Ok so my uncle wants to buy one of these gimmicks. For 1k I told

>>31852976
let him do what he wants its his money to waste. try to get on his good side so he leaves you the gun in his will.

>>31852985

I mean yeah I don't care if he blows his money away... it's just his stubborn resistance to any reason that is fucking with me...

>>31852985
this
your uncle is an idiot let idiots be idiots.
Even two rounds of birdshot is enough to get rid of most home invaders.

I want one but apparently it's illegal in Washington state?

>>31853000
>it's just his stubborn resistance to any reason that is fucking with me...


Dude, I have a friend like this. It sucks, and you will have to let it go because you can't change them.

>>31853004

I don't want to believe this... I like him and I just want to believe there's something I'm not thinking of saying that will wake him up from his fuddness

>>31853024
him shooting it and missing at 10 yards should have reality slap him in the face

its like the cod kids who want to rent a deagle nothing you say will stop them

Tell him that people already have a hard time killing themselves with birdshot, much less other people, and that if it can't put down a trophy buck it's not going to put down a drugged-up junkie.

http://www.dorriolds.com/2011/08/face-to-face-%E2%80%94-a-mothers-story-of-her-sons-attempted-suicide/

Ask him if that's the home defense gun he wants when rioters are throwing molotovs at houses.

Take him to a range to rent a pistol grip shotgun and have him fire some full house hunting loads from it. Bonus points if you set up a double-layered cardboard target at 25.

Then he might pick something with a shoulder stock...

>>31853050
Whats wromg with renting a deagle? I was going to go to the range and rent one (1st time shooting).

Also isnt deagle more a csgo gun?

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>>31852976
1k? damn, didnt know they went up that high.

let him buy it. its a fun range toy, you'll too shoot it and he'll learn very quickly its nothing but a range toy. i mean, out side of a hallway or stair case i would choose just about anything else i own.

Convince him to at least use gooseshot instead of birdshot.

>>31853008
Not illegal.
Sbs would be but this is an aow

>>31853065

He has fired double aught from my pistol grip shotgun, he hates it. Despite this he insists on a pistol grip shorty, I have no idea why.

Also he says "I can always have six shells on the side of the gun"

>>31853157
nothings inherently wrong with it but its common that a noob wanting to look cool picks out the biggest gun in the rental case which is a deagle or s&w 500 gets one box of ammo then proceeds to miss every shot while killing the ceiling and flagging everyone.
at this point they get pissed off cause guns are hard,kicked off the range for being unsafe or buy another box of ammo and continue missing. they dont give a fuck they are missing since guns are fun.

>>31853257
Where do you buy one?

>>31853356
>"I can always have six shells on the side of the gun"
thats great take away the only advantage of the gun and make it unwieldy
its his money let him buy it

>>31853157
Becuase everyone will know you're a complete tool.

>>31852976
>Not wanting a super shorty for HD
Why not?

>>31853411
Because it's an overpriced memegun. If you want a short NFA firearm for defense, you might as well build a short barreled AR and have 30 shots of 5.56 instead of 3 shots of buckshot (or birdshot like OP's retarded uncle).

>>31853359
Well i hear what your saying but is it really that bad? I do want to rent one though maybe i should just go for a usp or something? Its significantly cheaper to rent too, but seems less fun

Let him do what he wants.

>>31853372
On the Internet.
Have your local trusted gunstore handle the paperwork for you..

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You can do a whole lot better for HD, but you can do a whole lot worse too.

If he's dead set on one, at least convince him to load it with mini shells and put a dot on it.

>>31852976
have you tried convincing him to just buy a normal 18" bbl shotgat and install a top folding stock on it? it would only be a few inches longer and possibly no stamp.

>>31852976
Your uncle is clearly a fucking idiot and deserves whatever outcome that comes as a result of him being a dumbfuck.

has anyone ever suppressed on of these?

>>31853433
rent both but shoot the higher caliber last

>>31853581
Im Australian so the rental price is absurd, it would be $250 aud to rent both

>>31853601
holy shit

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>>31853620

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>>31852976
Just do what I did

two shells? Tell him to use them on his kids because he's too stupid to procreate.

>>31853633
damn
if its your dream to rent a deagle and you are paying that much to do it just do it and enjoy yourself

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>>31853780
>>31853780
Posted wrong one.

The "names" are awful honestly

>>31853653
I've been going back and forth on this fucker for awhile. From a few threads on /k/ really its only slightly smaller than an 18in PGO, although with the grip being inline and not sticking out its more sneeki and backpackable. In another thread a lot of people were saying birdshead is always better because you can shoot it better and moe comfy

all in all its kinda got good aesthetics and is a fuck you to the NFA so i think I might do one. pretty cheap project to have a cool gun.

>>31853982
>pretty cheap project to have a cool gun.
Keep in mind its only $5 to transfer an AOW but it's still $200 to make your own. Might as well do an SBR if youre making your own.

>>31853823
It's .357, worst deagle. Would not rent.

>>31854016
not an AOW nigga if you read the .jpeg it says non-nfa

its a "firearm" over 26in OAL

although it still would be cheaper than 1k to make a SBS serbu clone. Dont they use 590s tho?

$200-$300 for a mossberg
$200 stamp
cut/file/engrave
cut mag spring
probably fuckin $80 for the stupid foregrip

non-nfa 14"
$200-$300 for mossberg PGO
cut and file
$30 for birdshead
$40 for barrel lug
i think the gay strap forend is like $40 if you want it

>>31854061
>Dont they use 590s tho?
They use both mossberg and remington 870
Not sure if its a 500 or 590 though?

>>31854061
>$200-$300 for mossberg PGO
>cut and file
>$30 for birdshead
>$40 for barrel lug
you forgot about the barrel/magtube pretty much the whole front of the gun which is almost 300 in parts direct from mossberg

if you cut a normal 500 barrel down its 15 something
even if you started with a pgo 590 the magtube still needs to be replaced

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>>31852976
Tell him birdshot is for shooting birds.

>>31853008
If it had a stock yes.

>>31852976
maybe you could talk him into a handgun instead?

>>31852976
>such a high concentration of fuddlore memes all in one person

>>31852976
backed out of this thread then came back to help you with your issue. I think the best approach you should take with him, depending on how much time you spend with him, would be some reverse-ish psychology of sorts. Hear me out; you ask him what he is loading for SD, when he says birdshot, just kind of chuckle, maybe drop and "..oh jeez..ha ha.. you think thatll be good enough?" Basically drop these subtle one liners to make him feel doubt or self doubt, and kinda laugh/condescend to him about it, instead of genuinely trying to convince him of his blatant retardation. Maybe then you can slowly work down his guard and get in there to the point where asks you what you would recommend. No idea if this will work based on your relationship with him. If he doesnt really respect you then he probably wont think anything of your remarks, but if he does you might slowly work your way into his psyche. Good luck anon

Bird shot is plenty effective

>>31852976
>What's the best way of talking him out of wasting 1k?
That piece of shit costs more than a Vepr-12? lol

>And yes he believes that racking a shotgun will scare off a home intruder.

I get that this is potentially retarded, and falls under the category of fuddlore, but isn't it correct? Wouldn't 99% of intruders run after being informed that you both know they are there and have a loaded gun? Of course, the other 1% just shoots your dumb ass but still, conceptually its sound.

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>>31857810
>, just kind of chuckle, maybe drop and "..oh jeez..ha ha.. you think thatll be good enough?" Basically drop these subtle one liners to make him feel doubt or self doubt, and kinda laugh/condescend to him about it,

This is literally, LITERALLY "pssh, nothin personell kid" tier.

You are a fucking autistic retard, never advise someone else on how to interact with human beings, and seek help yourself.

>>31853823
Don't go, Lone Ranges is terrible.
The staff are cunts, the guns are chained and bolted in and the entire range is shot to pieces.

Plus they're crooks, go to the international shooting complex north of Whiteman for a much better experience.

>>31858349
>conceptually its sound.
do you rev your engine whenever someone eyeballs your ride? probably not, because it's stupid and inviting trouble. it's one thing to be prepared, and another to give the game away early for no benefit. if you're committed to having a gun to protect home and family, fucking commit to having to use it as it was intended: to fucking kill someone breaking into that home and endangering your family.

>>31858704
do you break into a house with barking dogs? probably not. you're looking for an easy score so on to the next one. you wanna race? you're looking for a challenge and thats why you advertise it.

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Will I get in trouble if I mount one of these under my 20 inch AR?

>>31859069
not if you have an SBS stamp for the Serbu, since it would have a short barrel, made to fire from the shoulder, and uses fixed shells in a smooth bore under 0.5".

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>>31852976
But anon, he's right. For the price you could get an arguably "better" firearm, but for home defense that's a mighty fine option. Don't forget that /k/ is littered with ARaboos who will deny to the heavens about their jam-o-matics flaws. Granted he probably wont be shooting at a distance to show negligible difference, but he's also 100% correct about the birdshot. #7 or #8 will make him happy.
And just to guess, if ol' pappy has a grand for a scatter gat, I'd guess he's not a ghetto dweller. He's probably not too concerned about hardened criminals who are comfortable engaging in a firefight. The sound racking a pump made absolutely will scare off a basic B&E.
You sound like a teenage twat to be honest.

>>31859148
>but for home defense that's a mighty fine option

No it fucking isn't. A regular sized shotgun would be a million times better.

>>31858704


Classic example of retarded school of thought.

FUCKUING FUCKING MUH KILL MUH FUCK!!1 REEE!!

This guy should be a cop!

>>31859157
Except you're wrong, and it wouldn't. He's not slug hunting at 70m. He's in a close quarters. The short barrel is better.

>>31859148


In before butthurt AR kiddy comes crying.

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>>31858391
>seek help yourself.
Not him, and I agree, but you should seek a higher resolution image instead of a thumbnail.

Post one of your guns right now, that shit you just said was retarded. A normal sized shotgun

>holds more than 2 fucking shells in a tube
>easier to manage recoil with stock


It has nothing to do with shot patterning you fuckstick.

>>31859183
obviously meant for >>31859174

>>31859183
>i have tiny girl hands, i cant use pistol grips
>hurr durr youre retarded
not an arguement, kiddo. even that basic sbs holds more than 2 shells. fuck off with your nonsense

>>31859196
>thinks pistol grips are better for shotguns

POST
YOUR
GUNS

>>31859196
>even that basic sbs holds more than 2 shells

>SBS in question has a 2+1 capacity

Retard.

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>>31859200
i actually have a birdshead on mine right now, but for home defense? yeah, i do. go ahead and reverse image search: its mine

youre a fucking idiot who has no idea what theyre talking about

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>>31859227
>I have a birds head

Nice meme grip you dumb faggot. You use it to shove it up your ass? Pistol grip shotguns are for retards, so I guess they fit you just fine.

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>>31859210
yeah thats my bad. i didnt really look close, its a serbu. youre right its 2+1.
i still stand firm on my opinion of short barrels and pistol grips for home defense

>>31859236
little girl wrists detected
i bet you carry a subcompact too

>>31859236
>owns a 5.56 AK
>calls others retards

>>31859242
>g-g-g-girl wrists!!!
> because I'm not a mallninja use has to have a pistol grip on everything


And I carry a fullsize so keep projecting

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>>31859243
>owns no guns
>calls others retards

>>31859249
>i cant come with a solid counter argument as to why those features on a firearm arent effective for home defense, so ill call you a mall ninja
>5.56 AK, not a mallninja
ok, kiddo

>>31859260
>mallninja for owning an AK

Keep digging that hole deeper, dumbshit.

>>31859264
>mallninja for owning a pistol grip
you broke ground first, my hole digging friend

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>>31859254
lmfao

>>31859242
Why would a man with girly wrists carry a gun that kicks harder?

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>>31859321
A damn fine question, anon. I couldn't tell you. You'd have to ask him.

>home defense
>shotgun

tell him to get a nugget and keep the bayonet on it at all times

>jamal breaks in at 3 AM
>grab trusty nugget from corner of room next to your bed
>maneuver it though the hallway, listening for jamal's locartion
>look around corner into open room
>see jamal going through your desk
>line up sights
>fire
>jamal is now mortally wounded by glorious soviet surplus ammo
>run him through with bayonet just to make sure the threat is neutralized

>>31859093
Wrong. ATF has directly stated that under slinging an AOW to a rifle does not change its classification.

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Anyway, OP, just tell him to get a KSG. They're the non-retarded way to do a short shotgun.

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>>31859157
>>31859183
>>31859200
>>31859236
>>31859249
>>31859254
>>31859264
>being this buttblasted because you're too stubborn to admit that full length stocks and barrels are inferior for a CQC home defense situation
Your only criticism of pistol grips is your own weak wrists, then you resorted to name calling.

>>31859642
Yeah but that's wrong though.

can you CC it tho? or buy a redwife beater and some sunglasses too and one liners

>>31860608
You can try, anyway.

>>31853157
The deagle is pretty much a katana in the sense that they are both memes

>>31853601
If you want to rent a deagle go ahead, but be warned they probably are not very fun to shoot due to the weight and recoil combined. It's mostly the kind of gun you would put on your wall.

>>31853065

In the link there is a quote.

"I was a big guy"

For you...

>>31853653

Can this be purchased? or are you >it must be made?

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>>31860813
What about the baby eagle?

>>31852976
I've always wondered why anyone would buy this at literally 4-5X the price of a normal shotty? Unless you work security like a bodyguard job or you're a store-owner in a shitty neighbourhood and want a bit of extra compact oompf under your counter what's the point outside of subjective reasons?

>>31853433
Shooting anything higher than a .22 is fun. Deagles just look "cool" but in a practical situation I'd much rather be out and about with my glock

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>>31860907
It's a baby katana, so it's not a meme yet.

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>>31860907
Weebs and people who like Israel.

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>>31852976

I would easily spend $3k + stamp on pic related, but I don't think any even exist in the US in firing conidtion, just inert movie props.

>>31857810

Op here, thanks for the advice but he won't fall for that. We are really close, he is stubborn.

I showed him this thread and he just laughed at most responses and said these are all "gun KNOW it all wannabes"

this is his problem, he really thinks he gets home defense but every argument he makes is so idealized.

Like he told me "I will always have the drop on the intruder anyways" I told him that's not always the case and he just blew it off.

Pretty sure I've lost this one lmao I can't convince him into anything else

>>31860885
They're piss easy to make, but one or two companies have prebuilt ones for like 700 I think.

>>31860992
just make your own lolw

>>31859148

I'm 23, we are above middle class. In all honesty, our homes will never be broken into outside of MAJOR happening level stuff.

I'm just arguing principles with him at this point, and I'm part Jewish so the thought of spending 1k on a gimmick is boiling my blood.

>>31861044
>our homes will never be broken into
>quote from man burgled

>>31860907
It's a cz75 clone, so use that as a base for comparison in terms of accuracy and reliability
The jericho from iwi doesn't have a decocker on the safety, but the magnum research one and the older imi made magnum research models should have it.
Decent gun, would shoot/10

>>31861019

It's a Franchi PA3. To make my own I'd have to find a Franchi PA8, of which there are maybe a handful in the US. Then I'd have to source the foregrip from Christ-knows-where.

>>31861010

Thanks m8

Would you mind telling me which companys?

>>31853633
>>31853823
Oh shit nigga, you live in Western Australia, I recognize that laughable shit anytime.

>>31861162
Uhh I think 802 traders had one and they pop up on gunbroker now and again. Just googs it.

>>31861049

We live in a neighborhood with 24hr armed security.

>>31860988
Why weebs? Isn't IWI Israeli?

>>31861537
Cowboy bebop

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>>31853207
Home defense, outside of a hallway or staircase?

Seems like those would be the best places to do it.

I would still try to guide him to one of these.

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>>31861603
Oh, I see now. Kinda nice touch, miss this since I've watched on fucking toonami

>>31853157
deagles an aks are all kids shoot at my lgr