>Russia is in many ways a weak country. Its leadership ha

>west starts civil wars in neighboring countries
>puts sanctions on them
>puts bases & anti-icbm missiles in neighboring countries

You don't say

>>31831396
>oy vey how dare dey put defensive systems in countries that we threaten to nuke!
>dis is like anudda shoah!

>>31831401
>sign treaties to not do things
>then do them
>run 24/7 propaganda campaigns against russia
>shoot down passenger planes and bomb humanitarian convoys just to blame russia

>>31831336
Thanks CTR shill, this the new Hillary Campaign Strategy now??

Declare a War with Russia with any means possible?

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>>31831404
>sign treaties to not do things

Which treaty do you think was signed for this?

>>31831396

>US brings the war to half of the world
>Destabilises the Middle-East
>Arms insurgents
>Has military bases all around Russia
Nobody bats an eye.
>Russia fights insurgents in it's backyard
>Arms separatists
>Fights terrorists in Syria, as requested by the legitimate president of Syria.
Sanction time for you!

>>31831404
NATO has broken no agreements.
Russia signed a treaty to protect Ukraine.
Russia is the breaker of deals here.

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>>31831424
>Russia threatens all former pact countries throughout the 90s and 2000s, directly interfering with politics or taking it over like in Belarus
>Those countries then petition to join NATO
>NATO allows them to join
>OMG AMERIKKKA SO EVIL HOW DARE THEY?

>>31831424
>Has military bases all around Russia
Had not russia been a plague upon the world and a serious threat to its smaller neighbors this would not have happened.
Poland and the Baltics have every reason to mistrust russia as you have proven yourself full of lies and deceit on every occasion before.

>>31831404
This is some extreme denial.

>>31831336
You may want to refrain from posting pointless political statements along with a link to some internet news article in your OP. It makes you look like a retard/shill/drone. Besides that, also pick a topic that actually mentions weapons in some way, because that topic is lacking in it. This makes your thread rather inclined towards being deleted.

>>31831470
>Besides that, also pick a topic that actually mentions weapons in some way, because that topic is lacking in it. This makes your thread rather inclined towards being deleted.

If that were true all the duerte threads would be deleted

>>31831470
This board has pretty much always been /k/ - Weapons and Armchair Geopolitics.

>>31831401
>not understanding nuclear politics
ABM are an offensive device, ICBM are defensive
Putting ABMs in neighbouring countries is like parking your panzergruppens at the border

>>31831414

Better than the new "MAGA" strategy of licking Putin's boots.

RIDF get out.

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>>31831414
Ok, I will post it again.

>>31831620
>Mexico
Heh.

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>>31831620
>expecting people relying on MSM shilling to know who's the better candidate
It's almost like the lügenpresse isn't trustworthy or something. Like people outside of the US in general don't care enough to actually dig into the subject and realise the blatant lies and bias in the American media.

>>31831414
Russia really fucked up by selecting the alt-right as their go-to choice of traitors and moles in Europe and America.
Back in the day they recruited from leftist intellectuals in universities, those being in positions of power within major political parties could do all kinds of harm and get hold of sensitive data.
Now russia have to pick from window licking retards who never leave their basements and only are good for posting on /pol/ and shilling with pro-russian shitposting on /k/.

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>>31831645
Man, you people are like caricatures of how Europeans view Americans. It'd be funny if the US wasn't the greatest power on Earth.

#draftourdaughters
#deathtoputin
#imwithher

>>31831620
all the scum of the world support Hillary
rus-bros support Trump

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>Have plenty of Democucks at college
>While waiting for my next class in the lounge I of course get dragged into a political discussion
>One of course brings up the spicy meme of "Trump will, like, LITERALLY start WWIII with Russia"
>A couple of them agree, others just roll their eyes
>Annoyed, I just mention how thats silly considering Trump has been the only candidate that has expressed a desire to repair relations with Russia, and Hillary on multiple occasions has cursed and accused Russia of different crimes.
>Only response I get "WOW we got another Trump supporter here!" followed by chuckling

I don't even like Trump that much

>>31831588
0/10

>>31831693
They're not even scum, they're just people being force-fed the US media's bullshit without any of the in-depth knowledge many Americans have.

>>31831693
They support Trimp because they have Vladimir Zhirinovsky as candidate on every president elections. Same type of clown. Russians are like "It would be fun to see guy lie him in charge, but not here".

>>31831620
So I should vote for Trump then? This chart isn't convincing me to vote for hillary

>>31831712
No, they want Trump in charge because he's publicly stated he wants to improve relations with Russia and start cooperation.

>>31831735
>Implying that Russians are ever believe to campaign promises

>>31831739
They believe in fucking Putin.

>>31831404
Holy shit vatnik

As living in Estonia and us being occupied by Russia for over 60 years, there is good reason to be a afraid.

Russian agression in Ukraine shows us that its they who show no regard in any teaties.

This thread got deleted yesterday. Guess the mods are asleep or busy pleasuring Hiroyuki.

>>31831740
Putin never did any campaign promises in last elections, IIRC. He certainly did not published any official election program.

>>31831336

>The US spends more on its military than the next 15 countries combined
>Russia still has more nukes than the US and China combined

Why do they focus so much on their nuclear forces? Most other countries with Russias budget has much fewer nukes.

>>31831739
A promise of better things and times is still vastly preferable to the same old continued Cold War conflict where US/NATO keeps enroaching onto Russia's interests whilst the now weak and pitiful Russia can just scramble to protect what it has. The average vodkanigger doesn't want anything to do with the US/Russia conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avBAT6Op0lU

>>31831748

Wrong. The us has the most.

>>31831747
No, Putin has gone out today to say Trump represents the voice of the people.

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>>31831748
Because they can't compete with NATO in other ways, so they protect their interests with nuclear capabilities. They might not be able to win a war against the West, but if the need arises, they can drown both in hellfire.

>>31831742
>Russian agression in Ukraine shows us that its they who show no regard in any teaties.
What treaties are those? Honest question, from what I've gleaned it was simply about retaining the Black Sea naval facilities and capabilities in Crimea and the rest of the Donbass stuff is simply supporting the existing populations' wishes.
Hell, the US had a treaty to protect Ukraine against Russian aggression and see what happened. Small countries cannot trust the great powers to defend them.

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>>31831748
>Why do they focus so much on their nuclear forces?
It is the only guarantee of national sovereignty today. Kim watches on Saddam, Gaddafi and Assad and laughs. Also, nukes are ultimate equalizer against
>US spends more on its military than the next 15 countries combined
As wise man spoke
"God created poor countries and rich countries. Academic Kurchatov equated their chances"

>>31831695
It's kind of the opposite problem, Trump is too buddy-buddy with Putin and would basically be manipulated easily by that former KGB psycho.

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>>31831757
Sauce?

SIPRI and the Federation of American Scientists disagree with you.

>>31831757
Strategic weapon - maybe. Tactical - Russia is far ahead of anybody.

>>31831785
Manipulate to do what?

Not starting WW3?

>>31831785
>would basically be manipulated easily by that former KGB psycho.
>The POTUS with all his advisors, helpers and responsibilities would be manipulated by a single man
Are you implying Putin's a psyker or some shit?

>>31831796

>implying the USA rolling over and taking it up the ass from the fucking Russians is better.

When did you burgers become such pussies?

>>31831747
>Putin never did any campaign promises in last elections, IIRC. He certainly did not published any official election program.
Why bother? He already knew he would win. And he will again in 2018, and then in 2024 have a seat warmer like Medvedev hold his chair for him again.

>>31831750
>>31831770
>Buttering up an egotist who is easily manipulated and sweet talked/provoked as needed

Putin knows he would be able to do whatever the fuck he wants with Trump in charge.

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>>31831815
I'm not sure if you're baiting or just plain old stupid.

>>31831806
The reason why everyone hates Russia so much is exactly for that reason, they don't let anyone fuck them up the ass.

America is getting cucked to hell and back by other countries because they are trying too hard to be the parent of the rest of the world and spoon feeding every country that says "gib moni pls". By repairing relations with Russia, it's implied that we will also return to a time in history where America didn't go out of it's way to baby every country that asked for help.

>>31831823
You're pretty stupid if you think Trump is actually intelligent about geopolitics or that he's not just some 70 year old born rich asshole from Queens with big opinions but no actual idea of how to execute them.

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>>31831835
And you're fucking retarded if you think the POTUS does not have a large team of expert advisers of every possible field at his help.

>>31831840
>Implying Trump would have advisors that were anything but Yes Men

>>31831848
>implying you don't suck a dozen dicks first thing in the morning and walk around with a sausage up your ass

>>31831848
Even his Vice President openly disagrees with him on several issues. Are you retarded?

>>31831796
Trump would be conned into abandoning Eastern Europe. Putin would then laugh as he set his hordes of subhuman savages loose on Poland and the baltics.
Hillary might be crooked, corrupt, lying and a bitch in general but she would be the better choice as far as Europr is concerned.

>>31831863
Because the guy the Party basically appointed who will have no real power will have any actual sway, right?

>>31831747
didn't he have a list of numbered objectives on economy and cost of life at one point for his pary platform, and never delivered on any of them ?

>>31831900
And advisers don't really have any power either.

The point
Your head

>>31831912
Typically his advisors are the Cabinet members, who do have power.

Learn2freshmancivics

>>31831933
Not really considering they can be replaced at any time for any reason.

Are you sure you understand civics? Also nice try moving those goal posts, you could just admit you were wrong.

>>31831396
>>31831404
>>31831424
>vatniks act like cunts
>grasp at straws to find any excuse and blame everyone else for it

>>31831996
That's the thing. The PRESIDENT appoints and "asks for resignation" (though Trump probably couldn't resist breaking that tradition with "YOU'RE FIRED!"). And Trump is a classical egomaniac who won't let people tell him anything he doesn't want to hear.

>>31832069
>And Trump is a classical egomaniac who won't let people tell him anything he doesn't want to hear.

>>31831863

You can stop being wrong at any time.

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>>31831404
>shoot down passenger planes and bomb humanitarian convoys just to blame russia

FALSEFLAG

>>31831588
>in Soviet Russia, defense is offense!

>>31831785
And they Have HRC's emails. You think she won't bend over backwards for them to avoid the firestorm?

>>31832082
>derp derp derp
The one guy he can't just force to quit that I almost guarantee the GOP forced on him, stop being a moron because you only vote along party lines.

Hillary isn't great, but far better than the alternative.

>>31832151
She hasn't changed stance over the Kompromat ops yet, they have nothing on her.

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>>31831909
It was party United Russia and it was very-very long time ago. Putin itself promised to double GPD for 10 year, in fact it took 15.
>>31831896
>Putin would then laugh as he set his hordes of subhuman savages loose on Poland and the baltics.
What for? Just try to be outside all that BS about evil Putin and try to think realistically. Crimea itself tooks billions and billion for integration into Russian economy. Only profit for it - 3 millions of ethnic Russians and secured Black sea fleet. That's all. Balts and Poles just do not have anything valuable. They are recipients of EU economic help, their industry is outdated shit, they has nothing except debts and crazy neo-nazis. True, that they have some Russian population, but it is too small. Just territory to be used as buffer against NATO? Too fucking expensive buffer.

>>31832064
The Russian disinformation campaign has one simple formula.

If Russia is accuse of being unethical in some manner.
1) You deny that it is doing what is accused of.
2) You find a a scenario in history where the West did the same.
3) Justify it in the name of national interest.
4) You still deny that it is doing it.
5) Accuse the West of doing it now.

Rinse repeat. Their propaganda machine is the most powerful in the world. China doesn't even begin to compare. China has not found a way to translate the propaganda that works for their own nation, to an international markets. Russia on the other hand have perfected the method.

>>31832151

>Implying they aren't already leaking every bit of "damning evidence" they have in an effort to prop up Trump's sinking ship.

>>31832160
>Russia is fighting ISIS meme

Rothschild shills everywhere. Putin is based and Russia is the last bastion of hope against total control by The Jew.

>>31831650
Are you somehow implying that russia is not currently funding and supporting alt-right movements across the world?

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>>31832192

>>31832192
Russia is and have always been the eternal enemy.
Any effort to hinder russia is always of benefit to the free world.

>>31832152
I'm not voting for either. I don't even particularly like Trump that much.

You're just trying so hard to paint an image of Trump that has runs completely contrary to the real world. You move goalposts, make baseless assumptions, and outright ignore points so you can push your own agenda. If you're going to shill that hard for a literal criminal, you could at least be a little more subtle.

>>31832160
>>31832181

That's my favorite part. It's kind of in line with Assad using "terrorist" as a blanket term for any opposition group. Russia said it was going in to defeat IS, and promptly began bombing areas not under the control of ISIS. Then they were called out on it, and tossed a few bombs in Islamic State's way just to show that they did, all the while focusing their efforts on other rebels.

Then they entered negotiations for a ceasefire with rebels and a joint cooperation in tackling ISIS, only to use that ceasefire as an opportunity to launch an offensive on Aleppo.

Granted, I'm not a fan of the rebels. I think they've been growing increasingly radicalized as the war has dragged on, but saying they're the same thing as IS is fucking stupid.

>>31832221
>You're just trying so hard to paint an image of Trump that has runs completely contrary to the real world.
You mean the picture built on the public image he created himself over the decades, and has reinforced in every debate and media appearance?

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>>31832163
>Their propaganda machine is the most powerful in the world.

Probably because we live in a world where John Kerry can say things in public like "You just don’t invade another country on phony pretext in order to assert your interests" without a shred of irony.

The idea that Russia is evil because it does something and another country that does the same thing isn't is idiotic. Just shouting "Arguing from hypocrisy!" is pure disingenuity.

>>31832181
>>31832229
>Assad
It's time for some explanation from fucking 2013.
>From Russian leadership's point of view, the Iraq War now looks like the beginning of the accelerated destruction of regional and global stability, undermining the last principles of sustainable world order. Everything that's happened since — including flirting with Islamists during the Arab Spring, U.S. policies in Libya and its current policies in Syria — serve as evidence of strategic insanity that has taken over the last remaining superpower.
>Russia’s persistence on the Syrian issue is the product of this perception. The issue is not sympathy for Syria's dictator, nor commercial interests, nor naval bases in Tartus. Moscow is certain that if continued crushing of secular authoritarian regimes is allowed because America and the West support “democracy,” it will lead to such destabilization that will overwhelm all, including Russia. It's therefore necessary for Russia to resist, especially as the West and the United States themselves experience increasing doubts.
And 2008
>It's instructive to view ourselves through a Russian mirror. The term "paranoid Russian" is a pleonasm. "The fact is that all Russian politicians are clever. The stupid ones are all dead. By contrast, America in its complacency promotes dullards. A deadly miscommunication arises from this asymmetry. The Russians cannot believe that the Americans are as stupid as they look, and conclude that Washington wants to destroy them,"
No one listened.

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>>31832198
You're on an "Alt-right" website, dumbass.

>>31832163
True.

I'm always amazed at how effective the Russian propaganda machine is.

I think one of the smartest move is using the fact that other countries actually have decent governments that try to do the right thing against them. The US, and most western countries for that matter, are self critical. Just as an example, when the US accidentally bomb civilians, they admit it, open an investigation and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. When Russia accidentally bombs civilians, it just denies it, and claims it's just "false accusations". This means that in the heads of the average vatnik and slavaboo, the US bombs civilians and tries to blame innocent Russia of doing such a thing too.

>>31832269
No, we aren't. You fuckholes have a containment board for a reason.

>>31832284
If you aren't a cuck who embraces white genocide, then by definition you are "alt-right"

>>31832279
Like how the Russians have racked up massive civilian casualties in Syria, but act as if the one mis-shot that hit a hospital by the US was the crime of the century.

>>31832220

(((You)))

>>31832255

The difference is Americans, as dumb as they are, generally regard the decision to invade Iraq as a mistake. Whereas you will simply point to our mistake in Iraq as a deflection of any criticism of Russia's behavior.

>>31832163

>>31832291
Yeah, no, you're a fucking retard.

>>31832299
>generally regard the decision to invade Iraq as a mistake.

And yet Libya happened.

And yet Hillary and the current administration are pushing for the same thing in Syria.

>>31831772
>Small countries cannot trust the great powers to defend them.

This. This has always been one true constant fact throughout history. At least unless the two allied countries share the same border, are friendly have consonant territorial projections, it's very unlikely otherwise a great power would just step in from the goodness of their hearts and risk involving themselves in a volatile situation (which has, again, historically been mostly proven to be a bad move).

>>31832279
>other countries actually have decent governments that try to do the right thing
lol
and you talk about propaganda while spewing this garbage?

>>31832305
Not an argument.

>>31832291

You can't tell me I'm in in line with your ideology because I don't embrace "white genocide." Although a term like that really needs some elaboration.

But in your mindset, the fact that I disagree with you is probably enough evidence to convince you that I do in fact embrace "white genocide" and am lying to myself.

>>31832229
The Assad regime campaign was always focus on none ISIS elements that might get international sympathy and be thought of as a possible legitimate political forces. Let the international world in conjunction with their local representatives take care of ISIS, which the y have not other choice but to do. There was a moderate rebel force in Syria, that was not Kurdish, they where the first to be wiped out.

ISIS will be the prime focus for the international world, because it has to be. Saves him having to spend resources on them, and instead destroy the only credible long term threat for his regime.

He regime is not stupid, they don't advertise brutality. None the less, the war was started by his regime through brutality, against what was then a political none militant campaign.

>>31831789
More nukes=bigger dicks

>>31831854
lol you just won m8 xdddddd

>>31832331
White genocide is the systemic disappearance of white people, as evidenced when white countries are forced to take in all kind of shitskins, and whites breed less than ever, and both the government and corporations favor it.

>>31832317

The difference between Iraq and Libya, and the Arab spring in general, is that the Arab spring was in fact launch by Arabs. It was regarded as something they wanted, the people of those governments rebelled. And those governments committed atrocities to try to quell those rebellions. On the other hand, the Iraqies did not invite us to invade them and there was no open rebellion that we were moving in to support. Only a lot of suppressed sectarian tension.

You can say that both Iraq and Libya are similarly fuck ups in the end game, but the justification for action is not the same.

>>31832333
>There was a moderate rebel force in Syria

Ah yes, the moderates. Those were the ones who cut off people's heads and filmed themselves eating the executed corpses' liver.

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>>31832370
It's the same.

It's to assassinate secular dicators in the Middle east who are friend with Russia.

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>>31832370
>but the justification for action is not the same.

You're implying the West got involved in the Arab spring, not to further their own self interests like Iraq, but TO HELP THE POOR ARABS.

Christ.

>>31832327
Claiming all of 4chan is alt-right is a fucking retarded statement and you know it.

>>31832401
Just the sort of retarded statement that the alt-right is prone to making.

>>31832333
>ISIS will be the prime focus for the international world, because it has to be. Saves him having to spend resources on them, and instead destroy the only credible long term threat for his regime.
>He regime is not stupid, they don't advertise brutality. None the less, the war was started by his regime through brutality, against what was then a political none militant campaign.

I agree that it is smart on their part to focus their efforts on quelling other opposition forces while the US led coalition was bombing IS. Why attack IS when other people are doing it for you? I don't necessarily think Assad is dumb.

But there has been a lot of reckless brutality, barrel bombs and chemical weapons and whatnot, that I would say is largely responsible for the instability in the region. That makes the people sympathize with the rebels, because they fear for their life.

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>>31831401
cyka blyat, it's anudda great patriotic war!

>>31832317
>Libya
http://www.un.org/press/en/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

I want you to play close attention to the URL itself.

>>31832401
It's the message the media makes.

They don't care what you think.

The alt-right is a bullshit name anyway, we are fucking nazis.

>>31832440
>we
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

>>31832400

ITT:
>if the west takes action in the middle east citing humanitarian concerns, it's a guise and they're just acting on their own self interest

>but if Russia takes action in the middle east, there's no way it's to serve their own interest. It's only in the name of global stability!
>>31832260

>>31832426

>UN support of action in Libya
>China and Russia abstain

meanwhile

>No UN backing of US invasion of Iraq

Clearly the same thing.

>>31832426
How is that a response to what I said?

You really think countries like the US don't use the UN when it serves their interests and completely ignore it when it doesn't?

>>31832440
>we are fucking nazis

>call yourself a nazi
>get angry when people discredit your political views by calling you a nazi or compare Trump to hitler

>>31832450
Fuck you too, I'm speaking for the nazis, not you cuck.

>>31832451
In all seriousness, what's the last time Russia messes up the ME?

>>31832451
>>but if Russia takes action in the middle east, there's no way it's to serve their own interest. It's only in the name of global stability!

Of course it serving it's own interests. Where did I say it wasn't? You ACTUALLY said the US got involved in Libya and the Arab spring to support the Arabs.

>>31832400
> their own self interests

You seem to think that this enablement of jihadists & terrorists is somehow in the self-interest of the US

When in reality it's only in the financial & political interests of the establishment elites, with an ignorant populace allowing it to carry on.

The Dems want to turn the whole US into a voting plantation of ignorant shitskins, they have almost succeeded, if Hillary wins they will.

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>>31832516

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>>31832497

>>31832451
>It's only in the name of global stability!
ME is closer to Russia than to US and Muslim population in Russia is (maybe) bigger than in US or any European country. stability in ME is their own stability.

>>31832536
I don't want to defend the Soviet, but it was the damn afghani govt who requested them there, and it was the damn US who funded the kebab.

Holy fuck are you niggers retarded. Do you honestly want a war with Russia? Real life is not Call of Duty, you underage twats you need to be at least 18 years old to see 4chan. I'm sure none of you have ever seen a world war before and much less a nuclear war. You have no idea of what the consequences of this will be. You will know suffering with no end. You'll live on hell on earth you retards. We all die a slow painful and helpless death in a war against Russia. You faggots better vote for fucking Trump unless you are really fucked up in the head in which case you will deserve everything that you will get from pushing this. God bless Texas.

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>>31832499
>cuck
>The lazy response of the modern dickhead

>>31832516
Afghanistan.

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>>31832549
Just the amount of landmines they dropped there alone is sufficient grounds for 'fucking up the ME'.

>>31832324
>being such a blatant retard

The lards try to do the right thing. It doesn't mean they actually do it, often the opposite, but they try. That's why they have a problem with using cluster bombs against civilians, yet they won't hesitate to go to war if they think it's justified.

>>31832552
True? Not really. US has first strike capability to eliminate up to 80-90% of Russian nuclear arsenal. Add anti-missile defence and you will have pretty realistic chances to destroy Russia with loss of few millions of civil population. Question is what number is acceptable damage by Pentagon standard. Welp, Russia is still standing, so not much.

>>31832552

>RIDF pls go

Russia would get fucking steamrolled by the Americans. They're a shell of their former selves.

>>31832417
For Assad and his military staff, their mission is not to be as brutal as possible, but to be as effective as possible. Brutality is a consequence of efficacy. I would never accuse them of stupidity, just murderous tyranny.


Different tangent, the US although not for the sake of conquest, invaded Iraq without international backing to displace a leadership that was not aligned with them. The leaders responsible for this where shunned, and the parties which they were part of were voted out of office as a consequence. The leader we sought to remove was Sadam Hussaine, the hit man for hire turn Prime Minister, flanked by his two lovely sons.

>>31832600
US doesn't actually have working anti-missile defense, and the US is not gonna be first striking anything

Whats goint to happen is obongo/hillary is going to attempt a no-fly zone in syria, shoot down some Russian planes, Russia will nuke US military bases, and there we go

>>31832558
It gets cuck mad every times so it serves the purpose.

>>31832600
>Welp, Russia is still standing, so not much.
Or perhaps that's a sign that the first part of your post is a steamy pile of bullshit.

>>31832552
>Holy fuck are you niggers retarded. Do you honestly want a war with Russia?

No and the people who say we do are Russians.

>>31832613

>fucking retards on this board calling CTR for every post
>not recognizing RT shitposting interns on their lunch break.

Zero effort m8

I see the Troll Factory is back up and running. Still, getting firebombed must be pretty scary. Hope you guys are alright <3

>>31832601
>Russia would get fucking steamrolled by the Americans. They're a shell of their former selves.

Might be Russia's recent military adventures and sabre rattling are just ways to distract their population from their economic woes.

>>31832552
>Real life is not Call of Duty
That's true, Call of Duty has Russia being a hell of a lot more powerful than it actually is.

>>31832608
the problem is more that they have a shit drafted arab army
So brutality is just natural to them.

>>31832627
>not recognizing RT shitposting interns on their lunch break

Ah, but what about CtR and their nerd virgins!?

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>lets nuke russia and kill millions of americans
>lol CTR ))))))
How has this place fallen

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>>31832651
You forgot to green arrow the "repeat it x1000" part.

>>31832625
Count the numbers. Russian boomers has around 40% readiness and it is quite possible to track them all down. US has quality and numbers for that. Russian strategic aviation is relatively small. Most part of it can be killed in first strike and rest can be tracked and shoot down with only few strategic missiles passing though Raptors and NAVY. Silos are well known and not defence by working AM defence. They can be killed by submarine launched ballistic missiles. Depressed trajectory left almost no time for launching. In that scenario most problematic is tracking and killing mobile ground launchers, which is, again, can be done if you put some efforts and preparations. Also, Russian population and industry is much more concentrated than US and theoretical nuke will deal more damage to Russia than to US.

>>31832151
I thought Wikileaks already released all of them?

Or maybe, just maybe, the 'damning evidence' simply does not exist?

Perhaps - this is a wild theory, but just perhaps - the fact that early voting has started and no campaign-ending bombshells have come out is evidence for the fact that the Trump campaign have blown their load to little effect, and the campaign is now starting to buckle?

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>>31832536
>>31832568
>Afghanistan
>Middle East
American education. Besides, it were Americans who messed it up as Russians were trying to fix it.

>>31832692
It was Afghanistan government who messed up, then asked Soviet to help, Soviet refused, then they asked for help 12 more times and messed up even more. After that Soviet came, removed Afghanistan government, put another, then Americans came. And messed up.

>>31832690
Noone has seen the 33,000 emails she deleted before turning them over

>>31832690
Oh boy, Trump's campaign is about to buckle, when the same lying polls show him rising again.

Really makes me think.

>>31832692
>Russians were trying to fix it.
>Spreading explosively trapped childrens' toys around the country

>>31832719
Correct, including yourself, and the crowd you associate with.

>>31832783
So the more reason for them to be seen then.

>>31832719
Except that according to the COLO admins involved, all of the deleted emails were dated post-departure from SecState.

>>31832807
So shouldn't be damaging for them to be seen then.

>>31832792
Hmm. No, just because a significant amount of her private communication has been made public does not mean the rest should be made too.

Although there is precedence to make public some private information if you are running for office. But as of this election, some candidates(only one) chose not to abide by that precedence.

By all means thought lets see Trumps private correspondence, I doubt he can actually type to be sending emails.

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>>31831742
We are the victims of communism

>>31832930
No proof.

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>>31832757
This bait is so old it belongs to a museum.

>>31832690

The polls aren't reliable. They've admitted to oversampling demos that vote left and there e-mails from Clinton cronies where they literally ask pollsters to oversample certain groups. They want to make it seem like she's already won so that people who might vote Trump, or anything other than Hillary really, don't bother voting at all. They did it 8 years ago and it didn't work because Obama. This time it started to work, but people are already calling bullshit.

They fucked Bernie similarly, not that I love the guy.

As far as "damning evidence", there's plenty to be seen. If this was happening in a nation where the people were more than pussies and paid attention to anything other whores on TV and video games, she'd be in prison or hanging from the end of a rope by now.

>>31832692
>personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help

>>31831414
Can you please go back to /pol/ with this retardation it's borderline RIDF trolling.

>>31831742
>and us being occupied by Russia for over 60 years
Kek, so you don't consider being a part of Russia for 200 years before that occupation, you don't consider previous 150 years of being a part of Sweden occupation, but then in the 20th century it all of the sudden becomes one? Bitch, please. Estonia is a definition, a physical incarnation of a non-country limitrophe. It always was, it is and it will forever remain a shard of someone else's empire, doesn't matter if it's a Swedish province, Russian governorate, German occupation zone, Soviet republic or European Union member.

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>>31833021
So you are telling me there are no proofs? :^)

>>31833079
That's what he says. I swear, it's like people who post that picture never bothered to actually read the text.

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>>31833112
Probably because no one except for Americans and their leaders bother with the words of towelhead terrorist goatfuckers. But back to the question, so you are telling me the proofs are absent?

>>31833136
>Ronald Regan meets with a group that did not exist during his time in office.
Hmm I did not know he was still active, in the mid 90s, in the foreign policy sphere. Was he like an ambassador or something?

>>31833136
>Taliban even existing in 1985
But anyway, I'm saying if you're trying to use that article as proofs the US viewed Al-Qeada as an ally you should look elsewhere.

>>31833136
>Iran-Contra
>Hughes Amendment
>Destroys mental health infrastructure
>Created long-term economic damage and a new ultra-rich class that could buy US elections
I don't get why Conservatives hold him up as if he were a saint.

>>31833136
Goatfuckers with pigfuckers

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>>31833158
What does it have to do with the 90s exactly?
>>31833159
>It's not one grout of savages, it's another totally different one!
But anyway, this article is posted to show the favorable view the American state propaganda was giving to towelhead terrorists at that given time.

>>31833136
What always makes me chuckle about this is that the people that the US supplied and aided in Afghanistan ended up being the Northern Alliance.

>>31833206
>American state propaganda
A British newspaper with an article written by a journalist who has always criticized American and Western foreign policy actions in the Middle East

>>31833227
*A British newspaper with an article written by a journalist who has always criticized American and Western foreign policy actions in the Middle East is American state propaganda now? This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say people who post the article never bothered to actually read anything beyond the headline.

>>31833227
It portrays towelhead terrorists in a good light. It is American state propaganda. Who repeats it makes no difference and only further proves its successfullness on propagating favorable view of goatfucker savages.

>>31833280
>towelhead terrorists
At the time that wasn't really a thing. The biggest groups of terrorists were Eurocommies like Baader-Meinhof. They were freedom fighters acting against a commie invasion of their homeland.

>>31833280
By the time that article was written the US was no longer trying to portray the 'goatfucker terrorists' in a a good light, and never did so with Bin Laden in the first place. And if you actually read his other interviews with Bin Laden he is most certainly not portraying him in a good light.

>>31833309
>They were freedom fighters
I don't even need to say anything, you are making a fool of yourself all by yourself. It really peaked when Americans began to call Ichkerian terrorists "freedom fighters".

>>31833358
It doesn't make it any less of an American state propaganda.

>>31833309
>Baader-Meinhof

Nahh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA_(separatist_group)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

>>31833362
>I am a retard with no understanding of history

>>31833382
There were a ton of different groups in the 70s and 80s. Islamic groups post Desert Storm just took up the mantle.

>>31833374
I want you to explain to me just how you think a British anti-war journalist who has reported firsthand on many middle eastern conflicts with a decidely anti-western view is parroting American state propaganda. The only way he puts 'goatfucker terrorists' in a good light is by taking the view that their actions are the fault of foreign powers in the first place.

>>31833386
You are sure free to think that. It doesn't make you repeat rancid 80s pro-terrorist propaganda in 2016 any less.

>>31833410
I just explained that. He is portraying terrorists in a good light. Whether he withes it or not, he is factually repeating American state propaganda.

Sometimes I come into vatnik threads just to appreciate the artistry of the shitposting.

>>31833426
Still butthurt about the cold war, my vatty chum?

>>31833426
>He is portraying terrorists in a good light. Whether he withes it or not, he is factually repeating American state propaganda.
So if someone says that terrorists are justified because (I'm not claiming that's what Fisk argues, just using it as an example) because of American intervention into their countries, then they're actually just repeating american state propaganda?

>>31833447
Sometimes I talk to fatniks just to appreciate the artistry of self-justification and denial caused by the support of terrorists.

>>31833447
Call me CTR if you want, but i almost wish for Hillary to win, just so we can be rid of the incessant shitposting.

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>>31833449
Still butthurt about 9/11, my fatty lad?

>>31833413
>Fought against foreign invasion
>Drove Russkies out
>Terrorists

Their post-war government takover isn't terrorism either, no matter how shitty they were. Even then Al-Qaeda was a splinter group forged from the non-afghani foreign fighters who came to their aid that BECAME terrorists. You're the revisionist here you little shit.

>>31833072
(You)

>>31833469
Never. I had a lot of fun in the ME.

>>31833460
Change American intervention for Soviet and that would be it.

>>31833470
Please, proceed with this denial, this is extremely amusing.

>>31833500
>Historical faxcts are denial

Fucking Vatniks, everyone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/astonishing-photos-of-prewar-afghanistan-show-everyday-life-in-peaceful-kabul-2013-2

>>31833514
Your attempts to justify the support of literal terrorists is denial, not historical facts. Historical facts just make the process of you trying to justify supporting terrorists only more amusing.
>Turn off your ad blocker
Kek.

>>31833462
well by that logic, you support and arm russian terrorist in Donbass, no?

>>31833558
>They weren't terrorists at that point
>Hurr duh invasion of Afghanistan that wrecked the Russian military and left a power vacuum in Afghanistan makes the people defending against the invaders turrurists
The majority of Mujahadeen were at no point terrorists. They transferred from anti-Russian fighters to government power. Quit being revisionist because the truth makes Russia look bad.

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>>31833561
Where did I support them? I genuinely believe that both Donbass and Ukrainian mercenaries are equally scum.

>>31833602
In this particular case the truth makes Russia look extremely good. But by all means, proceed justifying supporting terrorists. Like I said, it is entertaining, especially in the current year, decades after this propaganda went rancid.

>>31833630
What truth? You invaded and wrecked a nation so badly that a bunch of religious fanatics who drove you out then took over. If anything the Taliban were ISIS 1.0 that YOU made and we supported because "fuck the commies."

>>31833668
The truth that American government supported terrorists and has managed to spew out propaganda so dense it is repeated by some simple minded folks to this very day.

>>31833696
They weren't terrorists until well after you ran with your tails between your legs you little shit.

>>31833706
You sure keep repeating that if this rancid propaganda makes you sleep at night.

>>31833735
>Russia has no fault!
>Russia is innocent!
The truth isn't always sweet and happy, Vatnik. Did we fund and arm the Mujahadeen that became the Taliban and Al Qaeda? Yes. Nobody is disputing that. Would they have existed at all without your invasion? No. Were they terrorists? Technically the Mujahadeen and Taliban never were. Al-Qaeda did become that, but they were outsider guests of the Taliban to begin with, and Bin Ladin found a new cause in the post-gulf war permanent basing of the US military in the Middle East, and started his terror career with the WTC bombing attempt.

>>31833805
Simply putting more words into the same old rancid mantra that your government was propagating decades ago won't make your attempts to justify supporting terrorists any less pathetic.

>>31831404
>sign treaties to not do things
>then do them

Treaties always have shelf life, and whenever somebody's in a position to break them, they do.

>>31833850
>I don't have any actual counterarguments to historical facts

>>31833899
Historical facts are the counterarguments to your rancid propaganda.

>>31833916
Awwww, did I run out the script your FSB bosses gave you on how to reply to facts about your invasion of Afghanistan?

>>31833925
Your government ran out of script on how to support terrorists decades ago. And yet here you are trying to justify them.

>>31833976
>And yet here you are trying to justify them.
Not justifying anything, just trying to fix your completely wrong, oversimplified ideas on what happened.

>>31834060
Your attempts to "fix" historical facts in accordance with the rancid propaganda of your state are indeed very visible.

>>31834092
>Says the Web Brigadier blatantly posting Russian propaganda trying to justify their ass-blistering defeat in Afghanistan

>>31831503
Can we get the name changed to this please?

>>31834234
At this point you are so upset no one is buying your rancid decades old state propaganda, that you can't even use English language properly. Brigadier, my dear ignorant history revisionist, is a military rank.

>>31834339
>Shitposter got nothing but shit rhetoric to retort with.

Please use something else then "rancid propaganda" the next time you reply to that anon pls, it's not entertaining right now.

>>31834339
>Brigadier, my dear ignorant history revisionist, is a military rank.
I'm quite aware, it's not always an officer's rank, either. The entire point is to call you out for what you are: an agent of Russian Propaganda in a state-run propaganda apparatus.

>>31831601
>Having a war with a country that has 3 times more nukes than you
>Everyone but Hittlery Clitoris agree that a war with russian is a giant mistake

>>31831503
Well it used to be /k/ - Racism & Paranoia until /pol/ was created.

>>31834975
>Everyone but Hittlery Clitoris agree that a war with russian is a giant mistake
>Implying Hillary has ever said she's going to take us to war with Russia in any direct way
>Implying Trump hasn't said he'd have our troops commit an act of war against Iran

At best her commentary was along the same "we aren't just going to take their shit" line Obama has.

>>31834992
That was only in the interim between /new/'s deletion and /pol/'s creation.

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>>31831336

>a strong sense of encirclement
>sense

>>31834975
>Hittlery Clitoris
Do you and people like you never feel just a little ashamed for resorting to such a childish level?

>>31834975
Hillary never advocated a war with Russia.
As much as Russia would like people to think she has.

The US's military posture hasn't changed one iota towards them, and yet their rhetoric is through to roof. Hyping a conflict that's not happening for political leverage is the sort of game North Korea plays. To see it from Russia pretty much confirms that its inferiority complex over being yet another third-rate banana republic is warranted.

>>31835968
It's a defensive alliance. Russia basically can't attack these countries, which in all logic makes them feel encircled and threatened. Because you know, it's very difficult not to attack other countries.

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>>31835968
>north Atlantic ?
what is with all the light blue members ?
its like the shire tying to fuck with mordor

>>31836152
>It's a defensive alliance.
It was.
I can't remember who what NATO member was attacked by Milošević and I can't remember NATO help when Greece was under attack.

>>31835989

Holy shit that's rich coming from CTR

>>31835968
>rot in hell, 3rd world

>>31831336
Wow, it's like the Truman Doctrine and Marshall Plan did exactly what they were intended to do.

>>31836164
They aren't NATO members, they're US allies.

>>31836170
It still is. It doesn't mean all they can do is wait patiently for a full scale attack or whatever.

>>31831449
As part of the breakup of the SU, NATO agreed not to advance into the former republics. but then rembering that means being honest with Russia.

>>31832451
>
>but if Russia takes action in the middle east, there's no way it's to serve their own interest. It's only in the name of global stability!

Did you read what he wrote? He explicitly mentioned the stability of authoritarian countries. And then he pointed out that stabilizing these smaller authoritarian countries helps protect Russia. The two points you're pointing out are on and the same

You clearly don't have a head for grand strategy and obviously don't play chess

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>>31836369
>not to advance
>advance
>loophole
Can't do anything if they join us instead
>mfw a fifth of the former Soviet Republics refuse CIS membership and, together with most of the Warsaw Pact, apply for NATO membership

>>31836636
Nope, its required NATO not move, it could not accept the republics just like you can't accept that the SU had a better level of employment and a more sustainable model than the US long term.

>>31836651
Required?

What treaty did NATO sign that says it can't expand east?

>>31836665
Same one that said the SU had to dismantle, embrace capitalism, and not take over the Warsaw pact again.

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>>31836651
>List of former Soviet Republics that are now NATO members.
>Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia
Nigga you retarded?

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>>31836651
Are you a fucking idiot? That green text isn't hypothetical. It actually happened newfag.

>>31836725
Did NATO advance on Russian territory, shrinking the distance?
Yes.
Is Russia very much alive and having a gay old time?
Yes.
All of this happened.
Perhaps you should try taking some remedial English and a logic class due to the internet parlance having made you understandable to a linguist, but you do not gain the ability to understand same said. Should take you less than a month, and the benefits are life long at figuring out who your friends really are.
Logic and civics should be required, Home ec and marksmanship mandated.

>>31836684
>Same one that said the SU had to dismantle, embrace capitalism, and not take over the Warsaw pact again.
The slavs did this to themselves so where are you planning on going with that?

>>31836908
>Did NATO advance on Russian territory, shrinking the distance? Yes.
Your first counterpoint is to concede the argument?
>Is Russia very much alive and having a gay old time?
How is that relevant? Nothing about my post posits otherwise.
>Long, cringy soapbox
Past your bedtime, autist spawn.

>>31836684
And which treaty is that, pray tell? Could you name it? Perhaps you meant the German reunification one, but that only stipulated no NATO troops in East Germany. Of course, remembering this would require honesty from Vatniks.

>>31837221
As I said, its the same one people say Russia has to follow. I don't know the name. Perhaps people who dislike Russia should name their reciprocal treaty.

>>31837236
your argument isn't especially compelling when you freely admit you have no clue what you are talking about, comrade

>>31831336

Sorry Russia, we're too busy bombing terrorists to bother with a war right now. Go bug Ukraine or something.

>>31836908
>Did NATO advance on Russian territory, shrinking the distance?
Your former slave states choosing to go to NATO once free isn't "advancing" on your territory.

>>31837280
Other way around, arming terrorists and wanting war. They could also stop bugging Ukraine, but that would mean redacting themselves from history at this point. Then ukies would whine about ceasing to exist as well.

>>31837297
Good to know that when I make your raifu ejaculate casing all over herself, its okay. Now bring it over, we need to make screenshot love together.

I'm at the Starbucks in Target wearing a MAGA hat.

>>31837307
It's almost hilarious but for how dangerous it is that you actually believe the propaganda Putin feeds you.

It's been this way since literally forever, read some Russian history. They've always had this insecurity, and I can't blame them. They've a massive periphery and the threat of encirclement is real.

>>31837324
Oh so the USA isn't arming the FSA? THe PKA? Its also not establishing sanctions, nor does it have presidential candidates fighting over whether they should go to war, with the next president stating she wants war with Russia? You're not putting sanctions on select goods and men with intent of punitive actions for events that you purport are not of concern?

>>31837348
>Its also not establishing sanctions
>UN Sanctions over legitimate problems with your invasion of Ukraine and indiscriminate bombing of Assad's enemies

>nor does it have presidential candidates fighting over whether they should go to war, with the next president stating she wants war with Russia?
Please actually provide evidence that she has ever actually said this. I won't really bother waiting because she hasn't.

>You're not putting sanctions on select goods and men with intent of punitive actions for events that you purport are not of concern?
>UN sanctions are US actions

You really love that shit being squeezed straight into your mouth from Putin's ass, right? Got a great nutty taste to it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt2_OLY3Ho

>>31837493
Us pays the bills for the UN and hosts it, its a US arm of policy. Otherwise, why does the US not accept all the treaties and acts coming from it? After all they're good enough for the rest.

>>31837522
You're a permanent member of the Security Council, don't be a twat about getting what you deserve.

>>31837555
World recognition for achievements, lucrative contracts for tapping the vast natural reserves we have, and the accidental and untracable to me destruction from within of all our enemies?

Well that's actually happening, courtesy of male presidential candidate and the glorious impacts of your wasteful and wanton destruction of your once beautiful country.
So thank you America, without your righteousness, we wouldn't be so far ahead.

You do still however need to build an aircraft that can survive our more basic export missiles, its more fun when they use the scramjet and break crystals.

>>31837585
>World recognition for achievements, lucrative contracts for tapping the vast natural reserves we have, and the accidental and untracable to me destruction from within of all our enemies?
I said deserved. If you can't actually earn that why should we congratulate you on that?

>Well that's actually happening, courtesy of male presidential candidate and the glorious impacts of your wasteful and wanton destruction of your once beautiful country.
He's not going to win, it's going to kill the GOP and create the opening for a new party, and things will ultimately still be the same for Putin's ambitions.

>You do still however need to build an aircraft that can survive our more basic export missiles, its more fun when they use the scramjet and break crystals.
You can't even detect them, so good luck even getting a shot off before SEAD ops wipes out your radar stations.

>>31837681
>I said deserved. If you can't actually earn that why should we congratulate you on that?

And yet it is happening, deserved for our work, and greatness for home and country.

>He's not going to win, it's going to kill the GOP and create the opening for a new party, and things will ultimately still be the same for Putin's ambitions.

Nearly half of your population agrees with him, numerous high ranking people agree with him and shall remain in their stations. Numbers of your country are planning and acting with teh intent of open revolt when he is not crowned god emperor. Oh yes your republic will be killed, its time over again. But then it shall come again and see the glory of totalitarian rule over the lessers, tempered by a quorum of learned men and women.

>You can't even detect them, so good luck even getting a shot off before SEAD ops wipes out your radar stations.

Which of course is why you prohibit the models from being used in wargames after those glorious Blakan bastards destroyed your AWACS and all aircraft sent after it.
Tell me, what good are your stand off weapons when engaging SHORAD complexes designed to engage and destroy them?
You do not posses DEW countermeasures to the systems yet, nor can you find passive listening devices watching and targeting your highly netcentric communications. LIDAR based atmospheric observations, civilian weatherband radio and acoustic methods all shall know of your subsonic craft.
Supercruiser merely need smile for the ISRT as they glow wonderfully. You do not have stealth, you mere skulk in the skies like a nigger in a darkened alley. And just as the men you once were, we shall burnt hat fucking nigger and leave him as a warning to any more that might come and test their betters.

>>31837760
>Huge pile of nationalist propaganda
Try to come back to reality, Vatnik. You are a failing kleptocracy kept afloat by the outrage manufactured by your King Thief at what the rest of the world is doing to "poor little Russia."

Trump is a joke with a lot less support than he appears to have because the media thrives on public figures saying crazy shit.

>Completely made up shit about exercises

>>31837946
So you are now saying you have a super ker topological inducement schema to radiate energy orthonologically to the source?
Tell me then, why do we not jsut look for the patch of missing and traveling sky then? Good job making yourself detectable via photo, still no answer for how you intend to breach layered defenses as part of your opening wave.

He has more than 2% of support and in excess of 7% that is historically all that is needed to start and win a revolution. You should have chosen a better candidate.

>>31838013
You do realize that the US has similar but better ground radar tech, right? And a far superior native semiconductor and computing industry, right? And we have IADS in the form of the regularly updated AEGIS. We aren't just blindly building stealth "oblivious to Russian super air defenses." We've already thought of, tested for, and developed weapons and tactics to counter those various "stealth killer" technologies you claim to have.

>>31838013
>He has more than 2% of support and in excess of 7% that is historically all that is needed to start and win a revolution. You should have chosen a better candidate.
Not how it works in the US. He can sit in his gold-plated penthouse all he wants and fume, but he won't be president.

>>31838091
No its how revolutions work, you know that whole reason you loudly clutch guns instead of the hand of a loved one?

>>31838078
THe US has very interesting RADARs, but at the point of discussion with low observability designs, the issue becomes less of the resolution, and more about power, which play into your second part but has an issue. Transistors are a liability at this amperage, MOSFETs are a cigarette lighter, and you need inch thick electromechanical relays immersed in oil for flash suppresent. Doable by all means, but there are better ways in the form of thermionics, which are more robust but procure a charging time before and ater use. Something which will be supplanting electron dipole movement designs within 3 years in laboratory and 7 in production.

Ah yes the awesome American black budget, so simply and utterly effective at sequestering money on limited runs that are even smaller than its main line fleet. yes we know, yes it still dies to a missile all the same as it is made of inferior armor to an IFV. You do not have enhanced fuels that work better than kerosene, your supercruise defeats low observability designs, improved designs still react and look the same in laminar airflow and subsonic regimes. Physics is a German mistress and can not be ignored.
You speak and seek ignorance and grandeur, but forget that you release white paper after whitepaper detailing everything we need to know, yet rely upon Yandex postings to see ours.

>>31831404
Pravda ain't real news, Comrade.

>>31838249
>I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but the book the FSB boss gave me looks impressive

>>31838249
>You do not have enhanced fuels that work better than kerosene
>he doesn't know about the borated fuels

>>31838249
>No its how revolutions work, you know that whole reason you loudly clutch guns instead of the hand of a loved one?
>Implying it will be more than a small handful of assholes who die fast if they go violent
>Implying we've gotten anywhere close to an actual flashpoint for a revolution

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>>31831782
The only reason North Korea exists is because they're incredibly useful to the United States as they are.

Their existence and belligerence is just the excuse we need to get South Korea and Japan agree to let us forward deploy our military right on China's doorstep and Russia's backdoor.

We don't give a damn about what they do other than that, but the moment they step out of line and actually threaten us, they're going to find out real quick how easy it is to topple their mud hut kingdom.

>>31838408
Well he does now!

>>31836687
I mean, they were part of the Soviet Union proper.