So /k/ what's your verdict or thoughts on soldiers or a

>>31956638
Rendered entirely impotent by explosives. Over pressure does not care how heavily armored you are.

It doesn't happen for a reason

>>31956638
Without mechanical assistance endurance takes a fucking nose dive with gear that heavy. expect 15-30 minutes of combat effectiveness at best.

>>31956638

room clearing seems to be the only real reason to be heavily armored. maybe if soldiers had quick access to it, it would make sense in the field because screw walking for miles in a glorified EOD suit.

>>31956671
Its a problem looking for a solution.

If you get to the point where the pointman needs an eod suit, the task is better served with a satchel charge though the window.

See: fallujah.

>>31956662
Not entirely true. The EOD armor is specifically designed to reduce overpressure

Maybe when we develop exoskeletons that can help take the load this will be a reality.

>>31956638
IM TYPING ON A BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD WHILE TALKING TO MY GIRLFRIEND FROM ANOTHER ROOM ITLL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT I WRITE AND IF IT IS ACCURATE THIS BITCH IS SO FUCKING DUMB I HOPE SHE OD'S SOON NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERS

>>31956638
>So /k/ what's your verdict or thoughts on soldiers or a type of combat unit that's heavily armored and armed with "heavy" weaponry like LMGs?

It's a recent vidya meme and it's a completely absurd concept in real life.
EVERY fucking AAA FPS has a juggernaut type of enemy with heavy armor and heavy weaponry. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

>>31956662
This. Even if you're wearing a armored helmet and get shot in the head with a 50 cal you're dead. Sorry Call of Duty, it's never going to be a real thing.

>>31956765
Yeah and it's the fucking gayest shit ever.

>>31956751
You ok anon? Need somebody to talk to?

>Guy that has to carry your most unwieldy weapons
>Make him dress up in full IOTV with Russian Altyn helmet and hockey gear
>Make him run around aircraft graveyards in the Afghan desert
Must be the most unlikable faggot ever if he gets the short straw on everything like that. I guess everyone says "Bro, you're the DOZER, man you're the motherfucking JUGGERNAUT, fuckin badass bro!" and whatever else he needs to hear just so they don't have to be him.

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>>31956638
oh god i saw the thumbnail and thought he was smiling at me

>>31956694
Yeah, until you're cozied up next to something that obliterates you no matter what.

>>31956864
Seriously.

Now, the argument could be made that PRACTICAL full body armor might be useful for building clearance, either on the point man or the whole team. But during MOUT work when you're clearing a whole lot of buildings one by one, or when you're in the middle of fuckbutt Afghanistan? Yeah, it must've been your dream as a child to become a heat casualty.

>>31956864
>Guy that has to carry your most unwieldy weapons
>Make him dress up in full IOTV with Russian Altyn helmet and hockey gear
>Make him run around aircraft graveyards in the Afghan desert
at least it means Big Boss can't tranq him easily

>>31956691
>>31956671
Only use I can think of would SWAT teams responding to a situation with hostages. Would limit manoeuvrability though and I guess shields fill that niche already.

>>31956694
Yeah and eod armor isn't made to stop bullets

>>31956765
Battlefield 1 Doesn't..

>>31958421
First mission. We had the "plate" armor in WWI, but they use it like one.

>>31958421
Yes it does, the sentry elite class is exactly that

>>31958421
Bruh, there's a campaign mission where you play as one. Along with other armored enemies throughout.

>>31956765
Arma?

>>31958669
arma has over the shoulder camera too so it's not really an fps.
It's a milsim.

>>31958524
>>31958440
>>31958433

Yeah but they didn't use Those in the war

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>>31956864
>>31957547
The original Juggernaut NPC concept for Cod looks even more retarded IMO. Atleast the very least the final version of the Juggernaut seen in MW2 looks like an EOD bomb suit or a modified version of it that has MOLLE pouches strapped on to it.

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>>31956751
But why this thread lol?

t. someone who has never touched a 240

>>31956638
Nah.

Magazine fed grenade launchers x assault rifles are more likely.

>>31958934
>a tank enemy can only be a "Tank" if it uses modern EOD armor

>>31958934
And? >>31958421 point was that Battlefield 1 didn't have this "trope", yet it does.

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>>31956864
>Juggernaut armor in COD is IOTV with Russian Altyn helmet and hockey gear

I thought the COD juggernaut suit is basically an EOD suit or a modified version of it?

>>31958994
The MW3 version of the Cod Juggernaut somewhat kinda looks like generic looking metal armor with a riot police/spetsnaz helmet though.

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>>31956638
>>31956864
>>31957547
>>31958994
>>31959154

>Don't talk to me or my son, ever again.

>>31956864
>has to carry your most unwieldy weapons
I know right? The M240 is a LIGHT machinegun, but its not exactly the best type of weapon to be used when being very mobile or moving around especially when you're sprinting like the Call of Duty juggernaut or any Call of Duty character for that matter.

If you're gonna be like a Call of Duty-style Juggernaut, atleast use an MK46/48, they're lighter in weight.

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>>31958524
>>31958440
>>31958433

Atleast in the case for BF1, the ww1 metal armor is realistic and was an actual thing in ww1 too.

>>31959292
>realistic he says
>as he absorbs automatic fire running up a steep mountain slope

>>31959292
>bulet make holes in in WWI armor.
Yep this is realistic.

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>>31956694
Um, yeah... about that.

>>31956638
>So /k/ what's your verdict or thoughts on soldiers or a type of combat unit that's heavily armored and armed with "heavy" weaponry like LMGs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXQcHQ_MJXQ
You're talking about stormtroopers, basically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgUPo8LhAL4

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Are grenade launchers considered "heavy weapons?"

I know there's that one webm floating around with two heavily armored russian looking guys popping around a corner with a ballistic shield and a grenade launcher hitting a machine gunner's nest.

>>31959174
Nice tumblr meme fag.

>>31956638
basically the modern knight. Basically Strap a soldier with neck protection, helmet, 2 sets of AR-500 plates = Juggernaut

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>>31959537
MFW Those fucking ppl in the background
>suspected bomb in a bag
>better whip out phone and get a close near shot

Fucking natural selection man... stupid question, did the guy survive?

>>31956751
Welp that's probably the best post I'll see here so I'm gonna check out now while I'm still laughing

>>31962339
Unfortunately no T ^ T

RIP in peace

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/photos-show-the-moment-an-egyptian-officer-was-killed-when-a-bomb-detonated-while-he-was-tring-to-defuse-it

>>31959537
JEREMY RENNER BTFO

>>31959537
what good was that even that suit?

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>>31956751
Nice
Epic
I like it

>>31956751
>>31956751
>BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD


so why ain't there spaces when you said those mean black person words?

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I dunno man, I love the idea of juggernaut suits. However I am fully aware they have limited practical application. Honestly who doesn't mentally masterbait to the idea of a fucking suit of armor?

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>>31956638
You know how archaeologists uncover some totally impractical, unwieldy looking son-of-a-bitch when they excavate historical battlefields? You know how they call those bizarro weapons "ceremonial" weapons? I can imagine juggernaut loadouts being that exact same thing 600 years in the future.

>"Yo, why the heck is this guy in 100 pound armor? And why is his gun 30 pounds?"
>"I don't know, man. It was probably ceremonial."
>"Cool."
>"Okay,"

In all seriousness, if you really want to make it work, you're going to have to seriously overhaul that modern tech. You need carbon fiber reinforced ballistic plates with super-plastic kinetic shields. You're going to need super-plastic LMGs with telescoping ammunition and reliably backpack-fed. You're going to need rovers and recon vehicles for them to carry their fat asses around in. You're going to need shoulder mounted cameras with integrated HUD interface to account for zero neck mobility. You're going to need cooling fans and cooling pads located around the neck, thighs, lower back, and wrists. You're going to need to give this fat son-of-a-gun his own recon drones, because if you're going to invest so much money into this guy, then why the hell not? And you're going to have to buy this guy an extra large casket, because nobody wants to take all the armor off him when he dies, so they're just going to bury him like that for raisins.

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>>31956638
I have been SUMMONED!

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>>31956638
that shits pretty impractical unless youre EOD, you can go to redout T5 cut, for point man you can have a large suit. thats as far as you can go.

>>31963120
It has to be scalable and quick to remove .For example you want to cover large amounts of urban ground quickly and comfortably. You would not want to wear more then 20 lbs of equipment, excluding primary weapon. Keep your equipment modular. It's why pals webbing exists today.

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>>31963173
eh, not for SWAT or single purpose teams, they have uses for EOD suits and entry suits.

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>>31956662
plate armor is rendered completely useless by cavalry charges with fixed lances, that must be why noone ever wore plate armor in the past.

Wait a minute...

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>>31956638
I treat enough heat casualties already, thanks.

>>31963262
Quit being a bitch doc and jam that fucking camelback in my ass.

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>>31963262
They make cooling suits that have liquid cooling for the body. Two main problems with the system is that it has limited cooling capacity 45 minutes - 3 hrs pending climate. Next is power you need a 4-5 lb lithium polymer battery to keep a GOOD cooling system running for a couple hrs. EOD suits are just precursors to EXO suits we just need LiFePO4 stability with double the capacity with a 60% weight reduction of a typical Lithium Polymer Battery .

>>31962805
You feel safer...that's about it. It's like wearing a life preserver into a firefight.

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>>31963285
You want me to take the bite valve off, or do you intend to clench?

>>31962957
>warhammer power armor

Sorry to say this but the stuff the spees muhreens wear is not a good example of "better heavy armor". I mean just look at those damn pauldrons. I'm gonna let someone else who's more knowledgeable in this matter say as to why Space Marine armor is not really that good at all, in a realistic manner and not lore-wise.

>>31958401
It's not made to stop bullets, it's made to stop shrapnel moving the same speed and is a lot heavier than a bullet.

>>31962957
It's not going to work when there are no room for the arms, which appear to be completely robotic.

>>31963582
>>31964510

Please don't respond to 40k autismos.

>>31963345
For cooling suits I'd look towards and commission fursuit builders

Given that they need to make suits for people, they need a way to cool them down effectively. Give them a government contract or an idea for an armored suit and I guarantee you'd get the perfect cooling system for it

>>31956638
damn i havnt played mw2 in years

>>31956638
why do they have asthma inhalers

>>31965079
Those are flares they got in their vests silly.

>>31956638
GET SUM! XD

>>31957160
I COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ACTUAL EYES WERE FFFFFFFFFFUK

>>31956638
The idea that "heavy" infantry is useful in modern warfare is predicated on the false idea that combat is where wars are won and lost.

A soldier who puts all the weight they can carry into weapons and armor starts to get hungry very quickly, slow quicker still (if they want enough weapons and armor to get the job done), and fatigued quicker even still.

If all fighting took place in a single room with no cover, a guy in super heavy armor with super heavy weapons might be the best bet.

In reality, people generally have to move to where the fight is and do a lot of moving while in the fight to stay alive, the extra value added by larger individual weapon systems and heavier individual armor quickly disappears when the cost in combat effectiveness brought on by fatigue is factored in.

In a world of fully mechanized infantry or where the MULE (or similar) becomes widespread, troops will likely carry heavier weapons, armor, and more ammo but units like the juggernaut from MW2 won't be advantageous until armor technology makes a large technological leap such that it advances beyond weapons technology by a significant margin. This has not happened since the middle ages, and even then weapons tech rapidly caught up with armor because they exist as adversarial technologies and if nobody can kill eachother then nobody can win any battles and the profitability of war is lost.

TL;DR, super heavy infantry will likely never exist again because weapons technology has so far outpaced armor technology and it's a lot more weight effective now to pack a few armor piercing bullets than to fully cover onesself in armor that can resist regular bullets, let alone AP or API. Super heavy mechanized infantry might exist in the future as shock troops but would not be used in the way OP anticipates.

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>>31962290
1/10, get out.

>>31962805
It has a small chance of saving his life, or at least keeping his limbs attached at a longer distance than where you have to stand to disarm an explosive device if you're not using a robot or some shit

>>31956638
Imagine getting gang raped by a bunch of these guys

>>31956691
Don't you mean "its a solution looking for a problem"?

>>31956638
>Give guy fully enclosed thick metal armor
>Give him an engine and treads for better mobility
>Give him a giant fuck off smoothbore cannon for firepower
>Mount it on a turret for better aiming
>Give him two extra assistants to drive and load the gun
Thoughts?

>>31956671
>room clearing seems to be the only real reason to be heavily armored
not really, FIBUA needs you to be relatively unencumbered. If you look like the Michelin Man you're not going to fit through a rat run

>>31962805
Open casket for the funeral

>>31962805
keeps the bits together so you don't have to get a snow shovel out

>>31967900

I think you're on to something.

>>31956751
Let me guess.

>Drug enthusiast
>Daddy issues
>Sex addict
>Non-natural hair colour

>>31964510
>>31963582
>>31964903

...I know the wh40k picture is unrealistic. I just wanted to post a cool photo with my opinion because >posts with pictures get more (you)s.

I don't even like the warhammer crowd myself. The picture was completely unrelated to my post, other than for the fact that Space Marines also happen to wear body armor.

Why you have to bully me, anons? ;_;

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>>31956751
You, I like you.

>>31963035
Not this guy again....

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>>31963403
Get onto the cutting edge in treating heat casualties bro.. Ice rod + rectum = back in the fight.

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>>31959537
>filename

>>31968858
>>>
> Anonymous 11/10/16(Thu)09:49:24 No.31957238▶
>>>31956694
>Yeah, until you're cozied up next to something that obliterates you no matter what.

All jokes aside pic is for fun Would not wear the lower portion. I would use a frag neck gaiter so I can use my bone conduction headset with side IIIA plates. That helmet as configured weighs to damn much to be worn for more then 1-2 hrs tops detach it and put it back in the back pack. Go up to the next CQB point don it back on rinse repeat.

>>31969366

Please kill yourself.

Heavy infantry or mech walkers?

You be the judge

>>31963628
shrapnel is usually an irregular shape that catches more fibers of soft armor. this is why flak vests often aren't rated for actual bullets, even if weights and speeds of projectiles are the same
>lrn2 ballistic coefficient

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>>31967766

>>31968858
why did you respond you fucking newfag. get out

>>31956638
only good if u have inlines on

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>>31962846
Same.
>>31962957
>>"Yo, why the heck is this guy in 100 pound armor? And why is his gun 30 pounds?"
>>"I don't know, man. It was probably ceremonial."
It's a possibility. Also, tank-wearing guys aren't one-man armies. That kind of soldier needs lots of support.
>>31963218
Imagine that but being plates.
>>31963582
>>31964510
I think that's an alien-made robot in imitation of real speess mehrines. Also, marines pauldrons would be good if they were worn in the correct way: high enough to only clear your eyes, supported on automated pistons.
So it kind of only works with abundant scifi doses.
>>31964903
>mfw I wanted to post some termie armour

Say, you think something like Jin Roh could exist? Inb4 animu bullshit, I found it because I was looking for MG42 in that imfbdssdfjk page, and I happened to like the concept of a bullet-proof-ish guy from Juggernauts and those Hollywood shootout guys

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>>31967900
I GOT YOUR BACK, PAL

>>31956638
not a fan of being bludgeoned to death by bullets

>>31971356
>>31963218
... those aren't plates??

>>31963345
THE SPICE MUST FLOW

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>>31969490
A man can only carry so much protection

As in, there's a point when placing people inside a vehicle is the cost-effective solution, that's what I'm trying to say with >>31971577

>>31969775
Yet another newfag here, who's that guy and why is he hated? I thought /k/ was tripfag heaven - almost every thread has one.

>>31971610
he's some guy with a superiority complex because he blew a bunch of cash on a glorified paintball mask. that in itself would usually be tolerable, but building an internet persona around your operator cosplay is bretty gay. don't forget to sage

>>31971677
Doesn't look so expensive. Well...I've seen worse namefags making a persona around literally nothing but their attention whoring.
Say...does this operator cosplay look cool?

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if you're going to slap heavy armor on a grunt you might as well give him a powered armature underneath so he can walk faster than an upended turtle.

>>31962805
If he was a couple feet further away, or dealing with a smaller explosive he would've been alright.

That's like calling body armor useless for not stopping .50 BMG at close range.

>>31956751
I question the quality of your life and life choices, anon. That being said, I lol'd.

Take care of yourself anon

>>31965079
for when they get winded after taking 5 steps in all that armor

>>31956669
with the gear he has on, expect the need for only five

>>31963582
>lore wise
they use the XBOX HUEG pauldrons as a shield
>realistic wise
well i mean it barely covers shit

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>>31973333
oh cool quads and I forgot to post my pic. Basically this is how the armor is supposed to work.

>>31971881
but he was close enough to do his job, and dealing with that explosive so he wasn't OK
that's like calling EOD suits useful because you only consider ideal circumstances valid

>>31969490
>>31971577
The problem of man is not that he cannot carry enough armor, its that he cannot carry enough gun.

Even if the exoskeleton was strong enough to lift a 20-30mm autocannon, he would tip over from the bulk and the recoil. A mech becomes necessary when you need a walker with enough mass of its own to manhandle larger weapons.

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Yeah it's pretty impractical for military usages, and although room clearing and SWAT usage might be slightly less useless you all cannot lie how fugging cool it would be if it WAS somehow practical.

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>>31956638
Closeup of the Juggernaut's face. Curious /k, what type of ballistic mask and protective headwear the Call of Duty juggernaut wears?

>>31974717
H3At 5TR0K3 model 2's i believe

>>31974717
Kinda looks like skull shape mask imo, then again /K/'s gonna go full detail on how that and why the rest of the Juggernaut's gear and equipment is not realistically good.

>>31974725
Ok srsly, whats so heatstroke inducing about the juggernaut's armor? Doesn't look like it would.

>>31976148
lol ever worn even basic armor in the desert?

>>31959242
Do you know what you're talking about? the weight of the m240 has been drastically reduced in newer models such as the m240l

>>31976148
Not that guy but
>EOD suit: ~40 kgs (according to the hurt locker book)
>M240: 12-13 kgs
>Bulletproof helmet: probably 3+ kgs
>What appears to be an interceptor or something over top: 15 kgs with plates
>All the ammo, pouches and shit: at least 10 kgs
>Taking place in Kandahar in the middle of august: A dry heat averaging at around 35c with highs of 40c
think about it.

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Arm pic related with a LMG and you'd probably get better results without shards of armor flying everywhere.