Are serrations useful on tactical knives, or knives that would

>>31887766
>it can cut stuff better than just a straight edge
>is it useful?
No not in the least.

Are you implying that you only ever have to cut rope in rescue scenarios? Or that theres no utility to be had from being able to saw shit?

>>31887781
The fuck you going to saw with such a tiny worthless thing? Just get a ropesaw or something.

>>31887781
for a rescue scenario, I'm thinking more along the lines of cutting through seatbelt material, webbing to administer first aid, things like that.

>>31887775
but can it though?

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>>31887766
More painful. Cuts bone and saws through hard shit like that better than most knives would slice it.

But yeah, mostly a meme since those are the only couple of advantages.

>>31887793
Yes, our good friend physics says that a serrated blade will cut better than a flat blade of equal sharpness.

>>31887809
in a practical sense, as in actually using the thing and not analyzing it's potency at the molecular level, are serrations worth the blade real estate? Or are you better off with a fully plain edge razor sharp blade

>>31887809
>of equal sharpness
Real fun trying to maintain as sharp and edge on those serrations as you could on a simple knife.

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if you had to buy one, would you buy the plain edge version or serrated?

>>31887820
If you're doing any amount of sawing, a serrated blade is better than a flat one.

>>31887824
There are tools that exist that allow you to sharpen serrated blades. This is a knife serrated blade, so if you're dulling it with everyday use, stop trying to cut down trees and buy a saw.

>>31887847
Why not just be smart and buy a saw in the first place?

>>31887831
Plain because I have a sharp edge fetish and sharpening serrations sucks.

>>31887820
flat blades are easier to sharpen, serrated blades will grip slippery surfaces or get you through dense thick material like tree branches, if you need that

>>31887824
>>31887859
git gud instead of bitching about how hard it is to sharpen serrations

pro-tip: it's not hard

>>31887849
>oh no I have been put into a situation where I require the use of a saw but only have my knife
>my knife has come with a serrated blade oh praise be to [religious deity xyz]
>I shall now use this to help me survive this situation
>wow, thanks serrated blade knife!
IFF you somehow get stranded, its good, if you buy it as your primary tool to cut down trees you need to reevaluate your life.

>>31887790
Well yeah, obviously I'd rather have something better suited for it, but it's better than not having it period

It really, really, really does not matter in the slightest.

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>>31887874
How about a multitool instead?

its not really for sawing, guys... you aren't sawing shit with 2'' of serration... its for slicing through fibrous materials quickly. small tasks. nobody is going to be taking this dagger into the jungle and hunching over to vigorously saw apart sticks for kindling.

>>31887799
Why is that dog in a bucket of water

serrations are more useful, but knife people who spend 1k on knives but are too stupid or lazy to bother sharpening serrations tend to dislike them for dubious reasons, especially when its just a small area on the knife.

>>31887887
If OP was asking for a multi tool I would have pointed him to a quality leatherman. But lo! Op requested a sheath knife! So I have advised him on a sheath knife with serrations to give his blade multiple roles! Huzzah!

>>31887874
Do imagine up a scenario like this for me because I can't imagine anything that you would need to saw with a serrated knife that you couldn't get by with a plain edge.
Like, will it be essential to my survival that I must cut through a rope one second faster? Will I have to saw a single stick in half for kindling before I die of hypothermia? Will I be moments away from death by starvation yet not so uncivilized as to eat my steak without cutting it?

Serrations belong on bread knives. They only get put on other knives because they look cool.

>>31887908
So, a regular blade can saw through kindling or branches quicker than a serrated one? TMYK.

>>31887903
>Multiple roles such as cutting shit, but also cutting other shit slightly differently

>>31887918
Go saw a branch with a straight edge knife. Let me know how long it takes.

>>31887887
this has always been my way of thinking
don't have serration on the main knife, because I have a separate serrated knife on the multitool
>>31887781
you don't cut rope so often that you need to have serrations on your main knife, and frankly I can cut most rope with a plain edge, I've rarely cut a rope and thought "oh man I need serrations for this", I've used a plain edge for ropes many times without problems

>>31887799
for sawing through bone, use an actual saw
and if you have the beforementioned multitool, you have a saw
if hunting I always bring a saw

>>31887916
I can break kindling with my hands. If there is brush in my way that is small enough for my 1 1/2 of serrations I will push it aside. Why the fuck would I want this?

>>31887921
You go saw a little bitty branch. I can't figure out why this sawing is something you would do. No partially serrated knife is going to saw a branch worth sawing. Even *sawback* knives don't saw anything worth sawing.

>>31887925
Have you ever tried cutting down shit and building things? Cutting a walking stick? Cutting off limbs to use your climbing stand? Quickly sawing through an inch+ live tree branch is indefinitely better than trying to chop at it.

>>31887921
use an actual saw for that

>>31887941
>I never have to use this tool to do things that you do
>so I'm going to shit on the tool because I've never been faced with the problem
Tripfags ladies and gentlemen.

>>31887957
The point is when you don't have easy access to a saw. It'll get the job done, will it be as easy as with a saw? No. But hey, beats whacking at it with your knife fucking the blade because the new trend is to have it razor sharp and treat it like a box cutter.

>>31887887
>>31887903
>Just buy a leatherman

Why are there so many fucking models?
Am I supposed to go with a wave, a surge, or go full retard with a mut eod?

>>31887948
Have you been chained in an attic your entire life or something? Who in their right mind buys a 2" partial serration to cut things down and build shit?
>indefinitely better

>>31887984
Wave

Answer is always wave

>>31887831
It does look weird without the serrations.

>>31887984
you look at the models and figure out which selection of tools is most useful to you
personally I got a Wave because I like the tools on that one, and the Wave is very popular because it covers a lot of needs.

>>31887986
My god, the myths are true. Tripfags are actually retarded. Or do you always pack a hacksaw up your ass? If for some reason youre camping or what have you and you need a modest piece of wood cut for.. in your case cutting a pole to fly the lgbtq flag over your campsite then it'll get you out of a bind IF YOU DONT HAVE A SAW WITH YOU. If you DO have a saw with you then use that.

>>31887972
I'm loving the mental image of you working feverishly at a branch for four hours with 1" of knife.

I don't clean my car with a toothbrush or bake a pizza with a hair dryer so I guess I'm just a faggot

Use the right tool for the right job.

>>31887984
Surge is pretty much just a bigger wave with a few more tools. Can get a bit more strength into the cutters as well, but that's about all.
Go for the Wave.

>>31887948
>an inch+ live tree branch
you can break these things off with your hands
if it's too tough, you don't have to chop with the knife, you can carve into the wood with your plain edge master knife and make it weaker before you break it off

it's quicker and easier

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>>31888009
>If for some reason youre camping or what have you and you need a modest piece of wood cut for
I sure as fuck wouldn't use a piece of shit 1inch serrated blade for it. Either get a saw, or hack it with a proper blade.

>>31888016
>you can break these things off with your hands
Live branch you fucking faggot.

LIVE

>>31888023
>if you don't have a saw with you
>itll get you out of a bind
>missing these key aspects

>>31888009
>Tripfags are actually retarded.
You might be the retard here, you're the first person I've ever seen suggest that you use the serrations on a knife for woodworking. That's not what those serrations are for!
> do you always pack a hacksaw up your ass?
hacksaws are for cutting metal, at this point I guess you're just trolling us?

anyway, a small folding saw weighs almost nothing and would be worth the extra space it takes because it's so much better than a serrated knife if your goal is to cut branches and small trees

>>31888049
hacksaw/bow saw used interchangeably, its wrong and I need to break the habit. Also, did you happen to see the part where it said
>if you don't have a saw with you
by chance?

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>>31888036
Except no, no it doesn't. The fucking saw on that blade is so fucking small, you'd get better results hitting the back of your blade with a log or stone and cutting the wood like that. Only you can't use the knife in OP like that because it's not meant to be a bush knife.

>>31888032
Like I wrote, take your knife and carve into the branch. I've done that myself and broken branches with this method.

>muh "get you out of a bad"
your serrations will get in your way when you want to do other knife tasks that a plain edge is meant for

>>31888023

this knife I must have

>>31888065
Place a custom order to a Finnish knifesmith.

>>31888064
>fucking about shucking the branch
K?
Also, what do you do that requires the full length of the knife and would be made impossible with serrations present?

>>31888062
>Get you out of a bind

>>31888090
What is this magical bind you're talking about?

>>31888061
you have options with a straight edge knife
>if it's a big knife you can chop with it
>if it's a regular sized knife you can baton the branch

I'm not a huge batonfag, but in a survival situation with no saw I'll do it.. and batoning your wood is easier than sawing with some serrated blade.

>>31888096
Gee, when you dont have a saw and need something sawed that cant be broken or cut as easy?

>>31888101
I can't imagine a single situation where I could use that shitty fucking 1 inch saw on that blade where I couldn't baton or just cut what needs to be cut.

>>31888084
ok, so weakening the branch with a few cuts is """fucking about""", but sawing it with a serrated blade is not...

you just insist on using the least effective methods

>>31888109
Over extended cutting above your head. Cutting in a hard to reach place, cutting something you can't get a full swing into.

>>31888123
Still having trouble imagining just where in the fuck I would do any of those things.

>>31888128
Because youre in a bind? Woah.

>>31888133
I repeat
>>31888096

>>31887766
For "tactical" knives yes. For bushcraft or survival knives, no.

>>31888134
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/in-a-bind

>>31888145
So which meaning of the idiom are you implying here? The one that's used on a daily basis that means a troublesome situation, or the original usage by loggers that's used by absolutely nobody (except loggers) these days.

>>31888152
Sarcasm is unbefitting those with densities such as yours.

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>>31888160
I have no fucking idea what you're trying to imply. What kind of bind are you thinking of where you would truly need a shitty knife like that?
Why can't you explain this?

>>31888123
and the idea that straight edge knives won't work in these situations is completely false

>>31887831
Plain.

Use the right tool for the right job inatead of over ambitous jack of all trade, master of none options. A saw back on a machete is a pour substitute for having a real wood saw.

But once again, unless you are in the business of killing sentries, then you have a useless dagger that's not going to look good in court.

Get a clip point bowie like knufe and you can spin it that you are a fishermen or hiking enthusiast.

Basically it's just like how black furniture and a pistol grip on a mini 14 makes it a scary assault rifle but the non pistol grip wood is okay.

>>31888167
Where you finding that extra force to swing the light knife to make any progress?

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>>31888160
M'lady

>>31887874
Then get a leathermen l, gerber or any other multi tool or pocket knife folder that has two blades; a plain and a serated, or better yet a plain blade and a saw.

I carry a swiss outrider and can conquer anything with it.

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>>31888165
>a situation requiring the tool you are currently in possession of
Hmm never thought of that one

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>>31888172

>>31887874
A serreted blade is useful for the rapid cutting or rope...if stranded on an island, you have plenty of time to work a plain edge back and forth or git gud with your cutting technique.

>>31888177
Did you misread something or are you just plain retarded? Serious question, you've not made any sense in like 10 posts now.
A knife like in OP might work in a tacticool setting, but it's pisspoor as a bush knife.
You should not buy a knife with a serrated blade like that expecting it to be capable of any work in the bush.

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>>31887766
They're good for cutting rope, I presume.

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>>31888178
Your mass and velocities aren't adding up there pal.

>>31887921
Use a saw retard, serreted knives are not for wood.

You'd dull and break the seration portion or worse bind abd slip off and cut your finger.

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>>31888195
>Your mass and velocities aren't adding up there pal.
>lifting does not increase mass
>increased muscle power does not increase velocity

>>31887948
You simply score it with your plain edge knife then snap it with your hands.

>>31888172
>implication being made a knife needs a ton of movement back and forth
you can cut by pushing it or slight movements

>>31887921
Much like many on /k/ are noguns, sone of you guys are noblades or don't go /out/.

I challenge you to film yourself cutting wood with a serrated knife.

>>31888200
>hyperextended swinging
>above your head

>>31888202
>cutting live wood simply by pressing into it

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>>31888204
75% of /k/ is noguns and 95% have never gone /out/. Trust me on this.

>>31887984
I'd say get a swiss tool instead.

>>31888207
>above your head
Get a ladder or a stool.

>>31888204
I've done it, it sucks, its better than nothing. If I have a saw with me, I'm using it, if I'm alone on some desolate fuckhole with nothing but a serrated knife, guess what I'm using?

>>31888217
The serrated knife, because you were dumb enough to buy and carry a shit bush knife with you into a bush situation. Bet the knife would be double-edged as well.

>>31888215
>I pack a ladder or stool with me on every camping trip

>>31888221
>i cut things high above my head on every camping trip
What the fuck do you imagine you'd be doing?

>>31888009
Go ahead then oh master of outdoors...go fucking saw wood with serrated knives instead.

Just shit all over generations of prooven survival experts a buch craft instructors who don't even saw wood in the first place if going with a single bushcraft knufe, machete or hatchet.

We need you to remove your genetics from the gene pool.

Please try to proove us wrong and die in the woods or cut your fingers.

>>31888220
This whole thing started because OP didn't want a bush knife. He wanted a tacticool knife, so a serrated would be better than no, now if he just wanted an outdoor knife then yeah, bush all the way. But that's not what he wanted. You remind me of an ARGlodite
>hey I want a small pocket folder
>NOPE, don't care what you want, you're getting a bush knife.

>>31888226
>he types with feverish twitching fingers showing levels of projection never before seen
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? Or did I insult your boyfriend?

>>31888217
You could learn to baton wood with a strait edge, you dumb sweaty and tired out faggot.

>>31888207
>cutting live wood simply by pressing into it
Yes! I've actually cut down branches by carving them (weakening them) and then breaking them off.

>>31888192
>Tanto point and serrations
Double the uselessness, together in one blade!

>>31888240
>30 seconds of sawing is enough to get you sweaty
Projecting?

>>31888230
Yeah and processing wood with a dagger is fucking dumb.

>>31888249
If its all he had, then no its not dumb, but hey, yeah he has a tool, but he shouldn't use it because it makes you mad, if he ever needs to cut something and he has that knife he should use his forehead before the knife.

>>31888230
No. This thing started by some anon claiming a plain knife wouldn't work where a serrated knife would. Then went on a bunch of damage control and goalpost moving about the different usages of serrated knives.

>>31888237
Eh, whatever kid.

You came in here not for learning.

Odds are OP has already bought his tacticool dagger with serations and is trying not to have buyers remorse by coming on here with his story.

>>31888258
>whatever kid
Ohh boy, damn, you showed me, Reddit have you on tenure?

>>31888253
He's dumb for buying a fucking dagger for anything except killing things (or playing around). Get a fucking multitool, not some tacticool sentry-killer.

>>31888263
If he wanted a multi tool I would have pointed him to a nice one, he wanted a fucking dagger.

>>31888248
>>31888237
We are dealing with the immature, who is not ready to deal with the truth

>>31888242
This. What he's saying is cutting a notch in the branch and tgen breaking it with your hands or leveraging your knee or foot on it.

>>31888266
And he is a mallninja moron.

>>31888230
Okay true though by that logic he should just buy one of those Gil Hibben knives. Not only is a combat knife a total fantasy in the modern era, but what the fuck are serrations supposed to do for "combat"

>>31888278
Congrats, but hey its what he WANTED. If he cared at all he would have spent time looking into it. But he didn't.

>>31887766
It's funny how knife threads are bumped when Europe wakes up.

It's only good for lacerating cord. If you need to stab a man, use the sharp point.

>>31888266
And later when a random hiker finds his bones years later, his dagger will be there stuck in a log or snapped in half to be a neat momento for said hiker or the cops/rangers who recover his remains.

>>31888282
Except OP came to this thread to ask about it. He never said he wanted to buy one.

>>31888286
Fine by me, just because he shit in his mess kit doesn't mean I'm the one eating it.

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>>31887766
>Are serrations useful on tactical knives,
In reality, knoif is not for killing people, it's a utlity tool for performing numerous tasks, usually very trivial.
I have used serrations in knifes countless times to cut belts, lines, zip-ties.
Yes, you can do it with normal blade, but you have to apply a LOT more force, and it's more dangerous - you are cutting a slippery surface. It is also better on cutting plastic.

So, I do not imagine NOT having serrations on my knoifs, be it folder or fixed blade.
It's all personal preference, but I think it's fucking stupid to not have them.

I also carry small, light, surgical scissors, because Im a "hueg fagget" that likes to perform his tasks comfortably.

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>>31887859
>and sharpening serrations sucks.
I used to have that too, but then I bought this fucker and now sharpening serrations is as easy as raping a Swedish woman while being a muslim "asylum sneaker".
I also have one that isn't a pen and is even smaller.

>>31888496
I have one as well...resharpening serations still suck. The angle has to be steeper and steeper each time and you really eat away at the knife.

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>>31888502
Try this then bro. Father-in-law liked to fuck with his guns, after he died I inherited a huge collection of those, he was old-school, in communist times there was little access to power tools for private use. Put the blade in the holder and play it like violin. :)

>>31888522
Mini jewlers files and files in general are great tools for a shtf.

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>>31888258
>>31888263
>>31888278
>>31888287
>>31888485
>>31888286
OP here. i wish this didn't get turned into a m-muh bushcraft thread. I have several bushcraft knives, including customs. I want to buy this knife in the OP, but I can't decide which to order. I don't plan on using it, but I'd like to buy the one which would theoretically be more practical in a tacticool situation. Not to use it, just because I appreciate the design and I'd like to have an Eickhorn.

>>31888620
>OP here. i wish this didn't get turned into a m-muh bushcraft thread
I don't think it did, Opfag.
I wouldn't recommend this knife though, because you really DO NOT need a stiletto knife. It's useless. Well, not useless, I had a very similar one for 10 years, but - you need a knife that's dull on the other side, in case you need to cut something that needs hammering down.

Single use tools suck when you have to carry everything, if you can make a small change to a tool and increase its utility then that is generally a good thing.

Are you implying that soldiers and 1337 operators only use their knives for stabbing baddies?

Stop being stupid OP.

>>31888662
He only fucking asked a question, stop trying to boost your morale by calling someone stupid, stupid! :P

>>31887766
>Are serrations useful on tactical knives, or knives that would see use by "combat operators" or whatever?

Well, since "tactical knives" have no practical use besides acting as factory edged totems for the impotent Jamal stabbing fantasies of fat mode aged white autists, the presence or absence of serrations isn't going to change much.

>>31887809

No. First of all, draw cuts are not the only kind of cuts that exist.

Push cuts also exist and a serrated knife will have close to zero push cutting ability.

Secondly, a plain edge actually is also serrated on a microscopic level according to the grit size of the abrasive used to sharpen it. A very coarse plain edge will simultaneously have more slicing aggression (without tearing) than a serrated knife, more push cutting ability, and be massively easier and faster to keep sharp on a coarse abrasive.

>>31887834

No. You just suck at sharpening. A very coarse plain edge will perform better at any cutting task for which a literal saw wouldn't be the right tool.

>>31887847

>Spend 60 minutes sharpening serrations with a specialized tool

No thanks, I'd rather use a coarse stone and have the edge fully resharpened in less than 60 seconds.

>>31887872
>git gud at wasting enormous amounts of time

No thanks.

>>31887897
You mean too stupid to waste tons of time sharpening serrations when I could just put a 140 grit edge on the knife in less than a minute

>>31887921
Go try it with a serrated knife and see how long it takes, moron.

>>31887948
>what is whittling?

Just be quiet.

Goddamn so many factory edge lords trying to justify their inability to sharpen in this thread. Typical really.

>>31888883
>The only thing I can afford is a Mora, the post

Seriously though, open your mind a bit and try steeling your edge before you keep just grinding all your knives away. I do the same when pressed for time or busy, but there's no reason to constantly grind away perfectly good steel because you're too lazy/unconfident to learn to use a steel.

>>31888662
but... i name tasks that a combat operator might use their knife for other than killing someone in the OP... in fact, i'm sure killing is pretty much last on its list of jobs

>>31887766
so a dagger is useful for only one thing: stabbing
putting serrations at the end causes a much nastier wound when the knife is retracted from a body at an angle

>>31888919

I'd bet you a rather large sum of money that I've spent more on sharpening stones than you have on your entire knife collection.

I also don't buy knives soft enough to be streaked effectively, as the vast majority of my knives are at 60 HRC or above where steeling is counterproductive (this is because high hardness edges tend to wear through microscopic chipping at the apex rather than microscopically folding over, steeling will help the latter but worsen the former).

Also, steeling will increase the effective grit finish of the apex as it partially works by burnishing, which is a process of plastic deformation rather than abrasion and thus makes a smoother apex. This process is entirely counterproductive if you are trying to maintain a very coarse apex finish.

Also, the plastic deformation caused by the enormous pressure applied to the apex by steeling (pressure = force x area, and the contact area of a steel against an apex is microscopic so a few grams of force equals hundreds of PSI) severely weakens the apex and seriously reduces edge retention compared to touching up on a sharpening stone.

Also, sharpening consumes a few microns of steel at most if it is done correctly, is just that most people don't get good enough at sharpening to move past the stage of needing to form a large burr which wastes a bunch of steel. With a burr minimization approach, you would have to sharpen the same knife thousands of times to consume the blade.

Finally, working about tools being consumed in use is precisely the philosophy of a collector rather than a tool user. It would be like a cabinet maker worrying about consuming their chisels by sharpening them too much.

>>31889715
>'d bet you a rather large sum of money that I've spent more on sharpening stones than you have on your entire knife collection.
Come on bro, dont be a member.
Lets try to keep it civil.

>>31888192
Ropes are easily cut with sharp plain edge. Though serrations could be useful for cutting cables, thing sheet metal and other rough things. Plain edge immediately becomes blunt against them.

>>31889917
>Ropes are easily cut with sharp plain edge.
No. You lie.

>>31889859
>civil

Welcome to this Singaporean shadow-puppet symposium, newfriend.

>>31889943

You're kidding, right? A sharp, coarse, plain edged knife has no trouble at all slicing rope. Hell, slicing large volumes of rope with a plain edge is used as one of the most common types of edge retention tests or demonstrations!

>>31889917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfpQzV2GnM

You monster! How dare you cut your ropes?!

>>31888000
double trips confirm Wave

>>31889973
Ech, yea, it's more important that personal experience.

>>31887766
You do realize there's far more to "combat" and "combat knives" than shanking an enemy with a knife, right?
>they're useful for rescue scenarios
And rescue scenarios and first aid are a major part of combat
>or cutting rope
Because we never rappel into buildings/osama-caves etc, we never tie up EPW's, we never lash our concertina together, we never get our parachutes tangled or stuck on shit or anything else that involves rope or cordage or technical tasks in combat, right?

>>31887831
It's a dagger. It is meant for stabbing and nothing else. Serrations are not beneficial in a stabbing knife.

>>31887766
No, serrations on a knife designated for combat is a bad idea. The serrations tend to get stuck in things, which mean you won't be able to extract your blade from whatever it is you just stabbed

Bayonets don't have serrations. Swords don't have serrations. War axes don't have serrations.

The usefulness of serration comes from cutting outside of combat.

>>31887921
>not chopping said branch with a real knife

>>31890069
>No, serrations on a knife designated for combat is a bad idea. The serrations tend to get stuck in things, which mean you won't be able to extract your blade from whatever it is you just stabbed
>Bayonets don't have serrations. Swords don't have serrations. War axes don't have serrations.
This board needs more mods.

>>31890030

Your personal experience is going to be limited based on types of sharpening stones you have and your proficiency in using them, and those are both suspect if you really believe a sharp plain edge can't cut large volumes of rope.