http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/1 3/at-800k-pop-new-navy-d

>>31993449
does it shoot goldbars?

>>31993463
That would be a lot cheaper.

>>31993463

I believe the shell casing is made of solid platinum with Tiffany diamonds while the penetration is Martian steel

>>31993449

Article sums it up pretty well. It takes so much money to design and produce the shells, and when you reduce the number of Zumwalts from 32 to 3, you need to recomp that loss somehow.

Research is expensive, and someone has to pay for it. You don't expect LHM to say "oh, don't worry, we got the tab this time on the shells for the 29 other ships you didn't build." So of course they mark up the price of the existing shells.

If all 32 were built, the shells would be going for much less. At $80,000 a round, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

>>31993505
Its not just that, they built the tooling and everything, facilities to shit out hundreds of thousands of these rounds, and the USN goes "LOL WE JUST WANT 1K".

That cost does not dissappear.

If based trump orders more zums it will fix itself.

>>31993549

we can afford 100 of the fucking things if we cut our liabilities under social security and medicare

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$800k per round (really a missile) is twice what they actually cost.

You have fallen for a regurgitation of clickbait that took the price of everything LRLAP related in FY2015 and divided it by the 150 rounds that were purchased. And then rounded up.

>>31993628

>DoD shill on /k/

get back to pushing your papers Schlomo

I think this is the fift time this tread/link has been posted at this point

>>31993639
>Fuck I can't argue with someone who has facts.
>I know! Call him a shill and I win!

>>31993449
>DEFENSE
Ahahahahaha
America does not do defense.

>>31994783
The best defense is a good offense.

>>31993579
>Fuck health care more dakka plox

Are you from fucking North Korea

>>31993481
Kek, what the fuck is wrong with you, burgers?

Are you preparing to fight aliens with titanium made spaceships?
Reduce your military budget by 50% and you'd still have the biggest military budget in the world and have enough money to make college titution for free

>>31993628
>>31993664

Ok, let's see those facts of yours.

>>31993579

>screw over a large portion of the population just so we can have more cool toot-toot shoot-shoots

>>31995027
That money is to maintain our fuckhueg military.

>>31995036
Why not? Those rounds probably do more for the nation the 90% of our citizens.

>>31995027
>implying the united states isnt fighting a secret war against lovecraftian beings from the sea
>implying china isnt trying to steal the secrets of the old ones from the south china sea

>>31995088
>what is economy

>>31995088
This is the kind of logic I saw flying around in the Bush years. Incredible.

>>31993579
Or, if, we bought one less F35.

>>31993505
What the hell is a Zumwalt?

>>31993449
How much money would it cost to fire that weapon for 12 seconds?

>>31995423
>turns out the firerate is like a round per minute

>>31995117
kek

cluthulu ftagen

>>31995030
Look up the unit cost of the 150 rounds bought in FY2015.

I do not get the outrage.

Compare it to others. The Russian Kalibr missile costs 1 Mllion dollars per missile, the Zumwalt ammo costs less, has a better quality assurance and is generally considered unstoppable within range.

The Chinese DF-21 does not have the fire to kill ratio that the ammo will get once it begins hitting targets.

All this outrage is just bandwagoning by people who do not know the necessity of companies like Lockheed Martin

>>31995855
>Missile vs RAP.
Missiles are better.

>>31995088
>Those rounds probably do more for the nation the 90% of our citizens.
That is incredibly cynical and stupid
If you want to make America "great again", you should make an educated and intelligent American people

>>31993449
In the budget project it is just 400000. Relax.

>>31995914
What, like those college liberals who vote for Hillary?

Nah, intelligent yes, but education is not part of it.

>>31995855
>generally considered unstoppable within range.
Zumwalt ammo is glider, pretty sure it is subsonic near target and basically has no survivability enhancing features.

>>31995923
I dont see why you right wingers have this malicious idea that higher education is something evil. Why do you think America's best scientists and researchers are all immigrants these days? Why are grad schools flooded with foreigners and have hardly any trueborn Americans attending? Just look at MIT. There's culture of anti-intellectualism that will hurt your population in the long run. A better educated populace is one that is more able to create, innovate, and produce things beneficial to said society.
Lemme dumb it down for you
An uncultured and uneducated fool is more likely to remain uncultured and uneducated and is easier to control and placate. This is your deadweight loss, and that is a representative of the average American currently. A smarter populace is one that can excel in the fields of arts and science. They would create more jobs and research, and make more jets and bombs that you guys like so much.
How can Cletus get out of the trailer park if he has no chance of getting a degree and studying engineering?

>>31995983
Please don't misuse the word deadweight loss. It triggers me. Other than that, I do not disagree.

>>31995983
Spare me the fucking lecture.

When you realize Trump voters are uneducated AND rich and understand more issues than the average Hillary voter, you realize how hogwash "higher education" is.

Protip: You learn through experiences, not through education.

>>31995983
>Why do you think America's best scientists and researchers are all immigrants these days? Why are grad schools flooded with foreigners and have hardly any trueborn Americans attending? Just look at MIT.
And these immigrants should get the fuck out of America.

They aren't americans.

>>31995935
Fuckin told you fags that gliders are awesome.

>>31995983
>I dont see why you right wingers have this malicious idea that higher education is something evil.

Probably because the vast majority of domestic college students do not go for STEM fields and instead go for retarded degrees that essentially amount to a certificate saying you were in adult day care for 4 years or have degrees that are only good for perpetuating more and more degrees. You don't have to be right wing to see that

>>31995994
Lel
But seriously, America has some of the best universities in the world. But a majority of students are foreigners, just look at MIT and all you see are chinks at like 70%. The rest are other foreigners and just a few American born students. You know what America's modus operandi has been for the past few decades?
>have amazing universities
>foreigners come in and flood these universities
>usually excel because they have a culture of discipline and hard work, and they are far from home so have little else to do than study (they paid to come all this way, I don't think they're gonna piss their money away)
>contribute a lot to their respective fields
>either they continue studying and working in the US or pack up and go home with their knowledge
If they performed well in university, contributed, and find work (which shouldn't be too hard for them given lack of competition) America snatches them up and naturalizes them or at least gives them residency. They come in and study and stay and benefit from becoming American. But with strict immigration policies, instead of staying in the US, they'll pack up and go home and spread their knowledge back wherever they came from. I don't need to explain to you why this would be disastrous for America. But imagine all these Eastern Europeans and Asians who have just gotten an MIT education going back to use that knowledge in their home countries.

Either America starts educating its populace and having its kids become top performers again, or let the foreigners become Americans and dont let that knowledge fall into American hands.

America won't fall because of a weak military, but because of a dumb populace and of a rival nation that is smarter and more innovative.

>>31996084
Jesus christ, I hope we can deport you all parasites.
>America won't fall because of a weak military, but because of a dumb populace and of a rival nation that is smarter and more innovative.
Such as what? Russia isn't getting smarter, and neither is the chink.

All these immigrants go back and be a burden in their countries, shilling SJW shit.

>>31996038
That is a cultural issue. As it stands America's anti-intellectualism is its own bane. And I disagree that one field is necessarily exclusive of the other.

>>31996007
Tell me again why they agreed to bomb Agrabah. Regardless I'm not here to make generalized statements. Education is still paramount.

>>31996026
>chinese immigrant goes to grad school in the field of molecular physics
>discovers some fancy new wonder material
>kicked out of America
>goes back to China with knowledge of research
Congratulations the Chinese now know how to make a super nano-material that is a million times stronger than steel but at a tenth of the weight!

>>31996136
>Tell me again why they agreed to bomb Agrabah. Regardless I'm not here to make generalized statements. Education is still paramount.
Because they don't care what that country is, if that sounds Middle east, that is worth bombing.
>Congratulations the Chinese now know how to make a super nano-material that is a million times stronger than steel but at a tenth of the weight!
Oh, why doesn't the chink make 10 supercarriers by now then?

>>31996109
>Russia isn't getting smarter, and neither is the chink.
Chinks are getting much more involved in high end research, and a lot of American universities in the fields of physics, mathematics, and STEM come from Eastern Europe.
You can cover your ears and say
>BLA BLA BLA GOPNIK/FIDDYCENTER LIES
But that doesn't change the truth

>>31996156
I don't have to cover my ears, brah.

I'm a vatnik myself, but all the chinks do is stealing russian and american tech.

>and a lot of American universities in the fields of physics, mathematics, and STEM come from Eastern Europe.
Time to deport them then, the fuck are these niggas doing in America?

>>31996145
>Oh, why doesn't the chink make 10 supercarriers by now then?
That is an economic and time related issue. Because so far, America has been an atteactive country to immigrate to. And all the ones with the knowledge and experience who have been taught the relevant skills were given incentive by the government to stay in America and naturalize. And when they do they have restrictions on going back.
I have plenty of foreign friends that have come to study in the US and ended up working in NASA or DARPA or something. And they were given the chance to become American citizens. When they do, they are given every reason to stay, and if they work with a government agency they aren't even allowed to travel back sometimes.

>Because they don't care what that country is, if that sounds Middle east, that is worth bombing.
Do you want me to explain how stupid that is?

And besides this isnt just a military research issue. A more educated populace will be more able to create progress in all facets of human life, greatly increasing American living standards.

>>31996197
>That is an economic and time related issue.
Sound like your countries need dem smart people then.
>I have plenty of foreign friends that have come to study in the US and ended up working in NASA or DARPA or something. And they were given the chance to become American citizens. When they do, they are given every reason to stay, and if they work with a government agency they aren't even allowed to travel back sometimes.
Well, that should be changed, they should be deported back to their shithole countries.
>Do you want me to explain how stupid that is?
Oh please do because I don't give a shit.
>And besides this isnt just a military research issue. A more educated populace will be more able to create progress in all facets of human life, greatly increasing American living standards.
lol, city people live like rats, polluted fucking out of the ass. And the more immigrants come, the shittier the city becomes.

>>31996136
There is no anti-intellectualism, it's a meme propagated by the left who are upset that people have finally figured out that simply having a degree doesn't mean that you're intelligent or even know what you're talking about. The problem stemmed from years of leftists trying to push a cultural marxism agenda while trying to justify it with 'Experts say' and then when you look up whom those supposed experts are, you find that they have degrees in womens studies and other nonsense that has no bearing upon the real world.

>I disagree that one field is necessarily exclusive of the other.

Most people would agree that they don't need a self proclaimed expert to tell them that something is right when they can clearly see that it's wrong.

>Tell me again why they agreed to bomb Agrabah.

Probably why liberals will happily sign petitions supporting the banning of Dihydrogen Monoxide or to Nuke Russia to stay the worlds sole Super power. They're ignorant. To try and claim that ignorance somehow follows political lines is to be intellectually dishonest.

>>31996168
>Time to deport them then, the fuck are these niggas doing in America?
Think of it this way

You have a particular job market that is highly competitive and skilled. Suppose a lot of training is required to enter a job. Employers would typically take a trainee or an intern to train said employee before they start actual work. However, the employer wants to make sure the intern or trainee stays on board after their training so they give incentives or some contractual agreement that the intern would work for 'x' amount of time after they finish their training. Or else, the trainee would have been trained for nothing, the trainee could take their lessons to the employer's competitor and the employer would be poached. This is highly dangerous for the employer.

This is very much the case with our topic.

>>31996214
>simply having a degree doesn't mean that you're intelligent or even know what you're talking about.
That's fine and all but we're not talking about who can win a debate. The point is it's within America's best interest to have a population with more formally educated students to become scientists, researchers, etc.
If you want to argue that universities are Marxist havens that tend to raise shit eating hipsters who pay $200,000 for a degree in women's studies, so be it. But wouldn't you agree the US could do with more physicists and engineers?

>>31996247
The employer does not need them.

They are to be deported and to be replaced by local employees.

That's about it.

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>>31993449
Can it do a barrel roll?

>>31996214
Ignorance is cultural thing, regardless of political leanings.

Anyways, the discussion is far from finished but I must take my leave. Thank you for the relatively civilised debate.

>>31996255
Continue reading the post you're replying to and try again.

>>31996255
No, what the US need is more working class, workers, craftsmen, not more eggheads.

>>31996268
America's industrial age is done. We are past that stage friend. You can't turn back time. America would be better off with an egghead populace than a blue collar populace.

>>31996268
Depends on the type of egghead.

America always needs more physicists, computer scientists, and chemists. America doesn't need more gender studies majors.

>>31996289
>America would be better off with an egghead populace than a blue collar populace.
Oh fuck that shit, these eggheads don't do shit but make up money on software and live in rat hives. It's called California and it's nothing to be proud of.
>>31996290
Better eggheads, but are still inferior to a working class population.

>>31996303
eggheads landed on the moon, not plumbers

eggheads invented the atomic bomb, not carpenters

>>31996303
A smart worker is a better worker. One that is more technically skilled can give back more to the industry. One that is more knowledgeable with modern technology and operations.

>>31996303
I'm sure you're joking but if not you do realize that the the "eggheads" are the craftsmen of the new Millennium. Workers and craftsmen as you know them have been replaced.

>>31996328
>He was also an aerospace engineer, naval aviator, test pilot, and university professor. Before becoming an astronaut, Armstrong was an officer in the U.S. Navy and served in the Korean War.
No, a fucking sailor landed on the moon.
>eggheads invented the atomic bomb, not carpenters
And who build the atomic bombs, chump? Not eggheads.

>>31996303
>these eggheads don't do shit but make up money on software
Bro, everything is software. Everything we use in our daily lives is digitally integrated in some way. And for good reason. Software makes things much more efficient and quick. And advances in technology will only create more jobs.

>>31996331
As long as he works, as in physical and do not sit on computer all days pretending to work.
>>31996334
Yeah, they all craft fucking softwares.
>Workers and craftsmen as you know them have been replaced.
Not in America, no. Or anywhere else, really.

China relies on low-wage labors.

>>31996347
Not everything in my life is digitally integrated, and no it's not a fucking good reason.

It just means when the grid comes down, we all go down.

>>31996343
>a fucking sailor landed on the moon.
His piloting skills is what made him an astronaut

>And who build the atomic bombs, chump? Not eggheads
Machines and the eggheads controlling them
The very first nuclear weapon was made by university students and professors

I'm sorry man, I'm not anti-working class. I'm with you guys. But the old blue collar factory belt days are over. The working class needs to evolve with current technology. Automation can't do 100% of the work, you will always need a human to watch over. If you want to remain relevant you need to learn the technical skills that will allow you to work with these machines and to further improve upon them.

>>31996359
>As long as he works, as in physical and do not sit on computer all days pretending to work.
See, this is.what I meant by anti-intellectualism. What makes you think that programming and researching on a computer isn't work? Just because he isn't breaking his back shoveling shit and is instead working on a ground breaking piece of software? It's not like he's sitting around wanking to porn all day.

>Not everything in my life is digitally integrated, and no it's not a fucking good reason
You'd be surprised at how much of it is. And even if you live in a farm with no electricity, the rest of the world doesn't. America needs to keep up.

>It just means when the grid comes down, we all go down.
And when a meteor hits the earth, all that shit shoveling and wood cutting would be for nothing because we'd pretty much all be dead.

You shouldn't let fears of some potential danger keep you from moving forward, that will never get you anywhere.

>>31996343
>aerospace engineer
>university professor
Sounds like an egghead to me.

>>31995983
>mandatory courses about foreign history
>mandatory courses about arts and culture
>mandatory courses about human nature
Those trigger me like a tumblr SJW tard.
Why do they still bother with these bullshit after high school, you'd think they would get to the point and let you spent time on your actual fucking degree related subjects.
>everyone else is partying and drinking and fucking each other
>I am just here being a bitter faggot
I literally can't comprehend some life choices of americans even after being naturalized.

>>31996550
>Those trigger me like a tumblr SJW tard.
Why do they still bother with these bullshit after high school, you'd think they would get to the point and let you spent time on your actual fucking degree related subjects.
They might not be your interest, but they help give you a more well-rounded view of the world and of history. How could you have a good understanding of politics without understanding history? These all affect society as a whole at the end of the day. The famous geniuses of the Renaissance had knowledge over many subjects.

>I literally can't comprehend some life choices of americans even after being naturalized.
You need to make sacrafices to excel sometimes. But remember to lead a balanced life to be happy.

>>31996651
>How could you have a good understanding of politics without understanding history?
Why should either be mandatory for a degree in the natural sciences?

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>$20,000.00 for propellant

That's like $100-200 a pound.

They are getting ripped off.

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>>31995117

This.

>>31993579
Yeah, let's starve all the elderly and the miserable to death, who the fuck needs them?

>>31993449

They already cancelled this thing a month ago.

Why are you posting about it now?

>>31995415
The new stealth destroyer
It has railgun weaponry

>>31997174
>Let's kill literally every single nigger

Sounds like a great plan.

You go first.

>>31996343
>And who build the atomic bombs, chump? Not eggheads.
physics and engineers supervise the assembly every single step of the way, fuckboy

>>31994948
The welfare state is a net negative, save for Social Security. End it.

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Zumwalt program has wasted 22.5 Billion
Around 7.5 billion per ship.

An Arleigh Burke costs 1.843 billion even with 62 of them.

An Iowa in 1940 cost 1.689 billion in today's dollars.

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>>31997198

>Implying niggers and spics are the top receivers of welfare

On the bright side, it would kill most of the dumbfucks on the rust, bible and corn belt.

>>31996343
>And who build the atomic bombs, chump?
Eggheads do?
Los Alamos wasn't run by factory workers.

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>>31997258
>Demographic consisting of 72% of the country receives 40% of SNAP
>Demographic consisting of 12% of the country receives 26% of SNAP

>>31996343
>And who build the atomic bombs, chump? Not eggheads.

Damn dude you're fucking retarded.

>>31997034
>still talking out my ass

>>31993449
155 Millimeter FULL METAL JEWERY

(Only carries 70-100 of the long range land attack shells, carries 920 standard)

>>31997332

Ok then

Educate me

Why the fuck is it so expensive?

Its regular shell propellant right?

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Numbers may be wrong since I'm not sure how to read everything in the books.

In 2015, the army purchased 10,500 Modular Artillery Charge System (MACS) M232A1 for their 155mm canons. It has a unit cost of $363.24. The weight of each M232A1 is 5.85lb.
$62.09/lb
http://asafm.army.mil/Documents/OfficeDocuments/Budget/budgetmaterials/fy17/pforms//ammo.pdf#page=405&zoom=110,-70,618
https://acc.dau.mil/adl/en-US/441926/file/56987/MACS%20factsheet%201.pdf

As of 2012, the AGS cased propellent had a weight of 100lb and from >>31997034 has a unit cost of $18353.07 in 2015.
$183.53/lb
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012armaments/Wednesday14026jungquist.pdf#page=3&zoom=auto,-168,531

>>31998404
>the AGS cased propellent had a weight of 100l
>Chamber Volume 1,800 in3 (29.5 dm3)
Loading density 1.52 g/cm3. Kinda high. Doesn't they include case weight?

>>31997735
It's rocket propellant. These are rockets which are fired out of a gun. Remember how it cost $10,000 or so dollars per pound to send things to space? This is a fraction of that cost for a fraction of the range.

Oh, and it's solid fuel, instead of cheaper, more efficient liquid fuel oxidizer mixing, for obvious reasons. That makes it a bit more expensive.

>>31998537
um senpai, that number is including the cost of the launch vehicle along with the cost of things like launch pad rent, etc.

in fact the entire reason the falcon 9 is so important is that it has the capability to have it's lower stage reused, which saves a lot of money. propellant is a large cost but it's not that large in the grand scheme of things.

>>31998537
>>31998611

to use a metaphor: imagine how much it would cost to get a plane ticket or go on an ocean cruise if you had to get an entirely new plane/boat every time. tickets would cost millions.

this is also the reason for the high cost of the ammo, they have to recoup the money they're losing because of the reduced number of zumwalts.

>>31998632
>>31998611
True, I didn't consider that. Alright, we'll call it $1000/lb, sine that's what SpaceX is aiming for.

I completely approve of funding LRLAP.

Even if its only half as expensive as a Tomahawk, every LRLAP fired will basically pay for itself because it prevented a Tomahawk launch.

Naval artillery is underrated even with these bloated numbers.

And a Zumwalt can carry a ton of LRLAP shells.

>>31998773
So it costs half as much as a tomahawk, but a tomahawk delivers 1000 lbs payload.. and this thing delivers... 20 lbs?

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>>31998404

>that pic

Wasn't it supposed to be entirely contained under the deck?

Pic related.

>>31998790

It only matters depending on what you're shooting at.

Besides, I still think the cost per shell is exaggerated.

>>31996651
>a more well-rounded view of the world and of history.

Come on anon, you can't be serious. Unless you already know what you're looking for, the chances of you getting a 'well rounded' worldview in university humanities curricula are negligible. Your chances of learning things that will help you successfully and usefully interact with people unlike yourself are evn lower.

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>>31998537
I don't think that's right. Why would the charge used to fire the lrlap out of the ags be rocket propellant?

>>31996260
lmfao

>>31998790
The 5 inch gun version of LRLAP has a 'greater than' 28 pound warhead.

>>31993449

I really don't understand these ships.

Why only three?

It doesn't make sense.

I mean, of course making specialist ammunition for a class of ship that only has three members is going to be fucking expensive.

This ship seems like to had potential to really be something amazing. But they cancelled further orders to buy more Burkes instead. Why?

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>>32001352
Congress does not grasp economy of scale, and the new Burkes under construction came about long after the Zumwalt numbers were cut.

Even with only 3 ships they still qualify as something amazing.

>>31993505
Uhh...can't they just buy in bulk and have enough for the next 50 years?

>>31996368
"The grid"
"The Grid'
What's this magical grid you speak of that controls all software in the world?
There's more to software than just browsing 4chan, retard.

>>32001914
The electrical grid.

Software only exists where there's electricity.

>>31996438
>See, this is.what I meant by anti-intellectualism. What makes you think that programming and researching on a computer isn't work? Just because he isn't breaking his back shoveling shit and is instead working on a ground breaking piece of software? It's not like he's sitting around wanking to porn all day.
He's sitting around in a computer and doing jackshit all days, he's not inventing anything new.
>You'd be surprised at how much of it is. And even if you live in a farm with no electricity, the rest of the world doesn't.
Not really, the only digitally integrated things I use is computer and smartphone. Other things I don't really need.
>America needs to keep up.
With what? The rivals of America have even worse working conditions and literacy, the chinks live like absolute rats in a hive.
>And when a meteor hits the earth, all that shit shoveling and wood cutting would be for nothing because we'd pretty much all be dead.
Not really, even if a meteor hit, people would survive, they would just survive on old technology and have to do physical work again.

>>32001968
Not everything is tied to the electrical grid, and you'd need some super space magic to bring the entire US/Canada electrical grid down.

>>31996395
>His piloting skills is what made him an astronaut
Which makes him not an egghead since he's involved in actual physical work.
>Machines and the eggheads controlling them
No, it's the damn workers who make the nukes and maintain them, the eggheads just tell the workers what to do.
>I'm sorry man, I'm not anti-working class. I'm with you guys. But the old blue collar factory belt days are over. The working class needs to evolve with current technology.
This whole progress or die is bullshit.
We can keep the physical working class while improving technology, so we can a neo-agrarian/industrial society where humans live far and wide, and not a cosmopolitan liberal world where everyone is funneled into giant polluted cities.

>>32002004

>He's sitting around in a computer and doing jackshit all days, he's not inventing anything new.
Programmers invent new ways to take advantage of hardware, or to improve software. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
>>You'd be surprised at how much of it is. And even if you live in a farm with no electricity, the rest of the world doesn't.
Not really, the only digitally integrated things I use is computer and smartphone. Other things I don't really need
Does your house have electricity? Do you have a digital watch? Do you drive a car or take public transportation? Do you have a any home appliances made since the 80s? Do you have a TV? Do you ever go to the doctor? What power tools do you own? I could go on forever.
>
With what? The rivals of America have even worse working conditions and literacy, the chinks live like absolute rats in a hive.
Stagnation isn't something to strive for.
>Not really, even if a meteor hit, people would survive, they would just survive on old technology and have to do physical work again.
What prevents them from using new technology?

>>32002011
Every software needs electricity, and electricity can be taken away.

>and you'd need some super space magic to bring the entire US/Canada electrical grid down
Or just random people bombing electrical stations all over the country.

>>32002038
>Which makes him not an egghead since he's involved in actual physical work.
Piloting is all about your mind, far more than your body. Go take a look at any ASA textbook sometime.
>No, it's the damn workers who make the nukes and maintain them, the eggheads just tell the workers what to do.
And it's the "eggheads" who figure out how to create those nokes in the first place, and what it takes to maintain them.
>This whole progress or die is bullshit.
Your opinion. Technology has vastly improved our lives, even in the past few decades alone.
What did "eggheads" do to you to piss you off this badly?

>>32002071
How can electricity be taken away?
>and you'd need some super space magic to bring the entire US/Canada electrical grid down
Or just random people bombing electrical stations all over the country.
That can be repaired, and you'd need an awful lot of people to do any lasting damage. You're also ignoring that electricity comes from more sources besides power stations.

>>32002049
>Programmers invent new ways to take advantage of hardware, or to improve software. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
With modern day programmers? Nah, innovation has been slowed down for awhile, there's truly nothing new nowadays.
>Does your house have electricity? Do you have a digital watch? Do you drive a car or take public transportation? Do you have a any home appliances made since the 80s? Do you have a TV? Do you ever go to the doctor? What power tools do you own? I could go on forever.
I can make do with all of those, except electricity, most of my shit just require electricity to run, there's no digital output needed.
>Stagnation isn't something to strive for.
The world is stagnated.
>What prevents them from using new technology?
Lack of infrastructure.

>>32002078
>>32002078
>Piloting is all about your mind, far more than your body. Go take a look at any ASA textbook sometime.
The fuck nigger? It takes a well physique to be a pilot, this is why astronauts must be physicall well.
>And it's the "eggheads" who figure out how to create those nokes in the first place, and what it takes to maintain them.
And? Without these workers, these eggheads cannot maintain nukes by themselves.
>Your opinion. Technology has vastly improved our lives, even in the past few decades alone.
Technology is to be controlled and to be lead by humans, if we humans desire a future of neo-agragian/industrial, we can have that.
>What did "eggheads" do to you to piss you off this badly?
I hate intellectuals in general, bunch of snobs who don't do shit.

>>32002098
>How can electricity be taken away?
By bombing electrical sources, which are very vulnerable and out in plan sight.
>That can be repaired, and you'd need an awful lot of people to do any lasting damage. You're also ignoring that electricity comes from more sources besides power stations.
It takes about 30 men in each town/city to destroy the electrical grid in any town/city and cripples it. It is always faster to destroy than to build.

What matters is the will and mind to do.

>>31993449
>piss away taxpayers money on railgun meme
>recoup in a long run due to cheap ammo that cannot be intercepted by missiles or CIWS

>piss away taxpayers money on 155mm meme
>can't even ensure steady production

>>32002116
>With modern day programmers? Nah, innovation has been slowed down for awhile, there's truly nothing new nowadays.
Prove it, because that goes against everything I'm seeing happen right now.
>I can make do with all of those, except electricity, most of my shit just require electricity to run, there's no digital output needed
You're avoiding the question, which makes it look like your answer might go against what you originally said.
>The world is stagnated
So there's nothing happening anywhere?
>Lack of infrastructure.
Not all technology requires a central infrastructure to run. Furthermore, humans created that infrastructure, and they can create it again.
>The fuck nigger? It takes a well physique to be a pilot, this is why astronauts must be physicall well.
It takes an even better developed mind.
-t. Working on my PPL at this very moment
>And? Without these workers, these eggheads cannot maintain nukes by themselves.
And without the "eggheads," the nukes don't exist in the first place.
>Technology is to be controlled and to be lead by humans, if we humans desire a future of neo-agragian/industrial, we can have that.
Yes, humans can have an agrarian society, but that doesn't make progress "bullshit."
>I hate intellectuals in general, bunch of snobs who don't do shit.
he says, while wearing clothes made by a machine designed by intellectuals, powered by electricity harnessed by intellectuals, on a computer designed by intellectuals, built by machines designed by intellectuals, etc.
>>32002173
>By bombing electrical sources, which are very vulnerable and out in plan sight.
You're going to bomb the whole electrical grid?
What about personal generators?
Also
>Vulnerable
lmao, I assume you've never seen a nuclear power plant in your life.

You sound like some horribly retarded version of Ted Kaczynski mixed with Pol Pot.

>>31998790

>sending million dollar missiles to destroy targets worth less than a million makes zero financial sense either.

>>32002225
i'm not the guy you responded to but i thought i'd give you a go

>You're going to bomb the whole electrical grid?
No, just heavy duty power lines. If you hit those the grid will have a massive imbalance and there's a pretty good chance a small section of it will shut down until the line is put back up.

>personal generators
Do personal generators mean shit when most houses don't have them, and most businesses won't be able to continue operating without mains power?

Yeah sure police stations and hospitals will keep on running, but that doesn't really give much help when all businesses are in perpetual blackouts and nobody can access the internet or use their phones if power isn't brought back up after 12 hours or so.

>lmao, I assume you've never seen a nuclear power plant in your life.
I get the feeling he's not talking about hitting power stations, but more parts of the power network. Most substations and so on just have a few guards and a connection to the power utility (who will in some places call the cops or the feds if something goes down). Just pop over and put a few soviet surplus rounds into the thing like those guys in California did.

>>32002225
>Prove it, because that goes against everything I'm seeing happen right now.
I'm typing shit today and there's nothing new.
>You're avoiding the question, which makes it look like your answer might go against what you originally said.
I already said I can make do without of all of those.
>Not all technology requires a central infrastructure to run. Furthermore, humans created that infrastructure, and they can create it again.
Electricity and software pretty much require a central infrastructure to run, this is why liberal states are much more developed, infrastructure-wise, compared to rural states.
>It takes an even better developed mind.
Physique goes along with the body.
>And without the "eggheads," the nukes don't exist in the first place.
Without the nukes, the working class would find alternative ways to kill each other.
>Yes, humans can have an agrarian society, but that doesn't make progress "bullshit."
It's bullshit because you are implying there's only way to progress, and that is the educated people bullshit.
>he says, while wearing clothes made by a machine designed by intellectuals, powered by electricity harnessed by intellectuals, on a computer designed by intellectuals, built by machines designed by intellectuals, etc.
All of these are made and maintained by working class.
>You're going to bomb the whole electrical grid?
We are bombing the sources.
>lmao, I assume you've never seen a nuclear power plant in your life.
Nuclear power plant can be bombed all the same.

>It's another "Literally the only thing that matters in war is money" thread

What's a human life worth, /k/?

I want an EXACT dollar amount.

>>32002299
>Small sections
I agree with you. What the other guy is suggesting is that somehow, ALL electricity can be stopped by attacking powerplants. If he wasn't just trying to find a premise for his anti-egghead agrarian society, he'd bring up something like the 2003 power outage, where a small part of the grid was taken down.

>>31996651
>they help give you a more well-rounded view of the world and of history
If I want to learn about history I will read history books. Why should I have to pay through the nose for shit I can get at the library? I need that money to pay for classes that are important to getting my job.
>well-rounded
By whose metric?

>>31995027
>and have enough money to make college titution for free
I would literally rather have the government put that money into piles and light it on fire than that.

>>32002335
Oh I believe taking down the ENTIRE electrical grid (or so much of it that the only functional parts of the network are parts that can automatically separate from the entire thing and generate on their own) is possible, it just would be a plot 10x more complicated than 9/11 and would probably be the start of a rebellion, not the work of a lone actor.

>>32002335
That guy here, I'm talking about the power grid, which can be taken down with random people state-wise bombing the sources generating the electricity or the cables.

>>32002329
>There's nothing new
Prove that there's absolutely zero innovation happening.
>I already said I can make do without of all of those.
My question, in response to you saying that your only digital belongings were a phone and computer, was if you had any of those, not if you could make do.
>Electricity and software pretty much require a central infrastructure to run, this is why liberal states are much more developed, infrastructure-wise, compared to rural states.
Electricity and software don't require a central infrastructure to run. There's no central infrastructure that tells each piece of software in billions of devices if it can or cannot run. There's no central infrastructure that controls all sources of electricity.
>Physique goes along with the body.
No shit, but you need to be smart, or as you put it, an "egghead" to fly a plane. You need to be able to do math on the fly, you need to have good decision making skills, you need great decision making skills, among other things.
>Without the nukes, the working class would find alternative ways to kill each other.
No shit.
>It's bullshit because you are implying there's only way to progress, and that is the educated people bullshit.
"Educated people bullshit"
God forbid that people gain a better understand of something, and then try to improve it or innovate with that knowledge.
>All of these are made and maintained by working class.
Who are employed maintaining machines that wouldn't exist without all of this "educated people bullshit"
>We are bombing the sources.
Good luck with that.
>lmao, I assume you've never seen a nuclear power plant in your life.
Nuclear power plant can be bombed all the same.
See above.

>>32002377
well can you give a simple game plan for doing this?

i'm asking this because it's not like every single state generates it's own power and only it's own power, states share electricity. hell, NY state shares power with parts of canada.

how do you plan to do this? knock out the lines going out of base load stations and hope enough circuit breakers trip to wipe out large parts of the power network?

senpai i can't see your logic, it's blatantly obvious they've planned for this beforehand, since it's more or less identical to something like a massive storm in that it destroys transmission equipment. look how quickly power is restored whenever people get wiped out by a hurricane.

>>32002433
Billions to hire provocateurs, at least 30 people for each town/city.

An understanding of key electrical grid in the US.

Good propaganda campaign, encouraging the act.

Put this plan all over the net.

What is needed for victory is 30 people in every town/county to stop what they are doing and just straight out bomb their local electrical sources.

>>32002417
>Prove that there's absolutely zero innovation happening.
Today, there's nothing new today.
>My question, in response to you saying that your only digital belongings were a phone and computer, was if you had any of those, not if you could make do.
I can make do without my phone and computer even.
>Electricity and software don't require a central infrastructure to run. There's no central infrastructure that tells each piece of software in billions of devices if it can or cannot run. There's no central infrastructure that controls all sources of electricity.
They absolutely require a central infrastructure to run, without electricity, there would be no softwares.
>No shit, but you need to be smart, or as you put it, an "egghead" to fly a plane.
George W. Bush flied a jet and everyone called him a retard.
>God forbid that people gain a better understand of something, and then try to improve it or innovate with that knowledge.
They can be educated, but as long as their education teaches them the right thing, as in tradition, honor, duty, math and science.
>Who are employed maintaining machines that wouldn't exist without all of this "educated people bullshit"
Without them, they would find another job.
>Good luck with that.
Thank you?

>>32002493
that's not an answer though. that's like responding to "how do you plan do do 9/11" with "just hijack some planes and fly them into the towers".


use detail. do you understand that the US military has trained for this, the US government knows the risks of a power grid takedown, and we have millions of surplus parts that can be used to repair the network, right?

hell we even have offline copies of the entire power grid along with how every single part of it was meant to be designed. it'll be down nation wide for maybe 3-4 days before places start getting brought back up, then maybe 1-2 months until the final places are given power again.

and then you and your mates have the entire US military up your ass for being terrorists.

also, how do you plan to actually spread the info of your plan online considering what the NSA is capable of? you'll get your ass beaten. hell the fact that you're talking about it here means you're probably already on a list.

>>32002338
>if I only read the history that I want to read, everything will be just fine.

>>32002534
>Today, there's nothing new today.
Now, you're moving the goalpost. Only a few responses ago, you were saying "Nowadays," and now, you changed to Today, Once again, you're making the claim, prove that absolutely zero innovation happened today.
>I can make do without my phone and computer even.
Still avoiding my initial question.
>They absolutely require a central infrastructure to run, without electricity, there would be no softwares.
There is no central infrastructure for all electricity.
>George W. Bush flied a jet and everyone called him a retard.
A: He rode along
B: He was smart enough to become president.
C: I've actually flown planes before, I'm studying for my PPL and getting my 40 hours done, and I'm going into a job in aviation, so I know a thing or two about flying. The vast majority of it is thinking, not physique. In addition to that, there would be no aircraft if it wasn't for these "eggheads" you revile so.
>Without them, they would find another job.
And without these eggheads, there wouldn't be a 4chan for you to go on to whine about how much engineers offend you.


You're being rather specific about this "30 people attack the local power plant and suddenly all software is dead 4good" bit of yours. Care to elaborate on your plan?

>>32002358
>"Fuck book-learnin, lets burn some shit" --POTUS

>>32002542
>use detail. do you understand that the US military has trained for this, the US government knows the risks of a power grid takedown, and we have millions of surplus parts that can be used to repair the network, right?
In case the electrical power grid goes down, the first order of the US would be bringing martial law in order to keep order, and even bringing food while repairing the electrical grid, this would be maximum chaos and would be beneficial to our group.

>hell we even have offline copies of the entire power grid along with how every single part of it was meant to be designed. it'll be down nation wide for maybe 3-4 days before places start getting brought back up, then maybe 1-2 months until the final places are given power again.
That 3-4 days are crucial to proving our point that technology can be taken away.

>also, how do you plan to actually spread the info of your plan online considering what the NSA is capable of? you'll get your ass beaten. hell the fact that you're talking about it here means you're probably already on a list.
Hiding in plain sight, just broadcoast that plan all over the net.

Are you by any chance the guy who drives ancient cars, and says that nanomachines are why we die early or some shit like that?

>>32002669
>the first order of the US would be bringing martial law in order to keep order, and even bringing food while repairing the electrical grid, this would be maximum chaos and would be beneficial to our group.
The first order would be getting it back up, as it was in 2003, and during natural disasters.
>Our group
You have a group now?
Do tell.
>That 3-4 days are crucial to proving our point that technology can be taken away.
So you're going to take down the whole electrical grid, all backup systems, all personal generators, discharge all batteries, and make all software nonfunctional, just by having groups of 30 at a time bomb your local powerplants?
I think you vastly overestimate what influence you'd have on technology.

>>31993449

Make guidance system. No problem.

Make guidance system fit into a 120mm case then make it withstand a zero to 1000 launch and not be so large that the shell can still have a decent payload.

>>32002366
not to mention all those solar panel assholes would laugh at us....

>>32002649
>Now, you're moving the goalpost. Only a few responses ago, you were saying "Nowadays," and now, you changed to Today, Once again, you're making the claim, prove that absolutely zero innovation happened today.
Dude, you are asking me to prove something, I want to prove it now.
>There is no central infrastructure for all electricity.
There is absolutely a national electrical grid.
>I've actually flown planes before, I'm studying for my PPL and getting my 40 hours done, and I'm going into a job in aviation, so I know a thing or two about flying. The vast majority of it is thinking, not physique.
And? You absolutely still need good physique to fly either ways.
>And without these eggheads, there wouldn't be a 4chan for you to go on to whine about how much engineers offend you.
Doesn't matter, 4chan is useful, but it's only useful to propagate our anti-intellectualism.
>You're being rather specific about this "30 people attack the local power plant and suddenly all software is dead 4good" bit of yours. Care to elaborate on your plan?
It's exactly that.

A plan should be simple, encourage people to take down power grid. The purpose is chaos.

>>32002699
>The first order would be getting it back up, as it was in 2003, and during natural disasters.
The first order is martial law, order first, then comes the fixing, as shown during the natural disasters.
>You have a group now?
We have compatriots who share our ideal of neo-agrarianism.
>So you're going to take down the whole electrical grid, all backup systems, all personal generators, discharge all batteries, and make all software nonfunctional, just by having groups of 30 at a time bomb your local powerplants?
Yes, by destroying the central power grid, you would cripple the city, which is what matters, you destroy the hive and bring the rats out.

>>32002733
>Dude, you are asking me to prove something, I want to prove it now.
Then prove it.
>There is absolutely a national electrical grid.
Good thing that not everything depends on it.
>And? You absolutely still need good physique to fly either ways.
I never said you didn't, although considering some of the pilots I've seen, I'd argue that it isn't a major requirement. I'm saying that flying relies on the mind, and you seem to have some idealized version of pilots flying planes by the seat of their pants and muscle alone, instead of with their minds.
>It's exactly that.

A plan should be simple, encourage people to take down power grid. The purpose is chaos.
A plan should also be realistic, and well thought out.

>>32002797
>Then prove it.
There's nothing new being made today, software-wise.
>Good thing that not everything depends on it.
Silicon valley, the universities, the liberal "eggheads" absolutely depend on this infrastructure.
>I never said you didn't, although considering some of the pilots I've seen, I'd argue that it isn't a major requirement.
It's a major requirement for test pilot, and especially astronaut.
>A plan should also be realistic, and well thought out
It's already thought out and realistic.

Any random 30 people can go bomb their local power grid. What matters is their will to do so.

>>32002826
>There's nothing new being made today, software wise
For once, /g/ is a great source for proving somebody wrong.
>>/g/thread/57515556
>Silicon valley, the universities, the liberal "eggheads" absolutely depend on this infrastructure.
You're moving the goalposts yet again. Also, ironically, going off the grid, at least electrically, is the hip new thing among hippies. See, Elon Musk and his magical wall battery/solar panels people are jizzing about for some reason.
>It's a major requirement for test pilot, and especially astronaut.
Intelligence and a understanding of math and aerodynamics are even more important. And again, none of this would exist without the work done by the eggheads you hate.
>It's already thought out and realistic.
You're claiming that you're going to disable all software and electricity by somehow inciting groups of 30 to successfully bomb every electrical source in the United States and Canada, who we buy power from.

>>32002910
>For once, /g/ is a great source for proving somebody wrong.
What new thing is made today?
>You're moving the goalposts yet again.
What goalpost? When you cripple the city, the ones who you hurt the most are city dwellers.
> Also, ironically, going off the grid, at least electrically, is the hip new thing among hippies.
Ha ha oh god, I wish to see them try.
>See, Elon Musk and his magical wall battery/solar panels people are jizzing about for some reason.
Hippies jizziling for "clean energy", it's nothing new.
>Intelligence and a understanding of math and aerodynamics are even more important.
As said, no matter how smart you are, without a good physique, you ain't getting on that spaceship.
>And again, none of this would exist without the work done by the eggheads you hate.
The eggheads can do the thinking, we will be doing the realizing, which is what matters.
>You're claiming that you're going to disable all software and electricity by somehow inciting groups of 30 to successfully bomb every electrical source in the United States and Canada, who we buy power from.
Very possible and realistic plan, the only problem is if people are willing to do it or not.

>>32003062

No who you are arguing against but...

can you go back to claiming that the guys who landed on the moon weren't "eggheads" and how the guys who made nukes were working class joes.

That was really entertaining.

>>32003143
I already claim that though, what is the point of doing it again?

>>32002703
I don't think making the guidance system contributed greatly to the cost.
iirc the navy, in 2002, prototyped a guided round for their 5in guns that used cheap commercial electronics and could survive like ~35,000g.

>>31997258
you played yourself m8

>>32003062
>What new thing is made today?
All sorts, if you bothered to look at the link. I personally wrote a few lines of code earlier today to make calculations for something I was doing easier.
>What goalpost? When you cripple the city, the ones who you hurt the most are city dwellers.
Several replies ago, you said "Every software needs electricity, and electricity can be taken away."
Now, you've moved it to "The power grid," "Silicon valley" and "Cities," among other things.
>As said, no matter how smart you are, without a good physique, you ain't getting on that spaceship.
You said earlier, that being a pilot makes you a non egghead. Being a (good) pilot requires studying, an understanding of aerodynamics, skill at math, and several other skills that you handwaved as eggheadery. Is being an egghead only for people you don't like?
>The eggheads can do the thinking, we will be doing the realizing, which is what matters.
There wouldn't be shit for you to realize if there was nobody doing thinking.
>Very possible and realistic plan, the only problem is if people are willing to do it or not.
I beg to differ. You're suggesting that somehow a message that's able to be understood by enough people to overwhelm every single power station in the United States and canada won't be intercepted, or leaked to law enforcement, and that you're going to get thousands of people to agree to do this at the same time, against their own interests. "Realistic."
>>32003158
It was pretty entertaining watching you flail.

>>32003158
because its fucking hysterical that you think that neil armstrong isn't an egghead when he earned a bachelors in aeronautical engineering and a masters in aerospace engineering. not to mention buzz aldrin earning a doctorate in astronautics from MIT.

yeah. "dudes weren't eggheads"

>>32003173
>All sorts, if you bothered to look at the link. I personally wrote a few lines of code earlier today to make calculations for something I was doing easier.
So nothing then.
>Several replies ago, you said "Every software needs electricity, and electricity can be taken away."
But every software does need electricity, and it can be taken away, the national power grid is the key to that.
>Now, you've moved it to "The power grid," "Silicon valley" and "Cities," among other things.
Which is where softwares are most located at.
>You said earlier, that being a pilot makes you a non egghead
Yes, an egghead lacks the physique and just spout theory all days.
>There wouldn't be shit for you to realize if there was nobody doing thinking.
We can realize shit and do the thinking ourselves, thank you very much.
>You're suggesting that somehow a message that's able to be understood by enough people to overwhelm every single power station in the United States and canada won't be intercepted, or leaked to law enforcement
Hiding in plain sight, everywhere would know of it.
>and that you're going to get thousands of people to agree to do this at the same time, against their own interests. "Realistic."
This is the key, their willing to do so. But as you said, we only need thousands, this is definitely possible.
>It was pretty entertaining watching you flail.
I will continue to humor you then.

>>32003216
Neil Amstrong was a fucking sailor as well as a test pilot.

The same for Buzz Aldrin.

These guys got the mind as well the body.

They aren't the eggheads who stay on computer all days and go back to sleep.

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>>32003244
>So nothing
I gave you multiple examples. Again, you're the one who's making the claim that there was zero innovation done today in software, and previously made the claim that innovation has come to a complete stop. You have still refused to provide a shred of evidence for your claim.

>But every software does need electricity, and it can be taken away, the national power grid is the key to that.

The national power grid does not control all electricity in the nation, and you completely fail to demonstrate an understanding of that.

>Which is where softwares are most located at.
"Softwares" are everything. Digital devices don't use magic to connect to silicon valley where all the "softwares" are stored. Please try to have a basic understanding of a topic before suggesting terrorist acts against it.
>Yes, an egghead lacks the physique and just spout theory all days.
So you're just insulting people based on your personal opinion, and suggesting terrorism against them because you're offended. Fuck off, SJW.
Here's a picture of a professional egghead for your viewing pleasure.
>We can realize shit and do the thinking ourselves, thank you very much.
And then you would be the eggheads you hate.
>Hiding in plain sight, everywhere would know of it.
So, where law enforcement can see it. Great plan you have there.
>This is the key, their willing to do so. But as you said, we only need thousands, this is definitely possible.
You're not Gene from MGS, and you don't have a magical voice that can convince people to do dumb shit just because you say so.
>I will continue to humor you then.
Please do.

>>32003264
its almost as if your idea of an egghead is some kind of, oh i don't know, straw-man argument.

How's that inferiority complex working for ya?

>>32003244
>But every software does need electricity, and it can be taken away, the national power grid is the key to that.

you seem to be assuming the national power grid is a single entity that can be taken down by bombing a substation. it's not.

it's a collection of separate subnetworks that peer energy to each other to both drive costs down and save energy in general. if you take one part of it down the other parts will cut off and that will be the extent of the damage.

>>32003264

>He was also an aerospace engineer, naval aviator, test pilot, and university professor. Before becoming an astronaut
>aerospace engineer
>university professor.
>Before becoming an astronaut

>>32003319
dude, you are literally allowing yourself to argue against someone who is anti-education. I don't know what you are expecting. Are you hoping he will enroll in his local community college tomorrow after you teach him not to be afraid of learning?

>>32003319
>I gave you multiple examples. Again, you're the one who's making the claim that there was zero innovation done today in software, and previously made the claim that innovation has come to a complete stop. You have still refused to provide a shred of evidence for your claim.
There's nothing new today, friend, you making a code to calculate easier isn't new.
>The national power grid does not control all electricity in the nation, and you completely fail to demonstrate an understanding of that.
It contains the major electrical output of the nation, take that out and the whole nation is crippled.
>"Softwares" are everything. Digital devices don't use magic to connect to silicon valley where all the "softwares" are stored
It's fucking electricity, without electricity, there would be no softwares. And no, softwares are not everything. I live without softwares.
>So you're just insulting people based on your personal opinion, and suggesting terrorism against them because you're offended. Fuck off, SJW.
Yes, there's nothing good about them, and the sooner they get off their ass and work physical labor, the better.
>And then you would be the eggheads you hate.
I still work physical labor, so nope.
>So, where law enforcement can see it. Great plan you have there.
It's hiding in plain sight, no point in hiding it.
>You're not Gene from MGS, and you don't have a magical voice that can convince people to do dumb shit just because you say so.
I got the argument for it, which is to prove that we as a society can live without electricity.
>Please do.
Take 2 to dance.

>>32003370
I'm bored, the gym is closed, I have nothing better to do, and I enjoy arguing.

>>32003328
Plenty of those eggheads in universities and in cities.

You can go find them.

>How's that inferiority complex working for ya?
Don't you mean superiority complex?

>>32003397
>There's nothing new today, friend, you making a code to calculate easier isn't new.

what are you talking about? the new iphone has wireless headphones man. WIRELESS HEADPHONES! what a time to be alive

>>32003423
>Don't you mean superiority complex?

That's a super quick wit you have. I am blown away at how you turned that one around.

>>32003343
The national power grid is powered by various stations and cables.

These are the targets.

We need to take them out, in the matter of one day.

>>32003424
I'm not impressed at all.
>>32003449
Thank you?

>>32003345
But before that, he served in the US Navy.

>>32003397
>It isn't new
How do you know? You haven't seen it, or what I was using it for. Besides that, that was a single example of code created today. There are millions of other examples. Just find a bit of software that pushed an update today, somebody innovated a way for the software to accomplish a function in a better way, or to do something it couldn't earlier.
>It contains the major electrical output of the nation, take that out and the whole nation is crippled.
You should realize yourself an anchor for those goalposts. You were originally saying that all electricity can be stopped (lel).
>It's fucking electricity, without electricity, there would be no softwares. And no, softwares are not everything. I live without softwares.
"Softwares." If you live without these softwares, how are you posting? You just said you have a phone and a computer, and you STILL avoid answering my question about what you own. There is no way to suddenly "stop" electricity as a whole.
>Yes, there's nothing good about them, and the sooner they get off their ass and work physical labor, the better.
You admit you're making up a person, then railing against them like a tumblrina.
>I still work physical labor, so nope.
So do these "eggheads" you hate.
>I got the argument for it, which is to prove that we as a society can live without electricity.
We can also live with our testicles cut off and without eyes, that doesn't mean that it's a good idea or that people would want to.
Now convince tens of thousands of people that it's a good idea.

Are you autistic? You appear incapable of understanding that not everybody has exactly the same feelings and motivations that you do?

>>32003451
...Yes, and in the event of the links between said stations and cities being broken the entire network will attempt to self heal.

It's this way so, for example, if an area with a city, a base load power station and a flexible supply station gets a really big order from the city next door for a fuckton of power, that area can just cut off and keep the base load station operating. That saves a LOT of time since base load stations are designed to operate 24/7 and thus they're not designed to be turned on and off a lot.

>>32003478

And? He didn't become an astronaut just because he served the navy. Nearly every single astronaut sent to space not only had a military career they were also college educated STEM fields and new exactly with what they were working with. Hardly a blue collar average Joe, they are the best and brightest of the nation.

>>31995027
Then stop asking for our military to protect your shitty nation.

>>32003530
sshhh, no. don't engage. his whole world view depends on looking down on people with a college education and in the even that someone he respects turns out to be educated he has to handwave that information away as irrelevant simply because they were also in the military and were therefor a working class nobody like him.

The supreme irony is that he is making these arguments on the internet which :spoiler: was made by "eggheads", from a personal computer that he is only able to afford because "eggheads" figured out a way to make microprocessors cheaply and widely available.

>>32003608

I just find the idea of someone bitching about "lazy eggheads don't work" being made on a board initially made by a then 14 year old with nothing to do, based on a Japanese website, being discussed over the internet structurally developed by the DOD and connected by an address protocol developed by CERN, on a computer that whose architecture was developed by American engineers and computer scientists, with each component assembled by automated machines in factories all across the world, transported by every sort of complex machinery from cargo freighters to cargo trucks, then arranged to be sold by groups of administrators and marketeers to only then be bought by an ignorant fudd who thinks this is all crap and the US should have never left the 50's to be amusingly entertaining.

Rip SJW.
inb4 the terrorist/political action committee known as 4chan arrested tomorrow for throwing cherry bombs at a local substation.

>>32003708
glad i am not the only one who is amused. This thread was a gem. Wish he would come back, but I imagine he had a shift in the coal mine he had to get to.

>>31995983
>Why do you think America's best scientists and researchers are all immigrants these days?
Because you have to be from a foreign country to be accepted into most high academia now. Look at virginia and ohio public colleges. Foreigners out the ass.

>>32003481
>How do you know? You haven't seen it, or what I was using it for.
Because there's no impact of it on my life. Nothing fucking changes.
>You should realize yourself an anchor for those goalposts. You were originally saying that all electricity can be stopped (lel).
All electricity can be stopped, the first step is the national power grid.

>"Softwares." If you live without these softwares, how are you posting? You just said you have a phone and a computer, and you STILL avoid answering my question about what you own. There is no way to suddenly "stop" electricity as a whole.
I employ electricity in my life but I do not need electricity to keep on living.
>You admit you're making up a person, then railing against them like a tumblrina.
What? Plenty of these persons exist in liberal cities.
>So do these "eggheads" you hate.
No, they don't.
>Now convince tens of thousands of people that it's a good idea.
I will convince them, a healthy, simple life is better, and that doesn't come with the hive urban city.
>Are you autistic? You appear incapable of understanding that not everybody has exactly the same feelings and motivations that you do?
Not everybody, just thousands.

>>31994793
Beat me to it...... damn you.

>>32003509
>...Yes, and in the event of the links between said stations and cities being broken the entire network will attempt to self heal.
Who will attempt to self heal? The military? The electrical staff? If these are human elements, then it wouldn't be fast enough. We would have crippled the nation for 3-4 days.
>>32003530
The point is he isn't an egghead.

He's smart as well as having a well-built physique.

>>32004150
You're drawing on the academic wealth of the world, stop bitching.

>>32004474
the automatic systems that monitor the power network 24/7 for this exact reason you fucking idiot

please at least read up on the power network before you talk about it

>>32004442
>Because there's no impact of it on my life. Nothing fucking changes.

>hasn't impacted me personally therefor it cannot exist.

>I am not a walking talking logical fallacy.

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>>31993549
>>31993505
>>31993449
Why don't they just upgun other destroyers and cruisers with the new gun to make up for the cost? No need to build an entire ship just to use the new gun

>>31995444
>>31995423
Is that with conventional ammunition or the special snowflake guided ammo?

>>32004966
'cause upgunning a ship isn't that simple

>>32004984
Simpler and cheaper than making a new zumwalt.

Though I can see how replacing a 127mm gun a 155mm gun can cause some issues

>>31995423
$400,000

>>32004506
This system cannot fix itself, especially if it's fucking physically damaged.

You need staff to fix it, and people are slow.
>>32004495
Fuck you, America is for americans, not for the world.

>>32002358
This. The last thing we need is more college kiddies.

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>>31995135
>This is the kind of logic I saw flying around in the Bush years

Wrong moron. Bush increased welfare spending and even added new programs to drain more tax payer money.

>>31995983
>Why are grad schools flooded with foreigners

Americans go to college so they can get out as quickly as possible to make money in the private sector. Immigrants come from socialist hell holes where there is no private sector so they stay on and get advanced degrees making a fraction of the amount of money as their American counter parts.

>>31996265
>Ignorance is cultural thing

This is some hardcore projecting you have been doing.

>>31996290
>America always needs more physicists, computer scientists, and chemists.

No, not really. If the economy can not support them then they are not needed. Having a few well funded researchers is much better than having lots of poorly funded researchers. Having a degree is not a net gain unless there is room to accommodate it. Otherwise those people would be much more beneficial contributing to the economy by working a regular job than by draining resources as a student. More educated people with more degrees doesn't mean you will have a larger and better economy. This isn't "anti-intellectualism" but a fact of life.

>>32004442
>Because there's no impact of it on my life. Nothing fucking changes.
So now, you've shifted the goalposts yet again. Innovation happens in places you don't notice, and just because you're too narrowminded to see it, doesn't make it non-existent.
>All electricity can be stopped, the first step is the national power grid.
No. It's impossible to somehow "stop" all electricity.
>What? Plenty of these persons exist in liberal cities.
You're still making up a caricature of somebody, then railing against them and suggesting terrorism because they offend you. Grow up, SJW.
>No, they don't.
Better tell that to all my engineer friends at the gym, or who've built their own houses.
>I will convince them, a healthy, simple life is better, and that doesn't come with the hive urban city.
You're doing a terrible job of that right now. You can have a healthy simple life in a rural area and still enjoy modern technology.
>Not everybody, just thousands.
Proof?

>>32006162
>So now, you've shifted the goalposts yet again. Innovation happens in places you don't notice, and just because you're too narrowminded to see it, doesn't make it non-existent.
Whatever, m8, this "innovation" has not touched me yet, I will deny it all days erry days.
>No. It's impossible to somehow "stop" all electricity.
It's entirely to stop software and hardwares to stop having electricity to power them, don't be obstuse.
>You're still making up a caricature of somebody, then railing against them and suggesting terrorism because they offend you.
They are already caricatures of themselves, no need for me to make fun of them.
>Grow up, SJW.
You do that, son.
>Better tell that to all my engineer friends at the gym, or who've built their own houses.
Yeah, spinning that hamster wheel after work, and building their own houses? I don't believe that.
>You're doing a terrible job of that right now. You can have a healthy simple life in a rural area and still enjoy modern technology.
Am I? I enjoy modern technology, does not mean that I depend on it, the future I desire is not shared with these eggheads.
>Proof?
Because every town/county's power grid can be destroyed by the act of 30 people, armed to death with guns and explosives.

>>32006180
>It's entirely possible to stop software and hardwares to stop working by cutting the power sources, don't be obstuse*

>>32006180
>Whatever, m8, this "innovation" has not touched me yet, I will deny it all days erry days.
You're like a toddler, plugging their ears and yelling NANANANA when they hear something they don't like
>It's entirely to stop software and hardwares to stop having electricity to power them, don't be obstuse.
There is absolutely no way to disable all electricity. Can you describe how you think electricity works?
>They are already caricatures of themselves, no need for me to make fun of them.
That's your opinion.
>Yeah, spinning that hamster wheel after work, and building their own houses? I don't believe that.
Once again, you're using the toddler defense.
>Am I? I enjoy modern technology, does not mean that I depend on it, the future I desire is not shared with these eggheads.
If you're going to convince thousands of people to attack their local power plants, you're going to need to do more than textwall at them about your personal hatred of educated people.
>Because every town/county's power grid can be destroyed by the act of 30 people, armed to death with guns and explosives.
You're not going to magically raise a personal army of thousands of people, and especially not do it unnoticed.

Are you the same guy from here?
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/28616224/#28616368

>>32002149
You hate smart people?
Do you work at a Jiffy Lube or something?
Jesus christ, i work in a factory, plastics molding, and your attitude is fucking retarded.
I work with my hands all day, sweat my ass off, and drink beer when I get off.
But I also understand the codependency that "eggheads" and workers have. You cant run a 1st world country thats technologically relevant with just blue collar dudes.

>>32006239
>You're like a toddler, plugging their ears and yelling NANANANA when they hear something they don't like
Okay? It's what I am.
>There is absolutely no way to disable all electricity. Can you describe how you think electricity works?
There are absolute ways to destroy enough power generators in order to shut down cities, and that's what I'm willing to do.
>Can you describe how you think electricity works?
Generators (either through heat or turbines) and ways to transport them (cables), destroy those and you destroy electricity.
>If you're going to convince thousands of people to attack their local power plants, you're going to need to do more than textwall at them about your personal hatred of educated people.
I'm going to tell them how the future of our current technology will lead to, it's not utopia unless we put a stop to it. We need to lead and control technology in accordance with our traditions and duty as a human.
>You're not going to magically raise a personal army of thousands of people, and especially not do it unnoticed.
It's not my army. My plan is to publicly send the plan to everyone, so that they know and act by their own will.

>>32006266
I don't hate smart people, I hate snobs who think they are educated because they think have a college degrees.

>But I also understand the codependency that "eggheads" and workers have. You cant run a 1st world country thats technologically relevant with just blue collar dudes.
Never said to kill all of them, just keep ENOUGH of them. For any nation, the majority should be blue collar physical workers, not eggheads.

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>>32006267
>There are absolute ways to destroy enough power generators in order to shut down cities, and that's what I'm willing to do.
You seem to be unable to decide between "All the power in a city" and "All electricity." Which is it? How are you going to discharge all the batteries in a city, since you want to stop all those evil softwares.
>Generators (either through heat or turbines) and ways to transport them (cables), destroy those and you destroy electricity.
You described one way of generating electricity, and one means of transmission, not how electricity works.
>I'm going to tell them how the future of our current technology will lead to, it's not utopia unless we put a stop to it. We need to lead and control technology in accordance with our traditions and duty as a human.
Your anti-education and technology future won't be appealing to that many people. Good luck.
>It's not my army. My plan is to publicly send the plan to everyone, so that they know and act by their own will.
People won't care, and you're not the first person to do this either.
>>32006279
And I hate snobs who think they're somehow smarter through having a disdain for education and working manual labor, especially when those snobs start suggesting some moral highground for their views, and that people should resort to terrorism because technology offends them.
>Never said to kill all of them, just keep ENOUGH of them. For any nation, the majority should be blue collar physical workers, not eggheads.
can you back this up?

>>32006279
I wonder how you would calculate the required number of "eggheads" to keep.
Would one guy find out the number by using a formula, then immediately be cast out as an egghead?

>>32006333
>You seem to be unable to decide between "All the power in a city" and "All electricity." Which is it? How are you going to discharge all the batteries in a city, since you want to stop all those evil softwares.
I'm going to shut down the cities first, that's a realistic first goal.
>You described one way of generating electricity, and one means of transmission, not how electricity works.
That's the way we humans are using them.
>Your anti-education and technology future won't be appealing to that many people. Good luck.
My future is controlled technology that exists to aid the people, not to make people depend on them.
>People won't care, and you're not the first person to do this either.
Or they will, does not matter, what matters is attempt to try.
>And I hate snobs who think they're somehow smarter through having a disdain for education and working manual labor
Never said I'm smarter, nor I need to.
>can you back this up?
It's how the human body works, the brain consumes a shitload of energy, but it just a small part of the body compared to the muscle.
>>32006343
1 egghead per 1000 workers sound decent for me.

>>32006279
>Never said to kill all of them, just keep ENOUGH of them. For any nation, the majority should be blue collar physical workers, not eggheads.

T. Mao Zedong

The Khmer Rouge and the Great Leap Forward had the same thinking.

Protip: it didn't work.

>>32006390
Funny you are shittalking commie chink when someone's praising them chink right in this thread.

>>32006368
>I'm going to shut down the cities first, that's a realistic first goal.
"Realistic" isn't what I'd use to describe your plan. To recap, you're claiming that you're going to somehow incite thousands of people to suddenly attack their local powerplants at roughly the same time, by posting your manifesto of how educated people (but not the ones you like) are ruining society, and everybody should revert to the stone ages because of it. Assuming that taking the Francis E. Dec route of propaganda actually works for you, you then expect all of these attacks to be successful, and for everybody to enjoy the short period of time they're in a blackout enough to start up a revolution and kill the educated.

As I said earlier, you're like a more retarded Pol Pot or Chairman Mao.
>That's the way we humans are using them.
Your incredibly basic description of two possible ways to generate power, and one way to move it from point A to point B isn't the only way electricity is created or used. I suspect your great plans for an agrarian revolution won't go far if you have no understanding of how electricity works, and how it's used in the United States and Canada.
>My future is controlled technology that exists to aid the people, not to make people depend on them.
Technology doesn't make somebody dependent, that person chooses to be dependent. Your argument is the same as saying that guns cause people to commit mass shootings.
>Or they will, does not matter, what matters is attempt to try.
Please do try, I'm sure the results would be hilarious.
>Never said I'm smarter, nor I need to.
You're certainly acting like it.
>It's how the human body works, the brain consumes a shitload of energy, but it just a small part of the body compared to the muscle.
Silly metaphors don't count as proof.

>>32006400
You don't get it.
The two most famous examples of something similar to what you're suggesting are communist China's "Great leap forward," and Pol Pot's rule in Cambodia, both of which were massive disasters.

If you don't want to get compared to commies, stop whining like one.

>>32002358
>I am literally retarded

>>32006413
I don't really care if I'm compared to commies, but things cannot be kept like this.

Even if millions die, it is worth it for the billions more humans in the future.

>>32006418
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>32006403
My plan is as follows:
Create propaganda to convince people to abandon the current future, where technology jail everyone and force them to be in urban center and live like rats, and choose a better future with neo-agrarian society instead, with people living in far track of land and no city with over 2 millions people.
This plan requires 30 people of every village/town/city to destroy their local power grid in the interim of the same day, to force the entire nation on alert and create a 3-4 days blackout. Without electricity, the city rats would have to move out and experience the countryside, then they have a choice to abandon the cities altogether.

>Technology doesn't make somebody dependent, that person chooses to be dependent.
Then that person is the problem, not technology, and their punishment is to take technology from them.
>You're certainly acting like it.
I do not act like I'm smarter than anyone else.

>>32006424
With how swift urbanization is up and how every people (domestic and foreign) are flocking to the cities soon the cities will become the place where the majority of humans live.

This puts too many eggs in one basket.

Thus it is better to convince humanity of the danger of city/megalopolis now so people can scatter back to the countryside.

>>32006424

Of course he doesn't. His idea of Utopia would certainly leave him for dead once he needs an "egghead" for medicine or because all the people who could distribute enough food for everyone are dead.

>>32006443
>convenience 30 people per city

Wont ever happen

>>32006457
If no one tries, nothing would ever happen.

The cities are overcrowded, polluted, yet because of convenience, people flock to them.

This must be stopped, for the good of humanity.

>>32006279
It sounds like you just hate English majors, communications majors, and liberal arts majors. Maybe even some popular science fanatics.

People in science and engineering fields tend to keep quiet.

>>32006476
Yes, I have huge respect for STEM fields, math and science, since they do study facts and produce shit.

800,000 dollar round that can destroy a 80,000,000 dollar ship with a single round.

>>32006468
Except nobody will try anon.

>>32006504
If nobody else will, I will.

What matter is truly infrastructure, if we improve the infrastructure to the villages/town, and get manufacturing jobs back to the country people, there might be still hopes yet.

I detest service jobs.

>>32006443
Your ability to convince people of something is severely lacking, as evidenced by your flailing in this thread.
Without electricity, people would stay home. It wouldn't force a mass exodus from cities.
Technology doesn't "jail" people or force them to live in cities, it's a person's choice to do so.
Once again, good luck co-ordinating that many thousands of people. Additionally, your plan is shit because you're going to be openly saying when this attack is going to happen, and you're giving time for powerplants to prepare for it.
Know who else had a similar retarded plan to somehow incite thousands of people to start a revolution? Charles Manson. If you're willing to risk becoming a degenerate parroting puppet egghead, go look up who he is, and how his plan worked for him in the end.

>>32006443
>This plan requires 30 people of every village/town/city to destroy their local power grid in the interim of the same day,

Kek. Cletus this is how it goes:

>Dumbfucks destroy some of the energy grid
>Fail to cause any actual damage because they are too dumb to figure out how to properly damage them
>Fail to hit the cities because it is distributed and with redundancies
>The police and maybe the SWAT comes in kills or arrests them
>Contractors go in and repair the damage within a day or two
>No one moves back to the farms because it is shit
>Everything goes back to normal

Also fuck your idea of a neo agrarian society. I worked with strawberries farm, it really fucking sucks if it was up to me all this shit would have been completely automated. Because farm work FUCKING SUCKS.

>>32006526
Do it faggot.

>>31995983
>I dont see why you right wingers have this malicious idea that higher education is something evil.

Because universities have become leftist indoctrination camps thats why.

>>32006534
>Without electricity, people would stay home. It wouldn't force a mass exodus from cities.
Stay home with what? People only stay in the cities because:
1. Job opportunity.
2. Convenience such as foods, gyms, schools, markets right next to them.
But mostly job opportunity, no electricity, no fucking job, and no convenience either.
>Technology doesn't "jail" people or force them to live in cities, it's a person's choice to do so.
And these people should be in a rough awakening when cities fall.
>Additionally, your plan is shit because you're going to be openly saying when this attack is going to happen, and you're giving time for powerplants to prepare for it.
If the first phase fails, I would do it again, and again, even in jail.

It is just the matter of getting the word out.

>that moment when penetration is so high it just punches clean holes through enemy vessels.

>>32006536
Obviously, you are underestimating people (or maybe I'm overestimating them), but a plan like this would surprise a shitload of people if it's successful.

>Also fuck your idea of a neo agrarian society. I worked with strawberries farm, it really fucking sucks if it was up to me all this shit would have been completely automated. Because farm work FUCKING SUCKS.
Farm work sucks but it's rewarding, you literally see fruits of your labor.

>>32006526
>If nobody else will, I will.

Then, by your own logic, your plan will fail.

To which i salute you, and would ask you to do it, faggot; if only to be rid of your insufferable ass.

>>32006580
>Farm work sucks but it's rewarding, you literally see fruits of your labor.

t. somebody who has never done farm or ranch work.

No, i dont like spending 2 weeks, 7 hours a day doing small bales to feed 10 FUCKING HORSES, ONLY 10, though the winter.

>>32006583
I will proudly say at least I tried.

>>32006588
Sound like you should move to the city, dude.

>>32006569
>Stay home with what? People only stay in the cities because:
Whatever they have. A three day power outage wouldn't suddenly make everybody in a city flee to rural areas. As I asked earlier, are you autistic? You appear to have a great misunderstanding of how people behave and think.
>And these people should be in a rough awakening when cities fall.
Still doesn't change the fact that technology isn't what makes people rely on technology and live in cities. The deciding factor in that is the person themselves.
>If the first phase fails, I would do it again, and again, even in jail.

And you'd fail over and over again, just like Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson, and Francis E. Dec.

You act like there's some worldwide mad deadly communist gangster computer god that forces people to use technology and live in urban areas. Much like a SJW claiming that people aren't responsible for committing crimes or being fat, you act like people don't have a personal responsibility for what they do.

>>31997258
Hispanic are like 12% of the population right? So about right
Blacks are like 13% so thats bad
Whites who are 72% make up only 40% of SNAP recipients which is good.

>>32006594
Then go out and do it right now faggot, and prove us all wrong.

>new ships are a failure
>new planes are a failure
>new tanks are a failure
get it together America

>>32006594
Well proudly go do it, faggot.

>>32006619
>Whatever they have. A three day power outage wouldn't suddenly make everybody in a city flee to rural areas. As I asked earlier, are you autistic? You appear to have a great misunderstanding of how people behave and think.
Nowadays, people have one day power outage and they are already moving out to the street, imagine 3 or 4 days outage, that will give a message to them.
>Still doesn't change the fact that technology isn't what makes people rely on technology and live in cities. The deciding factor in that is the person themselves.
And these persons who decide to be depended on technology deserve to be punished i.e. getting the technology away from them.

>You act like there's some worldwide mad deadly communist gangster computer god that forces people to use technology and live in urban areas.
Nope, there are just two things:
- job opportunity
- conveniences
This is why they need to be taken away.

>>32006630
>>32006633
...bye bye, anons.

>>32003708
As much as I would agree your discounting of the working class will never make you an ally of then or change their view on things. Without then all that shit does not happen.

>>31997257
An Iowa has 0 survivablility in this day and age...

>>32005535
If America is gaining something from it I Don't see a huge problem. If they stay in America and become American(culturally etc) it only helps.

>>32006638
>Nowadays, people have one day power outage and they are already moving out to the street, imagine 3 or 4 days outage, that will give a message to them.
You still haven't shown any proof that a simple 3 day power outage would be enough for millions to suddenly leave home and create a new life in rural areas.
>And these persons who decide to be depended on technology deserve to be punished i.e. getting the technology away from them.
People deserve to be punished because technology hurts your feelings? Oh poor you.
>Nope, there are just two things:
- job opportunity
- conveniences
This is why they need to be taken away.
Why aren't people allowed to live together in your fantasy for a future? There's more reasons than just those two.

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>>32006638

>- job opportunity
>- conveniences

So basically every city through history ever. Also what does moving into the middle of the fucking nowhere to farm offers to people other than a shitty way of life?

>Nowadays, people have one day power outage and they are already moving out to the street, imagine 3 or 4 days outage, that will give a message to them.
Moving out to the street for a while isn't the same as moving out of the city

>And these persons who decide to be depended on technology deserve to be punished i.e. getting the technology away from them.

Next time you get sick with a serious illness or need medical attention do us a favor and don't seek medication or a hospital.

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>>32005535

>Fuck you, America is for americans, not for the world.

Then get the fuck out you British outcast scum.

>>32006416
>>32002655
>make college "tuition free"
>cost of tuition skyrockets
>flood the market with worthless degrees
Boy you two sure are fucking stupid.

>>32006608

Oh, i did.

Hilariously enough, became an electrician.

>>32006694
>the native Americans had an established system of government and an organized way of diplomacy
Dear conquered peoples,
etc
etc
etc

>>32006694
>splendid, when are you leaving

>>32006729

>After you champ.

>>31997258
Nice going retard.

>it's an assmad tradie gets pissed that he didn't stay in school and earn a decent salary episode.
Posting this from the shitter in my comfy office. Think I'll go yell at the shop just for you princess <3

>>31996343
Stop posting Sarah Palmer.

>>31993579
>The zumwalt is supposed to have 600 in stock
Lmao, let's let a bunch of old people die so we can get 1/6th of what we need, that'll be a good move!

>>31998537
Hello, Aerospace engi here. Unless they're using gold oxide as an oxidizer your navy is being ripped off. Things that go boom are almost never expensive because making chemical that goes boom or FSHHHHH isn't hard to do in an industrialized nation. Most of the cost of this round is probably guidance or le bleeding edge tax meme.

But yeah no, rocket fuel is cheap as fuck compared to what you think it is. Even THE MOST complicated rocket fuel you can possibly use Lox and LH isn't that expensive, it's just about infrastructure, we're talking about solid fuel which should never be that expensive.

>>31997257
Are you suggesting we build fleets of modernized Iowa battleships? hmmm i kind of like it, sounds thread worthy

>>32008921
if they spent 500 million dollars developing it, they need to price things accordingly to recoup that investment

Theres more to a cannon round than fucking propellant
And yea, it could easily be worth 200 dollars a lb if they developed something new.

>>32007189
Considering how much more we spend on old people than the entire military budget, none would die.

>>32010247

ITS JUST REGULAR SHELL PROPELLANT

Right?!?

Its a rocket assisted shell launched like a conventional shell using NORMAL propellant.

I'm standing by what I said. Even at 500,000 a shell, if each shell fired prevents a Tomahawk launch it is still worth it financially.

>>31995027
Beware a false flag alien attack

>>31996395
This is partly true, but not completely.
There are many jobs in which human manufacturing is necessary, or helps make a better product, though more expensive in many cases.
The issue then becomes how our government subsidizes our workforce. Do we ship the stuff off, then ship it back, losing money in the shipping for the labor, and the subsequent welfare for the lost jobs? Do we import cheap illegal labor and let the government give them food stamps, health care, education, and whatever else there is while not accurately tracking the spending and abusing a system that was not set up for that sort of operation, decreasing the security of human movements, contributing to human smuggling and other illegal activities, and letting them send a significant portion of their wages back to their country of origin?
We could create good vocational, apprenticeship, journeyman sorts of programs. We could use a visa system to fill in the gaps in the unskilled labor market, and we could offer up higher wages with less welfare for those same unskilled labor jobs.