My recruiter just told me, in basic terms, that he's going

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2W031 here.

You are a fucking moron. You were told "This is where the Air Force needs people" and you responded with "Waaaaaaah but I don't want THAT job I want THIS one!"

Now you've come on here to bitch about being told "Fine, there's the door I got plenty of other people to choose from" AND you are whining that you don't want to be near the flightline.

Fucking nonners. We don't want cunts like you bitching all day about your job anyway.

>Required ASVAB Composite Score: E-70
>Security Clearance Requirement: Top Secret
>Strength Requirement: G
Lel
>Other Requirements
> Must be a US Citizen
> Normal color vision
> Completion of high school is mandatory.
> Additional courses in business, mathematics, computer science, or information technologies is desirable.
> Network+ certification is desirable.
> The ability to obtain a government drivers license is mandatory.
What didn't you measure up to, anon?

>>31824904
They don't need the job you want right now. Suck it up or come back later.

>late 90s 2000s babies
Kill yourself

Join the navy anon. Air Force is shit unless you want to play in space.

>>31824904
did you put those jobs you dont want on your list?

>>31824904
Find a different recruiter and go to them. Explain everything in as little bullshit as possible. T

hey have quotas and many times the fuckers get a commission on recuits for high-demand positions and will try to railroad people into shit positions for a fat bonus.

If that's not an option, try the branch's online resources. I don't recignize those MOS numbers, so I assume it's AF. They've probably got a good online presence, and if you think you're getting fucked over, ask/confirm with an official source online.

>>31824904
You sound like a whiny cunt

>>31824970
Oh, and to add, if the branch doesn't need more of X job, you're not getting X job. Full stop. Doesen't matter if it's the most mundane shit. There's basically no guarantees, even in the army you're only guaranteed to get a specific MOS's training, not that you'll actually perform that job once you're done.

Needs of the Army > Your desires. If you want control over your life, stick to the private sector.

>>31824970

Nice try. When I was with my recruiter on RAP a kid came in to join and when his name got ran through the system he got flagged because he had fucked around on DEP with another recruiter in a nearby city.

Going to another recruiter will just prove to the Air Force once and for all he's a scumbag.

>>31824904
How the fuck do you get kicked out of the military before joining the military?


Come on..

>>31825002
Fuck, I dunno. I'm just parroting the shit that was relevant when I went through. The army needed people bad, and there were a ton of recruiters who would flat-out lie to get people to sign for high-demand (and therefore high signing bonus + recruiter kickback) positions over anything else.

My recruiter encouraged me to fact check elsewhere to make sure I wasn't getting screwed over so I'd be more motivated to complete OSUT and he'd get his cash. I just figured it still worked like that.

USE THE FUCKING GENERAL THREAD INSTEAD OF MAKING A NEW ONE, YOU CUNT AIRFAGGOT

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>>31824966
This. The Navy has the best range of jobs and superior travel opportunities. So glad I joined over the other branches.

>>31824904
This sort of shit is why I'm joining the Coast Guard. If you cant immediately get the job you want, (which you won't if you're interested in LE outside of Gunners Mate), you can remain an E-3 nonrate until a spot opens up for your school. Nonrates don't fuck around either, there's always some shit on a cutter that needs doing. Still, shit sucks anon. Maybe look at other branches?

>>31825005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU_EMA87Fv8

I'm thinking OP isn't telling us the whole story.

>>31825051
Who cares? Air Force isn't military and this thread shouldn't be on /k/

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>>31825035
>Coast guard
>non-rates

Prepare to wash dishes, dish washer.

>>31825060
Who died and put you in charge?

By that logic the gear queer, weeaboo and writefag threads shouldn't be here either.

Which honestly, I think those should fuck off too.

>>31824904
>and I told him that when I get in, I am the Air Force, so my needs matter as well

lel, this guy

>>31824904
no you are being smart. don't sign away years of your life without getting a contract for the job you want. you can go to another recruiter.

>>31824948
I am perfectly fine with waiting and completely willing to do it until a slot opens up.

Whatever though, fag. Stay 2W. How're the sexual deviants and/or heroin addicts?

>>31824955
I'm stellar in everything except for the Network+ cert and the driver's license, which I didn't have at the time of enlistment, but have now. Ability to obtain doesn't mean actually having it, does it?

That's why I opted for 3d0x2. It's a very close second in preference, and I'm completely qualified for it.

>>31824962
> Suck it up or come back later.
> or come back later
That's the thing. I'm willing to wait.

>>31824966
>>31825034
Really? How's the navy?

Actually, I want to go through the Palace Chase Program after two or three years.

Also,
> wanting to be a butt pirate

>>31824965
I'll consider it if I'm unfortunate enough to become nuke.

>>31824968
No. Or at least, I tried to put as little of them in as possible. I had to put in 14 different jobs after getting disqualified for them for not having a driver's license.
I KNOW I put in 2W1x1, though.

>>31825051
OP has options, Gus recruiter has significantly fewer options. OP is in a position to solicit better offers from other branches or even different recruiters from the air force. OP shouldn't give up on himself and getting the job he wants and us qualified for, no one else us going to fight for him as hard as he is.

Source: I was once 17 and fucked by an air force recruiter mercilessly without lube

>>31825087
>Wah, my needs matter
>Air Force
Yeah, you picked the right branch.

>>31825082
Shit needs doing, and lord knows the FS's could use a hand. Besides, 4 months as non-rate isn't so long versus 3 years working a job I actually want once I can put my name on an A-school list.

>He kept on talking about "needs of the Air Force" and shit, and I told him that when I get in, I am the Air Force, so my needs matter as well.

Jesus Christ

>>31825029
He's not an airman if he hasn't gone to basic training, come on. He's nothing.

Also generals are cancer.

>>31825060
>Air Force isn't military
Well, there you have it folks. Apparently the Air Force is actually angels that appear overhead whenever the REAL military screams loud enough after getting ambushed and needs to have their asses saved, yet again.

year and a half ago I go to army recuiter get 89 on asvab, wants me to go m35 I'm like cool. On adhd meds and depression oh shit. He tried so hard to get me to sign but was recommending I lie on the medical part I was like nope. not worth time in a federal prison.

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Is it true that 99% of the Air Force is just a pilot's fluffer?

And most Air Force pilots are essentially flying bus drivers?

Why would anyone not flying a fighter aircraft admit to being in the Air Force? LOL

>>31824904
I support you in principle. Don't sign up for a job you don't want, if getting it that specific job is more important than getting into the USAF.

But christ you're going on about it like a tremendous faggot. And
>18
>no driver's license
wtf is wrong with you anyway?

>>31825176
eventually airforce gets sexual servents for pilots... enlisted men have to prepare their anus..

>>31825118

>Stay 2W. How're the sexual deviants and/or heroin addicts?

I don't even know what meme you're trying to shitpost with.

Kek.

I actually dropped out of the AF dep since the guy in charge of the recruiter was being an asshat to me on our first meeting. I don't need to take that shit from some e-5.

Ended up joining the Navy desu

>>31825188
this isn't russia bro

>>31825176
>Is it true that 99% of the Air Force is just a pilot's fluffer?
2% of the officers fly, and 2% of the enlisted fly as aircrew.
>And most Air Force pilots are essentially flying bus drivers?
This is true of every AF pilot. Yes, even those in fighters. Being in a fighter doesn't make you a knight of the air or some such nonsense, you fly where you are told by the AWACS to deliver a bomb at the parameters designated for you by the targeting pukes, that has already been preset by the ammo guys. It's just a matter of putting your plane in the correct spot of airspace at the correct speed and hitting the release. Then you fly home along a route determined by the AWACS or intel pukes. There's barely any decisions being made by the modern fighter pilot.
>Why would anyone not flying a fighter aircraft admit to being in the Air Force? LOL
It shows that you weren't foolish enough to get suckered into being a grunt, for one thing.

>>31825176
CAS and bombers are pretty fucking legit, you have to admit.

>>31825251
>2% of the enlisted fly as aircrew
No they don't.

Who is that semen demon

>>31825271
Well gee I guess my Aircrew Fundamentals technical school course at Medina AFB must have been mistaken when they gave us that number, or you might just be talking out of your ass. Wonder which it really is?

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>>31824904
I wanted to enlist as aircrew but only had a couple jobs offered to me(all flightline) but I took one just to get in. Now I am in the process of cross training to be a C130 flight engineer. You don't have to limit yourself to one AFSC your entire career.

>>31824970
>>31824998
Thank you.

And yeah, they're AFSCs.

Cyber jobs are in demand, man. I think there were five 3d0x2 slots open last month.

>>31824973
That may be the case, but I don't want to be a faggot who has to spend 14 hours a day on flightline instead of getting free training and education on a field I'm interested in on the government's dime.

>>31825002
Oh shit nigger wat do?

>>31825005
He wanted me to take a job I didn't want. I said no.

Besides, I can always drop out of DEP and try enlisting again. I just need a waiver.

>>31825024
That sounds completely rational. I wish he would at least try to be, but his response to me telling him that there were no 3d jobs in any of the aptitude areas was "Who's the recruiter here; me, or you?", to which I replied " You. however, according to instantasvab, this is the case." After that he went off about trust or whatever, and then the "needs of the Air Force" , and all the things in the OP.

>>31825029
> implying
See >>31821998

GET MAD KID GENERALS ARE CANCER, EAT A DICK CANCERFAGGOT

>>31825035
Thanks.

I've been looking into the Army ever since he made the initial threat, and they give the shortest enlistment contract. I know I'm going to join the Guard after the Air Force.

How is the Coast Guard?

>>31825051
What, you want MORE?

I'm willing to give more details about my enlistment.

>>31825060
Cry more faggot, because it is.

>>31825087
>>31825134
What, not a good comeback?

If I'm doing a shit job, I'm going to do a shit and inefficient job. I'll probably try to sham my way out of shit at my earliest convenience instead of actually trying.

If I do a job that I'm actually interested in, I'll try to be the best soldier I can be.

I told him that too, but instead read as "If I do a job I don't want, I'm not going to be effective, and will instead be a liability to the Air Force instead of an asset" , or something to that extent.

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>>31825366
>enlisted
Again, you don't fly. You are an assistant. Like an actor's foot massager.

>>31825261
More so than fighters. Fighters are just memeplanes. They only exist because ground attack exists, there would be no need for air superiority otherwise. Bombers are the coolest

>>31825271
>>31825366
can confirm. They pretty much drill how special you are for wearing a bag throughout fundies

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>>31825391
>that nigress body shape

Damn, the Air Force looks like THAT!

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>>31825391
Top kek. Let me guess, we've got a pilot feeling super salty about being a Rivet Joint bus driver for all the translators and ELINT specialists who are doing the actual important work for the mission.

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>>31825442
>REMF thinks he's important
The AF is only good for logistics and CAS.

>>31824904
>military recruiter doesnt like my independent thought

geeeeeeeeeee I wonder why youre being discharged

>>31825387
You do know you can join the Guard or Reserve (the better of the two) directly instead of doing active duty first, right? A lot less stick up the ass of people who are part timers, too.

As to 3D, look even if you sign up for that job you may have circumstances end up such that you aren't getting it. I signed up as a linguist and ended up as a targeting analyst. As it turned out, I'm a lot happier there anyways. I knew a couple other guys who didn't make it through the linguist school and got reclassed to ground radio and ground power.

>>31824904
>He kept on talking about "needs of the Air Force" and shit, and I told him that when I get in, I am the Air Force, so my needs matter as well.
He's talking about the mission, dumbass. The Air Force only needs so many computer geeks at a time, you sound like an incredibly entitled and immature millennial when you respond like that.

>>31825504
>grunt trying to justify his existence as more than a bullet sponge
Sorry you got tricked, anon.

>>31825082
>>31825139
Huh, sounds like a nice gig.

>>31825083
This.

The generals are too slow, too.

>>31825113
Thank you, but what about what >>31825002 said?

>>31825122
Thank you so much, man, for giving me hope.

>>31825147
Come on, man. What would you have said in response to MUH NEEDS OF THE X?

>>31825149
This.

I'm still in the Delayed Entry Program.

>>31825164
Heh

>>31825169
I'd like to tell you what my recruiter did, but I don't want this post being traced back to me.

>>31825180
Thank you.

The reason why I don't have it is because I never needed one.

I never went outside. Haven't visited a friend since I was maybe nine, and only really went out two years ago during summer for a game of hide-and-seek.

It's fucking depressing, man.

Don't misunderstand, though, I'm actually very affable, or would like to think so. I think I talk too much and too deeply about some things sometimes, though, and it just goes over everybody's head.

Also, I couldn't get earlier this year because my parents are divorced and live hours away from each other. My mother had all of my documents - Social Security, Birth Certificate, everything. She never made a push for me to get a driver's license - didn't pay for any of the classes offered at school because I didn't "remind her" (reminding her meaning telling her over and over again to do something for days on end and continuing to push back the date of payment - IF you actually get anything, of course - which makes asking her for things a drag), I never needed it, and since I was with my father for the summer, I couldn't get it. Even though she told me to work on it. I didn't even get the certificate - it wasn't in my father's budget and my mother rarely - if ever - pays me back for expenses I've incurred on her behalf.

Unbelievable.

>>31825195
What, it's changed since 2014?

>>31825624
>I never went outside. Haven't visited a friend since I was maybe nine, and only really went out two years ago during summer for a game of hide-and-seek.
>Don't misunderstand, though, I'm actually very affable, or would like to think so. I think I talk too much and too deeply about some things sometimes, though, and it just goes over everybody's head.
It was at this point that everyone in the thread realized that OP was a sperg and that his recruiter is desperate enough for numbers to deal with him but not desperate enough to go out of his way to get a sperg in.

>>31824948
>You are a fucking moron. You were told "This is where the Air Force needs people" and you responded with "Waaaaaaah but I don't want THAT job I want THIS one!"

I am fucking astounded that people join the military

at literally any non-shit job you get to decide what you do and when, but with the military they act like they're doing you a big favor by allowing you to do shitty jobs for them

>>31825624
>I never went outside. Haven't visited a friend since I was maybe nine, and only really went out two years ago during summer for a game of hide-and-seek.
>Don't misunderstand, though, I'm actually very affable, or would like to think so. I think I talk too much and too deeply about some things sometimes, though, and it just goes over everybody's head.

Holy fuck.

>>31825624
And thank you for explaining wtf is wrong with you. Wow.

>>31824998
This. You are at the mercy of uncle sam, and if your desires and his don't coincide, tough shit. Just lucky my preferred MOS was open

>>31825674
Dude, you aren't good at manipulating people. You need to shit on their chest and make them thank you for it.

Find a fat chick with low self esteem and practice on her. Gaslight her, all that stuff.

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>>31825225
How is it?

>>31825279
I'm glad you asked!

I can't give you the name, bug I can give you where it's from.

Lanfeust Quest, its french and no dub or subs
https://mega.nz/#F!6QgxnZhC!HCqsnqCeG7x5FfVdQmGrLA

>>31825367
Yeah, of course not.

I just don't want to have to deal with bullshit for four years before actually choosing my career path.

Want to cross-train into 3d1x2 if I get into 3d0x2 and vice-versa. Maybe I'll even see what 1b4x1 is all about.

Of course, I'm planning to become a warrant officer in the future.

>>31825549
kek

>>31825558
Isn't going Guard or Reserve then active duty hard? It's not something I'd like to do, anyways. I'd just stick to the Guard if I ever got in it. Would like to become a warrant officer, eventually.

And come on, man, I was mad and couldn't think of anything. I heard it in a Jewtube video once, so I used it.

>>31825661
Where do you think you are?

And maybe so, but whatever. I like researching about things that I actually care about, and sharing that information with others.

>>31825674
This.

>>31825677
What can I say? I've had a shitty childhood.

I don't think about it often, but when I do, I try to hold back my tears.

>>31825701
You're welcome.


I mean come on, guys, what did you expect? Where do you think you are, man?

Am I really that much different from the rest of you basement-dwelling faggots?

Don't try telling me you haven't had problems of your own.

>>31825848
Air force doesn't have warrant officers dingus

>>31825387
>How is the Coast Guard?
Tiny, but punches WAY above it's weight. There are a total of 20 jobs ("rates"), but within one job, you can be doing hugely different things. The Guard requires versatility, because unlike the Navy or Marine Corps, we don't have a fuckhuge logistical train behind us, or half a dozen extra bodies for every little task. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it has the highest or 2nd highest retention rate of all branches, with a retarded number of prior service recruits from other branches, so take from that what you will. Most Coasties are incredibly happy with their choice of branch. I ship out for basic Nov. 15th, I cant fucking wait.

>>31825856
I'm well aware, which is why I said that I'd join the Army National Guard earlier.

>>31825873
You can't Palace Chase into the Army Guard, that's an AF program. Or is your plan to do 2 years AD AF, palace chase into ANG, then later go over to NG? You're all over the damn place.

>>31825848
>Isn't going Guard or Reserve then active duty hard? It's not something I'd like to do, anyways. I'd just stick to the Guard if I ever got in it. Would like to become a warrant officer, eventually.
It is basically impossible to go active duty after going reserve or guard. BUT you can get full-time orders as a reservist especially, where you are basically working full time but work for the reserves.

AF doesn't have warrant officers, btw. You'd have to pick a different branch.
>And come on, man, I was mad and couldn't think of anything. I heard it in a Jewtube video once, so I used it.
Some advice for you if you do get in, from someone who has managed to fly below the radar for 8 years of active/reserve duty combined: keep your mouth shut next time. Especially in a situation like this where your recruiter is RIGHT to tell you that the needs of the AF outweigh your personal needs/wants as an Airman. And don't quote youtube videos either. It's better to be a smartass than a dumbass, but that doesn't mean anyone likes a smartass either.

If you get into any branch, there are times when you're going to find that what you want doesn't matter, because the military as a whole needs something done and it comes first. You might deploy when you don't want to, you might be based somewhere you don't want to, you might be forcibly reclassed. Deal with it, it's the nature of the beast.

>>31825896
Not only that, but Blue to Green is only active duty to active duty.

>>31825857
Sounds pretty fucking cool.

I know you might not know the answers to any of these questions, but how's enlistment from prior service? How's the warrant officer program?

Are there any bases near the Corpus Christi area, and how could I get in them?

>>31825896
I know.

2-3 years AF active duty, Palace Chase into Air National Guard, enlist as a 17C(?) in the Army National Guard and get my E-5 there if I haven't gotten it already (with promotion rates in the Air Force, I doubt it), then try to become a 170A warrant officer.

>>31825958
why don't you just enlist in Air National Guard and transfer to Army national guard later. You will have plenty of time on orders (depending on your AFSC) Don't see the point of 2-3 years in AD when you can spend almost all that time active in the guard for Basic, then tech school, then seasonal training

>>31825958
>(with promotion rates in the Air Force, I doubt it)
I'm about to make E-7 as soon as I punch out a bit of online schooling, and I came in as a slick sleeve E-1 not even 8 years ago. Tell me again about the terrible promotion rates that the AF has.

>>31825958
With the Coast Guard, you dont really get massive sprawling bases unless its a joint base. What you do get are a ton of smaller boat stations and ports. I don't know about Corpus Christi, but I do know there is one in Galveston (and likely plenty of other places around the Gulf, but I'm from the Northeast and therefore have no idea about specifics in that area). If you're coming from another service, you come in as an E-3 (yeah, sometimes you LOSE rank to join, and people still clamor to get in), unless you have training from your prior branch that directly translates to a rating withing the CG. If thats the case, then you come in under the DEPOT, spend 3 weeks in boot camp (vs. 8 for everyone else), and go directly to the A-School that your training corresponds to. Warrant Officer is really fucking competitive. My recruiter has been in for almost 15 years, has a critical rating, and is only just now starting to put together his packet to start the application process.That being said, a Warrant Officer in the CG has the respect of every puddle pirate on the ship. CWOs are experts in way more than just their title. If you want to tour a base, get ahold of a local recruiter and ask if you can take a tour. How did you do on your ASVAB if you don't mind me asking?

>>31824948
You're a fucking asshole, and part of the problem.

>>31826069

You can find most bases in CONUS like this:

https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/rsl/

And yes, there's not only a CG Sector in CC, they also have a DEERS office.

>>31826060
Bullshit.

>>31824904
Nope. Tell him to fuck off. Wait a month. Go to different recruiter.

>>31825935
> BUT you can get full-time orders as a reservist especially, where you are basically working full time but work for the reserves.
How does that happen?

Do you go to the same schools, get the same training for technical stuff?

Does the same hold true for the National Guard, or no?

> AF doesn't have warrant officers, btw. You'd have to pick a different branch.
I'm well aware.

I wouldn't have a plan to go officer if I didn't know which branches did and didn't had them.

> Some advice for you if you do get in, from someone who has managed to fly below the radar for 8 years of active/reserve duty combined:
Wow, really? Cool.

> keep your mouth shut next time. Especially in a situation like this where your recruiter is RIGHT to tell you that the needs of the AF outweigh your personal needs/wants as an Airman.
Hey, I'm not a boot yet.

Of course I wouldn't act retarded if he actually had any authority over me.

All I'd need is a waiver if I get kicked out of the DEP if I want to try enlisting in the same branch, but aside from that, there's no negatives to getting kicked out of the DEP.

Besides, waivers for that are easy enough to get signed, even in the Air Force.

Right?

> And don't quote youtube videos either. It's better to be a smartass than a dumbass, but that doesn't mean anyone likes a smartass either.
It's not like I wanted to do it, it's just that he called me back and I didn't have enough time to prepare my responses in my head.

>
If you get into any branch, there are times when you're going to find that what you want doesn't matter, because the military as a whole needs something done and it comes first. You might deploy when you don't want to, you might be based somewhere you don't want to, you might be forcibly reclassed. Deal with it, it's the nature of the beast.
Like I said, he doesn't have authority over me yet.

If I get kicked out of DEP, big fucking whoop. I'll just go through the process again, and maybe with a different branch.

>>31826119
Seriously? Here I'll fucking spell it out for you:

Came in as active duty E-1 end of '08.
Got E-2 and E-3 before leaving tech school. Just missed the cut for BTZ and got E-4 in '11. Made E-5 on my first test, pinned on the stripes after almost a whole year waiting end of July '13. Went reserves and kept my rank, got E-6 a year ago. Just got into an E-7 billet a few months ago, and all I need to do is punch out the NCOA test online, which I will have the time to do this winter right when my time in grade requirement is satisfied.

You want the crazy part, the crazy part is that I've never been anyone's rater, have only been a section lead back when I was a Senior Airman, and have only one actual medal on my fruit salad of ribbons. And I'm about to be a Master Sergeant.

But feel free to disbelieve, it won't change my rank at all.

>>31824948
Oh look, a professional liar. Trying to play mind games on fucking /k/ now I see.

>>31826166
This. Recruiters are nobodies under pressure to make quotas. Nothing they say, good or bad, means anything. I had a SSGT who told a story about a kid who chickened out at the last minute, and SSGT V really needed this kid for his numbers that month, so he screwed himself up into a Chesty Puller impersonation and threatened vague, legally meaningless thunderings. The kids' posse fled, the kid started crying, and SSGT V made his quota.

>>31826169
I've seen some pretty crazy waivers signed.

Look dude it's a mindset thing. Get your mindset in the right place before you sign on the dotted line. Don't be one of the chumps that gets kicked out for failure to adapt, that shit would be embarrassing as hell to explain to people back home. Don't rely on basic training to straighten you out because right now things are screwy over at Lackland with the backlash of the scandals, and a lot of airmen are getting to tech school/their first base who are royally pissing off everyone around them with their lack of military bearing and general unprofessionalism.

Weekend warriors like I am now go to the same schools. When I was AD I had a couple Nasty Girls and one reservist in our class. After tech school you can apply for seasoning training where you do the job full time for a while to get experience, it's pretty easy to get. I've done some schooling during my yearly annual tours at active duty bases.

One other thing: if you DO go active duty you can get what is basically a free 2-week vacation back home each year, for a few years after tech school is finished, to help your recruiter do recruitment, which usually means a few hours putting out flyers and then the rest of the day off, but he has to agree to your assistance. If he thinks you're a jackass he won't sign the paper.

OP you don't even need to sign anything for a DEP discharge. You can just tell them to fuck off over the phone and go about your life as normal.

>>31826169
>I wouldn't have a plan to go officer if I didn't know which branches did and didn't had them.
There's a fuck huge difference between warrants and officers. What the fuck do you want to be?

So the best I can make of your grand plan is you want to be some IT schlep, then transfer to the ang to do the same shit on the weekends, then transfer to the army nat'l guard to do an job they don't and will never have, then somehow excel in your job despite total autism levels of interpersonal skills enough to become a warrant.

Is that correct?

>>31824948
2w031? Finish your fucking cdcs tech schooler earn your IYAAYAS.

>>31826069
Cool, I'll definitely try to look more into the Coast Guard.

> How did you do on your ASVAB if you don't mind me asking?
I got a 98 percentile.

Not too shabby. I could've done better.

Some fucker got a 99 on his ASVAB and beat me in a game of chess, twice. Took twice as long for every move he made compared to me, though. If it was a proper tournament, he would've lost.

I could've got him without the time, but it was stupid fucking mistakes that killed me.

I'll upload a picture of my ASVAB if I can find it.

>>31826106
Thanks, man.

What's DEERS?

>>31826345
Okay, don't upload a picture of your ASVAB, there's personal info on there, but good shit. That qualifies you for every job the Guard has to offer. Definitely talk to a recruiter, because with that score, I guarantee one will want to talk to you.

>>31826202
>reserves
You said you were in the AF, not reserves. Completely different. You just got lucky.

>>31826396
>apparently the AF doesn't have reserves anymore
>this thread is teaching me so much

>>31826345
>Some fucker got a 99 on his ASVAB and beat me in a game of chess, twice. Took twice as long for every move he made compared to me, though. If it was a proper tournament, he would've lost.
The ASVAB doesn't properly measure upper levels of intellect. As with most bell curve comparisons, it is most accurate in the middle. Anything above a 90 is basically the same score and needs a different test to properly break out.
>t. 99 on each section ASVAB guy
>Took twice as long for every move he made compared to me, though. If it was a proper tournament, he would've lost. I could've got him without the time, but it was stupid fucking mistakes that killed me.
I used to play competitive chess tournaments. Time is an important factor in every tournament that counts for ranking (aka the only ones that matter). The most common times I've seen are 60 minutes and 90 minutes per person.
>I'll upload a picture of my ASVAB if I can find it.
Nobody cares.

>>31826396
>You said you were in the AF, not reserves. Completely different.
Well that's completely wrong, because as someone who has done both, they aren't. Promotion works slightly differently but time in grade requirements remain the same. It's up to the individual as far as how fast they will promote.
>You just got lucky.
So studying for promotion tests on one's own time and passing the first time is now a matter of luck? You're really reaching here anon. It's not like I got BTZ or awarded a stripe early by the commander. Anyone can do this.

>>31826166
>>31826264
Thanks, you guys. I have hope.

>>31826293
> Look dude it's a mindset thing. Get your mindset in the right place before you sign on the dotted line. Don't be one of the chumps that gets kicked out for failure to adapt, that shit would be embarrassing as hell to explain to people back home.
I'm telling you man, when it comes to the suppression of satisfaction or emotion, I'm better than most.

Thanks for answering the questions.

>>31826296
I know, but I want to see what he'll try to do.

Maybe he'll try to help me out, but probably not.

>>31826307
I want to become a warrant officer in the future.

I just didn't like having to type out warrant officer every sentence. It felt overused.

That's the plan, yes.

Anything wrong with it? I don't know the equivalent MOS to AFSC.

>>31826372
Thanks man, will do.

ASVAB test scores are good for two years, correct?

>>31826467
> The ASVAB doesn't properly measure upper levels of intellect. As with most bell curve comparisons, it is most accurate in the middle. Anything above a 90 is basically the same score and needs a different test to properly break out.
Doesn't mean I can't be bitter about it.

> I used to play competitive chess tournaments. Time is an important factor in every tournament that counts for ranking (aka the only ones that matter). The most common times I've seen are 60 minutes and 90 minutes per person.
Yeah, that was about the length of our games, I think. He took more than two minutes for every move he made, unless I made a stupid mistake.

> Nobody cares.
Well now I just feel bad.

>>31826345
>I'll upload a picture of my ASVAB if I can find it.
Why?

It's not even that big of an accomplishment.

>>31826595
>>31826595
Correct, thankfully. I took mine with a Marine recruiter 8 months prior to talking to the CG recruiter, and was quite thankful I wouldn't have to sit through that bullshit again.

>>31826595
2+ minutes a move is pretty fast by tournament standards.

>>31826533
17 series is the new cyber warfare branch. The guard will never pick up that job.

why do you even want to be , or think you can be a warrant?

From >>31825624 you sound like a fucking neet with no social skills. A nco's job is to manage subordinates and communicate with whoever is above you. A warrant officers job is to use their experience work with brigade or higher leadership in order to ensure the best use of resources the warrant is an expert on.

Both of those require a normal fucking human with the ability to effectively communicate to superiors and subordinates. There's no space for someone who expects more responsibilities for just doing his job ok.

I sincerely hope you're not as much of a loser you sound like.

>>31824904
2a6x6 retired here.

You are kind of whiney, and I say that with respect and love. you would not survive an aircraft maintenance environment because the mentality is to shut the fuck up and do the job until its done. It doesnt matter if finance got a 7 hour day and a cake task. They signed the papers for it. You are busy sitting outside in the cold wet fucking fog, fixing jets for the next 15 hours, to go inside and do IMDS for 2 more hours, to sleep and do it again. You learn to love it, or become an alcoholic.

Two Fucking Alpha. 2A. TWWOOOO ALPHA. Dont do any job that starts with that if you do not like manual labor. Again. No disrespect. I hated my job, but I was also a perfectionist, so I was fucking good at it. Actually, just avoid the number 2 and you are gonna be A-Ok. You can also just go to another recruiter, tell them whats up, and they may be sympathetic, but dont tell your recruiter.

>>31824948
If you dont have electrical generation and environmental systems you have no life support and die, this is a precursor to needing to shit. I suppose IYAGEEYHNLSAD doesnt quite roll off the tongue.

>>31826345

>not knowing what DEERS is

Oh, child. You are in for a wild fucking ride.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Enrollment_Eligibility_Reporting_System
http://www.military.com/benefits/tricare/defense-enrollment-eligibility-reporting-system-deers.html
http://www.tricare.mil/DEERS

>but muh S1 is supposed to do it all for me
>but muh SSG said the DEERS office would do it without any paperwork
>but muh CAC im a super important new contractor why cant i get a CAC with only a crumpled ripped 10-year outdated driver's license from brazil and no signed DD forms whatsoever
>but muh common-law wife has no papers of any kind cuz shes an illegal por favor
>but muh baby has no birth certificate or other papers and will never have them ever cuz i married a crazy woman who believes in witchdoctor home birth no vaccines muh GMOs organic granola sun moon wicca
>but muh muslim divorce with no papers cuz the koran says i can say divorce 3 times and its legal halal no government papers needed
>but muh uncles brothers cousins third college roommate's 50-year old brother-in-law with no disabilities is staying with me i want to add him to my record for tricare and BAH i have no papers because he doesnt have anything after he burned it all to escape the DEA when they raided his drug lab

NO. It is your own responsibility as a sponsor to keep your damn record updated within the required times with the proper DoD-approved paperwork and follow posted ID lab procedures. Otherwise, GTFO and step aside for the guy behind you who who DOES have the correct papers properly in order.

>>31826748
>You are kind of whiney
Glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that.
>he'll fit right in with the current crop of new airmen, sadly

>>31825118
navy aint bad if you get a good rate...FC best rate

>>31825674
>at literally any non-shit job you get to decide what you do and when

You haven't had any actual jobs, have you. I have a fantastic fucking job. I get paid six figures. I get ridiculous benefits. The campus is beautiful. The people are great. I can telecommute at will. The cafeteria has better food at better prices than your better "date night" restaurants. There's even a vending machine where I can swipe my badge to get all the computer accessories I want, no questions asked.

And I still don't get to decide what I do and when. In fact, it's the exact fucking opposite of that. In exchange for being well compensated, and not having a shit job, it's understood that I will do what I was hired to do, exactly when and where and for how long it needs to be done.

That's why it's called a *job*. If you'd ever had one, you'd understand this.

>>31824904
bitch, I had to look for a year to get a job at a grocery store doing manual shit way less interesting and bankable than fixing planes
you're complaining about getting into the fucking chair force straight out of high school but not getting the exact job you want right off the bat? fuck you
>captcha: DOWNS Firebird
you have Downs too you fucker

>>31825624
>Don't misunderstand, though, I'm actually very affable, or would like to think so. I think I talk too much and too deeply about some things sometimes, though, and it just goes over everybody's head.
You sound like me when I was younger-- not 18, more like 11, before I realized how much shit *on the not-purely-intellectual side* was even flying over my head, let alone stopped it and understood it, that took all the way until I was about 14.

>>31825674
please define "a non-shit job"

>>31825674
>at literally any non-shit job you get to decide what you do and when
Hahahahahahahahaahaha no.

>>31824904
>recruiter threatening to drop you
Just go to another recruiter holy shit
>over 18
>going with mommy to the recruiting office
shiggy

Just Go to another recruiter or branch and go alone. And your recruiter can't promise you shit because you chose at Meps anyway. You have a good chance right now though since it's the start of the fiscal year.

>>31826636
Proofs

>>31826653
Alright, cool.

>>31826682
Well shit, I'm a huge faggot then.

>>31826743
> 17 series is the new cyber warfare branch. The guard will never pick up that job.
Okay.

How about the 25 and 35 series?

> why do you even want to be , or think you can be a warrant?
Better pay than an enlisted, less paperwork than an officer. I suppose I actually do my job.

> From >>31825624 you sound like a fucking neet with no social skills.

I couldn't have been, I was in education. And contrary to what you might believe, I do have social skills. I can talk to people, and the reason I talk too much or too deeply is because I love to talk, and I love to educate where I'm knowledgeable. I'm not some debilitated fuck who isn't capable of going outside, and I've had plenty of friends in the past few years. There was just no incentive, and none of my friends have said "hey Anon want to come over?"

Actually, scratch that. The last time I went to a friend's house was two years ago when we had to work on a project. We also had to have a picture of us doing it as well, so there.

> A nco's job is to manage subordinates and communicate with whoever is above you. A warrant officers job is to use their experience work with brigade or higher leadership in order to ensure the best use of resources the warrant is an expert on.
I can do both of those things.

> Both of those require a normal fucking human with the ability to effectively communicate to superiors and subordinates. There's no space for someone who expects more responsibilities for just doing his job ok.
I can do that.

> I sincerely hope you're not as much of a loser you sound like.
I sound like a loser?

I hope so too. My mother telling my I am and that I've done nothing with my life - for the past two years - certainly doesn't help, though.

>>31824904
Join the Marines, they pick your job for you.

>>31824904
I'm a 2a5x1 (crew chief) and I'm fucking glad he is dropping your ass. All I need is another princess bitching about his nails and tranny hormones when there's work to be done. The last year or so has been weird all of the three levels coming in the end of last year have had chips on their shoulders. The kids we just got in the last few months though have been more go getters. I guess they finally filled all the slots they cut three or four years ago so they can be picky again.

>>31826748
> You are kind of whiney,
I'm sorry. How do you think I can improve?

> and I say that with respect and love.
You don't understand just how big those words mean to me. I'm honestly crying right now, I can't believe it.

Thank you, Anon. I love you too.

> you would not survive an aircraft maintenance environment because the mentality is to shut the fuck up and do the job until its done. It doesnt matter if finance got a 7 hour day and a cake task. They signed the papers for it. You are busy sitting outside in the cold wet fucking fog, fixing jets for the next 15 hours, to go inside and do IMDS for 2 more hours, to sleep and do it again. You learn to love it, or become an alcoholic.
I could endure that. I just don't want to have to endure that.

> Two Fucking Alpha. 2A. TWWOOOO ALPHA. Dont do any job that starts with that if you do not like manual labor. Again. No disrespect. I hated my job, but I was also a perfectionist, so I was fucking good at it. Actually, just avoid the number 2 and you are gonna be A-Ok.
Thank you. I suspected as much, thank you for confirming my suspicions.

> You can also just go to another recruiter, tell them whats up, and they may be sympathetic, but dont tell your recruiter.
Will do, thank you.

>>31826753
Thank you. I haven't gone into the military yet, though. I'll keep this in mind.

I'll make sure to stand by and let the guy who has his papers in order if I don't in the future.

>>31826840
What do you want me to do?

How could I improve?

>>31827437
I'll keep that in mind.

What is an FC, and what does an FC do?

>>31827850
> bitch, I had to look for a year to get a job at a grocery store doing manual shit way less interesting and bankable than fixing planes
you're complaining about getting into the fucking chair force straight out of high school but not getting the exact job you want right off the bat? fuck you
No, fuck you.

I'm sorry your life is so shit right now - or was, at least, but that doesn't mean I should have to subject myself to the same hardships when I have options.

>>captcha: DOWNS Firebird
>you have Downs too you fucker
I don't.

>>31828021
I'll take your word for it, but I'm not sure that's the case. I understand the subtext of a conversation and body language as well. Is that what you mean by not-purely-intellectual? In any case, I'll try to be more perceptive in the future.

>>31828220
> Just go to another recruiter holy shit
Alright.

I can do so without having to get kicked out of the DEP, correct?

My mom was my ride and the one who initially wanted me to join.

> Just Go to another recruiter or branch and go alone. And your recruiter can't promise you shit because you chose at Meps anyway. You have a good chance right now though since it's the start of the fiscal year.
Alright. What do you mean by a good chance? What could the recruiter have promised me?

>>31829751
LOLNO

>>31829790
Whatever man. You chose to do that. One of the jobs he offered me was crew chief, and it's not something I wanted to do. I'm willing to wait for a slot that I'm interested in opening up, he's just wasting both his and my time.

If he drops me, I'll enlist again. There's no negatives from being dropped from the DEP except having to get a waiver signed when trying to enlist again in the same service. How does it feel knowing that I'm still going in, faggot?

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>>31829898
>You don't understand just how big those words mean to me. I'm honestly crying right now, I can't believe it.
>Thank you, Anon. I love you too.
Anon, as someone who's already given you worthwhile advice in this thread, I really think you need to mature a bit before you join the military.

>What do you want me to do?
>How could I improve?
Man up a bit. You seem really soft emotionally, and I suspect physically. Have you done a mock military PT test? What are your times/counts like? Are you working on your fitness RIGHT NOW?

As to how a guy stops being whiney... well I'm no psychologist but perhaps every time you have the urge to say, or even to think "this sucks/hurts", instead decide that "this isn't so bad, I can handle this". I don't mean continue doing something that is giving you sharp pain and injuring you, but learn to counter the complaining internally and externally. If you're feeling cold, don't tell people and try to avoid visibly shivering. If you're starting to doze when it isn't time to sleep, don't tell people and focus on being alert. If you're tired during a run, focus on finishing strong and not being the guy who looks like he's dying for air. People respect the guy who displays toughness, and nobody appreciates the guy who is always bitching about little things. Let other guys who are good at humor do the funny complaining, be the guy who doesn't complain unless something is complete and utter bullshit. That includes not complaining when you get assigned cleaning duties or other menial tasks, realize that those things are universal to every AFSC and the lowest ranking people will always do them. People give the AF shit but even AF NCOs won't want to put up with a chronic complainer. Doubly so if they're always asking why they have to do something.

Or do whatever works for you to make it happen, it's just a suggestion since you're asking.

>What is an FC, and what does an FC do?
Fire Control, most likely. Self explanatory.

>>31830213
>My mom was my ride and the one who initially wanted me to join.
Criminey. Get your fucking license, how can you be old enough to enlist and not have that?
>She never made a push for me to get a driver's license - didn't pay for any of the classes offered at school because I didn't "remind her" (reminding her meaning telling her over and over again to do something for days on end and continuing to push back the date of payment - IF you actually get anything, of course - which makes asking her for things a drag)
So get a fucking job and pay for it yourself. If you're good with computers as you have said, you can always find a job, so there's no excuse there.

Anon, serious question: was your father not really a major figure in your life? It seems like he failed in teaching you some of those important man lessons.

>>31824948
Nigga shut the fuck up. We're borderline nonners. And if the fucking boy doesn't want a shitty job for the next 4-6 years then he has every fucking right to decline that job. His recruiter is being a shitlord.

>2W031
>3

Bitch shouldn't you be fucking studying your CDCs?

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>>31829898
Retiree here. Improve yourself mentally.

One. You are not special. Your prior experience is not special. Any skills you have are not special. You will not improve on the process, and you will not be respected until at least after your first deployment or second base. You will be a fucking new guy and will not have respect until then. Its not against you, it is what it is though.

You will be expected to work long hours, and you will be expected to do your job. You are not rewarded for doing your job. Doing your job right, which is the way you are told, and doing it in a fashion that has a sense of urgency, understanding of precision, and being highly motivated with an unbreakable will to do the job right, is expected. not the exception.

Do not seek to stand out. This is not to say that you are not to try. You are to understand your limits. Do not fantasize. Do not dream of glory, or of being the best. You are wasting your mental effort where you could be observing, resting, or training. Do not think on could ofs, or would ofs. Do not think about what you will do after failure while you PT test. Just keep moving forward. control your instincts to breath too much, and realize your body can only saturate so much oxygen.

Do not lament what you think you are loosing. It was all worthless. Everything you think is valuable is shit.

Do: Intelligently ration your will, effort, and energy. Use it where it is needed, not where it is not. Think twice, do once. Think quickly. Take care of yourself first. You cannot care for others if you cant care for yourself. You are not a martyr, you are not a hero.

Do not get caught up with the idea of friends at your workplace. Do not get distracted with rivalry, or feelings. You are a professional, you work with people you hate, and you will do exceptional work, because that is what is expected. You will expect the same from them.

In short. You are going to learn to stop being what you thought a human was. a bitch.

>>31824948

>cucking for a goverment that is replacing you with 3rd worlders and not even getting the job you really want out of it

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>Clinton could win so you could be cucking for her too

*breathes*

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>31826753
DEERS...deers never ends. even after the military.

>>31830240
> Anon, as someone who's already given you worthwhile advice in this thread,
Thank you very much.
> I really think you need to mature a bit before you join the military.
No.

I rarely - if ever - hear "love", and especially "respect" and have it directed towards me.

I apologize for being a little bitch.

> Man up a bit. You seem really soft emotionally, and I suspect physically. Have you done a mock military PT test? What are your times/counts like? Are you working on your fitness RIGHT NOW?
Emotionally soft? Well, I wouldn't say that. I've had to deal with a lot of emotional shit my entire life, and I guess whenever somebody says something as nice as that toward me, I just turn into a big bowl of mush. I don't know. I'll see about working on it.

As for physically soft? Yeah, you'd probably be correct. I'm not nearly as impressive as I used to be, but I'm not a fatass. I haven't taken a mock military PT test, and I don't know what you mean by times/counts. No, I am not working on my fitness right now, but I REALLY should be. What should I do?

> As to how a guy stops being whiney...
Thank you so much for all of that. I'll make sure to try to live by it as best I can.

> Or do whatever works for you to make it happen, it's just a suggestion since you're asking.
Thank you.

Every time I think about how shit my life is, I think about how I could make somebody else's life better, and it's worth it. Whatever though, I don't know.

> Fire Control, most likely. Self explanatory.
Oh, so like a firefighter? Cool.


Sauce on pic? That grill is pretty cute. When was it made?

>>31830425
>Nigga shut the fuck up. We're borderline nonners.
From a different AF POG, thank you. Being called a POG by grunts isn't annoying, that grunt pride is literally all they get out of their service time, but this "nonner" bullshit is just dumb. Crew chief or cook or SP or even fucking finance, we're all POGs and calling another POG a nonner is just grasping at straws as far as trying to feel special.

>>31830259
> Criminey. Get your fucking license, how can you be old enough to enlist and not have that?
I'm working on it. Never needed it until now, and I have everything in order - I just have to take the driving test.

> So get a fucking job and pay for it yourself. If you're good with computers as you have said, you can always find a job, so there's no excuse there.
I wouldn't know where to start. I'm no programmer, either - all I know is hardware.

> Anon, serious question: was your father not really a major figure in your life? It seems like he failed in teaching you some of those important man lessons.
Not as much as he should've been.

I stayed at my father's every winter and summer break, and sometimes spring break.

He tells me to get a degree so I don't have to work my ass off like he is.

I don't know how to fully explain it, I'm sorry. If you want to know more, ask away.

>>31830425
>>31830473
Lol thanks guys.

>>31830443
Fuck you, i got the job i wanted and it was fucking great

>>31830461
>Oh, so like a firefighter? Cool.
No, ship-mounted weapons aiming.

>No, I am not working on my fitness right now, but I REALLY should be. What should I do?
For AF specific, pushups, situps, 1.5 mile run. Youtube how to do a pushup and situp to AF standards. Make sure your waist isn't too fat. These are your bare minimum exercises. You can look up online all the standards expected of you by the time you finish basic training. Pro tip: go into the AF already able to complete these standards. You will be more respected at your unit if you arrive fit and stay in good shape. Many units will give you a day off for exceeding the 90% cutoff on your PT test, and AF policy is you test yearly if you are above 90%, every 6 months otherwise.

Beyond just what the AF demands, go to /fit/ and read the sticky. Lift weights and eat healthy. You'll be more confident, more useful as a person, and more resistant to things that would kill you. It honestly helps you man up. By the way if you are hitting the gym, don't look down your nose at buff dudes hitting the weights, and don't be scared of them either. I see that a lot among intellectual dudes and it's unwarranted bias; those guys are typically quite educated about becoming physically fit and usually are very understanding about helping others improve. The judging is left for those not trying, not for those without the ability. And some of them are major brains too--our buffest guy in my graduating class was also one of the top chess players in the state, amazing at math, and became an aerospace engineer.

>I guess whenever somebody says something as nice as that toward me, I just turn into a big bowl of mush.
Well, don't. Otherwise you'll end up being the fool who marries the first chick who says something nice to him and ends up with a dependapotamus golddigger wife.

>>31830432
This is good advice. Most people don't follow it completely but that is a fine set of goals.

Pic is from nerfnow, a gaming webcomic.

>>31830499
>I'm no programmer, either - all I know is hardware.
Dude that's where there is serious money. Programming pays great too but if you can fix and install hardware, especially networking shit--cat5, phone cables, routers/switches, servers, or hell even printers--you can make serious coin. Hell I've seen guys make a grand a week doing half days of work off of Field Nation alone if their city is big enough, much less what they can do by having their own business.

Course you do need wheels and like $200-300 of tools to get started, but that's really not so hard to do for someone motivated.
>look it up if you want, I've used it myself and it's not a scam, but I'm off for the night

>>31830432
cut myself on that edge

you're a faggot

>>31830589
Not him, but that is literally how to be the perfect soldier.

Whatever you do OP don't be this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrSS058pjWw

>>31830432
Thank you. I don't fully agree with you, but it is somewhat helpful.

>>31830537
> No, ship-mounted weapons aiming.
Oh, that sounds even cooler.

Thanks for the fitness advice. Will do.

> Well, don't. Otherwise you'll end up being the fool who marries the first chick who says something nice to him and ends up with a dependapotamus golddigger wife.
I might be a huge fucking faggot, but I'm not a gullible huge fucking faggot.

Besides, there's no way that they'll be able to meet up with my stringent standards and I won't be interested anyways. Divorce rates and adultery are high in the military, and I don't want to add on or be a part of that statistic. WIZARD FOR LIFE

Any advice with contract marriages? Yes, no?

> This is good advice. Most people don't follow it completely but that is a fine set of goals.
Alright.

> Pic is from nerfnow, a gaming webcomic.
Thanks! I'll look into it.

Is it any good?

>>31830636
>Any advice with contract marriages? Yes, no?
Contract marriages are like volunteering to do things in basic training, which can be summed up thusly:

NO

NO

NEVER

NO

Oh but this time seems like it is the exception? YOU ARE WRONG IT IS NOT

NO

But someone told you otherwise? THEY ARE LYING OR RETARDED

NO

But it really seems like this time might actually be a--STOP STOP STOP NO DO NOT

>>31830571
Awesome!
Thanks a lot, I'll look into it.

>>31830589
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read this.

>>31830611
Maybe so, but just because you're right doesn't mean you're not an edgy faggot.

>>31830624
TOO LATE

No but seriously, I'm not, and probably won't be.

>>31830651
Not even with a male enlisted friend who's trying to achieve the same ends?

>>31826513
Yes. Some old coot died so you all moved up a rank (twice in your lucky case). We know how the reserves work. It's like the real military, but with merit badges and nap time.

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>>31830589
>>31830668
Difficultly and unfamiliarity does not warrant mockery. Your defensive posture is equivalent to an animal rolling over and pissing on itself. When the other party walks away in disgust you declare victory where there was no fight. In short its just you being insecure.

>>31830668
>Not even with a male enlisted friend who's trying to achieve the same ends?
Clearly you weren't reading closely enough.

I made that mistake in basic training, thinking I was clever enough to have found an instance where the rule did not apply. I was wrong, and I paid for it. I even accounted for someone else thinking this in the post. Reread until it clicks.

The goal of basic training is for your MTI to wonder if you were actually in his flight at the end of it because you never stood out. The goal of a contract marriage is to NEVER EVER EVER be in one.

Oh, and last piece of advice before I go: the absolutely worst thing to do in the military is lie (and get caught). I would rather be known as lazy, dumb, pathetic, or hell even as the smelly guy, than be known as a liar. Nothing you do will redeem you if you have that rep.

When in doubt, check what you're doing against the AF core values of Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do. Most shit that will fuck up your career will go against at least one of those. Including contract marriages, see if you can figure out which.

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>>31826202

My nigga


Reserve life is best life

>>31830686
Actually we added positions to the unit because our COCOM decided the work we did was absolutely shit-hot and vital to the active duty mission. Nobody died.

I got more BS ribbons as active duty than as a reservist. A LOT more. More silly reasons for days off too.

>>31830704
Ain't that the truth. It was like a stick got pulled out of everyone's ass and they were free to be decent people again.

It was like

Going from AETC to operational AF

It was that good

I liked active duty, but I love the reserves.

>>31826748
Fellow former 2a here shit sucked ass and hated most of everyone got out and went reserves as a 3p actually enjoy being a grass watcher

>>31830712
You got promoted because you sucked so much dick you created a slot. That's impressive.
Anyway, enjoy pretending you're still in the military once a month. If you reminisce about the "old days" enough, the kids might listen to you!

>>31827537
>getting paid off with shitty "benefits" (which fyi they take out of your pay check) to not form a union and restore your rights

lmao non union cucks are the worst

>>31824904
>He kept on talking about "needs of the Air Force" and shit, and I told him that when I get in, I am the Air Force, so my needs matter as well.
I agree with your attempting to get a job you're qualified for. But this line paints you as a child. Before you say things like this, think.

>>31830720
We're you based at bro? Buckley here like it pretty well the 5 months I've been in I should be doing my ALS by correspondence just been a lazy nig but apparently my unit is desperate for new NCOs

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>>31830728
This active cuck is mad

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>>31824904
>I am incapable of making my own decisions
If you're seriously considering to willingly enlist in any branch of the US Military, in 2016, you've already proven you're not.

ALL US SOLDIERS ARE FELONS BY DEFAULT. THE ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. PLEASE STOP BEING SUCH STUPID FUCKING PRICKS AND SELLING YOURSELVES SO COMPLETELY FOR SO LITTLE.

>>31830728
Better yet, people higher up the chain of command did all the sucking and I got all the benefit!
So much salt from you tonight, you realize you can talk to a reserve recruiter yourself and also share this bliss don't you? As long as you didn't just sign a 6-year active duty term or something, please tell me you weren't that easily tricked. Please no, you can even be a Green Beret in the reserves if you want and just train 2/3 of every month without any bullshit to do.

>>31830769
I'm up in the Midwest but no need to say more because I've said enough to get doxxed if I give a base. Seriously channers are the most insanely skilled skip tracers I've ever seen, some of the caps I've seen of them finding people are just nuts with not only that they found the person at all but how fast they accomplished it.

Enjoy your time as an E-4, it is the most fun rank to be in all of the AF unless you have a line number, even though the extra pay should make you finish ALS before your AT.

>>31830798
The navy is in the Constitution. Only the army and air force are criminals :^)

>>31830736
>having money taken from your paycheck to give to an organization that actively is against your core beliefs

I say this as a union "member", fuck unions.

>>31827537
people like you are simultaneously why Unions need to exist and proof of why the H-1B visa needs to assrape the wages of your field
>too cucked to quit
>simultaneously unhappy with your effective wage and benefits
>in a "stem" field
>IE one that can be populated near exclusively with cheap chinks and muzzies
>REEE MUH VENDING MACHINES I AM THIS COMPANY REEEEE

>>31830736
Dude I would take that job in a heartbeat. What could a union possibly give that guy? 6 figures and telecommute at will alone make that top-tier. The union isn't going to get him better pay or better conditions, and unions have never changed that he will have to do what he was hired to do, or when to do it.

Plus he doesn't have to pay union dues. Much less watch the money fund antigunner politicians.

But really, in my case it's more like

>relying on others to pay you a wage
>lmao people who don't own their own company are the worst

>>31830695
Cheer up, emo kid.

>>31830703
Fine, I won't do it.

>>31830759
Couldn't think of anything better at the time, heard it in a Jewtube video and decided to use it.

It was a mistake, I see that now.

>>31830798
And what would you rather have me do?

I could apply for FAFSA and use the benefits of the Hazelwood act for schooling, if that's what you're proposing.

>>31830806
Been an E-4 for a little while even I feel like it's time for me to promote especially since mostly everyone In my unit is e-4 and where are getting a shit ton of fresh new people

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>>31827537
Autoworker here - we get to choose our assignments based on seniority.

The actual day to day tasks are at management's discretion (within reason), but outside of a manpower emergency, I get to stay with my machines and off the assembly line.

I'm about to get an apprenticeship too and get a journeyman's card. Life is good.

>>31830814
>>IE one that can be populated near exclusively with cheap chinks and muzzies
top fucking kek

CS major here, I've worked with currys before and they are utterly worthless, they work cheap but deliver junk that breaks

And companies still employ them then hire burgers and euros to fix the garbage code they made

Costing them just as much or more in the long run, but I see it happen time and again

>>31824904
>took my mom
Holy shit!!!!! STAY OUT OF THE MILIYARY WE DONT WANT OR NEED YOU!!!!!
>my mommy said.,,,
NOONE CARES!!!!

Looking through this thread I see thst OPis a shit bag waiting to happen. Its one thing to wait or hold out till youget the job you want,but OP took it to a whole other level.
>muh research
AND? Your recruiter told you what the Airforce has to offer now. It sounds like he bent over backwards for you and your still being a little shit about it. Fuck you.

>>31830806
I'm not dumb enough to reenlist for the bonus they're offering me. That also means I'm definitely not dumb enough to switch over to Military Lite.

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>>31830906
I saw a reservist MSgt fuck up literally everything he did while I was deployed. They don't even try. Might as well be CAP.

>>31830922
Plenty of fuck ups in active duty too mane

>>31830890
Stay mad kid, I'm going in whether you like it or not.

>>31825169
They would've just kicked you out of they found out you dingus.

>>31829898
Depending on the type of fc and system we can do a bunch of different things ..I'm on the nssms so look that up

>>31824904
Should've gotten a degree and attempted OTS, OP

>>31830240
There is a difference between being whiney and not signing up to do a shitty job that you don't want to do when you have the option to do a job that you do want to do and you'll have to do no matter what for the next few years.

>>31824948
Is this what it sounds like, when people do not advocate for themselves and later regret it?

>>31830499
>He tells me to get a degree

Listen to your father. I wanted to go military too but my family begged me to get a degree first. I said no fuck that, uni is just four more years of school and I hated school. But I changed my mind and took engineering and I frikking love it.
There's loads of time to join the air force and if it doesn't work out you can just hop effortlessly into a civilian job with a nice fat paycheck.

>>31824904
Don't be bullied into signing up for a job you don't like/want OP.
Fuck the haters, just try again next time. Also, don't sign anything.

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>>31830838
2 curries and one harried american CS major working for 50% the pay of a current worker to fix thier shit code can work cheaper and accomplish more than 1 american CS wageslave
>costs more in the long run
KEK your quality of employment =/= it costs the company more. if it wasn't cheaper to have pajeet do it and you to fix it, they'd have you do it right the first time.

>>31832094
You really are assuming dedication to quality metrics that lead to the rise of actually having a effective cost/benefit analysis is a directive understood and upheld at all levels of management.

Go on about how a low up front price tag that gets the project manager a promotion which leads to him being poached by the firm across the way is understood to be cost effective when the deliverables start coming in later and have to be reworked.

>>31832182
how does what you just wrote in your world mean pajeet does not get your job because on paper 3 of them will work for 1/4 of the wage and cobble together the same product as one hotshit fresh minted muhstem CS major?

>>31832094
>>31832243
I work as a freelance coder and get paid even more to unfuck Pajeet programs than I would charging to write the thing from scratch. It only makes sense, because it takes longer to unfuck bad code than to write new code. This is after the company who wants the program has already been working with the Pajeet company and paying them and banging their heads against the wall from having to communicate with Pajeet company.

What's also common is small businesses seeing my rate for the coding they want, then seeing Pajeet's rate, going with Pajeet, and after getting their junk program/website and realizing they just wasted all the money they spent, deciding that all online freelancers are a scam.
>no fucker it's the equivalent of having your friend's inbred cousin work on your car instead of an auto shop to save a few bucks and then claiming all mechanics are hacks when it inevitably was terrible work

FUCK OFF NONNER REEEEEEEEEE
NONNERS GET OUT

>>31830213
Christmas crackers, kid, have you had a job before? Do you stand out in any way beyond a high ASVAB score? Do you have actual expertise in anything? If not, why do you expect anything more than grunt work for your first job ever, or even your first job in this industry?
That's the point I was trying to make, along with how you should gain some perspective and some humility.

jesus fuck
why the fuck are you fuckers even wasting time on this twink

>>31834027
Shut up POG, we hate all of you POGs equally. You all equally worthless.

>>31834081
I feel bad for him.

>"Pity? Pity is what stayed Bilbo's hand."

>>31824904
>I'm not being a dick, am I?
based on the fact that you've come here, to 4chan to bithc about this, i'd say YES you are being a dick. or, honestly more of a cunt.

Joining the military is only worth it if you are too lazy to get the skills for a real job. The military is decent for their benefits and it extends to family too. The navy is probably the easiest of them all as in the least likely you will die while in service. Even in AF you aren't safe as you gotta fight aliens. If you have watched Stargate you would know all about that.

>>31834027
Lol get mad kid
You're just as POG as the rest of us

>>31834059
Fuck off, man. Why should I have to settle if I meet the qualifications?

Why should I have to subject myself to years of labor that I can't get out of?

As unqualified and inexperienced as I am, I can guarantee you that there's somebody else who's more retarded, more unqualified, and possibly even more inexperienced than I am before the got into same prospective job(s) that I'm shooting for.

>>31834081
> twink
Wow, you really think so?

>>31834116
Well, thanks, I guess.

>>31834306
Although those may be potentially negative traits, if I DO have them - as you say I do - then I definitely have what it takes to be in a administrative position of some sort, and I can definitely see my career taking off in Ausfailia.

>>31834538
I never watched StarGate, but I know a lot about it.

How would you rate the movie(s) and the respective series?

>>31830454

Tell me about it, especially now that the goddamn VA is using it for eBenefits account creation. Oh god, the VA.

>thank you for calling the Department of Veterans Affairs
>we cannot take your call right now
>or ever
>goodbye
>dialtone

>>31830798
>censored face
>uncensored goat penetrator

>>31827437
Fellow FC here, system?

>>31835739
I'm not saying you should take a worse job in the air force, I'm saying you shouldn't expect a better one, and I'm saying you probably don't meet qualifications.

>>31836822
> I'm not saying you should take a worse job in the air force, I'm saying you shouldn't expect a better one, and I'm saying you probably don't meet qualifications.
Oh?

And what may those be?

>>31824904
Fuck your recruiter you did research like everyone else. Just join a different branch or go to a different recruiter or just wait till the next fiscal year.

>>31838215
This fiscal year started this month. Just go air national . You can even look at job opening at each location. goang.com

>>31838215
>>31838650
Thank you so much, guys.

I initially swore in as Air Force active duty, is it possible to switch to National Guard without being kicked out of the DEP?