/akg/ AK General

>>31829384
So is the AK-107 Kalashnikov Concern's take on the AEK-971? Or are they the same?

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Just got 5 black bakelites in, all cicle 10, 21 and 25, each was $25 shipped and load fine

How'd I do?

>>31829384
The AEK series and AK-107 are two completely different designs. They only share the same concept of a balanced recoil action.

>>31829428
oops, that was meant for >>31829400

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>>31829384
Don't forget.

https://ghostbin.com/paste/s8x43

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>>31829471
How can we modify this shit?

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>>31829417
No anon, you got 5 polymer mags.
But you did good.
>Pretty sure I'm still the only one with black bakelite.

>>31829384
Does Interarms make any good AKs?

>>31829553
How are the aluminum waffles?

>>31829417

> black bakelite
> all circle 10, 21, 25
What is going on here ?

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>>31829596
Light, but the finish is weak.
If you stare too hard it comes off.
They're pretty neat though, and don't look bad with a worn finish either.

>>31829578
Sorry, meant High Standard, do they make good AKs?

>>31829620
neat

If ammo guy comes back, I would be interested to know what ammo is best.

>>31829712
Best for what?

DAILY REMINDER THAT AKs ARE A WASTE OF MONEY! BUY AN AR!! DONT BUY AN AK UNTIL THEY FALL BACK TO <500 FOR WASR.

>>31829748
shooting ballistic gelatin in simulation of killing human-sized mammals, possibly wearing denim jackets

>>31829780
Ah. There's some discussion of this at the end of the last thread.

Good antipersonnel bullets have been designed that are quite suited for both the 7.62x39mm cartridge and the AK platform, but are not currently readily available. There is lots of (spendy) ammo with hunting type softnose bullets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZD3kIeGaUs

Note that the bullet went through a 16" block end to end then entered a gallon milk jug. Penetration may be on the high end of optimum here.

US commercial sporting ammo is comparable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEo6avZd9ys

The Russian "hollowpoint" ammunition usually doesn't expand, neither does the Russian "softpoint" ammo. It's not very consistent, but this level of performance is normal and anything better than this is a bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6RVuISLJ3o

You can't really blame the importers. The factories change bullet designs and change tooling constantly. The importers constantly change the names and you never know what you're going to get until you open the box.

Russian ammo is also, these days, mostly loaded in non-lacquered, non-copper-washed cases that aren't sealed at primer or case neck, which makes the ammunition vulnerable to both moisture and corrosion.

So there's brass-case commercial hunting ammo, if your AK feeds it, if the bare lead at the tip of the bullet doesn't hang up on the way into the chamber--not every AK will run reliably with ammo like this, and, to be fair, the AK was never designed for it either.

Brass case isn't cheap, even before you get into the exotic stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP_R9obc_Ds (solid copper hollowpoint, seems to be intended for hunting whitetail deer)

So, to answer your question more directly, IF your gun will feed and function with ammo using ammo with softpoint bullets, the least expensive good performers are probably going to be brass-cased ammo with softnose hunting bullets, from Prvi Partizan or Seller & Beillot.

Is the 7.62x54r vepr just a meme that will beat itself to death and i should get it in an actual ak caliber or is it good to go?

ZASTA

PAGING ZASTA

About how much did you Madsen semi auto build run you?

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>>31830143
Little less then $400

Why?

>>31830248
Just curious how much you had into it. I've been itching for some sort semi auto machine gun for fun and the Madsen is near the top of my list because it's mechanically interesting while also being extremely historically significant.

If I could afford a ~$9000 semi auto PKM I'd be all over that but that's way too much.

>>31830288
Yea a semi PKM would be cash. I just recently sold my two extra Madsen kits

Is there a more or less "correct" way to convert a M92 PAP into an SBR?

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>>31830466
Underfolder or bust!! looks so awesome

>>31829764
Get-out reeeeeeeee

>>31830472
>Not triangle side-folder
Come on mang.

>>31830529
On a M92 no looks all wrong

>>31830248
>>31830472
>>31830545


HNNNGGG so sexy!

>>31830545
>50 shades of digiflora

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Looks all goofy with a sidefolder

>>31830619
I don't think it looks goofy, just not right or correct.
It's not like I'd say no to a M92 with triangle.
>It's a Kyber Krink

>>31830619
I like the real folders. Ace stocks are okay.

When will the AK market not be utter trash again?

>>31830644
Never. The gun market can only go up. That could be good or bad, depending on how you look at it. On one hand, you can only buy so much gun. On the other hand, everything that you do buy will be more valuable later.

>>31829764
im with this guy.

HONESTLY after trump wins.

A lot of guns are gonna go DOWN in price.

Because the price gauging obama lovers who claim to be "republicans" cant make up no stupid bullshit about how their gun is worth so much money. ESPECIALLY for AK! the fucking entire premise of this platform is that it is CHEAP EASY to make and RELIABLE!

It is through sheer fucking price gauging assholes that these guns are worth more than they should be. Becuase i know there is just some retards out there who had to buy fcking 20 of X gun due to 'Obamas gonna take ER GUNS!"

>>31830664
Don't listen to this man. He just wants all the AK's for himself!

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Thinking about getting a Zastava M90NP instead of a Mini-14. Have the issues with canted sights and gas selector been fixed or just have to hope i get a good one and not have to send it back? Im wanting to put either the texas dogleg rail on it for an adjustable peep sight or the Tech sight dust cover.

>>31830796
Hate to say this in an /akg/ but just get a fucking AR.
M90NP's are going for almost $700 now and are nowhere worth that, especially with all the extra shit you want to do to it.

>>31830842
Yeah its a toss up on the ar because id like to plink with some wolf and such. Plus its that rarity to it that gets me

>>31830870
It's a neat concept, but I think somewhat poorly executed.
>If they'd had used a steel magwell, it would have sold like hotcakes.
You do know you can shoot Wolf in an AR, right?
It's not like people don't shoot steelcase in their ARs, sometimes exclusively, with no problems.

But if you want to add one to your collection because it's neat and different, then by all means, go for it.

Are the Arsenal 5.56 aks worth it?

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>>31830891
Yeah its funny though i can watch them do it on youtube but if i go to any shop or talk to any other person they crucify me for the steel case. Ill look into it a bit more and see itll either be an m4 or the dissipator. I know the pic is shit but the guy took them off the web and this is the only ibe i could find

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>>31830903
I had a 106f and loved that fucker like nobodys business but had to get rid of it for the wifes meds bills. I miss it the only exspensive thing about it was the mags. Beware though the very early 106's had bad feeding issues because of not having big enough ramps in the chamber for the long 5.56 but as far as i know the cr versions are the only ones with gas issues. The pic is a 106 with the texas dog leg very ak-12 looking if you ask me lol

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>>31830903
Hell yes.

Some of the early ones from like 2006/2007 had feeding problems but that's been fixed for a good while now, just check the serial prefix before you buy.


Also Arsenal has said they discontinued the SLR106 series, yet I keep seeing new ones popping up.

Mags can be expensive but it's not as bad is it used to be when you consider the price of AK74 mags has sky rocketed.

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>>31830908
>Listening to fuddlore
Anon, you're better than that.
Believe your own research, not the bullshit others spew.
The M90NP does look a lot better in wood too.
That M76 grip and stock are cool, but I'm a little more "traditional" and would put M70 grip and furniture.
>Or maybe a Manticore sidefolder setup and balkan war handguards.

Go with your gut.
If it says M90, then grab one.
ARs will still be there (hopefully) if it turns out not to be what you expect.

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>>31830957
Yeah i know its a tough one though when it comes to going off the beaten path of things that seems set in stone.

I want to do a wood folding stock on my M92. Currently I'm trying to figure out how, since I don't think they make the adapter anymore.

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>>31830970
>Seems set in stone
He's a protip, if someone is trying to sell you something, they're always going to steer you to the shit that costs more and makes them more profit; ie brass vs steel case ammo.

Again, just go with what your first thought was.
>And if it turns out that is the M90, post it and give us your impressions. There's not a lot of them here, and it'd probably be appreciated.

>>31830991
Alright will do

>>31830972
>Buy M92
>Buy this
https://www.legionusa.com/ak-100-folding-wood-stock-set.html
>and this
https://www.legionusa.com/ak-100-folding-buttstock-mechanism-rear-block.html
>Do a bit of fabrication and modifications
>????
>Profit

There's a reason Manticore stopped making that adapter.
>because it was shitty

>>31830972
>>31831016
Apologies, since you already have the M92 you can skip step 1.

>>31831016
That's as much as I originally paid for the gun. I will have to think about it.

>>31831034
Probably more after it's all said and done.
But it would look so fucking nice.
And most likely be one of a kind.

Are the "High Standard" Hungarian rifles on Atlantic worth the price?

>>31831172
Nobody knows. I've never seen a single review on them.

Would I be able to fit a half case of 7.62x39 in a 5.11 Rush 24?

>>31831364
>1000 rounds of Golden Tiger fits in 50 cal can
>50 cal ammo can is 462 cubic inches
>5.11 Rush 24 has 2000 cubic inch / 33 liter total capacity
My guess would be yes, easily.

>>31831436
Glad I'm not the only one who filled .50 cal cans with loose ammo

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>>31831541
No you are literally the only one ever in the history of the world who stores ammo in an ammo can

>>31831546
keyword loose

I just see most everyone stacking the boxes inside the cans, white several cases I just filled them up with loose ammo. To my surprise a .50 can just barely holds 1000 rounds.

>>31829526
Copy, make a new page, paste, edit what you think is wrong.
I don't think anyone except for the creator should edit it, so we don't have 50 variants of the guide, just post what you want changed.

akg bros. please help me resist buying the zenitco light for my ak. I should really spend $200 on more ammo instead. send me inspiration.

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>>31831828
The heart wants, but I don't think panic hoarding is warranted yet

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Interest MAR variant someone posted on the files

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>>31831828
Get the ammo you can ductape a maglite on.

>>31831902

that looks tasty. I've been looking at that can recently https://deadairsilencers.com/products/wolverine-pbs-1/

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>>31831902
Just an AK in an IMI Magal chassis.

The Galil Magal was some weird abortion that shoots .30 Carbine and takes M1 magazines.

>>31830957

Heya, what's up with the magazine well on that AK?

Is that like an aftermarket part you can throw onto any AK? Or a particular model or something?

>>31832038
IIRC the magwell on the M90NP like pictured is welded on or some shit. You can't easily remove it.

>>31832043

Interesting. What's the point of it?

I must admit I like the look of it, but it looks like it would be more difficult to load a mag in, since normally you're meant to 'rock' it in. How can you do that if the magazine well is so deep?

>>31832087

Just realised it was for 5.56 AKs.

Derp.

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>>31830903
I love mine and it's my main raifu

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>>31832623
5.45 masterrace :)

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>>31832680
I need to finally make a 74 mag work

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>>31832707
Saiga pro mag and swap the follower.

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>>31832753
*buy

>>31832753
Going to try to build up material on the back of a 74 follower

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>>31832778
That will likely work.
Just scored a cleaning rod for 3$ plus shipping.

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>>31832862
Nice!

fucking ak107 garbage, only half decent modern AKs are the ak 74m and ak 103 in my opinion

>>31832985
You on Iphone ?

>>31833019
Yes
>phoneposting
I know but it's the best I can do at work. I miss you Jlist

>>31832985
>>31833035
Hiromoot is gonna be the death of 4chins. People just don't seem to realize he was ran off 2channel for a reason.

>>31829384
Does the ak-107 exist in 5.56?

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>>31833035
Just get a android clover browser works very well.

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Shout out to USPS workers for stealing the four plum mags I sent to cali
>>31832985
Lol

>>31831828
You can at least take ammo to the range.

>>31833141
Ballsy commiting multible felonies in your work establishment

>>31833057
I don't know what I would do without 4chan, I can't imagine it not existing

>>31833069
In a sense, some people talk about the Ak-106 in reference to a .223 AK-107, but I don't think there's any proof of such a model actually existing. There's just some drawing from a book or something that also lists the AKMSU as an actual AK model. However a .223 AK-107 does actually exist in the Russian competitive shooting market, I think the name is MK-107, and is a .223 chambering of the 107 action, just looking different because it's very hispeedlodrag for 3gun.

>>31833095
I will when my 6 stops working

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>>31833173
Only a 6 ?
Just get both driod and i phone .
> 7 is best

>>31833287
I would get the SE before I got the 7, I quite like the 6 it's treated me well.

>>31833141
USPS workers steal my mail all the time too.

Leave it to the government to not hire deadbeats..

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>>31833308
Really the only thing i like about the 7 is the camera, but i could not get my fiancé to switch to droid.
>pic related taken with the 7

>>31833141
any tracking info?

>>31833315

I used to get mail every day, even if it was junk mail. Don't get me wrong, I don't like junk mail, but it was uncommon for me to NOT get some mail every day.
It was rare to NOT get mail for 2 days in a row.
It was literally unheard of for me to not get mail for 3 days in a row.

mail carrier that worked this route retires after 30-some years.

introduce new mail carrier.

now I might get mail once or twice a week.
it is kind of common to get NO mail all week long.
talk to route supervisor at P.O. she tells me she'll look into it.
nothing changes.

yay government.

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>>31833315
>>31833687
You do know that the whole purpose of government now is to be an endless jobs program for "diverse urban yoots," right?

We put a man on the moon before most of the people reading this thread were born. Or your parents.

Now we can't even keep the fucking lights on. Shaneequa can't be fired and fuck you Whitey, that's why.

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>>31832985
>iPhone
>using browser instead of based clover app
>never seeing glorious WebMs

Why must you do this, Chimps?

>>31833173
>MK-107
Thanks anon, it is indeed a Caйгa MК 107, I want to fingerfuck one now.

>>31834226
Very nice. A WASR refinished to give the BFPU look?

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>>31834242
Not mine but yes, it appears to be.

>>31834187
>never seeing glorious WebMs
I think you've been misinformed. WebMs work fine on phone browser.

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>>31834314
On iPhone?

>>31834323
>>31834314
I import them into the VLC app and view them as a network stream. Makes me have to switch apps but it werks alright. When I open a webm it opens a new tab, and ever since I downloaded the VLC app an option pops up in that tab to open in VLC. It switches the apps automatically and downloads the webm. But no, webms don't work on Safari in iOS 9, I haven't updated to 10 because it looks terrible.

>>31834375
Not saying that they do work in iOS 10, I just don't know either way

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>>31834375
Ah that's not too bad then I guess. Still, regular browser sucks on the phone.

>>31834435
Gimme dem mags

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>>31834163
Did you say yoots?

>>31834163
I work for a large multinational corporation, I can confirm. It's not much more than a neoliberal work program

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Do Romanians have smaller sling swivels? I've asked here twie and on akfiles but apparently nobody knows anything.

Google has been of zero help and as far as I can tell there's zero vendors online with a romanian sling swivel in stock to buy.

I've thought about using a dremel to remove some wood to make the slot larger to fit a standard sling swivel, but the new hole for the screw would be pretty close to original one which I'm worried will cause structural integrity problems if the wood cracked or chipped off taking a 1/4 of the screws threading off.

Since it's going to be holding up a 13-15 pound RPK I'm putting that plan on hold in hopes that maybe somebody can give me a concrete answer.

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>>31834682

>>31834682
fill in the old hole with epoxy or wood putty before you redrill it

>>31834699
Better fix would be to drill the old hole larger, drive in a hardwood dowel with some wood glue, and drill the new hole in the correct location once it dries.

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>>31834692
We'll just googling it Romanian/Bulgarian look to be much closer dimensions than what you have there

>>31834729
The one pictured is a Bulgarian swivel from Kvar.

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>>31834872
Ok

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>>31834500
Oh. Excuse me. Youths.

>>31834682
Got some calipers?
Can you measure the holes in the stock and the swivel that doesn't fit?
Might be easier to find the right one if I know what the dimensions are.

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What the fuck is this

>>31834959
Best I could do was a ruler.

The swivel is an inch and 3/8s

The slot is an inch and 1/4

The screw holes are 1/8

>>31835142
Kill yourself

>>31835126
galil-15
>but does it work

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>>31830248
I'm going to need to trade guns with you....common... the madsen and a 63s. For some calico and other stuff.

>>31835181
He wanted to trade for my woo hahaah

>>31835149
For not owning a set of calipers that up until now I've never needed a reason to own?

I made due with what I had on hand for a rough estimate, cockmongler.

>>31835217
It is nice though

>>31835292
interesting =/= nice
>the lower is nasty af famm

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>>31835315
Interesting=nice

>>31835315
That thing is fugly

>>31835320
you would trade a factory rifle for that hack job?

>>31835336
I hope not that would be retarded...

>>31835336
Not a woo trade..but I'd be interested in looking at it either more pics.

I like weird shit.

>>31835363
Reminds me of an early bushmaster.

>>31835386
Ya im trying to get info i wanna know for science haha

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>>31835142
Ok, so after digging out a stock set with a swivel it turns out it's probably the same size as the one you got from Kvar.
But, I think what will fit is an SKS swivel, as long as it's this kind and not the "cheap" flat type. (You'll know what I mean when you search)
This particular one is chinese, but I'd bet it'll be the right size and look correct.
Most places don't mention dimentions, so look for a swivel with the mounting holes closer to the center nearer to the actual sling swivel, if that makes sense.

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>>31835400
I dig them

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>>31835412
#neat

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just got an n-pap and tried to shoot it. almost broke my cheek bone looking down the iron sights.


whats an comfortable and well made side mount rail i can put on this guy? also like 30 bucks

>>31835412
Aftwr further research i kind if want it now.Fuck i kind of want it now.

>>31835455
See....weird=nice

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>>31835406
I've noticed most places don't post measurements as well.

I'll do a bit of looking online and give it a shot. Thanks anon.

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>>31835406
I've noticed most places don't post measurements as well.

I'll do a bit of looking online and give it a shot. Thanks alot anon.

In the meantime I have one of those sling mounts that fit between the pistol grip and reciever until I get a working sling.

>>31835455
Well, the seller would obviously rather have you Daewoo than what he's got.

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>>31835546
Haha idk

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>>31835564

>>31835435
>Well made
>$30
Pick one and only one.
Stop being poor and get an RS Regulate 307 that is made specifically for the M21 siderail the Yugo has.
Any other mount, that's readily available, will not mount properly.
>Well, not without modification anyway.

Here, give this a read.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186767

>>31835569
Just send back #nobansmatter

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Is this mag as valuable as I think it is?

>>31835564
Hm. Well, I guess that's pretty solid reasoning from his perspective. Still, you've already got a unique rifle that you're familiar with, and that you know is reliable.

If he's going to trade you one of his two rifles, he's going to give you the one with more issues.

Not saying it's a bad deal, but I'd be hesitant to trade away a really cool rifle.

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>>31835605
Found at lgs 65 bucks

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>>31835606
His first offer
>pic related

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>>31835612

>>31835605
That looks like one of the "converted" East German Bakelite 5.45 magazines that had the follower changed out in order for it to feed somewhat reliably with .223 ammo. It's an East German bake is it not? Not very valuable

>>31835612
>>31835622

>>31835626
This
From what read century jeri rigged them to work. I guess maby a neat novelty.

>>31835621
Is that a joke?

>>31835724
I mean it's funny

>>31835724
I hope but no lol
He got back to me on info tho
Its a gwinn bushmaster serial #123
Aka "american galil"

>>31835758
It's a cool rifle. I'd buy it for $685-700. But I'm cheap

>>31835769
He wants my woo +400 lol

>>31835774
Yeah. Naw. Cool though

>>31835774
Are there any parts on your gun that would be considered a "tang"? Like a stock tang? Just curious

>>31835774
That's insane. Like, yeah, it'd be cool to have another interesting rifle for the weird=cool aspect, but there's no way I would go for that deal.

You do what you want, but if you disagree with me, then you're wrong. Haha.

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>>31835788
Thats what i said hahah i mean daewoo parts are hard enough were the fuck am i going to get shit for that.

>>31835811
I would say no

>>31835828
I like my woo to much.

>>31835847
I'm so glad to hear that.

>>31835949
How's the kick on that vepr 12? Was thinking about getting one myself in the future.

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>>31835984
Not bad at all. It was totally worth the $699. Mags are pricey though.

>>31836002
Vepr mags are always going to be pricey regardless. Anyway, great to hear.

>>31831580

Get silica packets for loose ammo

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>>31831541
>>31831580
No, the keywords are Golden Tiger.
You can fit 1k rounds in boxes in a 50cal can.
>GT boxes are more compact than any of the other animal brands.
So I don't store it loose.

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>>31836162
And boom, Robert's your mother's brother.

>>31835605
>>31835612
>>31835622
isn't a .223 bakelite just a 5.45 bakelite that's been kludged to take 5.56 ammo?

>>31836184

With room to spare for some silica packs!

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>>31836162
1680 in a crate
Idk why other brands waste space with their boxes.

>>31836184
And I just have 5k just sitting in their shipping boxes still in my close. Do want.

>>31836162
>>31836184
>>31836546

Fuck you guys, now I want to buy more ammo.

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>>31836513
That's what I read. I hear they are unreliable. I'd buy a few to try but I hear they won't work in an slr-106

>>31835126
It the fuck is a 1970s Gwinn Firearms/Quality Parts Corporation "Bushmaster Assault Rifle." There were many production variants and fewer than 3000 total in all variants were made between 1972 and 1988. The one in your picture has the very early Stoner 63 type rear sight base but later guns got a rear sight base looking more like the one on the Galil.

It's a gas piston driven, AK-ish design that uses AR15/M16 mags. Some had folding stocks, some didn't. Some had wood furniture and some had black plastic. All had M16A1 plastic grips and A1 type flash suppressors.

There were top charging handles and side charging handles, solid stocks and sidefolders, 2-3 types of gas block, 2-3 types of rear sight mount. They were made in small batches. All or almost all have 1:12 barrels for M193 only.

I am told the design is actually pretty solid and there is some collector interest.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2900/2974.htm

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>>31834500
>>31834987
the best

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So do all yugo rifles have a bolt hold open feature or is this a happy mistake from removing the full giggle pieces?

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whats better for a first ak, c39 or npap?

>>31829384
https://soundcloud.com/luxlafuego/sin-city-prod-eshe-nkiru

>>31837840
Wait is it actually being held open by something or if you push on the charging handle will it fall forward?

Usually when it's like that it's just stuck on the hammer

>>31837875
It does go forward when you push on it, so it's just getting caught on the hammer. Works reliably enough to be a pseudo BHO though

>>31837908
Id just shoot it more she will losen up for ya.

>>31837840
You get your m72?

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>>31838015
Yeah. $300 and one and a half month total wait time. No complaints aside from rivet quality, this is the worst one. The stock trigger is real fucking nice compared to my gi m16 trigger

What scope mount rings should I get for my scope on my ak if I want to see my iron sights under it? I'll be getting a 40 mm scope.

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I know there's an anon in here who has a boner for these

>>31838049
Rivets look fine to me, he'll of a good build price.

>more pictures plz

>>31836162
Is Golden Tiger good for home defense, or should I go with Wolf HP?

Can someone give me a low down on the best ammo for desert shooting vs home defense?

>>31837859
Neither.

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>>31838451
It doesn't show up in the picture very well, the edge of the rivet is pancake-d out. Still a great price for it.
Also, what do the new zastava rifles have as markings? Did they just replace "Yugoslavia" with "Serbia?"

>>31838527
desert shooting - whatever you can find
home defense - a 12ga shotgun

>>31838425
>AoA caving in to gypsy prices
There's a reason other importers don't have the romy kits, and it's not because they aren't available...

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>>31838574
>home defense - a 12ga shotgun
Fudd go home, this is a tactical neighborhood.

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>>31838596
M67 for home defence

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>>31838596
>fudd

so are current stock npap's shit quality?
was really thinking about skipping a wasr and grabbing an underfolder npap

>>31838627
No, they're fine. If you want one, get it.

>>31830013
Just get spare extractors. Haven't had a problem with mine yet, besides the recoil loosening the screws in the stock every fucking time.

>>31838627

Nah, they're fine. Some of the first batch had incorrect heat treating on bolt carrier and wrong recoil spring with them from century, but current ones are golden. especially for the price.

>>31838627
>>31838639

if you wanna play it safe with the screws, add a rubber recoil block to the spring assembly and it'll not happen!

>>31838657
aren't those a meme that ends up fucking everything up?

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>>31838627
Get the wasr.

>>31838623
12ga for home defense is the epitome of fuddlore.

SBR shits on it in literally every imaginable way.

>>31838667

nah, but you gotta get the ones that are actually kinda squishy, not the hard plastic ones.

proofs: None, but I'm 6700ish rounds into a rifle that I use one with.

>>31838627

underfolder N-PAP is nice, but for a little more, you could get yourself a M70ABM milled rifle that's yugo and underfolder and also has gas cutoff option and grenade sight! Also the rifle is super smooth shooting and very nice quality of finish.

>>>31838627
>underfolder N-PAP is nice, but for a little more, you could get yourself a M70ABM milled rifle that's yugo and underfolder and also has gas cutoff option and grenade sight! Also the rifle is super smooth shooting and very nice quality of finish.
Dont they have us barrels

>>31838716

Not always a bad thing. I don't own it but I've played around with one a friend owns at the range, it shoots great, is spot on out of the box, no cant, super smooth bolt carrier travel, good springs, and crisp trigger. What more do you want?

>>31838675
>living in a historic middle/upper middle class neighborhood
Feels good man, that iridescent laminate feels good

>>31838731
>what more do i want?
A chromed lined barrel but that is just me, im sure its a decent rifle.

>>31838774
That's fair, though to also be completely fair, it doesn't make a difference for commercial ammo.

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>Need job in order to continue buying AKs and ammo

>job takes away time to shoot AKs

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You know you want one...

http://r.ebay.com/iwmSkG

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>>31838671

different anon, but I was planning to get a WASR, but I impulse bought a RAS47 today. did I fuck up?

pic related

>>31839028
>RAS-47

It's fine if you'll only ever shoot it a handful of times. Don't expect it to perform like a real combloc import though.

>>31839028
>this better be bait.
Return and buy wasr

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>this cost almost $100 alone

>>31838587
Allegedly AoA will be offering them for $500, we'll see

plinking in desert: whatever you can find, the cheaper the better

for home defense: pls see >>31838527

recommendation was commercial brass-case hunting ammo with softnose bullets, IF your gun feeds them without the soft bullet noses catching on the feed ramp

least expensive at acceptable quality are probably gonna be either Prvi Partizan or Seller & Beillot brass case 124gr jacketed softpoints

>>31839103
derp. response was for >>31838527

reference should be earlier post >>31829987

see also http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#mozTocId299149

>>31839035
bullshit. there are people who have shot the goddamn barrels out of an RAS47 with no failing parts.

>>31839240
Ah the Buyer's Remorse is already starting to kick in.

>>31839240
>>31839263
When I see reviews saying that the gun is full of cast parts that aren't properly heat treated, and as a result the gun beats itself to death and becomes completely nonfunctional at 5000 rounds or less, I tend to believe that Century is once again living up to their reputation.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/04/26/akou-completes-5000-round-test-on-century-ras-47-rifle-is-not-fine/

Imported by Century? mite b good. Built by Century? Run away. You wouldn't think it would be possible to fuck up a design as simple as the AK but they managed it.

Get a WASR for $100 less and spend the $100 on ammo and mags. You will come out far ahead.

>>31839028
>does zero research and buys an AK that will explode after 150 magazines have ran through it.

Nah it's good OP, you should buy another one.

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>>31839483
Forgot to ad
>mfw

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Is this alright /k/ ?
It is a ras47, I know, shit. I paid $750

>>31839906
Why

>>31839912
What have I done wrong

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>>31839906

>>31839922
You got an RAS47.

Your rifle a shit. SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs7eK2SmGYM

>>31839922
Everything.

>>31839953
Well goddamn I'm not going to get any better I guess. I've been lurking for over a year you fuckers tell others with ras47s it's ok for what it is. I figured this was fine for poorfags. My first exposure and you tell me everything's wrong. Constructive criticising fellas please

>>31839973
I rarely post. For AK's I'd only buy saiga,vepr, arsenal, and ddi myself. Others are happy with some of Centurys better built guns but I've never heard anyone say an RAS, or IOs trash, is good.

>>31839906
You fucked up....
Thats a good album tho

>>31839999
>those 9s
I will look into something better, thanks

>>31839973
Other than trolls, we've never told anyone to buy a RAS47.

>>31840029
I also own a mav88, I am truely a poorfag but I will aspire for something greater. I will lurk more and improve my arsenal

>>31839952
I watched this, now I know thanks

>>31840057
If you're a poorfag, I really suggest you sell off that RAS47.

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>>31840098
Any recommendations? What is top tier? I'm due for another purchase, I was going to get a Winchester repeater but I'll invest into a better ak
>pic related this is my granddad's 30-30

>>31840129
Here's a guide, but since you're a poorfag, unless you REALLY like AKs, I wouldn't get an AK.
https://ghostbin.com/paste/py877

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>>31840001
https://youtu.be/jRt6zz7Cy8I

>>31840138
Thanks that's helpful

>>31840162
What I meant by "unless you REALLY like AKs, I wouldn't get an AK" is that AK market is pretty shit and if you're simply looking for a rifle, buying an AK isn't the most financially logical idea. For the price of an low tier AK now, you can get an decent AR, doll it up, and get ammo on the side.

>>31840098
It is sort of unfortunate.

American Rifleman, whose writers I tend to find credible, claimed they tested an RAS47 and even the least accurate type of ammo they tried in it was still shooting under 2 MOA on average, with five-shot groups, and the best type was under 1.25 MOA. There are AR15s off the rack that won't shoot this well. The barrels are decent and the extra rigidity of the 1.5mm receivers seems to help.

But the metallurgy is FUBAR from one end to the other. Bolts mushroom, bolt carriers peen and bend and raise burrs on the too-soft bolt rails. Melonite style coatings give high surface hardness but this is NOT a substitute for doing the heat treatment right in the first place, not in a firearm.

>>31840176
samefag.
Yeah, that would be my next endeavor is to build an AR, I will lurk more and make wiser purchases.

>>31832043
Iys not welded. Its got a pin in where the old mag release lever was. The original mag well had to be milled out for the ar mag adapter

What's a good duracoat finish for an AK? Just going for standard black

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>>31839906
Did you have to cheap out on every gun related item in this pic?

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>>31840236
Quit teasing me.

>mfw STG kit coming soon

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>>31840242
I'm finally taking mine out shootin Sunday. You got an upper receiver yet?

>>31840251
Not yet, probably will get it when I get the kit

>>31840263
Try to get a forged DSA one when ya do then. I think there's a few good ones on FAL files right now

>and get it before they're gone

>>31832038
Yugo M90NP 5.55/.223

>>31840268
falfiles does a receiver group every so often. unfortunately this quarter's buy ended already but it was an imbel gear forged receiver for $475 each plus $25 shipping. minimum for the buy was 100 receivers combined and there was 109 purchased this quarter.

What FAL kits are out there these days?

I have mixed feelings about the FAL. It doesn't call out to me the way the AK or the Garand does. And so many FALs have loose rattly rear sights that wiggle a quarter inch side to side under finger pressure that I wonder whether there was some kind of design problem.

I wouldn't say no to one if I found a well made one at the right price, but I thought FAL parts kits dried up years ago.

I think the Cetme Modelo L (the roller-locked 5.56mm rifle, that is) is a neat and fascinating design but there's a severe lack of receivers to build the parts kits on, BATF approved fire control parts, etc.

>>31840333
gunplumber (arizona response systems) bought up a shitload when enterprise arms went bankrupt. it's all mixed stuff but if you don't care about matching numbers a little less than $500 ain't bad

>>31840289
I wonder, will they do another imbel gear group buy next year? I missed this one.

Hey these are actually available
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/CMC-TRIGGERS-AK-DROP-IN-TRIGGER-GROUP-3-5-POUND-FLAT-4p4426.htm

>>31835406
I've noticed most places don't post measurements as well.

I'll do a bit of looking online and give it a shot. Thanks anon. Also please fuck my ass

>>31840595
as long as there are receivers to be bought I reckon there will be group buys

>>31840614
but is it worth 3-4x an ALG trigger?

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MAN i forgot INauguration is not until January.
I REALLY REALLY WANT to buy myself a BERYL!

But i think it would be much better to just wait untill after he is inaugurated. Because i know the price may go down cheaper. AND if he gets rid of all the bullshit weapon regulations that cost us money and do nothing. We may get a shitload of a new batch of em.

im gonna add the top guns attachments to mine.

>>31841174
excluding the flashlight and the foregrip.

>>31839483
>Nah it's good OP

OP is the person that started the thread.
If you use it to simply address the person you are referring to, you are using it wrong.

>>31830664
>after Trump wins
Problem is, Trump is going to lose. Shillary is sadly going to win.

>>31838611
FMJ for HD. Use Russian 8M3.

>>31839240
Lol. No one has shot the barrel out of one except for that ditch bitch shill Yeager.

>>31841174
lol putting an EO-KEK on a rifle.

>>31841437
8M3 is Russian HP

>>31841452
pretty spendy unless the person selling it isn't aware of its value
>mfw I saw a 1000 go for $230
8HP is all over the place if you know what to look for, I got 1200 rounds for something like .22/rnd

>>31841502
The problem with trying to find 8m3 or 8h3 is that the bullet type is not marked on the packaging and just because XYZ company used those bullets one time for brand ABC ammo, that doesn't mean they always will. I've seen youtube ammo test videos that showed ammo with GREAT expansion (assumed to be 8m3), and then other ammo from the same lot just blasting through the gel block with zero expansion that apparently had a different projectile in it.

>>31841533
You must be referring to the fairly recent Tula lots that apparently had 8m3 projectiles. Yeah best of luck with that crapshoot.

The original 8m3 boxes are well understood afiak. Blue and white "effect" uly, sapsan and so on. 8HP was a precursor to 8m3 and quite good as well.

>>31841561
There was apparently some Bear (can't recall if it was Silver or Brown) that had 8m3 projectiles as well, not sure if it was very recent though.
And as you said, it's pretty much a crap shoot.
>It's kind of like the boat tail Klimosvk that was around for a little while.

This lucky fucker found a case of both 8HP and 8M3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrS-kya8xVA

I wish he would start making videos again.

>>31841561
Maybe if enough of us ask Sam (from SGAmmo), he could get Barnaul to do a run of 8m3 projectile loaded cartridges.
>Similar to the "milspec" white box stuff SG had made for them recently.

>>31841610
>Similar to the "milspec" white box stuff SG had made for them recently.

Seems like I remember it being a sort of camouflage pattern or something, but yeah I've been waiting very impatiently for them to get that in stock again. It sold out so damn fast.

>>31841621
The Barnaul white box is still in stock.
>Only in 100rnd lots, but you can still buy a case.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/surplus/100-round-lot-762x39-fmj-123-grain-barnaul-mil-spec-ammo-sealed-bullet-and-primer-la

Not sure what you're referring to.
Maybe Wolf Military Classic?
That's the only stuff I can think that is in a "camo" box.

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>>31841647
My bad. I was thinking of their milspec 5.45 which I've been waiting for.

>>31841647
>>31841689
And it's not camo, it's just green

http://www.sgammo.com/product/545x39-ammo/750-round-case-545x39-60-grain-fmj-mil-spec-ammo-lacquer-and-sealant-wolf-perfor

Found a 545 saiga at a gun show just now for $800. The handguard isn't converted though, is it a good deal /akg/?

>>31841701
it's a bit high, but you are unlikely to find one cheaper since the import ban on them, so I'd say if you want one, and can afford it, get it. they're not going to get any cheaper unless a future pres cancels the import ban, and I just don't see that happening.

>>31841716
Do you know if it would cost a shit load to convert it? And are they able to take standard polymer mags without conversion?

>>31841723
>Do you know if it would cost a shit load to convert it?
$200-ish. maybe more maybe less. that's a gunsmith cost. less if you do it yourself, but you'd need some specific tools.
also that price is just for the front end conversion (gas block, hand guard retainer, front sight block)...by your post I was assuming the back end had been done (pistol grip, trigger moved forward to the mag release, standard buttstock)

>And are they able to take standard polymer mags without conversion?
yes.

Ok /akg/ I already have a sam7sf and I am now in search of a lightweight stamped rifle, trying to decide between an npap under folder with Balkan wood, or a wasr. Help plz

>>31841863
Between those? WASR.

>>31841533
My white and blue boxes are clearly 8M3. I've even pulled a two to double check.

>>31841647
Barnaul white box is nothing like 8M3

>>31841911
I was thinking of some of the brands that are labeled like Wolf or Tula, etc, that sometimes have 8M3 bullets in them, but aren't labeled has having the 8M3 bullet. It does happen occasionally, but not often.

>>31841915

he didn't say they were. try and keep up.

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>>31839906
>not only did he get a RAS47 he cheaped out and has a UTG airsoft-tier side mount and scope on it too

>>31841933
He was inferring that someone's wolf and Tula have them.

That is true. It it hasn't happened in 4 years so it's irrelevant to even mention it.

>>31841999
*sometimes.

>>31841999
>He was inferring that someone's wolf and Tula have them.
no he wasn't. follow the chain back to where he says "Maybe if enough of us ask Sam (from SGAmmo), he could get Barnaul to do a run of 8m3 projectile loaded cartridges."
damn dude, can you even read?

>>31841723
>And are they able to take standard polymer mags without conversion?
You may have to file down the mag catch and install a bullet guide.

>>31842043

I bought a NIB completely untouched sporter 5.45 Saiga and it took every kind of mag without doing either of those things. I did eventually add a bullet guide to ensure reliable feeding, but from what I've read it isn't really necessary.

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>>31842043
>>31842061
I still need to install the bullet guide on my saiga. I haven't had any issues without it though.

>>31842073
I'd say don't bother unless you start having issues.
Who did your conversion? Still trying to find someone to do mine.

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>>31842094
I've got the bullet guide already, I just need to install it. Flandre dd the conversion.

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>>31842094
I did my conversion myself. Not that hard.

>>31834500
Loved that movie

>>31842176
I did mine to, to the point that yours is done (except I went with wood furniture). But I want the front end done now, and I don't have the tools to populate a barrel.

>>31842112
I've sent him multiple emails and messages and he's never responded, so I guess he doesn't do that any longer.

>>31842234
Yeah Flandre doesn't do gunsmithing stuff anymore because he doesn't have time or something.

Just finished installing Hogue rubber hand guard and I am pleased with the result. Saves a lot of weight.

>>31842234
Have you looked at Arizona Response? I am going to send my FAL there. He builds AK's too, so maybe he can finish the conversion for you.

New thread here
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>>31842447
never heard of them. I'll do some checking. thanks for the suggestion.

>>31840493
Entreprise Arms is gone?

I thought they were still in business. Last I checked their web page was still up. It hadn't been updated in a while, but...