>Trump agrees to pic related >NATO is disbanded and our

>>31953743
>Russia takes everything
>Sanctions lifted but due to years of corruption nothing is really gained by trading with them
>be known as the country that sold out our oldest allies
>no other countries willing to take a chance on us
>Putin laughs at Trump weakness
I mean, at least we'll have our actual Russian rifles so it's not all bad i guess

>>31953901
This. It's a black hole. It sucks and no matter how much shit you throw at it, it takes it all and gives nothing back.

Invade it? It will consume unimaginable amounts of men and material and return nothing.

Try to trade with it like a civilized nation? No amount of capital investment will get you a reasonable ROI unless you're dumping >50% into bribes, and if you're willing to throw that much money at criminals, why don't you go somewhere else where in Asia or Africa that same money will buy you so much more?

>>31953952
>Invade it? It will consume unimaginable amounts of men and material and return nothing.
Why would you ever invade Russia? They can barely feed themselves.

Blockade their ports and watch their "economy" work.

>>31954005
Iunno. The vatniks are out in force I don't understand how they "think" so I try to cover all the bases.

>>31953901

Why should we defend countries like Poland and Finland? What have they done for us? Bunch of back-stabbing socialists. How about they stop hiding behind our backs and learn to live in peace with Russia without provoking them every chance they get.

>>31953901
yeah man. how can we sell out all those arabs in europe that are slowly descending into 3rd world status

>>31954193
How are they back stabbing at all? For Poland: Because they've been there for us and they treat us fairly when it comes time to conduct business and trade and other shit, (not to mention Poland has been with us every step of the way, from Iraq, NATO, AFG and backed us politically when we needed allies, not to mention the Baltic nations too.) Fun fact: Soldiers from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania went into AFG with US units because many of them had served in the Soviet Army and fought there and thought that their expertise and experience in that war would help us in ours.

As for the Finns, they wer puppets of the Soviet Union until the mid 80s, then wised up and headed West with all due haste because they saw the Russian won't treat them with respect when dealing with them. And they don't hide behind our backs, they punch above their weight, literally dude open a book or google some stats and you'll see that Poland is consistently meeting NATO recommendations on spending and it's only getting larger. They're set to buy hundreds of JASSMS and potentially buy either AH-64 Apache Guardians or the Eurocopter Tiger.

Once again, read a fucking book, Russia has continually provoked and oppressed the Poles and Finns, does the Warsaw Pact mean anything to you? Once they realized the Soviets were headed the way of the dinos they jumped ship and were eager to go West.

>>31954222
We're talking about Eastern Europe here anon.

Or we could just slash the import bans and watch leftover Soviet tooling in literally everywhere but Russia do the work for us.

Bonus points for Norinco.

Daily reminder that Putin is a Feinstein tier gun grabber.

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>>31954193

t. Ivan Ivanov

Trump was probably the worst thing to happen to NATO ever.

>>31953743
>NATO pulls out
>All of Eastern Europe drops their pants and gets nukes ASAP
>???

>>31953743
>trump agrees to pic related

Nope. That would require the US to be a faggot and go back on its word.

Fuck that shit, vatty.

>>31954193
Poland was with us in iraq, taking a huge section of responsibility. They are our blood brothers. Fuck off, touch them and die.

>>31955705
NATO is not going anywhere, nor will trump leave it due to looking weak to russia (political suicide).

>>31953743
>t. I was born yesterday
Those US, sorry NATO bases in Eastern Europe are just going to be removed.
Because reasons.
And that's not going to make the US look weak and it's definitely not going to remove a credible threat and a 2nd front countering any potential ideas the vatniks might have.

>>31954501
While Finns fell in line when needed, they were far from puppets. Hell, after a certain point even Poland wasn't a puppet.

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>>31953743
I see nothing wrong with this

>>31954193
>US
>ever defended finland
>Poland
>not meeting spending requirements easily
the state of American education

>>31954005
>Blockade their ports and watch their "economy" work.
POISON THEIR WATER BUILD THE LADDERS PREPARE TREBOUCHET

>>31954193
>Poland and Finland are backstabbing socialists
>not Russia though

???

>>31955771
And we will be with them in case of muh "Russian invasion"

>>31954193
I'm sorry not enough of those treacherous Polish and Finnish family had to die of starvation , for the champions of the people at the Kremlin could enjoy their expensive lifestyle.

We will try harder under the shining light of USSR 2.0 of Premier comrade Putin

>>31954193
Their very existence offends Russia. How do you deal with that?

Who gives a shit? NATO existed in the first place because communism was an existential threat to the US, now that it's gone all that's left is a country with limited territorial ambitions on the other side of the globe. You guys still worried that if they take over Estonia that will somehow snowball into a Red Dawn scenario of Russian paradropping over Virginia?

Russia will not invade Poland and Finland.

There's no point to.

>>31956641
No, they do not.
>>31956612
Nice war mongering.

The EU is the USSR 2.0.

>>31956675
nice meme

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>>31953743
>Vintorez
I wonder how one will try to justify a purchase of a full-auto suppressed marksman rifle with a subsonic ammo made of tungsten carbide.
>hunting (bloodsuckers)
>self protection (from Monolith)
>freedom (because Duty sucks)

>>31956545
You are an idiot. A complete moron.
Do you remember how much east Germany and the reunification cost us? How much do you think will the borders of 1912 cost? Stop being a fool, start letting sovereign nations be sovereign. The reason why this country is not a super power any more is because of expansionism in the early 20th century. Berlin was pretty much on par with New York and Washington DC in culture and importance before the great war. The only way to ever get this country back to serious significance is through recognizing foreign sovereignty and internal freedom. We have to work on our red tape and spineless politicians, not on where and how borders run. Freedom makes people prosper. The more, the better. You wanna MGGA? Start investing in education and allow stem cell research. Get American companies to pay their fucking taxes. Get rid of the lobbyists in brussel and make the EU a democratic and capable institution, allow the migrants to get learnt and have judges finally hand out sentences for underage idiots beating up other kids.

t. German with a brain.

>>31956752
Well said

>>31953743
Except he doesn't want to disband NATO, he wants nations to honor the 2% agreement or else they can look forward to delayed or lessened support from America in case of Article 5.

>>31953743
Trump doesn't have that power, congress does.

>Russia taking Poland, Finland and rest of Ukraine
lol wat a joke
they wouldn't even be able to afford holding Estonia for more than 3 days of resistance

>>31954193
>poland
>socialist
>one of most important countries in NATO
yes.

>finland
>provoking Russia
>US ever being there for Finland
yes. thats why we Finns are in NATO am i right??? its also why we were considered soviet camp in the cold war right??


american education comrades.

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>>31956752
>I take every shitpost super serious and write a whole novel to show I'm too stupid to spot a troll
>t. I'm a faggot

>>31954539
The bans aren't something we can unilaterally slash, Trump in the White House or not.

>>31956924
I know you're not used to actual discussion on /pol/, but people are more than willing to type out a handful of sentences or make arguments that aren't just "Cuck numale!" on other boards.

>>31956958
Op's pic is clearly bait expecting a serious discussion on restoring a pre 1914 eastern Europe is pretty hilarious. Apart from the that I don't want those borders back nor am I a /pol/ poster. Your point on spineless politicians and tax evasion is something I agree on. About Brussel we have to either continue our current way and make the EU finally a powerful tool to strengthen Europe or take a step back and just stick with the trade union. But what we need to do about the migrants is do decide if we want to keep the useful ones or finally make it clear that their stay temporary, because that is what is tearing Germany apart and strengthens people like PEGIDA or the AfD, those people who actually want shit like 1914 borders.

>>31954193
Poland and its scrotum (some 2 slav countries that used to be one, chesslovakia or some shit) will be the only European thing left in europe.
Finland is a depressing lake riddled forest with some inhabitants, not much else. Leave those 2 alone.
Fuck the rest

>>31953743
nah i still think Finland and Russia are to wildly different things. Also that would mean end of Sako. So please put Finland out of this

>trump agrees to pic related

KAISERREICH WHEN

>>31953743
>pic related
>Bults and Poles in Russian domain
Russians will not agree to this.

>>31956697
Do you think filling out a joke NFA application like that disqualifies you from making a real one later?

>>31956675
Yes they do, Russia still has a pre-WW1 thought process on sovereignty regarding small countries, that they should exists solely to be used by Great Powers. To them, the very fact that those nations are alive and kicking and NOT in bed with Russia makes them made and fuels the whole butthurt that Russians are constantly complaining about.

this
>>31956752
education is tied directly into how a nation prospers.

>>31955705
Fuck NATO. American troops for American soil, American money for American citizens.

>>31957413
Or maybe they just want some buffer states to prevent western encroachment.

Na, when has the West EVER invaded Russia?

>"Let's make America great again by allowing our sphere of influence to shrink!"
Literally uwot?

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>>31953743
>Trump agrees to pic related
All of the sudden, Europe is fixed.

>>31954005
>Blockade their ports
All three of them? They use railroads.

>They can barely feed themselves
This is not true. Most of Russian import is machinery.

>>31957437
Well considering we have interests all around the globe that would be a hit to our economy to do that, not to mention other nations would see us as a shitty ally and would therefore not take a chance on us financial due to shiftyness, which would hurt our economy even more.


>>31957445
>Na, when has the West EVER invaded Russia?

When nation states or leaders made retard tier decisions and decided to invade. Even Hitler and Napoleon's generals saw it as a horrible idea. The fact of the matter is that Russia has continually meddled in the affairs of Eastern Europe for centuries and gets mad when called out for the shitty practices they do there and it finally came to a head when it's former satellite states saw the writing on the wall and bailed.

Answer me this: Do you think it's possible the some Eastern European nations just don't want to be associated (read: controlled) by Russia? That's what driving these former Warsaw Pact nations west.

Good thing Trump came into office and will start pressing on other NATO countries with less than 2% GDP defence budget.

Since I fall under those maybe new toys or a better pay will come soon, as leaving NATO after being in it for so some years is considered political suicide.

>>31957047
>because that is what is tearing Germany apart and strengthens people like PEGIDA or the AfD, those people who actually want shit like 1914 borders.
And Trump wants to nuke ISIS and Russia and ban disabled people from gouvernment buildings.
ok.

>>31956924
>I was merely pretending

>>31958021
>And Trump wants to nuke ISIS and Russia and ban disabled people from gouvernment buildings.
source this, fagget

>>31953743

Thanks for Correcting the Record.

How are you people still employed?

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>>31953743

>Muh previous bodily fluids