The United States has been putting stealth bombers and fighters

>>31853217

The J-20 is pretty close to being approved for production, I believe.

>Is it really that hard ?

Yes. Yes it is. The process to develop engines, airframes, computers, software, etc is immense. Even building the equipment and facilities to make those components and train the people how to do it, the system for R&D to a successful aircraft is astronomical.

>>31853217
>How come poor countries don't have nice stuff

Gee, that's a doozy.

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>>31853317

There are many rich countries.

>>31853217
j-20 is in LRIP

>>31853217
>And why aren't countries outside of those two not even close to just getting to the prototype stage?
Stealth is actually a niche market since it's rather expensive to own and maintain a stealth plane, and Lockheed already owns it with the F-35.

It would be too risky for a foreign (european) manufacturer to bargain a fuckton of money on the development of a stealth plane, knowing there would be almost no potential buyer since most countries which could buy the F-35 don't really want it.

>>31854346
They are making the nEUROn, which won't fill the same role as the F-35 but could offer some native European stealth capability. It could at least function as a bridge to a future stealth fighter.

>>31853217
Because stealth is a meme and it only works against poor countries.

>>31853217
>US spends as much on their armed forces as the next 15 countries combined
>somehow has better technology

Yeah, I really wonder why.

>>31853329
If Russia had the money the US has they'd be flying star destroyers by now.

>>31854534
Which would to return to port or call for help after the kitchen fire.

Soon we will discover that there is actually no such thing as stealth and its all been a big ploy to slow down russian/chinese weapons development by leading them on a goose chase. The reason it's taking them so long is because no matter what they do they can't create a stealthy aircraft and they dont know that neither can the USA.

>>31854601
*russian scientist, eyes already beginning to water* "Yuri...this latest test"
*Yuri, uncomfortably staring at the ground between his feet* "I know Ivan. It's even worse than the last. We cannot do it. There is something that our best minds are just unable to grasp. I will tell marishka to start foraging for potatoes. We must abandon this project"

>>31854601
It is amazing just how much completely pants on head retarded tin foil bullshit could be expunged from the world just by making sure every person on it got a high school physics education. Things like radar VLO technology. Which can be understood in middleschool science classes with a prism, a couple of mirrors and some translucent gauze, much less a fucking high school EM physics module.

Since it's obviously too late for you, though, kindly fucking go neck yourself you ignorant fuckwad. Better luck next life.

>>31853217
>33 years
F-22 was introduced not even 10 years ago.

>>31853217

USSR fell apart.

China is just getting shit together.

Other countries too small / uneducated / counting on buying from US or Rus.

>>31854770
The F-117 was introduced in 1983, genius.

>>31854770

F-117 went into production 33 years ago

>>31854770
It was operational and approved for combat in 2005. There is a lot of testing and risk assessment done before planes are operational. I think the F22 was basically complete in 2001.

The F-117 was operational in the 80's, which is what the OP is probably referring to.

>>31853217
christ those are some handsome vehicles

>>31854649

He was making a joke man, no need to get so hostile

>>31853217
Alas, Rusia suffers from a severe congenital deficiency of vitamin money. China is better off but I'm beginning to think that stealing info for the F-117 caused them to fixate on outdated stealth tech.

>>31854832
>only pretending guize!

>>31853217
Math for stealth was created in USSR back in 60th. In that time answer on proposal of creation of stealth aircrafts was one - it will have immpossible aerodinamic. So, that was abandoned. (Dunno why they didn't used that in ship building)
Problems with aerodinamic were solved when USSR collapsed. China in that ime did not spend on military enought. Why are Russia and China still only in the prototype stages in 2016? Because they began their work in early 00th. Before that they didn't have money.

>>31853217
>And why aren't countries outside of those two not even close to just getting to the prototype stage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Taranis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_nEUROn

>>31855009
The US started heavily investing in stealth in the early 70's. The USSR chose not to. The US approach has proven to be right. Stealth was highly effective. Although stealth will steadily become less effective as detection methods improve, it is going to be a requirement. It won't protect you as much as it once did, but not having stealth in a few decades is basically guaranteeing your planes get shot down first.

>>31853217
Vatniks can't into stealth. China became modern country 10 years ago.

>>31854534
They got close in defense spending during the Cold War. All it got them was economic collapse and an admittedly impressive amount of tanks and nukes.

>>31853217
Just out of curiosity, will stealth missiles ever be a thing in the future?

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>>31856038

They exist now

Because the Soviets lacked the computer power to actually build Low observable airframes and test them. VLO aircraft were not possible before the invention of computer aided design.

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>>31856112
>VLO aircraft were not possible before the invention of computer aided design.

>>31856198
The F-117 was one of the first computer-designed planes in service. It has that shaping because the computer modeling for RADAR returns at the time could only be calculated on 2d planes.

>>31856198
>he wasn't aware that the silicon micro transistor was first used in 1970
>he didn't know that the 70s were the beginning of the digital revolution

>>31854869
It made me kek. Sorry you're so jaded you can't appreciate humor. Then again, this board will do that to you, so I can't say I'm surprised.

>>31854649
Are you feeling alright?

It's not like the US hasn't done that sort of trick before

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>>31854810
>>31854800
>>31854793
>F-117
>Stealth
laughingserbia.jpg

>>31856404
>mfw the US was expecting a 5% attrition rate per sortie for F-117s during the 1991 Gulf War

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>>31853217
>China still only in the prototype stages
The J-20 is in LRIP with full production soon™

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About 10 years ago a B-2 did a low speed flyby over a golf course i was playing on (located near Dobbins ARB which going to host an airshow). I didn't hear the fucking thing until it was right overhead and it was coming from behind. scared the shit out of me. thought it was a UFO until my friend told me what it was. I wasn't into mil tech at the time so had no clue. Still one of the coolest things I've ever seen. What a piece of technology.

I saw this vid and made me wonder if the north koreans thought the same sense of aw i felt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omM2s4wBPRQ

>>31856436

and of fucking course i linked the wrong video lel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqp3lUZotUI

>>31856436
>Mr Weiner
Jesus christ

>>31856462

s-sorry. serves me right posting in /pol/ and here.

>>31856436
guys a kiddy fiddle fuck him

but the guy will probably get away with it bet he has a deal with fbi if he sells clinton and his wife he gets away with it

>>31856485
>bet he has a deal with fbi if he sells clinton and his wife he gets away with it

the hero we need.

>>31856449
Got dat angry wiener on da brain

>>31856404
>The one incident that simply proved how difficult shooting stealth down is

>>31856931
>Serbian conscripts with slav tier electronics and a 60s era SAM
They had literally all the odds stacked against them and they fucked '''''''stealth''''''' raw

F-117 was a POS

>>31857173
>They knew exactly where it would be because it had flown they same route daily for weeks
>They modified the freq output
>They still couldn't get a lock within normal doctrinal timing and had to risk being caught by a live HARM that might've been in the air
>They got really lucky that the bomb bay opened up right then to give a clear return
If it were as easy as you seem to think why is it that that was the only stealth plane EVER lost to ground-based air defenses? Or Air to Air? Because every other lost stealth was a non-combat loss.

>>31857338
Fight have something to do with the fact that the US only picks fights with 3rd world countries.

An 80s era plane was downed by a 60s era missile supported by 50s era radar. Pretty awful performance.

>>31857511
>Fight have something to do with the fact that the US only picks fights with 3rd world countries.
Let's just take a stroll through the USSR's and Russia's opponet list. Or China's. Oh, wait.

You were saying?

>>31857173
>7000+ sorties
>one shot down

Breddy gud record.

>>31856931

>one incident

of three.

>>31857511
How's that FSB-written script book going for ya buddy?

>>31857697
So, two incidents that are imaginary based on Serb propaganda?

>>31857697
>of three.
Do tell us which other two stealth aircraft were shot down.

Dis gon b gud.

>>31857723

one complete loss. one airframe loss, initially denied by the USAF, later acknowledged. the serbs claimed tree, the usaf initially denied the other 2, the claimed two were in fact lost. im more inclined to believe the serbs than not.

>>31857874
You, of course, have the source for either of these, right?

>inb4 sputnik news and RT

>>31858023

Riccioni, Col. Everest E. "Description of our Failing Defence Acquisition System." Project on government oversight, 8 March 2005.

>>31858179
>Riccioni, Col. Everest E
First of all,
>quoting Riccioni in a positive light
>ever
>on anything
you really dun goofed there, chief. You might as well be sucking Sprey's dick, you poor bastard.

Secondly:
>that paper primarily covers the F-22
>doesn't even reference the '99 F-117 shootdown
>doesn't say a fucking thing about any other shootdown

So go on. Quote the paper. Show us where he provides the bu number or date of these supposed shootdowns/total losses.

I'll fucking wait.

>>31858179
>Riccioni, Col. Everest E
Well there's your fucking problem. He was out of the military and working for Northrop a decade before the F-117 even flew. He was a "fighter pilot" who'd never flown a single combat sortie and at the height of Vietnam choose a desk job in Korea over a combat tour (which is why he retired as a Colonel).

>>31858179

Link?

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>>31854470
Yeah, those grapes were pretty sour anyway, right tovarisch?

>>31854534
Maybe, but they'd still run on diesel.

>>31858520
>implying they'd actually run

>>31853329
Not United States rich..

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>>31854534

>>31857874
One F-117 was shot down, one was hit but was able to fly home and was later written off, the third is a bullshit claim that a B-2 was shot down, which would be harder to cover up than a moon landing.

>>31859442
Have not heard of the airframe loss, got any more info on that?

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>>31854534
>in space no one can hear you tug
>TUGS IN SPAAAAAAACE
i don't have enough space tugboat jokes to make this work

>>31857173
No. You need to do some research. Everything, and I mean literally every single thing, came up in the Serb's favor. It's utterly astronomical odds.

>>31853217
Stealth technology is extremely expensive, so it's not surprising that everyone else is playing catch up.

>>31859442
>>>31857874

Those F-117s were only even shot down because they didn't follow proper stealth doctrine of varying up your flight routes and such. The Serbs knew a plane was flying over them at certain times so they basically tested different radar systems over the course of weeks until they figured out one that worked.

>>31853217

A Russian invented "stealth" in its current form, then it was dismissed by the soviets. Read up, you fat sack of shit.

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>>31856198
>F-117A Nighthawk
>Not being almost entirely controlled by a computer and unflyable without one

Guys what if we've been all wrong
>usa has better stealth
>never see russian or chink stealth
>never see hear or smell

I think they've got better stealth than us and thats why it seems they dont have any

>>31854770
2017
-2005
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9


?????

>>31854869
It was literally written like a joking shitpost or are you just a new fag?

>>31856404
Stealth as a description is a bit inaccurate since it doesn't make you invisible (yet). We usually demand weapons terminology to give us more accurate terms for technologies. Just like non-lethal weapons are officially called less-than-lethal weapons, stealth technologies should be described as harder-to-see-on-radar technologies or as I like to describe them; that-radar-anomaly-you-missed.

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>>31853217
China has stealth money. They use it to pay election campaigns of shitty leaders and turn lifelong US allies into rabid anti-americans.

Extremely more effective than stealth planes & ships.

>>31859655
Due to high costs and relatively low benefits, if memory serves.

>>31859717
Jesus the Philippines president needs to get a shirt that fits him in the collar. He looks bretty subhuman in that pic lol

>>31859721
>>31859655
You sound like Checkov from Star Trek, "Russia invented everything! We were cheated by the jews and capitalists."

Fuck I'm of slavic descent and you embarrass me.

>>31859724

> slavic descent

As far as slavic descent goes, there's Russians and then there's pathetic slavs that at some point got fucked by Russians, and since you didn't say you're Russian, I'll have to ask you to fuck off.

Yes, a Russian invented stealth, Ufymtsev was his name I believe.

>>31853217
Russia and China haven't been planning on invading foreign nations for the last 50 years, so the need to be sneaky hasn't been as big of an issue for them.

Also, stealth is basically a technological dead end. Radar countermeasures really cheaper and easier to develope.

>>31856038
>>31856069
Due to their small size they're already stealthy. Most missile detections, in terms of fighters spotting them, come from picking up the seeker radiation, IRST detection of the missile's motor or the illumination radar from the launching platform. Any hard radar detection usually happens right before the missile goes terminal.

Shit like the LRASM needs to be stealthy because ships can mount radars with a lot more power behind them and more powerful computers running the detection algorithms.

>>31858520
>diesel
More like fuel oil.

>>31859655
No a Russian wrote the first paper on it. The concept of radar deflection and refraction was quite heavily discussed all over Europe and the US for more than five years before the paper came out.

>>31859845

Just like the concept of ayy lmaos is heavily discussed but nobody has actually caught one.

>>31859782
Russia and China haven't been planning on invading foreign nations for the last 50 years.
I'm what multiverse do you live that the Cold War never happened and that the South China Sea disputes aren't happening?

>Stealth is basically a technological deadend
Oh I see, we're just shitposting now.

>>31859871
Forgot to greentext
Also *In
8am, haven't went to bed yet.

>>31859712
People who think stealth =/= invisibility are dumb; camo is a form of stealth, but no CADPAT, etc or ghillie suit will make you invisible in arm's distance.

>>31859480
The one that survived but was later written off?
Wikipedia has some book references, but there's at least one web reference that's still archived online: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AT&p_theme=at&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EADA4695E8E4162&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM#profF-117

>>31859893
>>31859480
See the last line of "Combat Losses" for the Wiki statement and citations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk#Combat_loss

>>31858179
>Ricioni

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>>31853217
>yes Brad. You see, it is something we ourselves have been working on for quite some time.

>>31859871

What the fuck would the soviets need stealth for during the cold war.

>>31856404
>lose Kosovo
>get bombed shitless
>luckily shoot down one stealth aircraft
>claim victory

Serbs sure are a special type of people.

>>31859950
?? Are you legimately autistic?
The statement was
>Russia and China haven't been planning on invading foreign nations for the last 50 years

When exactly that has been happening.
Stealth wasn't even involved in that post.
Jesus Christ.

>>31859964
>Serbs

The entire history of the ex yugo region revolves around losing wars and then claiming they won for the next 500 years.

>>31859850
edwards?

>>31859879
Camo is a form of steralth yes but you can't camo a plane. Yeah you can paint it black for night missions or blue/gray for day time sky but active camo still evades us to my knowledge.

>>31853217
Because aerospace engineering is hard enough without having to make it stealthy.

>>31853217
Because their R&D is all state funded instead of whoring out to boeing or lockheed or something to do it all for them.

>>31860213
Your point? Also, active camo for aircraft has been tested in the form of lights under aircraft; I don't mean complex LED arrays or anything, I just mean big ass lightbulbs; apparently if you illuminate the bottom of an aircraft to meet the background brightness, it practically becomes invisible to the naked eye at medium or high altitudes.

>>31860384
>apparently if you illuminate the bottom of an aircraft to meet the background brightness, it practically becomes invisible to the naked eye at medium or high altitudes.

Huh you always learn something new. Also painting your landrover pink apparently makes it blend in more effectively into the desert background due to some natural light spectrum phenomenon but that might as well be some britbong urban legend for all I know.

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>>31855009
>J-20
>prototype stage in current year

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>>31853238
J-20 is already LRIP

H-20 would be the question.

>>31854346
>most countries which could buy the F-35 don't really want it.
It is the opposite. Most of NATO and even several asian powers are set to buy it.