna beat 1000 T-72?

>>31996244
Israeli's have a Magach which is an upgraded M60.
Mostly ERA added and machineguns slapped on it.
Super shermans are just regular M4s with a french 105mm gun.

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>>31996305
Well that sucks

>>31996309
Yeah you're probably right

>>31996327
At least the T-90 has thermals, and better protection against KE penetrators as well as ATGMS.
I think if you had the option between 300 T-90s vs 1000 T72s it would be safest to go with the T-90. That is unless the T72 is a B3 variant or something decent.

Which African Dictator are you OP?

>>31996309
IIRC a M60 is cheaper than a T-72 ural.

>>31996287
>while the Philippines saw no sense for an mbt in mountainous jungle islands and opted out of the expense of using tanks entirely by the 70s.
Lol, they'r just poor.

>>31996362
Of course, we're talking about upgraded, modernized T72 like the one in Russia or Poland.

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>>31996375
Not in the 70's and 60's they weren't.

There's just literally no way you can use a tank sensibly in the Philippines. The last tanks to serve there were all light tank models and not MBTs.

>>31996383
Sure you can. You can use light tanks reliably if you're smart enough.

If you can a ford it buy challanger 1s. Sure, the 2 is far better, but the 1 is still vastly superior to the T72 or M1 Abrams.

*afford
Sorry, I'm on my phone

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>>31996383
Nah, it was a shitty combo of
>1) deescalation (Philippine's worst threat are local insurgents. China won't do shit.)
>2) Declining economy.
>3) Fucking dictator and his cronies stealing government funds.
>4) Tanks make no sense in the Philippines.
That led to the devolution of the Philippine armed forces and the outright disposal of Tank usage in favor of mobile gun platforms and armored scout vehicles.

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>>31996282
>get curious
>google leopard 2A4 costs
>in 2009, Finland got 15 tanks for $15

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>>31996487

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>>31996487
>>31996888
Was a gift to our Suomi bros, because the Army lowered the number of Leos and so we gave them for spare parts

>>31996931
We recently bought a 100 more from the Dutch for dirt cheap cause they think they don't need any MBTs whatsoever

>>31996970
100 Leopard 2A6 for 200 million euros to be exact. Good deal.

>>31995503
Hell yes, absolutely a great deal.

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>>31995503
No.
Only 500 k2 black panthers will do.

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>>31997016
>we passed up the deal to buy those Leopards and CV90s and now we're buying 88 Boxers for 500mil

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>>31997092
tbf, leopards probably would have a much more expensive upkeep, plus if you have a tank force, you need to defend it or support it. Not just infantry, but APC's and shit, which we dont have. Getting tanks + APC's at once would be very costly not only on maintenance, but also on training.

>>31995503
If you're a poorfag country, how the fuck are you going to afford to maintain/arm/refuel a thousand of these things? Technicals and guys riding them with RPGs would be much better for a poorfag nation

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T72B3's aren't cheap or bad.

If you can afford a thousand T72B3's in peacetime, you must have one of the largest and richest countries on earth, and you'll become one of the best-equipped.

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>>31997132
Lietuvis?

We could have bought like 50 of them and those 44 CV9035s the Estonians got. Those Boxers aren't a good purchase considering we got the gimped version.

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>>31997194
>Lietuvis?
Kur?

>We could have bought like 50 of them and those 44 CV9035s the Estonians got. Those Boxers aren't a good purchase considering we got the gimped version.

Aint arguing with that. I am trying to find the good side on this, though. We will have experience with armored vechicles now. We will have people trained in them. The boxer platform can be upgraded. In the far future, maybe we will make a better purchase.

Hope is still alive.

>>31997194
>gimped version
elaborate. the worst version imo is the one we germans sue with a RWS, and thats it

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>>31997222
>The Boxers are to be equipped with 30mm MkII guns and anti-tank system Spike-Lr, both manufactured by Israeli companies, the sources said.

We replaced the boxer default turret with some less armored jewish one, but it has a rocket launcher on the side, so dunno. Its shown in the pic of >>31997194

>>31995503
Just don't take the god forsaken monkey models and you'll have a yes

>>31997222
You have IFVs, though

>>31997220
Nesu dar matęs nė vieno lietuvio /k/. Taip domiesi ginklais ar užsiėmi kokia veikla?

That'll be an expensive lesson is what I'm saying. But it's good to see that we're finally upgrading our hardware. But it's also a shame we chose wheeled IFVs. Why not tracked? What was the decision behind this?

>>31997162
Unless the country buys a thousand of them, mothballs like 700 to cannibalize for spare parts, and only actually fields 300 in combat.

>>31997286

1) That's retarded. Kill yourself, autismo.

2) 300 T72B3's is still better than 99% of the world's armies.

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>>31997261
>Nesu dar matęs nė vieno lietuvio /k/. Taip domiesi ginklais ar užsiėmi kokia veikla?

Jeigu turėčiau pinigų, gal ir domėčiausi ginklais rimčiau, bet šiaip karts nuo karto /k/ aplankau, nes domina kariuomenė, karai ir pnš.

>Why not tracked? What was the decision behind this?

I dont know. I can only tell you what I imagine.
Consider the terrain of Lithuania. Consider that Lithuania is in europe. Consider that Lithuania has a pretty good infrastructure even compared to its neighbours.

Easier to transport, easier to maneuver with. Hills, plains and forests.

I personally dont think wheels are a bad choice.

>>31997309
Lithuania is a small country. All the bogs and soft agricultural fields are a problem for wheeled vehicles.

>>31997300
Why is that retarded?

>>31997309

wheels are for expeditionary forces

>>31997337

You're not actually having a discussion with me, you're just sperging out and saying literally anything you can so that you're "right".

>if you buy 1,000 tanks you will have a lot of tanks
>BUT WHAT IF YOU BOUGHT A THOUSAND AND THEN ONLY HAD 300?

Literally end your life right now, your kind of "person" is not necessary for civilization.

>>31997337
Because if you can buy 1000 T-72 to run 300 you can afford to build a maintenance center and spare parts without having to resort to cannibalizing.

>>31997334
>All the bogs
We dont have as much bogs as we used to, thanks to the soviets. They dried out shitloads of them.

>soft agricultural fields
Maybe.

>>31997344
>wheels are for expeditionary forces
That too, maybe.

Lithuania is indeed small, but not too small. In the case Lithuania gets swallowed as whole, I imagine the lithuanian army would still be fighting in the ranks of its allies, as much as possible. So maybe wheeled vehicles are easier to achieve that.

>>31997352
I hadn't actually thought of it that way.

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>>31995503
what T-72?
T-72 Ural
T-72A
T-72M1
or T-72B

it will come cheap if you upgrading tank from your stock.

but if you got no T-72 to begin with, just buy better stuff like Leopard 2A6 or T-90S

>>31996970
It seems like the Oranjes want to integrate their land forces into the Bundeswehr, and also increase joint Navy operations. We recently even got tan additional battalion which is 1/4 Dutch but using only German tanks which are rented by the Dutch

>>31997350
Nigga calm your tits.

>>31995503
Go to bed Kim

>>31995668
/pol/ pls go and stay go

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>>31997976
You're welcome

>>31995503
It will be enought for 3-4 years of civil war. Look on tank losses in Syria, numbers are devastating.

M84 version of this tank has a better gyroscope.

>>31998274
That's more to do with a terrible military which never trained their tankers for maneuvers/urban warfare, and employed them idiotically.
Had the Syrians been more intelligent in their use, they'd have lasted longer.

>>31998339
>country of poorfags
You WILL have terrible military.

>>31995668
>white nationalist country
>using slav and mongol invented armor
Yuck, buy western armor or invent your own, its not the hardest in the world.

FFS, borderline non white Italy and mudslime Brazil made their own tanks.

>>31997976
Nope.
>>31998957
Tanks are tanks, what matter is the cost & logistics.

>>31998383
Not every poorfag country has a terrible army.

It's all about discipline and will to fight.

>>31997060
aren't K2s just leopards with more cool ADS shit slapped on

>>31995503

1000 upgraded T72 would make you one of the strongest armored force in the world.
Most states barely top the 300 MBTs