US allies advancing on Mosul rapidly. Rus allies can't take

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>>31883468
Yeah, it's pretty easy when you're the one controlling the terrorists and funding them in the first place

>>31883468
I don't think the russians intend to take Aleppo but rather just flatten it to the ground until there's nothing left. They are basically taking the krieg approach.
>Several artillery and siege companies began to bombard the city spires and the inhabitants were mercilessly gunned down as they tried to break out from the besieged city. After ten standard years of relentless shelling, the hive was reduced to naught but rubble and dust, two years after all signs of life from the hive had already ceased and five years after the hive had plaintively issued its unconditional surrender.

>>31883468
For starters The lines are a lot more blurred in Aleppo, its not the same killing field for the Russian Air force in the way Mosul is for America where they can safely blow up any thing that moves without worrying about it being friendly, at least until the Iraqis actually enter the city.

Secondly the rebels in Aleppo are almost equal in weaponry and numbers to the SAA where as Mosul is a case nearly 100,000 US allies taking on around 5000 ISIS militants.

Thirdly the FSA and co. enjoy at least some sizable level of local support where as ISIS has largely fallen out of favor among the Iraqi population meaning they can't replace loses and embed themselves as well as the FSA in Aleppo

Im sure if the SAA could surround a city with around 100,000 men and massive air support from Russia against a force of about 5000 FSA they could do the same thing but they can't.

tl;dr they're not comparable and you're retarded

>>31883468
That's where it lies the advantage of smart munitions, the Russians are pretty much indiscriminately bombing civilians and everything else using dumb bombs, while the Americans are spending top cash lobbing smart munitions on Mosul.

>>31883687

>For starters The lines are a lot more blurred in Aleppo, its not the same killing field for the Russian Air force in the way Mosul is for America where they can safely blow up any thing that moves without worrying about it being friendly, at least until the Iraqis actually enter the city.

This is bullshit. 100,000 civilians in Mosul. Try reading actual news or at least listening to NPR some day.

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Secondly the rebels in Aleppo are almost equal in weaponry and numbers to the SAA where as Mosul is a case nearly 100,000 US allies taking on around 5000 ISIS militants.

Whose fault is that.

>
Thirdly the FSA and co. enjoy at least some sizable level of local support where as ISIS has largely fallen out of favor among the Iraqi population meaning they can't replace loses and embed themselves as well as the FSA in Aleppo

Where are the proofs.

>tl;dr they're not comparable and you're retarded

You are the one who said no civilians are trapped in Mosul, not me, lol.

>>31883705

Americans have hit their fair share of hospitals.

>>31883739
>Americans have hit their fair share of hospitals.

Not as much as the Russians do it though. Either they know something we don't or no one is in charge double-checking intel passed on by the SAA to them.

>>31883739
>You are the one who said no civilians are trapped in Mosul
I didn't say there were no civilians in Mosul, but if it moves and has a gun its free game for the USAF where as that's most definitely not the case in Aleppo for the RuAF

>the rebels in Aleppo are almost equal in weaponry and numbers to the SAA
>Whose fault is that.
ummm America? Im sure if Russia was giving weapons directly to the ISIS guys in Mosul the ISF advances wouldn't be happening so fast

>Thirdly the FSA and co. enjoy at least some sizable level of local support where as ISIS has largely fallen out of favor among the Iraqi population
>Where are the proofs.
probably the fact non-ISIS affiliated rebel groups in Syria have well over twice as many men as ISIS does in Iraq and the fact the most Syrian rebel groups don't consider two thirds of the Syrian population heretics unlike ISIS in Iraqs view of the Shia majority


Try reading actual news or at least listening to NPR some day.

>>31883930
>america is giving weapons directly to isis meme

Lel

If Russia was supplying the terrorists with manpads, ATGM's, artillery/mortars, and ammo it would be a different story.

>>31883950
It's not a meme, its the truth

>>31884093
Then it should be easy to prove!

>>31883687
So Russia can't into fighting to win: the post.

>>31884097
why do you think Clinton is about to get indicted and sent to prison?

>>31883950
>>31884097
I wasn't actually saying America was giving weapons to ISIS, though that no doubt inevitably happens. I was talking about the Pentagon arming rebels in Aleppo which if you don't know anything about probably means you live under a rock, Even Hillary talked about it in the presidential debates for fuck sake its not a secret conspiracy or meme just do a little research before saying stupid shit on an Indonesian pottery board

>>31884126
do you speaka da engrish?

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>>31883490

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>blue pilled amerigoy: The Post

>>31883687
every battle is won before it even starts - sun tzu

sorry you slav bros cant get into battle winning

Russia can't do anything with out some (((media))) saying they are bombing a hospital full of children.

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>>31884382

And they can't win a battle, period, apparently.

>>31884312
>muh 1000 year old Chinese wisdom
that's such a stupid and irrelevant quote

you can say it after the fact to sound all smart and knowledgeable but lots of battles have had unforeseen outcomes, and its not like Americas allies in Aleppo have won either so calling out the Russians is a bit fucking meaningless isn't it

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>>31884546

>jackass doesn't understand a basic quote
>tries to change meaning

Oh Russian posters, why u so silly.

>>31884405
what boots are those?

>>31884546
how is it a stupid and irrelevant quote? All its saying is that the planning before the battle is the most important part of the battle. In which case America is superior then slav shits who just show up and start carpeting bombing a city. Sorry America has real logistics and can gather and arm a huge force unlike russia.

im also saying showing up with a smaller army to a battle doesn't give you an excuse for failing.

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>>31884708

>I know

Why are Russian MGs so inferior to America-Ukie-pre-Soviet-Russia leftovers tho?

>>31884718

Well, Russia COULD theoretically point Aleppo into the ground ala Grozny, but it's unclear what the fuck they are doing right now. They literally let rebels break encirclement from time to time. Shit makes no sense.

>>31884167
TRUMPed up charges. ;D

>>31884605
>>31884605

im assuming the quote means having the best battle strategy and force disposition before the battle decides who wins, which I think is irrelevant in 2000AD where battles are a lot more dynamic and complex then they were in medieval china but if you think it means something else feel free to explain

>And they can't win a battle, period, apparently.
um well since 1990 they won
-the War in Abkhazia
-War of Transnistria
-East Prigorodny Conflict
-Georgian Civil War
-War of Dagestan
-Second Chechen War
-Russo-Georgian War
and they successfully annexed Crimea

so if you let go of your American centric world view for a minute you'd realize Russia has had its fair share of action and victories (as well as defeats) just like America

>>31884747
>but it's unclear what the fuck they are doing right now.
Nothing. They give rebels chance to exit and solve that peacefully. Meanwhile they use it as counterpart of coalition Mosul siege with no corridors for civilians, and other wedding-bombing-style. Beaty of strategy - coalition now has two bad option - to do nothing and be blamed by Russians (you guys don't fght with IS, civilians are suffering, we're fighting IS) or to do something and be blaimed by Russians (you guys fighting wrong, civilians are suffering, you do not care about civilians like we do in Allepo with UN and humanitarian shit). In same time they are waiting for their carrier to show and intelligence to be gathered. Confirmed locations of HQs, supply depots and stuff. With Kuznetsov they will have enough high-precision means to ground everything in Eastern Allepo without heavy collateral damage making organized resistance impossible.

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>>31884854

That's not what it means. It means that preparation wins battles. If you are ill-prepared (trained, equipped, etc), you are going to lose. Read the book. Not reading it is like not going to school.

>-the War in Abkhazia

What? Does that even count?

>-War of Transnistria

Not a real war.

>-East Prigorodny Conflict

What?

>-Georgian Civil War

What?

>-War of Dagestan

What?

>-Second Chechen War

Yes.

>-Russo-Georgian War

Yes.

>so if you let go of your American centric world view for a minute you'd realize Russia has had its fair share of action and victories (as well as defeats) just like America

None of those wars were even remotely comparable to a real war. To put it in perspective, they are nowhere remotely comparable to Chechnya 1 either. "

Note - when I say "wut", I don't mean I can't google it, but it's laughable that you consider those instances "wars".

>>31883490
Russia cant even wipe out shitty malnutritioned, unequipped rebels

Imagine how fucked they'll get if they vsed a capable opponent hahahaha

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>>31884932
>>31884854

PS, separating War of Dagestan and Second Chechen War is comical.

>>31884882

>Nothing. They give rebels chance to exit and solve that peacefully.

No, rebels broke through from outside. Shove this "peacefully" shit up your ass - the last time Russia let someone exit "peacefully" was in Ilovaisk - where they hit the retreating forces with Uragans and tank units. Webm related is what Russian humanitarian corridors look like.

> Meanwhile they use it as counterpart of coalition Mosul siege with no corridors for civilians, and other wedding-bombing-style.

Keep talking out of your ass:
>The humanitarian operation in Mosul is likely to be the single largest, most complex in the world in 2016. Military operations along the Anbar and Mosul corridors have already forced more than 230,000 civilians, including 85,000 people from Fallujah, to flee their homes in search of safety. In coming weeks, as the military campaign intensifies, an additional 230,000 people are expected to flee from cities and towns in Anbar and up to 660,000 people will be displaced along the Mosul corridor.

>With Kuznetsov they will have enough high-precision means to ground everything in Eastern Allepo without heavy collateral damage making organized resistance impossible.

Kuznetsov doesn't bring anything significant to the battle at all. They could easily fly in additional SU-34s, which are far better at delivering precision strikes than MIG-29KUBs and SUshka-25s, or whatever is chilling on the Kuznetsov these days.

>>31884984
>Humanitarian aid
>implying that you should deprive your enemy of every thing usable for a war

>laughingsherman.jpg

>>31884259
Damn son this is how I envision America.

>>31883490
Russia cant seem to do that in Ukraine, despite controling the rebels there

>>31884984
>No, rebels broke through from outside.
They did not.
>Ilovaisk
Stupid hohols being stupid and can't even understand what does "without weapon" mean.
>Kuznetsov doesn't bring anything significant to the battle at all.
New Migs are equipped with new laser designation system in containers and they carry Ka-52K which are far more advanced than Mi-28N in a matter of night operation capabilities and precision strikes.
>They could easily fly in additional SU-34s
They can't El Presidente told that active phase of operation in Syria is over, that it is not Afghanistan, mission of aviation is mostly complete and soldiers can go home now. He can't increase number of planes on Syrian ground after that. Kuznetsov, politically, is a different case.
>The humanitarian operation in Mosul
You're quoting info from July. Operation began in October, and as far as I know city is in blockade.

>>31884932
>None of those wars were even remotely comparable to a real war
no more so then Somalia, panama and Grenada, if you're only counting "real wars" America has lost all the ones they've fought since the Gulf war which doesn't put them on much of a better footing then the Russian Army.

> It means that preparation wins battles.
thats just as vague as saying guns kill people I mean sure it helps but nothing stopped the less well prepared rebels in Libya winning over the better prepared (not by much but still) government forces.

>>31884949
but America managed that in over a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan right?

>>31885124
>cant bring in su-34
>can bring in a cucked aircraft carrier

Wew lad

>>31885135
>but America managed that in over a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan right?

To be fair, americans went where they wanted to in iraq, save for one time, fallujah. What occured next was the mother of all BTFO.

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>>31885124

>They did not.

You are still a lying fuck, what a surprise:

>After a week of heavy fighting, rebels both inside and outside Aleppo advanced into the Ramouseh neighborhood, linked up and captured it. They also seized the Al-Assad Military Academy. With these advances, the rebels managed to cut the government's supply line into the government-held part of west Aleppo[36][37][186][187] and announced the Army's siege of rebel-held east Aleppo had been broken.

>Stupid hohols being stupid and can't even understand what does "without weapon" mean.

Just like those marines got lost in Ukraine by accident, right? Lying shit.

>New Migs are equipped with new laser designation system in containers and they carry Ka-52K which are far more advanced than Mi-28N in a matter of night operation capabilities and precision strikes.

Don't need Kuznetsov to ship KA-52s, can ship them on other ships just like MI-24s.

>new laser designation system
>superior to SU-34

Yea, no. You don't seem to understand the SU-34s function as a strike aircraft / F-15E analog.

>They can't El Presidente told that active phase of operation in Syria is over, that it is not Afghanistan, mission of aviation is mostly complete and soldiers can go home now. He can't increase number of planes on Syrian ground after that. Kuznetsov, politically, is a different case.

He can do whatever the fuck he wants. Kuznetsov is not, in any way, different.

>You're quoting info from July. Operation began in October, and as far as I know city is in blockade.

Corridor was there for a long time.

>>31885135

>no more so then Somalia, panama and Grenada, if you're only counting "real wars" America has lost all the ones they've fought since the Gulf war which doesn't put them on much of a better footing then the Russian Army.

None of those first 3 count as real wars, at all.

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>>31885386

Meant to post this, but whatever, talking to your lying cherry-picking kazap ass that denies Ilovaisk was a set up slaughter and that Kuznetsov doesn't bring shit over available aviation is pointless.

>>31883490
wow, that went /pol/ right out of the gate

>>31883950
America is wilfully blind to Saudi / Gulf weapon purchases which can only be reasonably expected to be passed on to "moderate" rebels.

>>31885386
>After a week of heavy fighting, rebels both inside and outside Aleppo advanced into the Ramouseh neighborhood, linked up and captured it. They also seized the Al-Assad Military Academy. With these advances, the rebels managed to cut the government's supply line into the government-held part of west Aleppo[
>August 6, 2016
Dude, do you have so slow internet in US, that ping is more than 2 month?

>Don't need Kuznetsov to ship KA-52s, can ship them on other ships just like MI-24s.
They are gonna use them from Kuznetsov. Can't do that with Hinds (well, maybe you can, but no one really tried). And what's the point to bring brand new navy helicopter and not use it from carrier? It is not going to sell itself, you know, you need to show your product. Full potential, bro. Algeria is buying Su-34 now, India wants >400 T-90MS. Kamov was out of business for too long, Egypt should not be only buyer of Ka-52K.

>He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Not really.

>>31885636
>>31885409
And yeah, Indians are willing to buy a lot of planes for their carriers, so MiGs should have full promo too.

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>>31884854
>Having the better strategy and force disposition is irrelevant in the 21st century.

>>31885766
2008 war proofed that. Georgians had best possible disposition, recon and communication.

>>31885661

Indians basically bailed on PAK FA. Koroche, spokoinoi nochi.

>>31885791

Georgians were a shit.

>>31883950
I bet these tinfoil hatters think we give weapons to mexican drug cartels too

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>>31885882

>Holder and the ATF did.

>>31885913
THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT, Just like when our weapons end up in the hands of ISIS. Why would we arm the terrorists that are already being propped up by our allies, seems kind of redundant.