>no gunz on mars >nuclear war happens on Earth and people

Mars fucking sucks as a destination. Alcubierre drives when?

>>31892423
>he doesn't want to go on a Martian Crusade
baka desu senpai

>>31892405
VC could make 1911 clones in fucking spiderholes, but you think a bunch of fucking engineers couldn't figure out how to make an AR-15 on an entire planet's worth of resources?

Guns aren't magic, people made them before Calculus existed. Anyone who qualifies to go to mars could do the math (at the very least) to design one.

>>31892474
OP is one of those Fagbook "I Fucking Love Science" fags.

>>31892405
>no one brought info on how to make them because gunz r bad
>society evolves to the point where you can terrafor mars
>we still depend on hard copies of data in order to learn about something

you may want to have some less thin veils next time you want to discuss gun control and dumb liberals, dear /pol/friendo

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>>31892500
>I fucking Love Science
>I fucking hate Math

NORMIES

>>31892474
Okay so how about this, in addition to nobody bringing knowledge of how to make guns and no way to contract Earth, the colonists decide to never make guns or share the knowledge with their descendants so that they can become a peaceful society.

>>31892524
See >>31892531
And I'm not trying to be /pol/. Elon said that he wouldn't allow guns to be taken to Mars.

>>31892530
math is fun desu
I like how there's a definite answer at the end of an equation. libshits can't obfuscate that.
they try though
>captcha: common core
thats spoopy

>>31892531
If anything a colony might not have the resources to manufacture firearms (or more importantly, ammunition).

But to imagine they lost the knowledge is hilarious. I could probably spend $50 at home depot and build a zipgun. Guns are simple.

it's ammunition that's hard.
If there's no Sulfur (for example), and no heavy industry bp/smokeless would be very hard to manufacture, and shipping ammo from Earth would be prohibitively expensive.

But I'm pretty sure Mars' gravity is only about 60% of Earth's, and with no (or little atmosphere) you could probably throw a rock hard enough to either kill a person or crack their suit.

>>31892547
Elon is a businessman whose sole power is his celebrity status, he has no control over what every other organization would take over.

>>31892530
Math is great. The math they teach in schools isn't math. It's fucking regurgitate formulas.

>>31892579
>you could probably throw a rock hard enough to either kill a person or crack their suit.
Low gravity doesn't magically make you stronger.

Weapons on Mars will be killer macrobot swarms of miniature self-guided self-powered projectiles and electronic warfare on a scale we can just barely imagine.

>>31892648
>low gravity (38% of Earth)
>same mass lower weight

Imagine throwing something with the ballistics of a a Gallon of Milk's worth of mass (roughly 8.5 lbs) that only weighs as much as a head of cabbage (a little over 2 lbs).

F=ma

if m stays the same but a increases, F will increase

>>31892405
If Cody is lucky enough to get sent i'd see him making a gun on Mars but nothing spectacular

People have figured out that Musk wants mars colonization asap because there'd be a big and only market for electric cars on mars and he or his company stand to profit hilariously right?
Because there wont be oil on mars and transporting gasoline to mars for vehicular use is A1 retardation.

>>31892405
guns aren't that hard to manufacture. if you have the manufacturing resources to subsist on the surface of mars, you can make an effective shotgun easily.

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>>31892405
>no guns on mars
Come and take it

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>>31892583
>whose sole power is his celebrity status

Also the means to get there?

Or do you have a Martian rocket laying around ?

>>31893541
>Stage 2 Altitude
>Decreasing
What??

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I hope when we colonize Mars it's used as a Forge World

>>31893568
Impkying you know anything about rocket science

>>31892531
>the colonists decide to never make guns or share the knowledge with their descendants so that they can become a peaceful society.
Uh huh, because we were such a peaceful people before guns were invented.

>>31892936
Wat.

The damage done by whatever you throw still would only be a function of your own strength. In low gravity environments, you could throw farther. Not faster or harder, but farther. Only because the object you threw would fall to the ground slower, and for no other reason.

>>31893647
>objects have no acceleration after they leave your hand

INTERSTELLAR IS THE BEST MOVIE

IT HAS SO MUCH LE SCIENCE

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>>31893673
Science expert here. I fucking LOVE science and atheism

>>31892423
This.
Mars is a yuge waste of resources.

>>31893602
Implying you know why the 2nd stage altitude is decreasing at that time.

>>31893673
Interstellar is objectively a good movie. Mostly due to the soundtrack.

>>31893657
Yes, that's correct. A gallon of milk can't magically propel itself once the force of you throwing it stops. After it leaves your hand the only forces acting on it are ones that will decrease it's acceleration, like air resistance, gravity, etc.

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>>31893723
The sea level is rising. duh

>>31892531
You say that like we haven't been killing each other long before guns existed.

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>>31893766
>what is inertia

>>31892405
elon is actually pretty fucking progun.

>>31892531
Garden of Eden In Jurassic Park Fallacy.


Nature has a way and one guy will figure it out as a sudden atroke of genius or years of a muse inspiring them through vague dreams.

Once again, our caveman ancestors randomly invented knives, axes and maces, spears, bow, arrows, slings, torches, lanterns, clothing and etc. despite being dumber than shit.

>>31892405
Elon musk is smart, but god damn is he an autistic troll.

>>31893657
>>31893916
nigger are you dumb?

a moving objects kinetic energy is solely dependent on its mass and its speed. that's it.
lower gravity means it doesnt fall to the ground as fast. it doesnt magically change the mass of the object, and it doesnt make you capable of throwing things at higher speeds than on earth either.

>>31893916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7COUk5eh6jY

>>31893999
>objects thrown in an arc lad slower than the left the hand

come on nigger, you know better than that.

If I can impart the same energy into an object with lower weight, I can throw it harder.

If I throw it in an arc its speed will peak at the peak, and it will accelerate back toward the surface, into the skull of whatever martian I'm trying to kill

>>31893999
You goon wasted nice trips.


Take a brick for example.

The brick has a set amount of mass, no matter where it is- we agree on that.

On earth, a brick weighs (say for example purposes) 5 pounds.

On mars (again, example, not actual numbers) let's say the brick weighs 2.5 pounds.

What can you throw faster/harder/further? Something that weighs 2.5 pounds or 5 pounds?

The energy imparted on whatever the brick hits remains the same if it's traveling the same speed.

BUT, If you throw the brick faster/harder on Mars because it's light as fuck, then it's going to be able to impart more energy because it's travelling faster. It's mass doesn't change- only the speed and the weight do.

(Clue- weight is different than mass)

>what is simple physics

>>31892547
I didn't realize he owned an entire planet. Elon can get fucked.

>>31892464
I wanna go to one of those planets with a atmosphere like earth's

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>>31893456
this

>>31892531
Actually they will have Skype on mars

rail guns, crossbows, pneumatic dart launchers, air guns, melee weapons, poison gases.

you don't need to do much to kill someone on Mars. just expose them to the lack of atmosphere and oxygen, or take advantage of them being trapped in enclosures.

>>31894316
except you can't do live conversations. you have 8 light minutes or latency and low bandwidth.

>>31894371
>lack of atmosphere
nigga what

>>31894379
>quantum entanglement communication

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT niggah!

>>31892500
ifls always seems to attract the unintelligent type who believes that they're intellectuals that can offer their unique view on society, best done in the form of long facebook posts

>>31892405
>nobody knows how to make guns and no one brought info on how to make them because gunz r bad :(((
They are on Mars, but don't have the internet?

>>31894140
>if I'm in outer space where everything has no weight I can throw the brick at undefined speed right since it weighs nothing

kinetic energy = (mv^2)/2
where m is MASS not WEIGHT, if it were weight, objects moving in space would have 0 kinetic energy, which is obviously not true

if m is the same as earth, and kinetic energy is the same as on earth, velocity will also be the same

obviously, gravity is a lot weaker, so it will accelerate downward at a slower rate than on earth, but this will only affect the distance you can throw the brick
(also I'm pretty sure you know that any kinetic energy lost to increasing gravitational potential energy will be gained when the object comes back down)
(from a kinematics point of view which will probably make more sense to you, any upward velocity lost while going up will be gained back as downward velocity on the way down)

And don't start going off on how the kinetic energy will be different, the brick's final kinetic energy (after you finish applying force), assuming the initial velocity is 0 before you start pushing on it,
will be equal to the work you do on it, which you can agree is the same on earth as on mars as in outer space.

>>31892423
Whenever we figure out how to manufacture exotic matter.

Which is kinda skipping the step of actually proving it exists first.

>>31893048
Air-guns would probably see increased effectiveness, thin gravity = less drag so higher velocities at farther ranges, and low gravity = flatter shooting at longer ranges.

Only have to put an itty bitty hole in one of those suits to take them out of the fight.

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>>31892547
> Elon said that he wouldn't allow guns to be taken to Mars.

>>31893928
>elon is actually pretty fucking progun.


Any sources? I'm actually curious about his point of view.

>>31894958
bullshit, stop perpetuating this meme

>>31893715
Someone's never worked in IT; Mars is going to be Earth's backup drive.

>>31893723
The second stage was circularising its orbit and simply just passed apogee.

>>31893715
Doing anything in space is a waste of resources

Humans should stay on Earth, it's cheaper

>>31893766
>gravity decreases acceleration

>>31895237
Living in South Africa, I'd imagine he's very pro gun. As for the no guns on Mars thing, I need a source

>>31895378
So this is just your assumption?

>>31892547

Bringing guns for security inside of a pressurized housing colony is beyond fucking stupid. I shouldn't have to tell you why.

When we build housing space there deep underground to increase the magnitude of g, thermally insulate, and shield from radiation, then guns are a viable option for security.

>>31895281
>Someone's never worked in IT
Why would anyone want to do that?

>>31895308

You like KSP too?

>>31895477
enjoy your dubs and ban lmao

>>31892547
Then I'll make my own Mars-bound spaceship and terraformed colony with blackjack and hookers
And I'll let everyone bring guns so we can take over Elon's faggot settlement

>>31892405
>he thinks nuclear war would change anything on Earth
100 million of Americans died? So what? World will forget about this after couple years.

>>31895708
KSP truly is a wonderful tool for teaching orbital mechanics

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>>31895610

>>31895836
couple of years?
dude 9/11 was 15 years ago and we still milk it.

they blew up 2 buildings, we blew up 2 goddamn countries, and set that entire reigion on fire.

that was all for 3000 lives lost. 100million? yeah thats something murrica wont forget

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>>31895415
Elon avoids politics and topical issues. Has he made statements on guns one way or another?

As to the topic, anyone living in space knows newtons laws and would simply reinvent the gun. Maybe not an assault rifle, but powerful ranged weaponry for sure.

>>31896013
>yeah thats something murrica wont forget
The would be no america. But world wouldn't care. Chong qing ping pong.

>>31892547
>allow
didn't know the ouen was omniscient. better not even try to smuggle, bribe, or ride a fridge into Mars because Elon Musk won't allow you.

>>31894128
It's not weight that matters, though, it's mass, which is independent of gravity.

Musk does not own Mars

Try and stop me from bringing my guns onto mars with no guns faggots.

>>31896032
America disappearing doesn't also magically grant the chinks the ability to project force beyond their immediate neighbors. Though one does wonder what would happen to Europe without America there to prevent it from genociding itself.

>>31896879
Russia would steamroll it and north africa

>>31896879
Presumably Western Europe, Japan, and South Korea start to nuke really really hard.

>>31892405
Mars is old news. Venusian sky cities when?

>>31894420
Mars has like 1 percent the atmosphere of earth, and it is all co2

>>31892531
Nigger they'd have to keep the science behind the vehicles that transported them there and fluid dynamics a complete secret if they had any hope of preventing the re-discovery of firearms/projectile weapons.

>>31892405
>The Martian, Kingdom of Heaven and Mad Max

>hand-to-hand fighting
>on a desert planet
>not thinking of Dune

>>31892531
>war...
>war never changes...

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>>31896879
Seeing what the hyper-leftists are doing to europe right now I dont think that at this juncture russia rolling into western europe would be an entireley bad thing.

very interesting documentary;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpYOyezyAY&index=3&list=PLUZGC9lUW5ZBfOIFWKQQs2b-CowPjQMsx

>>31895237
he has expressed his views about the constitution and America before and he believes that when something is powerful and potentially dangerous that it should be available to all people instead of held in the hands of a small group. his example was AI but he made a joke about it applying to gun control.

>>31894927
You don't know what you're saying.

Mars will be where the New United States is made.

It will truly be a country by the people, for the people.

>>31897659
wait would be or wouldn't be?

>>31892405

>i believe in global warming, the earth is dying, i'm going to move to an already dead rock

What these globalists really know is that the wrath of God is coming and they think moving off the planet will save them.

>>31895237

Same as all the trash like him; he's for having armed security and his own guns but against plebs owning their own guns and having access to armed security.

>>31893647
Make spear.
Throw spear at space-dindu.
Spear still moves fast enough to kill space-dindu, but thanks to lower gravity, can be thrown for long distance.
Paint spear black.
Ban assault spear, think of the chillen.

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>>31892531
>>31892547
Humanity didn't start with guns, they started with rocks.

If anything, a nut job colonist would engage in even more violence than usual with pic related. How do Libs sleep at night when they could have their head bashed in fifteen times to crack their head open like an egg?

What are you nuts? I'd fucking sneak em in with heavy cargo. Its not that hard to stick a gun in a towel, jam it in a pipe and stick the pipe with the rest of the pipes.

>>31896879
Europe is just due for a citizen insurgency, like the French Revolution. The politicians became the monarchy.

>>31895546
>Building deep underground for more g
Wat.
The force pulling you towards Mars does not increase the further you go down. It is at its highest on the surface. The further you get down, the closer you get to equilibrium, I.e. mars mass trying to pull you apart - virtual zero gravity.

Seriously.

Apart from that, if Musk does not want guns on mars, /k/ shall conquer venus (kek, you autistic virgins). 1.1bar atmosphere, 1.1g surface gravity. Closer to earth it does not get. And while faggots will tell you there is no water left, there is enough in the solar system. All you need to do is bind the carbon in the atmosphere in to some sort of carbon fibers, or nanotubes, to cool the planet down. From there on, you can just mimic earth's evolution. Green party faggots will get angry because you're fucking with a potential ecosystem, but fuck them. One /k/ continent coming up within the next 500 years max. Breathable air, water, blue sky and everything and even the US will find it difficult to fuck with you because their threats will be very, very costly to back up. I welcome you to a new frontier, /k/ommandos.

>Inb4 nukes
If the US is stupid enough to nuke a foreign planet, then they will fall. They have no chance whatsoever against the industrial output of a fucking planet, much less it's allies on the old world.

>>31896792
>Try and stop me from bringing my guns onto mars with no guns faggots.
It's a long walk, buddy.

>>31894600
>kinetic energy = (mv^2)/2
Not that guy you are replaying to. But, nigger, v would be higher, go back to school.

>>31892562
Agreed. I find more comfort in solving kinetic, dynamic, and economical equations in pharm school than I do studying guidelines for CKD or internal bleeds.

>>31897768
I heard all that except of
>he made a joke about it applying to gun control

Got any source on that? I would be grateful.

>>31895237
No he's not.

He's a Liberal government money grabber. Made billions with Obama in the Office.

>>31894474
We're FAR from that, but with elastic cloud computing and a lot of money, we will discover it faster.
Same with Alcubierre.

>>31895546
>>31895546
>>31895546

And if you need to defend against aliens, what the fuck do you do without guns?

>>31893594
Yes your picture is correct.
Anything 40k plus the face of autism.

>>31902161
*is.
I really fucking hate auto-correct.

>>31893048
Plenty of iron on Mars. By the time we get there, we'll probably have portable laser cannons and railguns, and knowledge of how to build them will be widespread.

You don't need guns when you have a sledgehammer and demolition charges

>>31902233
I too liked red faction

>>31893916
not acceleration?

You could argue that if the target is lower than the thrower, there is net positive acceleration from gravity, but you didn't even make it that far.

>>31897100
Probably never.

The problem with floating cities on Venus is that you'd have to bring the whole city ready-made to Venus. You can't land and mine/manufacture in place like you can on Mars.

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>>31892547
>And I'm not trying to be /pol/. Elon said that he wouldn't allow guns to be taken to Mars.
Could just be a safety measure. Lord knows we don't need some moron NDing next to a window and killing half the crew on the ride there.

A colonized moon will be a fascist society and they will eventually seek to colonize the Earth.

>>31903745

You can move the materials from Earth for a fraction of a cost. The trip to Venus is shorter and safer.

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Biggest problem is gravity. Nobody knows how a lower-gravity would affect the development of space kids. It is even possible that humans can't breed in space. There are potential solutions but they require some crazy engineering: like building a permanently spinning city on a ring.

>>31903865
.....fffffffFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>>31892531

They'll just use self-replicating warmachines instead. From nanobots to full combat robots. The end of the age of flesh is near.

There are no economics incentives to make a self-sustaining colony on Mars without massive investment first. This project will die as soon as Elon Musk dies.

>>31906233
i'm still waiting on the moon base that the us/Japanese proposed a while back

>>31892405
>the 3D printers sent to mars won't be able to manufacture guns

Lmao

>>31892583
Musk wants to be the Martian Andrew Ryan and create his own Rapture on Mars. I expect it to end similarly.

>>31906280
But can it manufacture boolit?

>>31894316

Skypes?

But wouldn't they try to push for an anti gun agenda on Mars to make the people easier to control like what they're doing in America right now?

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>>31903865

>>31892547
>implying that faggot can stop me
I'd love to see him try.

>>31908105
>that "oh dearie me" hand on the forehead+face
he knows damn well why hes got that bonner

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>>31895718
what did he post?

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>>31892531
>people will be fighting with medieval weapons
>no guns means a peaceful society

>>31892423
LANKIES

>>31901864
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/321440099348934656

>>31893541
kek, have fun putting your life into the hands of elon musk and his poorly treated work force

>>31892547
see this>>31896594

>we should put guns on Mars
Do we allow guns on nuclear submarines? Because that's the closest situation we have right now to life on another planet. Even then you're only under for like 6 months, not AN ENTIRE LIFETIME.

>>31910164
Ok I just googled it and they are allowed according to the almighty internet. Makes sense since they're soldiers and vetted tighter than the presidency apparently.