Alright /k/, I want to build my own scout rifle. Should I go

>>31821043
.30-06 is useful for hunting only
.308 can target shoot AND hunt

>>31821043
.30-06 is more expensive than surplus 7.62mm for negligible increase in performance. Also, why a scout style rifle? There are now scopes that you can mount with sensible eye relief that offer high and low magnification.

>>31821043
>scout rifle
Just get a.308. Cheaper and you will never actually use the extra ballistic potential.

>>31821043
Define build. Are you actually starting from a bare receiver or are you just putting a package together?

>>31821043
30-06 is only slightly better and makes you use a long action, plus more expense per shot, and more recoil, so you won't as many rounds.

1. Define your definition of scout rifle. Cooper's vision entirely? Everything but the scout scope? A general purpose or practical rifle ala Cain? Lay it out for us.

After that I'd love to help.

>>31821043
308. A short action will be lighter and you don't lose much velocity.

>>31821078
>why a scout rifle?
Californian, an AR is barely worth it now

What I want is to kind of follow the scout rifle definition, so depending on what works best for me I'll change out scopes and other details.

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>>31821088
If I had a mill I'd be doing it from scratch.
Thinking about buying a savage axis or a Remington 715 and making a custom stock for it.
One day I will actually build my own scout, just don't have the tools today.

>>31821108
Probably closer to cain's practical rifle rules.
Sorry I just kinda defaulted to scout rifle.

>>31821123
Alright. Id lean to 308 because at the ranges you are shooting (0-400yd) there's no upside to 30-06. The scout optic will be the deciding factor here.

Option 1: full scout. Buy a Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, or Steyr scout model. By far the easiest way to get that long eye relief option.

Option 2: everything but with modern optic. This is tougher. If you must have open sights, your choices are tikka t3 battue (oop), mossberg MVP, or any number of rifles with gunsmithed sights.

Option 3: a light rifle with no sights. Too many options to list. I'll post a screen cap of my excel spreadsheet later. Tikka compact lite, Winchester 70 compact, savage 11 trophy hunter youth or adult, mossberg MVP predator, and a ton others.

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>>31821043
Ok OP. I'm >>31821174 .

This chart is by no means complete. If you find errors or wish to add please by the love of god speak up. I'm using this to build a "practical rifle" of my own. My definition:

- Loaded weight of under 8lbs.
- 39 inches overall length
- Handy and compact
- Modern low power illuminated optic. 1-4 or 1-6x. 1-8x possible. See AR optics.
- Secondary sights preferred, either open sights or small red dot on QD mount.
- A Rhodesian or Ching sling. Want to learn how to use it properly.
- .308 caliber for flexibility and commonality.
- accurate from 0-400yds.
- Detachable Box Magazine of at least 5 rounds.

This isn't a precision rifle per se...its a flexible platform that can do anything...a General Purpose Rifle.

CDI precision gunworks inlets and makes bottom metal mag conversions and is fairly inexpensive...opens more options up to us.

M1a

>>31821466
this, having said that I don't know legality of this in california

>>31821515
Brings up something I've been wondering. Is an M1A more of a scout rifle, or a battle rifle?

>>31821515
M1A is legal in California so long as you use ten round mags. God bless traditional stocks.

>>31821630
"Yes." The full length is a battle rifle, the M1A Scout Squad is a scout rifle complete with scout rail, and the M1A SOCOM 16" is a meme.

>>31821123
Do what i did.
>Rem 700 heavy
>mcmillan hunters edge stock
>barrel 16in
>30-06(went with this only because its gun panic proof)
>receiver scope mount and folding leaf iron sights(tritium paint)
>6x swfa scope(fiddling with a scope power and focal planes is retarded for this kind of rifle)
>cheap rings(i think their talleys or weavers)
>dirt cheap sling(3 point ching slings are a gimmick, 2 point works just the same)
>aics mags(usually use the 5 rnd, but carry 10rnd in my imaginary loadout)
>weight with scope came out to 7.6lbs

I probably could have lost 1 lbs if i went featherweight barrel, but the heavy was on sale.

When putting it together the hardest part was deciding what iron sights to use. I wanted a peep, but then i would have to get a scout rail which is gay as shit. I found a dude who does pop up peeps in the rails but he never responded to messages so that was out. Since i decided on a 6x instead of a 1-4x or 3-9x i figured i wont be using iron sights much so i put a lead folder mid barrel and a masters folder in front. I actually prefer single power scopes because you dont have to mess with different powers having different zeros, and they are easier to look through than variable powered scopes.

I went with 30-06 over 308 because here in california during 2012-13 gun panic, 308 was non existant. And i ended up shooting alot of 30-06 that year because of how easy it was to go to big 5 and pick some up.

My build isnt exactly a coopers scout, i think the only things i skipped were stripper clip use, ching sling, and weight.

>>31821690
interesting build. The panic-proof ammo is the only reason I can think of to go 30-06 . And you made the cooper rifle weight: 7.7lbs max unloaded.

>>31821754
I think the weight requirement was WITH mag loaded.

But ya, considering what happened that year, i almost wasnt able to do my weekly range trips. No 9, no 45, no 556, no 762, no 22. I happened to buy a brand new 226 at the time and i was paying about 40-50$ for a box of 20 hydrashock defense rounds, once a month. Ive been to EVERY gun store from Monterey, north to Redding. And ocassionally i would drop by south to simi valley since that town has 3 guns stores that always have nice vintage guns.

I just bought a shit ton of ammo from laxammo last week because i know theres gonna be panic buying in the next week.

2k rounds of 9mm 147gr HP, 45acp 230gr HP, 233 55gr fmj-bt. They are reloads from their factory, which in my experience are better than white box and cleaner.

>>31821656
Bretty sure it has to have a comp/muzzle brake or plain muzzle instead of flash hider as well

Same goes for the mini 14/30, Ares SCR, and m1 carbine

>>31821690
>Different powers having different zeroes

I think I understand what you're trying to say but that is a problem for second focal plane scopes not first focal plane scopes

If I were to do a scout rifle build I'd probably go for a low mag scope like a 1-6X or 2-12X first focal plane scope and leave it at the low mag and just temporarily increase mag when needed. I think .30-06 is fine and it does have a performance benefit over .308 because there are hot loads with heavier bullet weights but if you are going with a 16" barrel it probably negates the benefit

If I were to do a bolt action scout rifle build I'd probably go .308 (.260 rem and other short action cartridges would be OK but more expensive), build it from a tikka t3x, use a scope like mentioned above, probably not even have irons on it, and if I lived in a profunz state and was willing to deal with the hassle get a tax stamp for a suppressor. In reality there would be very little building, it would basically be buying a t3x tactical or something similar.

>>31821876
"...An unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3 kg (6.6 lb); with 3.5 kilograms (7.7 pounds) the maximum acceptable."

Wikipedia for scout rifle.

And I feel your pain on the ammo shortages. I live in WI and only own .22, 9mm, .223 and .308 guns. I stockpiled slowly in the last two years because I knew election years are rough. My current goal is to keep a buffer of 1000 rounds in those 4 calibers...rotate out FIFO style. I'm worried about the ability to buy large amounts of ammo online next year...

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>Alright /k/, I want to build my own meme rifle
How about you stick it up your ass instead and pull the fuckin trigger!

>>31821947
How about you leave /k/?

>>31821054
Shit man what have I been doing for all these years using 30.06 to target shoot. If .308 works better I will get all my guns rebarreled

>>31821690
post a pic of the rifle faggot

>>31821917
I didnt get 30-06 for the slightly better performance. Got it cause its panic proof. At about 16inch barrel 308 and 30-06 is about the same performance wise.

>>31821054
.30-06 is is slightly better than .308.

.308 really only wins in cost, number of platforms clambering it, and availabilty.

>>31822417
It wins on weight if you're carrying a whole fuckload of ammo, which is why the M14 used it.

>>31823830
You couldn't be more wrong

>>31821078
commercial ammo is the same price, surplus ammo is also the same price. Are you no gunz or do you just make things up?

>>31821977
>cost is not a valid reason to call a certain caliber better over the other
K

>>31821083
.308 does not work well with 180 grains, which by the way is the only weight you shoud be shooting.

>>31824951
?
I'd love to hear a reasoning behind this statement. I always thought the 308 round was designed to replace the older rifle rounds.... smaller, more compact and due to a modernized design you lost no power. The m14 was designed to utilize the 308 purely for those reasons...and it won testing with a hell of a lot of bias and nostalgia for the Garand.

>>31822306
Why not just reload, you either end up with shitty moderately expensive .308 or $1 a round good .308/.30-06 anyways, you can reload this with a Lee loader even and then take advantage of good bullets

>>31821099
30-06 is significantly better, price is the same, and who cares about long action. Its not like it is as long as a .375 HH

Fucking no gunz

>>31821130
What did those start out as?

>>31821466
Full length is the only version without jam problems.

>>31821043
The correct answer is 300WinMag

>>31822306
No performance is very different. comparing .308 to 30-06 is like comparing 7.62x39 to .308

>>31821043
.308 for sure, purely cost and availability.

>>31822417
Cost is the same, so is availability. Are you even trying?

>>31825021
This

Look what this guy does with a 300 win mag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLy3DE6OvI0

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>>31825036
Oh and commonality with any battle rifles you may have.

Real NATO.

>>31825021
Now you are dealing with a price difference of 10 dollars a box.

>>31824979
If you ignore 168gr LR

>>31825042
The only thing the .300 does better is range. It has a 200 yard advantage.

>>31825056
Stop working at McDonalds and join the men

>>31825089
t. I don't shoot very often

>>31825069
I didn't ignore it at all, 180 grain is a much preferred weight, it just doesn't work well with the .308

>>31825071
>we have a memer here, boys.
Energy is carried a lot farther with the 300,
otherwise people wouldn't even use it.
300 at 600m has the same energy as 308 at 300m. It's way more lethal.

>>31825093
t. poorfag
>Get a better job
>Learn to reload

>>31825109
Why suffer a degradation in ballistic performance for 11 grains?

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>>31823830
You're thinking about the event of going to 5.56 from 7.62x51

>>31825133
Lethal? What kind of crack are you smoking? .300 doesn't have any more killing power, it only has more range.

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I really hope those tikka t3x arctic come out soon
Theyre basically the canuck ranger C-19 without the crest

seems pretty scout rifle to me

>>31825133
>Energy is all there is to terminal ballistics
Your not wrong that the WM is more lethal, but bone up on your reasoning

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>>31825284

>>31825042
Damn, those boars got fucked the fuck right up. Every single one just drops dead instantly.

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>>31825089
I love it when people call me out. I probably have about 50K in firearms and ammo laying around here. There are few guns that I haven't owned at one point in time. I buy and sell a lot.

30-06 is by far the better choice for cost and performance on game. Are you only punching paper?

>>31825183
What ballistic performance? Ballistic coefficient, sectional density, joules of energy.

168 is a paper puncher, I even used 180
30-06 on a cow buffalo before. I would never do that with a .308 168

>>31825309
.223 will do the same time.

>>31825320
what's the bolt action on the left?

>>31825320
Stop having a small dick

>>31825368
168gr is the standard long range loading, 180gr is really only useful for game larger than a cow. I'll take the 168gr with it's increased accuracy.

>>31825428
That is a Ruger Guide gun at a cursory glance.
>>31825320
What caliber is that Guide gun of your's there Anon?

>>31825789
Yes ruger guide gun 30-06 :) I really like it a lot. Recoils about the same as a .243

I would like to get another one in .375 ruger

>>31825611
Ha Ha Ha, increased accuracy? Its all in the shooter. Do you prefer a mechanical lead pencil vs a standard pencil because of its increased spelling accuracy?

>>31825009
mosin nagant

>>31825320

Dude, when someone called into question your manhood you posted a picture of a bunch of your guns and some cash you have lying around.

Lets be real here. I'm not out to get you but this really makes you look small.

This is the internet, so who gives a shit, but in life, just rise above that shit and trust yourself.

>>31825284
>>31825295
I hope they use a different color laminate instead of the meme-orange from the sporter model

>>31825927
It's also rumored to be about 3k

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>>31825923
Why do you think this makes me look small? Firearms just happen to be one of my hobbies, I have several other hobbies.

Are you jealous?

I am the nicest guy in the world that always tries to help others in need.

Shit, you would really be jealous on my porn star modeling hobby.

>>31825996
think I saw that on TFB but didn't believe it as even the sporter model and tactical model which have similarities are no more than $1500 and $1000 respectively

a regular non-orange model with a 3rd party stock/chassis would be significantly cheaper

>>31826009
Not the anon you were responding to, but godamn do you seem insecure.

>>31825109
>>31824979
Rifling twist dictates which weights work well, not caliber.

If you want a specific weight, use a specific twist.

tl;dr You're an idiot, and the only people dumber than you are those who heed your """advice."""

>>31826009
>All look, no touch

This is why strip clubs are a turnoff for me.

>>31821043
.308 is superior at target shooting due to its better consistency. If you'd like evidence, I'd suggest reading a little bit about the cartridge and how it became popular.

>>31825874
Mechanical pencils are preferred for increased physical accuracy while writing. Much like 168gr being preferred to 180gr. for increased ballistic accuracy. Just put it in easy to understand SAT format and you can see where your analogy falls apart:

168gr. is to shooting as
mechanical pencils are to...

writing

>>31826404
pretty sure what you're saying makes no sense given that the heavier .308 cal bullets by definition have better sectional density so a 180 gr should be better than a 168 gr likewise a 225 gr should be better than a 180 gr if you can load it properly

>>31826518
You may be pretty sure, but I can tell you that you're confused. 225gr out of 1:11 or 1:12 barrel (standard for 7.62NATO) is going to keyhole

>>31826108
Work well for what? Stabilization? You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I never once stated anything abou rifiling? have you ever rifled a barrel before anon, I have.

I would never use a 168 for hunting, plain and simple. Shit the new .30 hornaday eld-x 212 grain have a B.C. of 663, that's getting close to a .338 lapua

>>31826531
you're overestimating the importance of twist rate, friendo

>>31826629
Read this man's post until again and again.
>>31826108

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>>31826009

>>31825320
>>31826009
thank you for making me feel better about my life

>custom scout rifle
>not a controlled feed action

Set yourself on fire.

>>31821043
Use .30-06 unless you're very poor and the price difference really matters to you.

>>31826951
Why the hardcore fuddy-aught-six shilling?

>>31826983
There's literally no advantage of .308 over .30-06 except for the price.

>>31825875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dE_tknOgk

>>31821054
>30-06 is useful for hunting only
16 million dead WWII and Korea vets would disagree

>>31827079
...and weight...and better follow up due to shorter action and milder recoil.... and much more common modern semiauto 308 platforms...

But yeah. 308 sucks. That's why no one uses it.

>>31828115
The weight difference is negligible; it is like saying a .38 special saves you weight over a .357 Magnum, it is true but is that really the key difference?

.30-06 can always be loaded down to levels more in line with .308 but .308 can never approach the level of hot .30-06

Compatibility with other platforms is a fair point but the other two things? I don't give a flying heck

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>>31827595
Exactly! We hunted their military to neer extinction!

>>31828257
it matters if you're carrying 200 rounds

how retarded are you?

>>31821043
I think that .308 is a good balance between stopping power and recoil management. Also, .308 ammo is usually a bit cheaper than 30-06

>>31829242
You sound upset, senpai

I'm seeing 800 joules of extra energy for sellier and bellot 308 vs 3006 in 180 grain. Both ammo costs the same. The specs are on their website.
>roughly 3200 joules for 308
>roughly 4000 joules for 3006

The truth is, once you go 180 grain and beyond, the old 3006 significantly overpowers the 308.

It is true that milsurp 308 is cheaper than target load 3006 but 308 fags will have you believe that the old 3006 is inferior to the 308 in almost every quality. This is not true.

>3006 recoil hurts :'(
Lol do these people actually own a 3006 rifle? The recoil is nothing. The devastating part is the piercing sound that deafens you when you hunt but the 308 makes a similar amount of noise.

>>31831098
.30-06 (and any comparable caliber) does hurt when youre using 50-100 rounds of it on the same trip, especially with milsurp rifles that have metal buttplates. my whole shoulder bruises when i take my 1903a1 and no4 mk1 out on the same day.

>>31831087
Hornady sst super performance 165gr in each load, the difference between .308 and '06 is 120fps.

This about the velocity loss in 50m

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Hijacking thread for a quick question.
First "real" raifu being bought for me soon, will be used for big game hunting (moose, bear, boar) inna scandiwoods. Got my mind set on a BAR in . 308 for practical reasons (unlimited free ammo). Yay or nay?
>pic related, shot it two weeks back with a borrowed Varberger 30-06

>>31831180
Fair warning: 398 is not rated for brown bear

>>31821043
Noguns here, whats the difference between a scout rifle and a sniper rifle? Is there any? The nomenclature alswys confused me

>>31825874
>Do you prefer a mechanical lead pencil vs a standard pencil because of its increased spelling accuracy?
Mechanical pencils are actually preferred in technical drawing because of their increased precision and consistency.

Way to prove him right, retard.

>>31831221
Warning, in scandi 6,5x55 is rated for brown bear. It all depends on the shooter.

>>31831250
>>sniper rifle

Oh boy, here comes the autism

>>31831338
Do it, im ready

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Why does it seem like there exist exactly zero commercial bolt action rifles that has the ability to be loaded via stripper clips? Not even the rifles made purposely to fit into the criteria of scout rifle can use stripper clips.

>>31825875
That's a factory built TOZ-106, a shotgun.

>>31825273
I mean, I get that you're trolling. You have to be. How can someone come to /k/ and not understand how foot lbs affects the effectiveness of a cartridge. Go back to /lgbt/

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>>31824992
You're calling me no gunz, but everything you said is either factually wrong or subjective opinion. Let's break it down retard-
>30-06 is significantly better
In what way? Militarily it's overkill, which is why it's been totally replaced. Hunting it's still overkill for 99% of north America.
> price is the same
No. It isn't. There is practically no surplus 30-06, and I buy .308 for an average of .50 cpr. >and who cares about long action. Its not like it is as long as a .375 HH
It adds weight unnecessarily. Fuckwit
>Fucking no gunz
That's where you're wrong again kiddo

>>31826009
>>31825320
You need Jesus. But it's obvious you don't know shit about what your talking about and don't work at McDonalds. Cartel? Daddy's money? Extreme self-importance issues. Go get counseling.

>>31831511
Ft/lbs is an expression of energy.
It's not really translatable directly to terminal ballistics. It is a close approximation though
It's a shit way for handgun rounds to be rated though

>>31831573
Ft/lbs is directly translatable into lethality, though. Upon impact, how much energy is available for transfer.
There is a reason why the Army made the XM2010.

>>31831524

>Peanut butter in the shot

butwhy.jpg

>>31831642
lube for the hot pepper suppositories, duh

>>31831642
God dang it, I just set it on my kitchen counter to take a quick pic of it.

>>31831524
>$0.005 per round
That's pretty cheap.

>>31832295
I guess the period was superfluous. You got me there

>>31831560
Actually mostly I fix CNC equipment, I make between 5 to ten thousand a week..

>>31832868

Christ, give us the vacation slideshow next.

>>31831524
If you think 30-06 is overkill for hunting, you have clearly never shot deer sized or larger game before. Your just a paper puncher aren't you. Shot a few paper plates and soda cans in your day?

Surplus .308 and 30-06 is all the same price at 50 cents a round unless you find surplus black tip.

If you go to walmart .308 and 30-06 is the same price there also. 18 dollars a box, remington or winchester, or whatever makes no difference.

You also don't understand why most people will argue for a shorter action than a long action. It really isn't about the weight but the length of travel when operating a bolt fuckwit.

Do you even know what the weight difference is between a .308 and 30-06 length action?

Jesus christ, ar15 pistol has to be the most retarded firearm ever. Just get a regular ar15 or a short barrel rifle.

>>31833002
which country?

>>31832868
>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>HOLYSHIT THIS IS PERFECT LOLOLOLOL
I work for CMS Italy. We build CNC machines and do maintenance after sale. You are a fucking liar..on the internet. This is fantastic.

There is no way you make 5-10k a week. Not just doing CNC maintenance. Most factories hire people for that or have corporations on contract. Bushmaster, Remington, Salleys Gear, Mitsubishi, etc. If you make 5-10k a week, Hilary is winning the presidency, We're going to put people on Mars next year.

>INB4 The photoshop panic becomes real.

>>31833678
That's not funny. Shillary probably will be president just cause trump keeps fucking up

>>31833063
Everything you stated was either opinion or again, just plain wrong. As for the AR pistol, I built the lower as that because you can go back and forth as long as it was a pistol first. You're being pedantic and a twat. You're Australian aren't you?

>>31833928
Most evidence would suggest Trump has been in the lead for months.

The only evidence against Trump is polls and most polls, including Fox news, oversample democrats by at least 25%.

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>>31830978
stale meme

>>31831373
>Stripper clips in 2016

Now that magpul has cheap AI mags just use those

your rifle should rightfully start life as a mosin that has been rechambered in 45-70

>>31821515
>>31821656
I know I'm late to the party, but M1As are NOT legal in California new. They have a flash suppressor. And on the box it has a big sticker thats says "NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA." However, if you find one with the flash suppressor switched out for a muzzle brake, it should be fine.

That is unless they changed the law in the past month. At this point, I wouldn't doubt it.

>>31824975
Not for target shooting. If you aren't reloading, you're doing it wrong.
>or only shooting at 100 yards.
>which is doing it wrong.

>>31829242
You're still talking about less than two pounds difference in weight.

>>31837900
> he still measures distance in yards not meters
Plebs are really getting bold now a days

>>31821043
IF another AWB were to get passed "military calibers" might be a thing that they look to ban.
(Despite both cartridges being used in war)

30-06 could be the safer bet in this scenario as it's the universal fudd round and thus would have more of a backlash.

>>31834577
>>Stripper clips in 2016
>much smaller and more compact than a box mag
>less than half the weight of a box mag
>can carry much more ammo on person via stripper clips than via box mags

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>>31833678
I just don't do maintenance, although I have preventative maintenance contracts with nearly all my customers.

I specialize in emergency repair. When someone need a new spindle real quick, or when a manufacturer doesn't want to pay the 200 dollars an hour that productivity or another entity charges they call me.

Italy is a good example, look at the internal components on a bar feeder for a tornos beltcher. A hand made work of Italian art if I must say so.

Vendor doesn't want to pay ridiculous prices for the internal guide fingers that are hand cast as a single unit with a 6 month lead time, so the hire me to come up with a solution that works right then and there.

Not every company has maintenance people that can to repairs on this level.

My rate is 125 an hour and I am my own repair corporation, there are many weeks that I make 10K.

And your calling me a lair, you really don't know who your competitors are and you really don't know how the business works.

I even kept the same note card just for you.

>>31833928
Lets hope with the new FBI investigation that something turns up that they could charge her with.

>>31833963
You know that all semi automatics are banned in Australia. Per my picture did you notice some of the semi auto handguns and rifles.

What was plain wrong. Feel free to browse the interwebs to look at ammo prices.

>>31822417
>cost
If you want ammo that isn't shit you'll pay pretty much the same
>number of platforms chambering it
If you have trouble finding a gun you like in .30-06 you may be retarded.
>availability
.308 and 30-06 are both available fucking everywhere.

>>31825320

please stop posting.

>>31831373
Because detachable magazines.

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>>31821043
.308
Cheaper, get's the job done, and opens up your options for mags.

Alternatively, just get a setup ready to go out of the box:
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/87880/tikka-t3x-arctic-stainless-bolt-action-rifle

Red sweatshirt and bottle of Listerine not included.

>>31825996
>>31825927
>>31825295
>>31825284
They're already on the shelf at Cabela's. The cost of the magazines is terrifying.

>>31840723
Oh you mean that thing 90% of all manufactured commercial bolt actions don't have? And even if they do have a detachable magazine they are more often than not proprietary, expensive and low capacity.

>>31840822
That's slowly changing, thankfully. The mossberg MVP line uses common magazines. And if you want to make an older bolt action ai mag compatible (tons of cheaper aftermarket mags) you send your stock to cdi precision and get new bottom metal for 210 plus shipping.im strongly tempted to buy a tikka lite compact or a Winchester 70 compact in 308 and do this.

>>31841464
This post has me so erect I had to punch myself in the stomach and think about Hillary Clinton just to keep from blowing my load

>>31825028
Ehhh it's more like comparing a .30-30 to a .308

>>31840664
If you're able to do that, you're working with some stupid companies.
Before CMS America fell due to Italian fucktards not caring about money, we had emergency crews that went out as apart of the warranty program and people could buy insurance.

And your math doesn't add up. For you to make 10k after taxes, you'd have to work 160 hours a week not including travel. If you're talking about before taxes, you're not really making 10k, you're making closer to 4-6k depending on corporate location and states worked in, and still working 80 hours a week every week. You're also limited on machines you're trained to work on, and which corporation has given you certification. If you work on CMS machines and aren't certified, the company loses the warranty. Put daddy's cash back in the safe and put his documents up.

>>31840812
yet another reason to just get a plain t3x model and use a chassis with AI mags

>>31838370
stripper clips are way harder to load than magazines
polymer mags don't weight that much
yes it is more compact but they're still stripper clips

>>31842265
Chassis systems are heavy though

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>>31842265
AI chassis for T3 is going on my project list

>>31821656
I really want to design a gas operated semi auto rifle in .308 that can meet the same or nearly the same weight requirements. M1a's are just so dam heavy. Scars come close but still alittle over and way too damned expensive

>>31844972
Use rail elimination panels, a 13" bbl, a 10round plastic magazine and youll be light enough for a red dot on it

>>31844997
13" is too short. 16.5 is far more preferable

>>31825042
I would be he would do just as well with 30-06 or 308 as he did with a 300winmag