/GQ/ gear queer thread

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>guns r gettin b& edition

>>31832049
>WASR-10
>with mismatched furniture
>and a korean mag
>and a chinese chest rig
>and a gadsden flag
jesus

Given unlimited budget, what is the best pl8 carrier I can buy?

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Hey gear queers, can I get some camo recommendations?

I live in south TX and I'm wondering which mil surp camo pattern would be best for me.

>>31831907
>fat neckbearded nerf cosplayer
>still more operator than fagimus armorus

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>>31832289
This is only the beginning... (keks internally)

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>>31832393
/gq/ never change

How shitty is Tasmanian Tiger gear?
All the reviews I could find were from yurokek airshit sites, so it seems to be poorly-made chinese crap marketed towards them.

>>31832452
I've heard it has good reputation among some ruski special forces.

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>>31832452
> Tasmanian Tiger gear
Bait or not this is top kek

>>31832452
seriously however its good equipment for what it is just the name that's funny.

>>31832420
You look like a mass shooter.
Something about those dead eyes...

>>31832408
>>31832420
the living, breathing version of the
>$4000 worth of gear killed by a $.75 bullet
meme

>>31831907

Why are so many gear queers fucking fat? Gear doesn't serve as good a purpose if you can't move

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>>31832583
because gearqueer faggots are roleplayers.
They don't realise that fitness, a good blanket and a tarp and knowledge of the wilderness are better than an ak and 10 mags in the SHTF.


GearQueer faggots have little to no outdoor experience, and when the SHTF does happen they'll go out with their expensive gear and get shot by a hick with a hunting rifle.

>>31832338
Skin a cow

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>>31832644
Will do.

Any other recommendations?

>>31832634

What kills me is that they go so overboard on the gear that it surpasses practicality.

Chest rig? Okay.

Leg holster? Alright, sure.

Covering yourself head-to-toe in stupid shit so that you look like an edgy 90's comic book character? Fucking dumb, man.

>>31832338
Where in south? I find tigerstripe to work really good rn.

>>31832452
Soldiers deployed in Afghanistan used it.
If it's good enough for them, it's probably good enough for you.

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>>31832583
They don't do enough squats

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>>31832672
I agree, when will we get the old /gq/ back?

>>31832650
>WASR10
Perhaps 7lb unloaded?
>7 loaded plastic AK mags in total
11.5lb or so
>Glock 21
1.5lb unloaded?
>3 mags in total
I'm guessing 2.5-3lb

>Total
22.5-23lb? (10.2-10.4kg?)

Seems quite reasonable. At least you didn't go full retard and try to have 10 spare mags and 4+ spare pistol mags. I think 4 mags only makes sense if it's a single-stack side-arm, and not a back-up. I also like the lack of attachments on that AK, though if I might make a suggestion; a flashlight. Even if it's just one that's taped onto the side with the button available for pressing.

>>31832743
ive thought of doing that recently as well, just not sure how i wanna do it or which light i want. thanks for the look over

>>31832784
If you have a flashlight you want to use, look up "ranger bands".

>>31832784
No problem. For some reason, I fucking LOVE working out the weight of loadouts. I've got a lot of info put to memory, so it's not exactly an EXACT science, but I like to think I'm not far off. A lot of question marks, a lot of 'roughly', a lot of 'or so', but all in all the total result shouldn't be very far off.

If it were me, I'd probably cut it down to 4 spare mags instead of 6 to save about 3.3lb or so, and though I LOVE .45 ACP, I'd probably go with something in 9mm to further lessen the weight. 230gr .45 ACP weighs 21 rounds per pound while 115gr 9x19 weighs about 35-38 rounds per pound, so almost half as much. A compact pistol might help as well, even though I'm a fan of full sized firearms. My top 3 favourite pistols are the M1911A1, Hi Power, and TT-33, so I'm not really one to be suggesting compact. I just figure that since you're going with the meaty 7.62x39 instead of 5.56 or 5.45, you ought to save weight where you can. Still, can't go wrong with 250 rounds at less than 25lb. Having no optic helped, and having a realistic amount of mags also helped, not to mention plastic mags instead of steel.

>>31832876
well that handgun is my preferred choice, ive tried this rig with others when i hog hunt out in the country, but i always end up going back to the glock 21.

The Ak is going to get an optic at some point this up coming year, just not sure when, also i feel the the spacing is weird with the SADF rig when i carry less than 6 mags, and i dont have anything that will fill one of the double mag pouches nicely, so im sticking with 6 mags

Lastly any flashlight suggestions?

>>31832576
6mm plastic bb's cost much less than $.75 each anon

>>31832687
Around new Braunfels.

I'll look into tiger, thanks.

>>31832909
whens the new video yo.

>>31832972
Just put up the delta x video. Working on the Steiner video now.

>>31832918
I see, well I'd advise going with a small scope. Focus on something light, and I'd stay below 4x magnification. Above all, make sure it either can come off easily, or allows for use of the irons by looking under the optic. At least that's what I'd go for; no need for anything too powerful if you're not likely to go beyond 400m, and I can't stand a firearm that's made to use optics and ONLY optics.

If the G21 is for you, then power to you, it's good to know what works for you, and 6 spare mags is far from excessive in my opinion. As for flashlights, I don't know, I'm not keen on attachments or accessories, but I just know the value of at least having a flashlight. Should be some cheap Made in China flashlights available on ebay or something that you can have strapped to your head. They come with a literal band or two to keep it secure, likely LED to make it power efficient, and push-button to turn on. Probably 3 or 4 settings; Off, Some LEDs, Most LEDs, All LEDs, or something like that. I just think it's best to have as little on the firearm as possible to keep it light, nimble, and as non-bulky as possible.

Also, if you go with a non-magnifying red-dot, shame on you. You'd be better off just getting some glow in the dark paint to put on your irons. As far as I'm concerned, non-magnifying optics are a waste of money, a waste of weight, and only serves to make your firearm more bulky.

Of course, most of this is just my own opinion, so take it with a grain of salt; everyone's preferences differ. It's safe to call me a minimalist, and probably a traditionalist as well.

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>>31832981
neat. have you tried much distance with the steiner?

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>>31833023
Only out to 400m using my 10.3 meme gun

>>31833008
i wanna get a simple x2 dot sight, but i can understand your disdain for non magnifying optics

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>>31833076
best memegun though.

>>31833140
Never really liked the Elcan 1-4x all that much. Of-course the ones we had were of the older un updated arms mount.

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>>31833197
I don't like them either, think they're overpriced, too heavy, and a gimmick really.

>>31832918
>Lastly any flashlight suggestions?
Flashlights seem to be one of those technologies that are constantly advancing. Don't get something so bright that it blinds you though. I like the Insight WML for good ergos, but some of their old models have been known to break.

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>>31833207
Good for their time, but the TR24 outpaced it back when. And now that we have excellent 1-6x options. Well, it's fairly obsolete. Though it does look cool as fuck.

Why do you guys have nicer ARs than /arg/?

>>31833237
because /arg/ has no taste.

>>31832289
The furniture matches now and I have east german steel mags now. Im just to lazy to update the picture.

>>31833103
Sounds decent. I don't think the x2 magnification would be enough to outweigh the added cost/weight/bulk of the firearm, but at least it's doing something to help. As long as you'll be able to co-witness, look under the optic for the irons, or be able to quickly remove the optic, then I'm all for it. Here's a few loadouts that I had available before sadly being removed from my beloved firearms.

>No.4 Lee Enfield with cruciform bayonet/sling/brass oil can/pull-through
Perhaps 9.5lb unloaded
>Two 10-clip bandoliers of handloaded Mk.VII Ball .303 British (plus 9+1 in rifle)
Perhaps 6.5lb
>Stainless steel M1911A1 Mil Spec
About 2.5lb unloaded
>5 7-rnd mags (No, not 8-rounders, no particular reason, I just prefer classic 7-rnd mags)
Perhaps 2.5lb

>Total
21lb

>SVT-40 w/ sling
8lb unloaded
>Two 8-clip ammo pouches (plus 5+1 in rifle; fucking Canadian mag limit for semi-auto centerfire)
Perhaps 5.5lb
>Hi Power
About 2.2lb unloaded
>3 mags
Around 1.5lb

>Total
17.2lb (Wow, that's a nice and light one, but only about 123 rounds)

>SKS w/ bayonet, sling, cleaning kit, and 20-rnd Tapco mag (original mag broke, sadly; badly welded pin)
8.5lb unloaded?
>Two 4-clip ammo pouches (plus 19+1 in rifle; weak aluminium pin in the mag can be easily removed)
Perhaps 7.5lb
>CZ-75 Pre-B
Perhaps 2.2lb unloaded
>4 mags
Around 2.3lb perhaps?

>Total
20.5lb (Not bad for about 150 rounds, I figure)

>M91/30 w/ sling and 3.5x PU scope
Probably about 9.5lb
>Two 6-clip pouches but with 40 loose rounds crammed in each instead (plus 4+1 in rifle)
Around 5lb I figure
>TT-33
1.7lb unloaded
>5 mags
2lb?

>Total
18.2lb

Not bad for a Canuck, eh?

>>31833253
This, to the max.

>>31833281
oooh your a leaf, i was reading the list and was wondering when i would see an AR or AK, but then i saw that, makes sense

>>31832909
what jacket is this?

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>>31833218
they definitely have an aesthetic to them.

>>31832334
Condor

>>31833298

ORC PCU (not patagonia) Level 4. You can find them on ebay. Best issued item ever.

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>>31833281
mine weighs bout tree fiddy

>>31833339

mfw blind people can stitch bomb proof soft shells but they can't put together a freaking pen to save their lives, thanks lighthouse. #chairforceproblems

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>>31833339
>>31833366
oh, neat i have the old ORC woodland rain gear. I should get one of those shells they look comfy.

>>31833294
Once I get my license back, I'll be getting myself a Norinco M305 (I think that's the name, basically a Chinese M1A), a Mini-14 (hopefully one that accepts clips), and possibly a CZ-858 (semi-auto-only vZ.58). That'll mix things up, but since the CZ will be pinned to 5 rounds and I don't intend to use anything but clips to reload a 5 round mag, I'd be using it essentially in the same way as my SKS, though if those 30-rnd mags have those weak aluminium pins, then I'll buy a few. In a SHTF scenario, it wouldn't take all that long with a pocketknife to wrench those pins out to access teh full 30 round capacity. Don't ask me how I know that... but like I said, I've sadly lost my firearms anyways, so it's not like I've got anything illegal right now. Still, whether or not they allow me to get my license again, I WILL become a gun owner, I don't care if I have to go the illegal route. I'll stick to legal if I can, but it won't stop me, I'd rather die or go to jail than be gunless for the rest of my life.

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>>31833351
>351
>bout tree fiddy
I've been looking for a good backpack. Any recommendations?

>>31831995
Where'd you get that patch? Love it.

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rate the rattlecan

i ran out of green and want to redo it but its kinda growing on me
and you dont need a lot of pine needles. too many will just blur

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>>31833366
goddamn fact. Also their "Duct tape"

>>31833418
Oh hell yeah, I have great fucking memories in those things.

>>31833499
looks fine to me

>>31832767
you goofy looking ginger

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>>31833533
>dubs confirm

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In for getting cockblocked out of a chance to test GPNVG-18s. Expect L-3 Inisight Division insider info soon, whenever I get around to writing it up.

>>31833499
>>31833556
that stock is cancer tho.

>>31833466
i get ya brother, i would never live where i couldn't arm myself

>>31833481
last link in the sticky >>31823295

>>31833517
What organization?

>>31833575
eh
it was free. i cant bring myself to buy a ctr yet as it doesnt rattle too bad

>>31833596
I mean second to last. It's in the pastebin.

>>31833608
>ctr
get a bcm or mft instead.

your gun will look more gucci

>>31833517
Assuming that is GarandThumb posting. USAF SERE.

>>31832909

I love your voice senpai :3

>>31833556
yo if you are looking for a new stock Botach (I know they seem iffy at times but tons of anons say they have done business with them and had no problems) has B5 Enhanced SOPMOD stocks for $49.99 right now.

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>>31833351
the thumbnail made your belt look like a katana for a minute.

nice minimalist kit. thanks for not posting a katana

>>31833622
i had a mft and really like the concave, bowed out roll on the stock.

>>31833638
hot damn

SADF 83 Chest Rig Question????

anyone know a canteen / water bottle that will fit? was thinking of getting a stanley flask but its only 8 oz

>>31833237
only like 2 people do

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>>31833690
still nicer than most of /arg/s though

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>>31833662
i put a 16 oz metal canteen in my smoke grenade pouch

>>31833703
most of arg is made up of poorfags. you and garand have nice ARs and thats about it. a few of the arg tripfags have nice ARs

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>>31833690
>>31833703
>>31833719
is mine shit?

>>31833711
awesome
mucho grass ass

>>31833730
>mft and alg
yes

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>gear queers

>>31833738
>alg
nothing on my rifle is made by alg

>>31833777
then that rail is even worse. is it chink shit?

>>31833730
its average.

>>31832767
>RAILED AK DUST COVER
>Not a side mounted dovetail bracket
>MultiFam helmet, woodie bottom, random jacket, tan gear
>Second gun not in bag on back
>AK mags hanging out of woodie pockets

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TRY TO MATCH YOUR GEAR. You're not an allahu akbarian who gets secondhand mismatch shit, you can buy what you want. Also, go order a couple of AK double or quad mag pouches from SSO and stick them on your belt, will make it so they won't just fall out of your pockets.

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>>31832650
>azov

MY BOY

>>31833730
>camo was abandoned because it was so completely and utterly shit at everything.

Too bad, because it's aesthetic as fuck.

>>31833794
no it's a viking tactics alpha rail.
>>31833799
good
>>31833814
they made good bathrobes

>>31833804
>You're not an allahu akbarian who gets secondhand mismatch shit,
Not him, but this basically describes my equipment exactly.

>>31833804
>this faggot doesn't get that, that image is a joke.

>>31833822
meh tier ar desu

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>>31833863
yep because the furniture is what decides the quality of a rifle.

>>31833804
>TRY TO MATCH YOUR GEAR
Unless it's Multi-cam, then you're a """try hard""".

>>31833351
CZ?

>>31833887
furniture is very important when considering gucciness of an AR.

what barrel, trigger, optic, and irons do you have?

>>31832452
Tasmanian Tiger is better than 5.11 : no loose threads, more sewing in critical areas. The design is a little different and sometimes weird. As a europoor I don't have many choices in gear, I got some things from SOE : very very good, not cheap. Most of my EDC and gear is from TT and I firmly believe it can survive rough conditions. We have TOE concept in France that provide the army with cheap gear, not bad but definitely not the quality of TT so some soldiers buy their own gear.
5.11 is used mostly by police and rapid response units.

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>>31833892
Multicam is shit tier camo. Always say that. I'm the poster you're replying to, and FUCK multicam. All multi-senpai clad fuckers should be removed from the premises at once. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATE. NO REFUNDS.

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>>31833804
kek, triggered another one

>>31833911
https://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-arms-mountain-series-cold-hammer-forged-barrel-5-56mm-nato

i ordered a geissele ssa

no optic but i'm shopping for a variable

i have Daniel defense fixed irons.

>>31833892

But multicam blobs look fucking awful. See armored faggot for a perfect example. It's cool to run multicam but you need to break up the pattern with some solid colors here and there for maximum asthetic.

>implying gq threads are about functionality and not about looking effay
>get your shit together senpai

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Just posting some orgastic Finnish m05.

>>31833954
average desu

nice furniture will elevate your ar

>>31833954
the dd fixed are nice but you can take them to the next level. get a National Match front post. as they are at 300yds they almost cover a man sized steel

>>31833902
Yes.

>>31833911
I know you weren't asking me, but I'm >>31833351
>FN barrel
>PSA trigger
>Trijcon night sights

>>31834007
thats a basic AR. nothing wrong with that

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>>31833596
USAF SERE Specialist

>>31833628
Si

>>31833634
Thanks Senpai :3

>>31832408
You genuinely need to kill yourself autistus maximus

>>31834034
i agree

>>31834028
>dd grip
why senpai

>>31834075
Factory DD build.

>>31834086
ahh, do you like it? most people hate the dd furniture

>>31833810
Da, its good
i got it in color and green

>>31834103

Swapped out the Buttstock. Pistol grip is fine

>>31834028
>>31833076
>>31832909
can we get more wallpaper style pictures of you??
for reasons

>>31833730
>>31833822
what kinda camo goes well with this jacket? that i can wear for pants? or are jeans gucci enough?

>>31834169
>Swapped out the Buttstock.
gotcha, this is where i see most complaints.

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>>31834251
woodland or desert 3 color.

its a really bad camo though, when viewed under IR it gives away your position pretty immediately.

>>31834178
Once I get home I'll post more up for you

>>31834282
well it looks so gucci, what can it do well?

>>31834291
thank you sempai

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>>31834299
well you can head to airsoft matches and look gucci. it's a pretty decent camo and you can usually find them for 15 bucks, but just know the entire purpose it was made for became obsolete pretty much immediately after its issue.

>>31833746
> Ron Paul
> Hitler

O, the unintentional irony of being a fanboy of two irreconcilable political systems.

Pretty much the same as SJWs who call themselves "Anarcho-Socialists"

>>31834383
How is it ironic?

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>>31834251
jeans are fine
dcu is gucci
chocolate chip is gucci
woodland is gucci
solid od is fine
solid tan is fine
it can look ok with multicam

as far as gear colors tho only green and woodland wearing tan gear with it looks gay.

>>31832561
>>31832452
I only buy from them, because after what my 3 Mag holder has gone through and survived (6 IEDS) with barely any damage amazed me. And they come in OD Green so they match my gear.

>>31834334
>>31834282
>>31833730
desu in my environment MA its not half bad especially on overcast/ rainy days in the forest.

>>31834455
i see you cut your sleeves short, what for? i got one last week and haven't done anything with it yet

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>>31834557
https://www.rddusa.com/shop/u-s-g-i-military-night-desert-medium-parka-2

if you want one then here is the place to get it. they got larges for $15

just a heads up. if you want it to fit like a normal jacket order one size smaller then your BDU size. in the pictures i posted i am wearing a large that has been cut down. i wear large regular bdus. a medium desert night parka fits me like a normal hoodie but goes down to my thighs. a large is really baggy and goes down to my knees like its supposed to because you wear it over gear.

>>31834594
i didnt cut the sleeves short i removed the elastic on that one because it was completely shot and it was getting in the way. i and going to roll the cuffs and sew them and add a velcro closure. i just haven't had access to a sewing machine.

i have other parkas that i haven't cut up that have good elastic and are in better condition that i'm saving.

i really want one like skeletors that has opaque material in the hood. I have had 5 different parkas now and none of them have been like his.

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>>31833746
>polyester NSDAP flag
>polyester flags in general

>>31834654
would you recommend removing the elastic or keeping it?

And can i cut the bottom so it only goes down to my waist?

Also that picture totally gives me the bandit A E S T H E T C V I B E

>>31832924
K E K

PPI 10x12 Swimmer Cut Plate, Level III/IV ICW on clearance if anyone is looking for plates $99

>>31834751
where?

>>31834761
SKD

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>>31834719
i would recommend it only if the elastic is too stretched out/dried and old and shitty

the parkas are still available and cheap so there isn't any reason to be squeamish about cutting on them. the ones in those pictures is missing 6 to 8 inches off the bottom. i cut it and then folded it over and sewed it by hand to keep it from fraying while i wait for a sewing machine. I'm using the extra material to put pockets on the sleeves.

i say if you want it to be shorter then cut it but cut it lower then you want so you can has a hem and make it look nice. if the elastic is shit or your sleeves are just too long for you then cut them too. You can order another one for 15 bucks right now at the site i linked so i dont see why you wouldnt get one as a project piece and have another to save for historical aesthetics

>>31834787
thanks, ima go get my scissors and sewing kit right now

>>31834751
Fair warning, PPI filed for bankruptcy in 2010. I can't any testing or reviews for this plate. >>31834751

>>31834787
Looking cheeki breeki, bro!

>>31834383
>Anarcho-socialists
Ask them how the spanish civil war went amirite?

>>31833638
fuck, they sold out. and then put them back on at normal MSRP

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r8

>>31835172
What's that behind your dump pouch?

>>31835222
looks like an Israeli bandage in a slide out med tray

>>31835228
Is it just held there with velco?

>>31835222
blowout Ifak
celox guaze
Israeli bandage
latex gloves
H&H compression guaze
npa
tape

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>>31834787
>>31834654
>>31834455
>>31834282
>>31833730

Can i be a Bandit with you guys?

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>>31835262
fuckin sideways pictures

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Just panic put my name on the list for the mountain hardware tent group buy on arfcom

And this after I panic bought a pair of plates this morning

>Being home sick during the pre-election is going to bankrupt me, but leave me well equipped.

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>>31835172

Nice gear, your AVS is setup in a very similar fashion to mine. One thing I might suggest (based on the assumption you have a Crye rollup dump pouch which I seem to recall) is that you move said dump pouch to the front of your vest like so. The velcro can be affixed to the plate pocket without interfering with its button snap closure.

The major advantage of having it right in front of you is two fold: Not only is the distance between the weapon and dump pouch reduced (minimizing excessive waste movement, and thus making you faster) but it also grants you the ability to actually see what you're reaching for or grabbing out when needed without just digging by feel.

On top of that it's a handy pull out GP pouch in a pinch and it folds up easily when you don't need it.

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>>31832452
Once again, seeing as im the only person who buys tasmanian tiger here i will just tell you its just as good as anything else because nobody here will ever actually use their PC for anything more than dressup. For fucks sake. Its not airsoft tier, there are european units/people that use them. Theres maritime security that uses it and I think some sort of weird canadians use it too.

Its low pro though so you only get the benefits of it if you go lowpro like I do. I have nothing against it personally, 1 size fits all its all good.

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>>31832918
Streamlight makes a solid light to have on your person.

I use this one everyday for work.

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>>31835275
lets do it homie

>>31835361
cheeki breeki bro

>>31835359
>Streamlight
>Solid
not so much
But it is a solid second, or really third string choice these days.

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>>31832408
Can you even move in all that shit? It seem like the simplest of actions, like going prone, would be difficult.

Oh who am I kidding? You're just an airshitter.

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Fucking sideways.

>>31835299
The crye roll-up dump bag is more for a niche gp pouch than anything since I usually have the dump base covered in my setups.

I thought about putting it in the front, but I'm reserving the space for an LBT TQ holder

>On top of that it's a handy pull out GP pouch in a pinch and it folds up easily when you don't need it
agreed

>>31831995
I just bought my first patch because of this post. What the fuck has my life come to?

>>31832634
I think you're judging a few fags here as all gearfags. A good portion of us do in fact have a lot of outdoor experience. I for one hike and camp all the time. My outdoors gear is pretty much just civilian gear. It's usually comfier and lighter than the milsurp equivilant.

The gq stuff I own I got for funsies. I though it'd be fun to take a few classes and then go out with my buds innadesert and actually practice. And guess what, it is fun. Am I glad I own this shit considering the state of the world currently? Absolutely. But, that wasn't the original reason for buying my stuff.

Do yourself a favor and don't take idiots like faggotus maximus seriously. He's just some autist who wants to seem cool, I promise the rest of us aren't that retarded.

>>31832741
What is the old /gq/? I just got here. What can I do to help?

>>31832767

Why don't you have your finger on the trigger?

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>>31832408
Holy shit it's CTRG, Tanoa is lost.

>>31833703
This has to be the shittiest AR I've seen in my life.

>>31835481
kek

>his weapon light isn't a weapon
tier zero flashlight, everything else is shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKzrnKR3Ts

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Heil Reich
>when you operate innametro

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Are pistol caliber carbines and subguns obsolete? I want a PCC just for the aesthetic and that fun factor. Is there really no point to carrying something like an MP5 or Uzi anymore? Also, on a scale of wearing-a-hoodie-and-jeans to literally being Chris-Chan, how cringe would it be to get a bump helmet like this for shits and giggles? The kit I'm working on for fun is kind of based on the CIA hit squad from S3E2 of The X-Files, with some influences from 90s SOF photographs.

>>31833499
3/10. You can do better.

>>31836087
Pistol rounds still kill, so no, but in a strange way, yes, pistol caliber carbines/SMGs are obsolete, and here's why. First, please answer this question...

Would you prefer a firearm that shoots intermediate cartridges, or pistol cartridges?

If you chose pistol cartridges, then go ahead and use it, but I think MOST people would choose intermediate. The thing is, they both weigh about the same... yet intermediate will give you much greater distance.

.223/556/5.45/9x19 all weigh about 35-38 rounds per pound, unless you start getting up to 147gr 9x19 in which case you'll probably get less than 35 rounds per pound.

7.62x39 is around 30 rounds per pound.

230gr Ball .45 ACP is about 21 rounds per pound

150gr M80 Ball 7.62 Nato is about 18 rounds per pound

So in terms of .45 ACP carbines or SMGs, yes, I'd say they're obsolete because even AK ammo is lighter yet will get you out to 300-400m or possibly even a little further in an SKS. For 9mm carbines/SMGs, sure you could use it, but wouldn't .223/5.56/5.45 be better? More accurate, flatter trajectory, and I'm quite certain it has more energy as well.

Still, within 100-150m, it doesn't really matter whether you're shooting 9mm, .45, 5.56, 7.62x39, or whatever, it's all lethal, and the most important thing is shot placement. Doesn't matter if one of those is more accurate than another, you can be shooting a 1MOA 5.56 or you could be shooting a shitty old beat-up 3-4MOA AKM made in the 1960s that hasn't been cleaned since 'Nam, hitting a still target at a calm shooting range at 100m is one thing, but if shit is going down, your heart is racing, pupils dilating, adrenaline pumping, and all that other shit that it sounds like I'm trying to know about combat but we all know I don't, then it doesn't much matter if you're shooting 1MOA or 4MOA, it's going to be hard to hit the target, much less on the EXACT spot that you WANT to hit it.

It's getting out to 200-400m where you'd be wishing you had more.

>>31831907
What is his primary blaster?

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>>31836190
What attracts me to subguns/PCCs is that the ammunition is cheaper and that I can potentially carry more magazines on me. And besides that, in any situation where I might actually have to use this stuff, I don't think I'd want to engage a guy more than 150m away. That's just asking for trouble, in my opinion. However, I'm probably never going to have to use this stuff (and thank God for that), so the cheaper ammunition is probably the most realistic draw. Also, the cool factor of being able to go fuck around innawoods like pic related.

Anyone else wear hunting camo instead of military camo?

>>31836301
In most of the continental US, wearing a Mossy Oak or Realtree hoodie is socially-acceptable. Even in some urban areas, where it has recently become fashionable among the type of people who wear Obey shirts and collectible sneakers, although that will probably not last for long. You're honestly better off wearing hunting camo if you absolutely have to wear camo, since people don't associate it with the military. The only other camo I know of that is associated with civilians is M81 Woodland, but you'd have to go for the homeless tweaker look to blend in with a crowd with that.

>>31836252
Did I not just inform you that pistol ammo weighs about as much as intermediate ammo? In terms of size, sure, pistol mags are skinnier, but they'll weigh just as much as intermediate mags. Or at least damn close, so close as to be negligible.

Still, if you want it for the cheaper munition, then power to you, and you're right, beyond 150m is pretty damn unlikely. In terms of weight though, no, a 9mm SMG wouldn't allow you to carry more ammo than an assault rifle in 5.56 or 5.45.

>>31835275
>>31835361
>>31835429
>>31835437
Yall niggas actually have plates in there?

>>31836252
In fact, if you go with a silenced/suppressed SMG with subsonic 147gr 9x19, then it would actually be HEAVIER than .223/5.56/5.45. Someone with an assault rifle in one of those cartridges would have LIGHTER ammo than you, even though it's 9x19, but bullet weight makes a BIG difference.

>>31836087
>>31836190
this

but i will add that if you want a really small handy package with light recoil and quick follow up shots then small 7.62x39 rifles are out.

the real choice here is between a 9mm subgun (because we can't own smgs) and an sbr in 5.56/545

there is more capability in an SBR then a 9mm subgun of the same size but you can probably get a smaller subgun

>>31836350
I meant for like shtf.

>>31836385
I would fucking love it if someone broke out some pics of removing Dinner plates from a vest... that would be hysterical.

>>31836385
yes? why would i spend all this money putting pouches on a plate carrier if it didnt have armor. i would just buy a chest rig. rifle plates were the first piece of gear i bought.

>>31836385
yeppers i do goos sir

>>31836408
*good sir

>>31836395
Ammo weighs about the same though when comparing 9mm to .223/5.56/5.45. Especially if it's 147gr 9x19, which is likely approaching the weight of 123gr M43 7.62x39.

>>31836385
I have AR500s that I back with kevlar personally but most of the time I have cardboard i cut up and taped together. Why the fuck play dressup with real plates? Rather go to nuggetfest and wear fakeplates.

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when speed is favored over protection.

>>31836427
I thought it was "when its 100 out and the humidity is over 90.". fag.

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New rifle

>>31836423
Of all the places to wear fake plates to, mongolian basket weaving forum meet-up with guns isn't on the top of my list

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>>31836374
I'm not talking about weight. I'm talking about the size of magazines. On a good belt setup that's rigid enough to handle the weight, I could carry three or four 9mm magazines in the same space as two 5.56 magazines. Under a big winter-weight Carhartt, that means I would be able to conceal 90-120 rounds instead of 60, which ultimately would be better if I were to get into some shit with someone across a street or wherever. At the very least, it would give me some security in the sense that I know I'll be able to keep firing longer. But like I said, these kinds of situations have less than a 0.01% chance of happening, so this is mostly for recreation and the price of ammunition wins out over everything else. And besides that, I have a small frame (5'6") and find the recoil of 9mm more manageable over time than 5.56/7.62x39/.308 recoil.

>>31836397
In SHTF, you still want to look civilian.

>>31836452
>implying ar500 is "fake plates"

look i get the meme and agree they aren't the best but actually beleiving it wont stop the majority of common small arms is fucking autistic

>>31836427
Speed over protection is wearing no armor at all...

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>>31836468
> but most of the time I have cardboard i cut up and taped together.

Did you just not read the post I replied to, you retard?

>>31836468
>what is reading comprehension

>>31836468
I said "I wear fake cardboard plates when i dont want to carry 999 pounds". He's in the right anon its ok.

>>31836480
>>31836484
>>31836486
i'm fucking retarded, excuse me.

>>31836498
Its ok anon. Nobody is judging you.

Nah who am i kidding your fucking retarded.

>>31836504
atleast i'm not a tripfag

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what did he crop out?

>>31836457
Fair enough, point taken. Just sounded like you were talking about weight, which directly contradicted what I was talking about. Sounds like we're on the same page, and as someone else has stated I think, the 9mm firearm will likely be more compact than the intermediate firing firearm, not to mention it will be less detrimental to have a short barrel, in fact not really detrimental at all...

>>31836517
Why not? I am responsible for what I say and I prove I own what I own and have the experience I have. I am a respectable source of specific information and strive to continue to be helpful to others with questions.


And I want to be known for my amazing ability to shitpost louder than anybody else.

Is MFH an okay brand, or is it airshit? I think they make some items for the Bundeswehr but I can't tell what is commercial or not.

>>31836427
THICC/10 would penetrate your armor
You really got the hourglass body type

>>31836547
>"I am a respectable source"
>only owns ar500 plates
>doesn't even wear them

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>>31836536 just trying to give you a quality image anon still waiting on my replacement smart phone with 20 mega pixels so I won't have to deal with image scrutiny.

>>31833481
http://mememagicshop.com/product/the-deplorables-patch/

>>31836573
It's ok anon after all you can get curves to. If you work off those love handles. But seriously you didn't notice my load bearing rig? increases the perceived width by 2 inches since they hold ceramic plates still. Then the cargo pockets hold Stab/spike IIIA panels. Everything is modular and scaled down protection anon.

>>31836582
you will still have to deal with image scrutiny. you are annoying as fucking and a lot of us don't like you.

>>31836582

You don't need 20 nigger watts to take a good photo. It's obvious that you are obfuscating all of your images deliberately.

>>31836582
Put the timer on and set the phone down damn son

>>31835352
Dat bao feng

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>>31836631
I'll be a big guy 4u qt5.56 :3

>>31836695

Going outside would help the most. But he's never done that in his life before.

>>31836728
you mean fat?

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>>31836737
proof is required for that anon. & you don't have any. But you do prove yourself to be a liar.

>>31836728
also thanks anon for rotating that image how kind of you ;)

>>31836788
actually the plates are quite bulky I may mod my stuff down some more for increased speed. I mean it would take me 30 mins max to reconfigure shit.

>>31836886
i mean you faggot

>>31832576

Just so you know, the cost of training an individual infantryman is far higher than the cost of buying all of that equipment.

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>>31834654
>>31834455
>>31834334
>>31834282
>>31835262
>>31835275

Faggots, do this with the wrists. Know that elastic in coat tails? Use that to make the cuffs elastic. It holds on the elbows and you don't have to fold or do anything.

>>31836923
The elastic it came with was rather horrible, would rather have velcro closures

>>31836923
how about no. i want the elastic from the tails to make a waist bungee so the wind doesn't blow up in my jacket.

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If anyone remembers from last night, I'm the guy who was talking about buying an ALICE rig and was looking for holsters.

If you don't remember, I am (well, was until a few anons told me this one was shit) looking at pic related.

Basically, I don't especially care if it looks "correct" or whatever, but I would like some other options for ALICE compatible holsters, or holsters that would work with an ALICE rig.

And, I guess more input as to whether this thing is total shit or not. I know it won't be a fast to draw from, but is it dangerous or unreliable?

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>>31836923
i think our cuffs are difrent

>>31836427
You're built like a fat short bitch. Lift some weights man, jesus.

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>>31836957
like i told you yesterday. it is the correct holster for the alice gear. They will work fine and they will hold your pistol very securely. the hate for them comes from the memes that people who were issued them came up with calling them widow makers or suicide flaps because if you need to get to your pistol it will take you all day.

the thing is that they have a odd way of closing that requires you to pull down sharply on the flap to free it from the lock and then pull it up out of the way of the pistol. its a clumsy and inefficient design but it's still a holster and if you arent retarded you can pull your pistol quickly.

what pistol do you have that you are trying to find a holster for? i will help you with some suggestions. really anything with a large belt loop, molle, or alice clips, malice clips, ect will attach to a alice belt with a good deal of security.

>>31836960
he is saying that he did that by taking his spare elastic from the leg closures and sewing new cuffs

>>31837070
oh, well fuck that

>>31837055
Ah, well the fun part is I don't have a pistol yet. I'm going to head to the store tomorrow or sunday to buy one. I want a 9mm pistol, preferably for under $600. Right now I'm looking at a Glock 17 or 19, but I kinda want to go in and hold them first to make sure they're comfortable.

I'll have to see what else they have, and if they've got a lot for under $600 I might have to come back and do some research. I'm pretty new to the pistol world so I only have a few ideas of what I'm looking for.

>>31837193
honestly i would wait until you get a pistol and then get a kydex holster that you can mount malice clips too so that you can use them as belt loops for the alice gear and put it on molle in the future if you ever get something else.

>>31837325
That's fair enough I guess. Discussing guns isn't really the point of this thread either, I didn't mean to get into it.

>>31836960
Fabricated it myself because mine was first gen.

>>31836948
Just cut a little out of it and pull the elastic.

>>31833499
You did a poor job anon.

>>31837405
hmmm, well im just gunna pull it out and put velcro on it

>>31834423
Because one wants significant limits on government reach, influence, and authority...and the wants significant government power, extending to the restrictions of civilian owned arms, speech, press and access to civilian earned money.

>>31833746
you will look back on this day with profound embarrassment or you will die an idiot.

>also macfags getttttt out.

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>>31832909
>>31833339

Happen to know of any other simple ones like this, except with a full zip? Otherwise I'll probably get the XL Long from their site--I'm in between sizes, do they run larger than usual? I'm 6'2" 180lbs for reference. I'm looking to spend no more than $120, otherwise I'll just go with the ORC since it covers really all the basics. Are the ORC ones shiny still or nah? Pic looks way better than what i remember.

>>31835299

That tent is nice but that price though. I'll have to start shopping around soon.

>>31836087

Unless it's in a smaller than SBR package, then yeah. It'll depend on what ranges you're expecting your engagements at. If it's really short, then maybe a PCC would make sense with a really short <7" barrel. You wouldn't get the effectiveness of a rifle round from a barrel that short, sans maybe the .300blk. I don't really have much to add desu, it's already been stated. Personally I'd go for a PCC in <100m engagements simply because cheaper ammo and a little more compact.

>>31836798

What pack is that?

>>31831907
fatper8tor

Anyone know a good source for Ranger Green/olive drab grenade-sized pouches?

Not condor shit if possible; trying to avoid paying somethign stupid like $15 for a tiny pouch.

>>31834383
It's a meme you dip

>>31836886
post belly

>>31837821
buy grenade pouches and give them the rattle can treatment

>>31837968
How permanent is that? I can't imagine the paint staying on after using the gear.

>implying anyone on /gq/ uses their gear

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>>31838012
stays on alright, but it wears off over time.

>>31838012
Functional for actual use, but it looks sloppy and flaky which ruins any kind of Gucci aesthetic. It never comes out the exact color you are expecting it to.

I spray painted UCP and black pouches to be more tan/brown/light green for deployment. Also spraying stripes of brown and tan across solid color gear like assault packs to give it camo. Super ugly, but functional.

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>>31838048
>but it looks sloppy and flaky which ruins any kind of Gucci aesthetic
spray painted nylon is sex and you know it. quit lying.

Is TAG (Tactical Assault Gear) a good brand?

>>31832408
I find it funny that people decide to bitch about this now barely opposed to the multiple times you've posted your bucket and snippets of your kit before.

>>31837910
Well then fuck me. Guess I need to spend some more time on /k/

>>31833746
>That fan

I have one of those fans, those are good fans.

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>>31838376
in the land of the blinded and stitched mouths. the one eyed speaker is king. But even he must serve a greater master as much as you do.

>>31838751
Very poetic, you're still airsoft tier

>>31838751
Post belly.

>>31832699
UCP?

>>31839244
i'm glad you found someone else to pick on.

>>31839244
Dubs demands

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>>31836582
I like you dude. Please just take better pictures.


Trying to figure out mag configuration for my heavy battle belt. The idea is that it is capable as line one gear, kinda like a light chest rig. I've already got suspenders for it.

3x3 rifle/pistol mag pouch for 3x rifle mags and 3x pistol mags, 3 rifle mags wide?
or
2x2 rifle/pistol mag pouch plus a 1x1 rifle mag pouch for 4x rifle mags, 2x pistol mags, and 3 rifle mags wide.

>>31832909
man why is that lid mil/le only
fucking safariland man

also your rear plate looks like it's hanging low. The top edge of the plate should be about 1.5" below your vertebral eminence (that's the most protruding bony lump at the back of your neck).

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>>31833746
11/10 would ethnically cleanse with

>>31832408

You have pussy hands and birthing hips.

>>31838136
Anyone know if TAG branded gear is good?

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>>31832408
>gear queer thread
>you post your gear
>"DUDE AIRSOFT XDDD LMAOO KILL URSELF"
>anyone else posts their gear
>"haha nice dude lol"
>"dude w2c"
>"poorfag lmao"

>>31833268
I'm digging the radio

>>31834334
What was that purpose exactly? And how'd it become obsolete?

>>31840917
They were made to counter night vision or something. Advancements in technology made the pattern obsolete for its intended purpose.

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There is someone right now in this thread that would unironically approach a real SAS/DEVGRU operator and start lecturing them about why they should use TOB and chastise their shooting stance.

I just know it.

>>31840974
quality post

>>31835352
>Weird Canadians
So, like, Canadians then?

>>31833076
When u realize any gunfight you will ever statistically will be in (if you are ever in one) will be within 400m...
Home invasion, carjacking etc..
Name me one REAL scenario where you will need to shoot past 400m in a gunfight

I remember when I used to play paintball and kids would show up with gear their dad bought them, thousands of dollars worth of the latest pants, pads, guns; all the paint they wanted to shoot in the world....
And they'd just get dominated by people with just 100 dollar shit markers but lots of experience. Pretty much what >>31832576 said.

>>31832420 shit makes me cringe. Nice fucking trigger discipline.

>>31836910 Do you seriously think that guy is a 'trained infantryman'?
The dude has never used that gear a day in his life.

>>31836582
>defending your fine hips this hard
It's okay to be sexy trip.

>>31838751
Now it's all making sense.

>>31841061
.... nigger are you serious? Not even him but you realize he probably has more than one firearm for home defense, and that depending on woodland(or whatever environment) density; a firefight can happen anywhere from 0m to 800m right?
Also pretty sure that optic is just a 1-6x.

>start taking fire
>oh shit so glad I didn't waste my time being able to easily identify and safely end a threat at 400m
You^

>>31841082
800 = .5 mile.
Yeah chill out there Chris Kyle. Thanks for the laugh senpai.

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I feel so epic wearing this! I´m like a real soldier!

>>31841111
Nice quads nigger

>>31841111
looks like he's had too many tendies

>>31831907
going prone with a fat chest rig sucks dicks

>>31841111
>3 Xbox boxes in the background
I have seen many NEETs in my day but this may be emperor NEET

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>>31835352
>im the only person who buys tasmanian tiger here
i got a few TT pouches and another german bro here got a their pc as well.

>>31841200
Last night, I dreamt that Trump won the election, and there was much relief.

>>31841061

I think he's mil or LEO or something.

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>>31841111
looks good to me

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>>31832408
>>31832420

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>>31832408
What a small man

>>31835352
>yurokeks use them

Confirmed for airshit gear because nobody in yurp has guns.

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Does /gq/ carry snacks in their pouches? pic related is pretty good.

>>31840974
Don't worry, there's also a few autists who would start lecturing them about why they shouldn't use TOB or isocscekes and should shoot weaver.

>>31841106
Are you kidding me? Reread the post.
Are you taking accurate fire from 800m? Probably not but it's not unheard of.
Are you taking accurate fire from 400m?
You bet your ass.

Good luck hitting a long range target when you've never practiced.
And some people do this for fun and the challenge by the way.

>>31841061
>Name me one REAL scenario
Not really a """scenario""" but I think we have a genuine need for martial culture. All men should learn basic soldiering skills. Things like boy scouts, hunting and marksmanship training, martial arts, and an organized militia. I know it's not how it is anymore depending on where you live, but at least we can encourage that mentality.

>>31841433
I do not understand how people dont think they can be shot at from 300+meters... That's pretty short range.

>>31841111
Still better than AutismusMaximus.

>>31841433

yeah we should force people to do things they don't want to do.

>>31841498
Not that anon but my parents forced me to bowl, play baseball, soccer and attend church every sunday.
What are you trying to say.

>>31836190

I've put a lot of thought into sub guns and pistols. It's really a question of budget and operating environment. 9mm is on average at least 7 cents cheaper than 223. 9mm out of 16 inch barrels can still hit stuff accurately out to 100 yards. 9mm is also more easily suppressed and is easier for secondary team members to handle (if they happen to be female or minors). so it has it's uses. as a civilian if you are worrying about engaging targets at 200-400m you already fucked up and getting out of dodge is much wiser. that said, and having all these options available to me, I settled on an inexpensive ar pistol with 7.5 in barrel for my truck gun. if shtf that would be swapped out for side folder ak probably in 5.45. 16 in barrels and 223 is suitable for most intermediate range tasks you may have, anything longer or heavier will require a different round. for just self defense purposes 9mm is fine.

>>31838136

yes I have a bunch of their stuff over the years. it's a shame it's gucci priced or I would have more. also san francisco faggots.

>>31841503

ok but all of those things are normal parts of life, im not gonna argue whether or not parents should force their kids to do sports but its much different from the government forcing everyone to learn how to be soldiers growing up. war and combat don't have a place in everyday life for most people, and they don't have to be because we have a very strong military already.

>>31841498
>LEAVE ME ALONE MOM! GOD!!!

>>31841529
Nice opinion.

>>31833746
authentic totenkopf cap?

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rate

>>31841529
what the fuck does learning to shoot, hunt, and survive in the wilderness have to do with the government training soldiers.
Are you tinfoil?

>>31841554
>what the fuck does learning to shoot, hunt, and survive in the wilderness

what does learning how to shoot, hunt and survive in the wilderness have to do with normal everyday life for americans? i have never once needed to do any of those things.

im totally fine with things like the boy scouts existing but making them mandatory is totally pointless.

>>31841548
>things i'd succ for

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>>31834535
can't say I like the camo, but I do like your set up.

MAGA

>>31841566
..... so you're fine with learning to shoot hunt and survive in the wilderness, but not shoot hunt and survive in the wilderness.
What exactly do you think the boyscouts do?... knit?

No one even argued for it to be mandatory.

Are you talking about >>31841433 ? Who expressed his opinion that most people cant take care of themselves and would riot their cities to death in days without the internet and plumbing? Boy do I have news for you.

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>>31836582
more megapickles don't mean better image quality
20pickles in low light doesn't matter if the sensor is shit

learn to better lighting and you'll do better
This is a shitty picture at dusk but I took it with a timer and set the camera down and it's significantly better than your pictures

>>31841566
You're injecting your anti-government angst into a discussion that never mentioned the government even once. Re-read >>31841433 and try again.

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>>31841571
Camo is camo. One pattern I've been very impressed with is aplenflage.

>>31841640
Also, and for the same reason, I find Belgian Jigsaw surprisingly effective.

>>31841509
Sounds like you've got the right mind set. Weird to think though, eh? 147gr 9x19 is heavier than 5.56 Nato... probably even heavier than 77gr 5.56. Seems strange. It's like when I weighed a 230gr Ball .45 ACP and then a handloaded 150gr M2 Ball .30-06, only to find that they weren't all that far apart in weight. I thought there was something wrong with my scale, thought that my mind just wasn't processing the numbers correctly, my brain just couldn't seem to accept the idea that a PISTOL cartridge could be the same weight as a RIFLE cartridge, and even the thought of a small PISTOL cartridge being heavier than an INTERMEDIATE cartridge is taking me for a spin. Makes it clear though, in my opinion, why SMGs have largely been abandoned.

>>31841765
Out of curiosity, do you know the difference between 200 rounds of x39 versus 200 rounds of 5.56?

>>31841765

you might hate me after this but if I could do it over again (heh) I would be happy with a glock sbr (see the most recent gabe suarez setup on this topic). this zert video also shows how rolling with a full size rifle in a vehicle is problematic and another example where side folding ak's shine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_I140gjI0

>>31841810
Well x39 is about 30 rounds per pound and 5.56 is somewhere between 35-38 rounds per pound generally depending on bullet (let's assume 38 rounds per pound though that's probably for 55gr M193). So simple math... 30x7 is 210 (close enough)

About 7lb for x39 (123gr M43) and about 5.5lb for 5.56 (probably 55gr M193). It's not an exact science, and depends heavily on bullet weight. If you've got the ammo there and have it weighed to see if I'm accurate or not, then please do so, and see how I do. I'm using the numbers that I remember from the notepads I had. Much of it was copy/pasted from either a post on /k/ or a post on a forum which I found to be very accurate. Then I did a lot more alterations to figure out how much 100 rounds weigh, how much actual mags weigh (STANAG mag of M855, plastic mag of M43 7.62x39, Chinese 75-rnd drum, Hungarian (or Bulgarian or whatever that other nation was) 75-rnd drum (which was slightly lighter), 40-rnd x39 mag, etc. I no longer have access to that notepad, sadly, that I had oh so much wonderful info on. A fair bit of it was memorized, albeit 'roughly' so. M43 was either 29 or 31 rounds per pound, but I can't remember which, so I just go with 30. Easier to remember.

>>31841831
A Glock SBR sounds pretty sweet, though I have a lot going on right now so I'm afraid I'm gonna have to pass on that vid. I hope you don't mean going with an SBR Glock as your primary though. That doesn't sound too wise to me. I mean, it'd be a fantastic back-up, especially if the stock can be removed/replaced with ease, but personally I think your primary should be something with a bit more weight to help with recoil. Then again, I never handled a pistol SBR before, so it's your call. While it sounds MUCH better than just a pistol, for a primary, it feels to me (in my head) to be possibly TOO light, and just not very comfortable to use. The C96 SBR on the other hand (no, I'm not suggesting you track one down) has more weight to it.

>>31842189
Wait. Fuck. But Glock SBR, do you mean that contraption that you can put a Glock INTO rather than merely putting a stock on the back of a Glock's handle? If that's the case, then derp, go for it.

>>31839725
bump for question

>>31842189
>>31842197

I'm an awe of this setup. Seems very worth sending the ATF money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXo540lIME

>>31832049
>>31832289

Cool mashup

>>31836728
I like your gear but personality wise you are a massive faggot

That being said I would still peel those pants off those thick hips and penetrate your tender anus

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Working on a hot weather/light loadout. What I have so far.