Memes aside, what is the point of .40? If you want accuracy,

Performance after auto glass penetration.

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>9mm has any more practical accuracy
>muh shtappin powa

My autism cant handle this before 9AM

>>31860399
Same as the memes. Not worth it.

>>31860452
What do you shoot fag?

Why is there a thread about this every day. If you already have such a retarded opinion about calibers do you really have to ask what is the point? Fuck off

>>31860399
Because variety is the spice of life. All good just different.

Why does having options and different opinions bother people so much when someone else's decision doesn't effect them at all.

>>31860399
>what is the point of .40?

You get the nearly the same amount of power as a .45, but much more capacity and increased velocity. Compared to the 9mm, .40 has about 25%-30% more power. If you carry JHP, the .40 expands more reliably.

More power than 9mm while not being overkill like 10mm.

>>31860399
>Memes aside
good luck with that

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>>31860427
>What is .357 sig

>>31860774
An even specialer snowflake.
We all watch the potato too.

>>31860399
Because women and limp wristed faggots couldn't handle 10mm Auto.

>>31860482
7.62x38R

>>31860777
How is it special snowflake. I can use my 9mm bullets to reload it. .40 would require new brass and bullets. Seems like .40 is quantifiably a more special snowflake.

>>31861363
>Hundreds if not thousands of model's chambered in .40

>a few dozen, if that chambered in .357 sig

Go to any gun store in America and they'll have stacks of .40 in stock. And maybe a box or 2 of .357 sig.

It's a dying cartridge.

>still having "stopping power" in your vocabulary

>>31861363
a handful of viable weapons are chambered in it, it's expensive, and it has a tendency to break pistols. The M&P is a good example of a new pistol chambered in it but failing to survive a year of use; it's discontinued and most LEOs have dropped it unless they carry Sigs already. Sig and Glock are the only companies really pushing for it and honestly it's starting to get overshadowed by other auto rounds. It's going to die like 45GAP.

>>31860399
Do you know anything about ammunition that isn't a meme?

>>31860697
>More stoppan powah
>But not too much because I can't handle a man's cartridge

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of fight in the dog.

>>31860774
Some obscure piece of shit wildcatty cartridge

>>31860669

That's quite the increase, I was looking at ballistics by the inch, and the .40 can shoot a pretty heavy projectile at much faster speeds than the 9mm.

Perhaps the .40 isn't the shitty round people have been claiming it to be.

>>31862181

Might as well go with a 44.mag desert eagle then pussy.

>>31860567
Giving him the benefit of the doubt I believe the spirit of his question is "does .40 fill a useful niche that other similar calibers do not".

>>31862255
>the .40 can shoot a pretty heavy projectile at much faster speeds than the 9mm.

Actually, typical loads of .40 and 9mm, the 9mm is actually faster. The power of the .40 over the 9mm comes from it's weight as you said, not it's velocity (although it's still faster than a .45).

People who shit on it are either ignorant of what it brings to the table or haven't shot it enough.

>>31860774
>.357 sig
Hipster round. Why don't you go hang out with you other obscure snowflake buddies, 10mm and 5.7mm?

>>31860399
There's no point. 10mm has made a comeback and .40 S&W is going down the toilet.

>>31861453
That's a shame too. It seems like the perfect smg cartridge, and it would give you some good muzzle energy and flat trajectory from a pistol caliber carbine. I'd give my left nut for a ps90 in 357 sig

>>31861789
45 gap was a cash in gimicks by glock. He cartridge offered nothing that 45 didn't already do

>>31860399

there is no point

>>31862602
>nothing else can possibly change, just look at the round everyone said was dead two decades ago

if anything .45acp is the round turning obsolete

>>31862660
Everyone says this but if you want your gun to cycle subsonic supressed....

>>31862660
It'll live on. .40 S&W was in response to a moral panic started by the FBI.

>>31862666
this is why .45acp isnt going anywhere.

>>31860399
40sw isn't inherently bad its just a solution to a non existent problem because pussies couldnt handle the recoil of 10mm. More capacity then 45acp less them 9mm. +p hollow points from all 3 show extremely similar results. So i see no reason to go with 9mm for capacity and easier follow up shots.

>>31862723
Cant fucking type, I see no reason to go with a 40sw over a 9mm because its snappier and offers less capacity. *

>>31862602
One can only hope.

>>31862723
.40 S&W was primarily invented so you could use 10mm in a 9mm frame.

>>31860774
A necked down 40s&w and the 40 is a shorter 10mm.
I carry 40 because of the power and capacity. I wanted 10mm but it's not as common. I've thought about getting a 357 sig barrel for my glock because it uses the same magazines but i don't feel like buying those rounds.

>>31862752
I don't understand this post, 40sw is a compromised 10mm.

>>31862778
What power are you talking about. If you mean snappier then 9mm then yeah, but ballistics of modern hollow points in 9mm and 40sw are nearly identical.

>>31862742
We'll for all the people that always say LOL 9MM NO STOPPING POWAH, .40 has more stopping power than 9mm at the cost of 1 or maybe two bullets. Per magazine. It's just that, coming originally from 10mm, it gets all the flak as being'weak'. If 40 was an organic update to 9mm I don't think it would be perceived so negatively

>>31862789
How is that hard to understand.

>>31862811
Can you please explain exactly what stopping power is? Because if you look at fbi charts showing defensive shootings .380 auto leads the charts for stopping a threat with 1 shot.

>>31862850
Just the raw number values for kinetic energy

>>31862872
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2016/01/9mm-vs-40-caliber.aspx

40sw is a meme.

>>31862803
Someone doesn't read well. Go look it up there is more power.

>>31862921
All I'm seeing is permanent wound cavity of 490 is identical to 9mm. No question there but there's still more to it than just that factor

>>31862264
>.44
>Desert Eagle
>impressive

nigger you know they make airweight .44 magnum revolvers for cc right

>>31862983
Not really hence the fbi going back to 9mm.

>>31862283

>I believe...
>spirit of his question

>what is "putting words in other people's mouth" for $700 Alex.

"what's the quickest way to trigger some faggots today?"

>>31860399
>Memes aside, what is the point of .40? If you want accuracy, get a 9mm. If you want stopping power, get a .45.
And if you want a compromise (in a good way) between the two, then get a .40.

>>31862602

Is there any available sales data to support this, or are you just making shit up because echo chamber/your scared of recoil?

I'd love to see a company release how much they sell of each caliber.

>>31862723

the .01% of shooters who own suppressors are keeping the 45 market alive.

Oh, sure, I guess the shelves of 1911's at every gun store in America has nothing to do with it, just the snowflakes with their COD guns.

Kids today...everything revolves around them.

>>31862615
that was the point though
45 gap was for 45 acp performance in a cartridge the length of a 9mm

>>31862803

>9mm and 40 are identical
>the memes say so

>>31863115
no you're absolutely right 1911's and stupid fudds that believe 45acp is the best cuz MUH STOPPIN POWWA. 45acp isn't going anywhere.

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>>31863128
No one said they're identical however the differences are negligible in terms of ballistics... Some people would prefer less recoil and additional capacity.

>>31863086
These and CZ hate threads

>>31863094
there are some hard numbers... somewhere. Probably with the stats on increased .22lr production. What most manufacturers are noticing is that people aren't buying many new .40's now and lots of them are turning up as trade-ins. Some models only get 9 and 45 now. If people bought them it would be worth the extra effort to release a half-assed scaled up 9mm.

>>31863203
CZ is nice, no hate on CZ. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

>>31860774
A neutered 9x25 dillon

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>>31860852
>refering to .40 as meme ammo
>uses a round proprietary to only one fucking pistol, ever made, over 100 years ago.

>>31860399
>accuracy
>stopping power
>handguns
Is it winter break already?

>>31860539
These threads are usually asked by noguns or abysmally poorfags who literally could only afford one gun and one box of ammo

>>31863125
So it does nothing different than what 45 acp already does, but in with a meanIngles sly shorter cartridge. Solves zerof problems and has zero benefits. Just a cash grab by glock

.45 GAP will come back. You'll see.

>>31860774
what is a .357 magnum.

ftfy

>>31860399
>9mm
>more accurate than .45
I would laugh and be done with it, but that's just completely fucking retarded

>>31865940
Why you say that anon?

>>31865940
can you not do a double tap and be back on target easier with the 9mm?

>>31862778
You clearly haven't been to the Mojave wasteland.

>>31860399
I own one firearm in .40 - a Gen 4 G23. I bought it as my last pistol before MD enacted their retard laws in response to Sandy Hook.

Here are the advantages that I see in the .40 cal platform:

1. It definitely hits harder than 9mm. Thunks steel with authority and swings more than 9mm hits. May not transfer to real life self defense but I'd rather have a .40 than a 9mm out in the woods.

2. Versatile, especially in a Glock. Can turn it into 357 sig with a barrel swap and a 9mm with a barrel and mag swap. Can't turn a G19 into a .40 or .357 sig...

3. Ammo availability. Because it's less popular, it was somewhat less impossible to find during the Sandy Hook madness than 9mm and .45acp. I could actually go into a store and see it on the shelf every now and again while 9mm and .45 was MIA.

All that said, .40 would not be my first choice for an "only" caliber. 9mm wins that for me, hands down. Price/performance just can't be beat and 9mm AR-15's are pure bliss.

Just don't use it for pest control unless you want to fucking blow it apart.

I can't even imagine seeing what it'd do to an actual human.

>>31860774
A cartridge literally made by necking down the fucking .40.

If your answer to the question doesn't predate the original, YOU DON'T FUCKING GET TO USE THE GODDAMN "WHAT IS" MEME, YOU COTTAGE CHEESE FILLED CUNT!!!

>>31863175
Like the FBI and the U.S. military.

>>31862604
Aero Survival Rifle
And you can swap parts to shoot other calibres

>>31862821
It's not really a compromised 10acp though, it still offers something different with a higher capability than a 9. I want a 40 but they're all just 9's rechambered to 40... it's like putting a 357 into a 38spl and people complain when it gets battered faster instead of a gun actually built in specs for it.

>>31862985
Quit being a pussy just OC a rifle.

>>31862703
Then you use 147gr 9mm or whatever if subsonic in your given pistol because pistols aren't full power rifle cartridges in autoloaders.

>>31864391
Not the guy you we're replying to but goddamn could you try being less dense. They made it shorter so it could fit in guns with 9mm size grips/frames and it has the benefit if not being a military caliber which is an issue in some countries and why it's still in production. The is in fact a wold outside if the US

>>31866025
Because .45auto has been known as a very accurate cartridge for 100 years

>>31866044
I don't recall op citing time on target. He just said accurate. Your post has a lot more to do with shooter ability than any flight characteristics of the cartridge. .38 super and .40sw are two cartridges that at one time had poor reputations concerning accuracy but have since proven very capable.

>>31866950
The extra wear is wildly exaggerated nearly every time it's brought up. Outside of competition or professional work fuckig nobody is shooting irreparably breaking pistols before the ammo price has long since eclipsed to guns price

>>31860852

Kek
>Not using a 45mm heckler and smith.
It's like you don't want real stopping power.

Anyone here rather get shot by a 40 over a 9mm?

Exactly.

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MFW 9mm can have more muzzle energy than 40
MFW 9mm has similar ballistic performance
MFW 9mm guns hold more boolets
MFW 9mm is cheaper
MFW there are more guns to choose from in 9mm
MFW is not the best at ANYTHING
MFW 40 is just completely mediocre
MFW 40fags still defend this because it keeps them from choosing 9mm or 45 "lel, right in the middle"

I don't hate man gun people, but 40fags are trash.

>>31867207

Depends on the load, good 9mm loads outperform 40. If it's a random load, I would not have a preference. (other than not getting shot)

>>31861453
In the US, here in Australia it's still really popular.

We have an insane law that restricts non IPSC shooters to a maximum of .38 cal in pistols.
.357 SIG is the best autoloading pistol calibre you can buy here, plus the flat trajectory makes it really good for comp shooting.

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>>31866705
I do what i want.

>>31866076
>You clearly haven't been to the Mojave wasteland.

Do You Wish For a Nuclear Winter?