/akg/ AK General

ARs are the only assault rifle worth owning in the United States.

>>31807290
if you're a girl or homosex, maybe.

/akg/ I need some advice. I want to get an optic for my AK. What's the best thing I should look for that is:

Made for AKs (none of that picatinny rail bullshit)
Looks authentic
Cheap (The cheaper the better)
Would prefer magnified but doesn't have to be
Would prefer a style actually used by some glorious AK wielding country.

I will reward you with (you)s

>>31807377
Kalinka optics

>>31807377
Your best bet would probably be an LPS/TIP2.
They were readily available a few years ago for ~$120 or so, but they seem to have dried up.
So you'll be hunting for one.
Be wary of Ebay, there's a lot of airshit fakes posted as the real deal.

Maybe a PSO/POSP?

>>31807433
Thanks anon those look promising, I'll keep my eye out for one. What's a decent PSO/POSP run for now and are there any I should stay away from?

>>31807468
>What's a decent PSO/POSP run for now and are there any I should stay away from?

I honestly have no idea, sorry.

>I went with a RS mount and waiting for Primary Arms to have a sale to pick up one of their dedicated 7.62x39 optics.

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>>31807263
You guys know what to do.

https://ghostbin.com/paste/ox8pu

>>31807505
>DDI's questionable as fuck shotgun is recommended

D R O P P E D
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>>31807505
Based RK 62 chan

>>31807468
I traded 3 Romanian steel mags, a mag pouch, and two 7.62 bakelites with a fellow Kommando from /akg/ for one recently. So interpret that how you will

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>>31807505
>1500+ $
>Norincos
huh... seems like we got a bit more freedom here in Eurolandia for exchange. You can still get Norinco 56S for less than 400€.

>>31808018
Lurk more faggot

For 1.3k, is an Arsenal SGL 21 a better buy or one of those Atlantic Saiga conversions?

>>31807505
>>31807542
Seriously. Did whoever made that list NOT know how shitty those DDI shotguns are? They are cheap chinese shit, imported by DDI and engraved with their name, and their locking lugs have a bad habit of sheering off while shooting.
They REALLY should be removed from the shotgun section. They are actually dangerous guns.

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>>31807263
why is this allowed?

>>31808413
I guess you're to new to know that it's better than 7.62. It's got way more knockdown stopping power and goes fully semi automatic if you file down the sear pin.

>>31808403
Absolutely

>>31807542
>>31808408
I actually had no idea, I'll change it.
Anything else you guys see?

>>31808403
Yes. Holy shit snatch it up. If you don't hook a nigga up

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>>31807263
add +15% more on it.
People are crazy

>>31808536
>not being willing to pay $152k on a transferable mint Vietnam bring back Type 56
What kind of faggot are you?

Does anyone know if any of the current Tula HP uses 8M3 bullets? I can't find them locally so I have to buy blind.

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>tfw will never have a factory 104
>tfw a faithful copy costs 2k+ in parts

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>>31808403
>For 1.3k, is an Arsenal SGL 21

Apparently that's a $4000 gun so yeah that's a good deal.

>>31807290
have you ever shot or held an AK? It's infinitely more fun

>>31808536
Yeah no, people are rich

>>31808655
dont bother he's just fatniking
>Hillary is cat calling her cucks with "Putin, it's Puuutin"

>>31807290
This is true from a practical standpoint, but AK is the obvious second choice, barring other 5.56 rifles.

>>31808626
mine would be gone RFN if i could get that much for it

>>31809567
If I could get a sucker to pay $4000 for my 21 I'd do it in a minute and then turn around and buy two more

>>31809672
I'd do it but I'd line up the buy first. Availability scares me more than price

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>>31807377
>Would prefer a style actually used by some glorious AK wielding country.
I realize this isn't what you want to hear, but Russian special forces use Western optics all the time.

First question: what kind of AK do you have? We need to know that to tell you what's authentic.

>>31809721
Jesus fuck those rifles are hot

>>31807290
Don't reply to him.

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Someone got a hold of my debit card info so no more PayPal for me until my bank gets it all resolved. It's kind of a blessing and a curse at the same time: I won't be able to buy more AK stuff I don't need but at the same time I won't be able to buy anything.

Eight more true blacks are coming in and half of those are coming from Russia so I've got a nice wait to occupy my time with I guess.

>>31810124
Hopefully an AK-103 non-neutered brake and a push button recoil rod coming from Russia soon

Seller has almost no feedback though

>>31810183
I almost bought a neutered 103 brake yesterday but that's how I knew something was up with my card because PayPal wasn't working, then I tried Amazon and Amazon wasn't working, then I went to buy a candy bar from a gas station down the street to see if my cars would work and it didn't

I'm cond of glad I didn't get the neutered brake though because all it would have done is make me want a non neutered brake and spend more money.

>>31810222
>cond
Kind

>>31810222
You can get the neutered ones repaired

>>31810304
Yeah but that's just more work and it wouldn't be """original"""

I don't know why I like 5.45 brakes so much, they're just neat and the brake on these guns is one of the most iconic military muzzle brakes out there and that just makes them cool to me. They hurt my wallet though.

>>31810183
Is that the dude who posted the recoil rods at like 80 dollars?

>>31810376
And I know 103s aren't 5,45 before someone corrects me, but the brake is the same style

>>31810124
Does your bank not offer some sort of prepaid debit card to where only the amount of cash you put on it is accessible? You should check into it.

>>31810458
these are great for online purchases

So where are some places online that you guys have purchased rifles?

>>31810580
Private sellers off of forums mostly

>>31810386
Yep. They'll probably come down in the future but I'm excited to finally maybe be able to have one. A few different people have gotten multiple of them and sold them here in the past few weeks. It always seems to happen like this.

>>31810376
I feel you

>>31810580
gunbroker, aim surplus, atlantic firearms, classic firearms, legion usa

Ordered two 45rd 5.45 bakes from the files. Can't wait.

nice going edgelords, owning the garbage weapon of our sworn enemies who are currently massacring civilians in Syria and trying to De-legitimize the vital institutions of American Democracy

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>>31810876

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>>31810876
back to /pol/ with you

>>31810858
nice, the ones for 55$ ?

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>>31810876
.02 cents have been deposited to your CTR account

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>>31810876
>muh moderate rebels

Fuck of you cuck

>>31810922
A trump victory would merely indicate Russian meddling in the American election, as anyone with faith in their fellow countrymen would understand, the american people will not under any circumstances elect a racist sex offender as president. Thus any affirmative result for Trump would almost certainly be put on hold while an appropriate response to Russia could be planned.

If a Trump win could be linked to either hacking or voters influenced by Russian-linked propaganda, there would be severe consequences for all involved, either wittingly or unwittingly.

These are things that normal people who live in reality well understand.

>>31810916
Hell yeah. I bought ones with the 29 mold numbers. Much better deal than those on Ebay and Gunbroker.

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>>31810932
definitely, do those have the shields? i cant remember.

>>31810924

Look, its someone more qualified than the joint chiefs of staff and every brave hero in the 18X MOSes.

Right?

Get fucked you pathetic edgy kid

>>31810944
Not exactly sure; I do know they were advertised as molot bakes. Either way, 55$ for an rpk74 bake is a good deal. I'll report back when they come in.

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>>31810951
agreed, they are a bit lighter than my ((10)) and plum 45rnd mags.

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>>31810949

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Wasr. My dirty whore.

>>31810970
I have some east german bakes as well for my 74; They are the lightest bakes I've ever seen.

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>>31810949
>11 trillion + ?
>gone

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>>31810949
>brilliant

BTFO you insecure piddling cuck

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>>31810949
Shouldn't you be clucking harder for your 100% disability rather than shitting up out thread?

>Recently got on a zenitco furniture kick
>want Zenitco folder
>have sam7
>kms

>>31811098
>want a muzzle device
>106CR
>can't have one without SBRing it or permanently attaching ridiculously long muzzle brakes that are expensive and rare
>kms

>>31811156
>buying a 106cr without the intention to SBR it
>kys

>>31811156
>buying a CR model
>without the intention of SBR
Found the error

>>31811156
Why don't you just get a thread protector for the gas block, and thread the end of the barrel as you please...

>>31811156
Dude

So is that russian guy on AKFiles selling rare shit legit? I don't want to burn 100 bucks.

>>31811187
not him, but thatd look goofy as fuck, albeit functional. i would just live with it as is CR anon

>>31811221
Hopefully

>>31811167
>>31811171
>>31811198
I was thinking about it but registering my AK(or any of my firearms) seems so taboo
>>31811187
It comes with a thread protector and I don't think it's possible to simply thread the end of the barrel.

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>>31811266
absolutely it is, whatever pitch you wanted

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>>31811187
then make a flash light mount that threads on to the gas block.

Has anybody seen any stock conversions for sam7s? Now im curious if anybodies done anything with that weird folder mechanism

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>>31810993
my nigga.

Sorry for the potatophone quality but I got a WASR and an AKT trigger. The furniture is my own camo job--FDE base, brown and OD applied over it with a homemade stencil. It's ugly as fuck but it shoots straight and runs like a beast.

>>31811308
thats actually really clever.

>>31811266
You can do whatever you want with the right tools, it's not magic

>>31811343
i think it could work well, or you could just have a small rail on the side of the GB for whatever you want.

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>>31811266
Join the cuck club.

>>31808413

It's one more.

It's like turning it up to 11.

what is the best kinda AK pistol? ballistic standpoint wise
-7.62
-5.45
And what brand?

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>Atlantic doesn't let you hide sold out items because their site would be barren outside of maybe 3 rifles if you did

>>31811306
>>31811343
I know is mechanically possible but pls explain the process? The end is way too thin to accept any device even if it was threaded, so I would have to have a threaded "plug" which would screw onto the end and externally be the same size as the threading on the GB? Sorry, I'm not really well versed in muzzle devices and gunsmithing.

>>31811397
7.62x39
draco has the chromed lined barrel. mine was a neat novelty for a while.

This being the AK general, does anyone know of a source for decent-quality, stockpile-able 7.62x39mm ammo with expanding bullets? First preference is Ulyanovsk 8M3 bullet, second preference is Ulyanovsk 8HP bullet. Want it loaded in cases either lacquered or copper washed, with sealed primers and case necks for long term storage.

Is anybody making anything like this? I know half the steel-case plinking ammo in 7.62x39mm out there has bullets described as hollowpoints, but ballistic gelatin tests show that if it isn't 8M3 or 8HP it can't be depended upon to actually expand. Also lacquered cases and copper-washed cases seem to be totally out of fashion currently, all importers having replaced them with these "poly coat" shit that turns your hands black when you load mags and looks like they may just be dusting bare steel cases with a bit of powdered graphite to help extraction, and the cases seem to rust up real good instantly if anybody so much as looks at them with a teary eye. This ammo is also universally NOT sealed at primers or case necks.

Looking for stockpilable ammo with reliable expanding bullets--no steel-jacketed "softpoints" that don't expand, no gucci Western commercial hunting bullets that are loaded in bare steel cases that aren't lacquered or sealed, and sure as FUCK no dollar-a-pop commercial hunting ammo. Does what I'm looking for exist or do I have to get in the time machine and go back to 1998?

>>31811397
No one commercially sells 5.45 pistols despite 7n6 already being banned.

>>31811405
the end of the barrel ?

>>31811388
its actually just .01 more. so like turning up to 10.01
>but its more than ten, intit?

>>31811414
how can i put a brace on it? or can i do that at all?

>>31811433
easy it just mounts via pistol grip bolt. cups the rear of the receiver.

>>31811405
tat die is a cheap (and frankly, lazy) way of cutting threads onto a barrel. dont get me wrong, it works and ive done two, but i would leave it as it.

>>31811428
Like the tip of the extended barrel on the CR models

>>31810944
An I the only person on here who only likes 40 and 45 rounders on RPKs? They just look goofy on regular AKs.

>>31811455
No. You're not. The only thing goofier is a drum.

The tallest people in the world are people from the Dinaric Alps. The reason that is is because unlike most regions in Europe, when the Dark Ages hit they kept up the diet of both fish, grains and olive oils which kept their which was popular in both Rome and the Roman Army.

>>31811455
have you ever used one?

>>31811444
not to sound like a retard, but is it easy?

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>>31811473
retarded easy, requires flat blade screw driver. 5 mins tops.

>>31811462
>both
>lists three items

>>31811498
ok thanks man

What are some good receiver options for a Romanian akm build? So far I've been looking at Childers and Morrissey.

>>31811368
pls no
>>31811448
rip ok

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>>31811465
No, I don't own an RPK, so I've only got 30 rounders so far. I'll buy a couple of top-loading drums next, just because I think they'll get hard to find, but I have no desire to own any 40s.

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>>31807505
How the fuck do you edit this? The only 5.56 Norinco rifles that are $1500 plus are 84s folders. There are plenty of post bans out there for less than $1000

>>31811521
Recreatorblanks or Childers are good.

>>31811521
Nodak Spud

>>31807428
kek
>order scope from Kalinka
>reticle lighting doesn't work
>return it
>order another scope from Kalinka
>it doesn't fucking fit on an AK even though it was advertised to
>return it

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>No 45 rounders or drums for the Bulgarian 5.56/Polish Beryl magazine pattern

>>31811521
74ULLC

All the ones listed have been back logged for a while.

Except for recreator blanks.

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>>31811561
you dont know what your missing those extra 10rnds of 7.62 really come in handy. Honesty not much heavier.

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>>31811586
not true.

>>31811598
How useful is that, really, without the giggle switch? It also keeps you from being able to take up a proper prone position, unless you can dig out a hole for the pimpalicious xtend-o-clipazine.

>>31810466
Yep, surprised you/ he didn't have one.

>>31810580
>>31810676
>>31810711
This. Also copper customs is another. Never bought from them personally, but it's another option. Also arms list.

>>31811423
Not sure about hollow points but places like sgammo, unammo, and the light have bulk buys. Typically fmj. But might have some HP, they have a lot of options.

>>31811786
>the light
Never heard of this place, and Google isn't helping. Could you clue me in?

>>31811834
can't tell if retarded or just can't read.

Anon means "the like"

>>31810701
I was so close to getting one just because, but I gotta keep my shit in check. Life is truly suffering when you have little budget

>>31810580
Bought my WASR 10 recently from deguns.net for 670 shipped. My esskayess came from classic.

Does anyone here have a lot of experience with the alg akt? Was thinking about getting one to put in a wasr, but I've heard and seen photos in order threads where they have the tails of BCGs mushroom, but I don't remember the context. Thanks in advance

>>31811786
>>31811834
>>31811865
Yep sorry it's a typo, it was supposed to be the like**

>>31811865
>>31811946
Oh, duh. Thanks.

Opap at my local shop new in box owner wants 900 I know they ain't bringing them in anymore.

Gud price?

Got a buddy who got an Opap for 650 shipped back when they were still being brought over.

>>31811967
No, just get an NPAP for 700 or less.

>>31811981
Read opap are superior in almost every way. Except weight, which to some is still a plus.

Read about them being on point with arsenal guns.

>>31812045
How so? They are made in the same factory at Zastava.

Not trying to be rude but just curious.

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>>31812045
>Read about them being on point with arsenal guns
lol

>>31812067
An OPAP has an RPK receiver and barrel trunion, barrel might be heavier too, kinda like the difference between a VEPR and Saiga.

>>31812127
I know, but how does that mean an inherent higher quality?

>>31812090
Irellevent, Arsenal are no longer the benchmark both FIME veprs and C39v2s are better.

>>31811931
Not a lot of experience. I just had one installed to try it.

Trigger pull and reset are no smoother than the well-worn Tapco trigger it replaced but takeup is much shorter, and somewhat lighter. I'm trying to decide whether reset is also significantly shorter.

>>31812135
>C39v2s are better
Hol up, hol up, hol up.

Nigga, what?!

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>>31812135
lol

>>31812154
this.

Century import? mite b good. Built by Century? run away

>>31812154
You ever actually hold one, or did someone you watch on youtube say they are shit?

>>31812176
I don't need to eat dog shit to not like the taste :^)

>>31812187
Nice ignorance, pretty much the exact same as anti-gunners.

>>31812200
Okay, Mr. Smart Man, why is the C39v2 good, compared to a WASR, OPAP, or NPAP?

>>31811342
Where did u source the mag from (40rd?)

>>31812207
To start, having a milled receiver automatically elevates it above WASRs and NPAPs. Next, you have the amazing barrels they ship with; or the concentric threading for suppressors, and amazing triggers.

There is a reason why in over 20,000 rifles, <9 have been returned to the factory on warranty claims.

>>31811331
I been talking myself into getting a sam7 but $1300...eesh. AR prices are going down AK are going up. Go fig.

>>31812207
>Mr. Smart Man
weak ad-hominem
disregarded

>>31812231
>milled vs stamped
Literally subjective.

>Barrels and threads
Maybe.

>Triggers
Replaceable.

>>31812241
ur an fagit

>>31811967
For 900 you could get saiga, Vepr, ddi, or a wasr and lots of ammo, depending on prices in your area.

>>31812262
>I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT POINT
>FINE THAT ONES OK
>I CAN JUST MODIFY MY RIFLE
kek, AK fags will go to extreme lengths to defend buying Slav made guns, instead of just admitting that they care about form over function.

will stamped ak hanguards and grips fit to milled ak rifles or do they require more fitting

>>31812211
it's a Polish steel 30 rounder. Someone at a local gun show this summer was selling them at $130/10 so I bought twenty.

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>>31812283

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ayy lmao

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>>31812309
sex

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>>31812231
>To start, having a milled receiver automatically elevates it above WASRs and NPAPs.

Enjoy your Century heat treatment and Century quality control. Do they even chrome-line the barrels on these?

tfw new AK en route to FFL that only charges $15 for mil

>>31812342
Thanks boo

>>31812348
>le akunion meme
Once again, less than 9 have been sent back to the factory for service, your 'muh heattreating' argument is irrelevant unless you get one of the AKs from their first batch.

>>31807505
>TFW somebody saves your image when with the filename

question: does anyone have any experience with a lot of different AK muzzle devices? Specifically for 7.62x39mm?

I'm looking for a highly effective flash suppressor. I hear that the A2 design is good for 5.56mm and have seen web pages with tests but I have not seen tests of flash suppressors for 7.62x39.

We all know the slant brake/spoon brake traditionally found on AKMs is not very useful for flash suppression. Currently I am using a Tapco copy of the old Russian RPK flash suppressor--it's a short birdcage with five slots. With Russian plinking-grade steelcase 7.62x39mm ammo its performance is fair to good. Are there better? Preferably without long open prongs in front, which tend to collect foreign matter quickly innawoods? Trying to minimize weight and bulk here.

>>31812412
Yeah, when I save stuff with the 4chan app on my phone, it keeps the original filename.

>>31812424
why no prongs? they kill flash.
i use a nightbreak 3 prong 30 cal

>>31812447
he said "which tend to collect foreign matter quickly innawoods" so apparently he often falls and lands muzzle down.

>>31812444
oh, ok

>>31812393
Serbia stronk. Get some wood on that m77 though

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>>31812424
i like these echo93 pieces, used to be $20

>>31812478
If you are going through thick brush the prongs can catch briars and weeds and shit where a birdcage would not.

>>31812500
dubs compel me to ask: do you own one? how well does it work? The machine work looks good in the picture.

>>31812510
this. it's the whole reason birdcage flash suppressors were invented.

>>31812530
Mine is machines quite well, nice finish. The pin tabs all around are a nice feature. 75% hider 25% brake, pretty sure mrgunslinger or some other fag on YouTube reviewed it.

Works well, doesn't look ass on non-tactical AKM

>>31812530
stick a tactical condom over your prongs senpai

>>31812530
http://youtu.be/AhXG5kciwGQ

Like he says, not the most efficient flash hider, but still works well.
>muh form over function

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Where the fuck can I buy a sling swivel that will fit into the slot on an m1964 RPK clubfoot stock?

I've bought two separate sling mounts one new production and one off a Bulgarian 74 and both are too big.

I'm already pissed that the muzzle nut I ordered with the sling mount doesn't fit correctly despite it being the correct thread style.

Anyone know a good bipod for a vepr ?

>>31807263
AK-104 best AK

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>>31807263
my milled type 3 underfolder.

>>31812725
What's with the pins in your FSB?
They look like they're about to fall out or they're way too long.

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>>31812763
they are too long. the front sight was canted and i had to press it off and press it back on straight and use over sized pins witch were to long, i have just been lazy and haven't taken the pins out and trimmed them to size.

>>31807263
Why did they go with a booster cone on the 104?

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Current irrational gunboner: pic related.

It's from DDI. I had been thinking about a build like this for a while, but it's already the way I want, except for maybe cutting 1" or 2" or so off the barrel and pinning and welding on a flash suppressor to bring the length back up to the legal 16".

I want to put FDE furniture on it and a paracord wrap on the buttstock and hug it and squeeze it and name it George. srsly, though.

>>31812812
because the gas port is really close to the end of the muzzel creating less back pressure to cycle the action. adding the booster makes it more reliable without having to drill a oversized gas port in the barrel.

Does anybody else here love rollerlocked rifles?

PTR is making a PTR91/HK91-based design now called the PTR32, similar to the HK32 from the 1970s. It's in 7.62x39mm and uses AK mags. I hear mixed reports on it--10.5 pounds unloaded, poor triggers, finicky about magazines, etc. Anyone here have one?

>>31812231
the c39v2 is a button rifled barrel. thats garbage. fucking wasr, npap, arsenal, saiga. all have cold hammer forged barrels. that automatically makes them better then any us made ak...

Are there any real differences between an AK47 and AKM aside from milled vs stamped?

>>31812928
There are differences in the furniture. An AKM wooden stock is more straight-line, an AK47 stock has much more drop at the heel. AKM lower handguards have palm swells, AK47 lower handguards don't. AKMs have a threaded muzzle and a muzzle device as standard, usually a slant brake. AK47s have unthreaded muzzles.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there are other differences.

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>>31812910
PTR is good stuff. Mine is probably my favorite rifle now.

>>31812919
None of that even makes a difference when you're shooting 7.62x39, you retarded fucker.

>>31813060
I hear the factory handguards don't have any kind of heat shield, though I suppose you could spray the interior of them with silver spray paint and then maybe get scissors and aluminum foil and put in some kind of half-assed homemade heat shield.

How's the trigger? That's the biggest complaint I always hear about the HK-derived designs. That and the weight.

Bushnell sells a compact red dot they call the "AK" with a 3 MOA dot. I assume it's intended for AKs, maybe to go on one of those RS Regulate mounts. Has anyone tried on on an AK?

>>31813076
someones mad because they own a c39 and not a superior CHF barrel comblock rifle.

>>31812950
ak-47 barrel is thicker then akm barrel.

>>31813110
I'm not mad, I'm just calling you a retarded fucker for spouting gibberish like
>huhr duhr button rifling makes an AK shoot all shitty n shit!
C39V2 suffers from a mushrooming bolt carrier and using 4140 steel for the barrel. Bitching about rifling is Dunning-Kruger-tier shit.

>>31813076
ah yea it actually makes a really fucking big difference when your talking about barrel life....

>>31813143
your the retarded one. a hammer forged barrel will last 5x longer then a traditional hammer forged barrel, has nothing to do with accuracy. talking about barrel life here, witch is a really fucking big deal when it comes to military style rifles.

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>>31813091
My factory handguard had a heat shield and I'm pretty sure that it was just surplus furniture. I personally don't think the trigger is that bad. It's certainly no match trigger but I shoot well enough with it. The gun itself is heavy but that's just kinda the nature of the beast with the classic battle rifles.

>>31813076
Do you put together rifles at Century or something? You're autistic enough to.

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The grip color irregularity add character or look mismatched?

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>Just finished installing the new Warsaw stock on my N-PAP

My days of sore cheek bones are over.

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>>31812825
Building my own with a fixed stock on a Bulgarian 74 kit, AKbuilder 5.56 nitride barrel, threaded 1/2-28 with troy medieval brake, polish v-project front sight combo block. I considered chop-and-weld, but I like to swap brakes too much to commit to any single brake.

>>31813231
Didn't notice until you pointed it out. I like it darker than the stock/handguard, but that's just me.

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>>31813232
underfolder is better :^

>>31813144
When was the last time you actually did any research on this?

Go on. Educate me, fuckface.

I'm calling bullshit on you and all your fucking friends.

>>31811651
They work well i shoot prone just fine .

>>31813252
Ya but lol California no folding stocks.

Besides, I would imagine the cheek weld on those wouldn't be very good.

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>>31813240

>>31813254
timmy its bedtime, turn off that computa and brush ur teeth

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Rare day of not having the kids in the afternoon, finally get to take some pics and fuck around with my AKs

>>31813283
Is Timmy the bully that turned you onto 4chan?

So I got my WASR-10 and it's nice to have an AK.

Now, what wood furniture should I replace it with?

>>31813262
Cheek weld is not great on underfolders, no. It is better than on the tubular "crutch" folders you see on late East German, Polish, and Romy guns, and the similar but not identical stamped sheetmetal "crutch" folders on Egyptian and Hungarian guns. You can wrap the appropriate side with paracord and it will make a difference, though.

AK100 series folders > triangle folders >>> underfolders > East German/Polish/Romy/Hungarian/Egyptian "crutch" folders

>>31813262
We might be able to have it next year. The 30" OAL shortest is part of the current AW definition. If the gun is registered as an AW, then theoretically, it should be able to have all the features listed and be shorter than 30" folded. I am not advocating registration but there is a silver lining.

>>31813240
>>31813265
Noice. You going to set it up for Bulgy "waffle" mags, or East German "Wiegers," or...?

Fucking $1750+ for a sgl21 on jewbroker. At this point might as well buy something from one of the custom builders like DA or AK USA.

>>31812286
They will most likely require some amount of fitting.

>>31813366
Welcome to the club.

The furniture that comes on the WASR is perfectly serviceable. For a truck gun, replace the plain blond stock wood with the ugly unfinished laminate from an old WASR and you won't care if it gets scratched a bit.

I painted mine. Rust-Oleum satin "Dark Taupe" is a good match for Flat Dark Earth and ten or twelve coats of matte clearcoat (really it dries more semigloss) build up enough of a layer that you can scrub it with a green nylon scouring pad and get a real matte finish.

>>31813144
http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/barrel-faq/#24635
>There is no clearly superior form of rifling.

http://thearguys.com/ar-facts/difference-hammer-forged-button-cut-rifiling/
>To be honest all types of rifling stress the metal and have an impact on it so I would not let it rifling process determine if you one brand or another.

Is $770 for a Romanian WASR 10 a good deal? I've got one held at a local shop.

>>31812151
Ok cool, thanks.

>>31813459
Looking at getting surplus wood to put on it as I'm not very handy and even painting PVC pipe is definitely a project for me. However, the AKOU Tula stock sets are boner-inducing but my wallet wants to commit sudoku.

To be honest, I am considering getting a Zhukov stock and an Ultimak (need this anyway for a weapon light) and then just replacing the lower handguard.

Are there any good ways to go that don't involve a lot of DIY?

>>31812424
Go on YouTube and search for ak muzzle device/ flash suppressor comparison. There's a guy who did an extensive test with like 20+/- devices and use equipment to measure the reduction in light signatures. Very good video, can't remember actual title or guys name though.

>>31813231
not a deal breaker for me.
mismatched butt stock and front hand guards are though. (not saying yours are mismatched)

>>31813476
Nope
360 degrees and walk away

Are AK Pmags good to go? I'm in CA so I can't just order surplus steel and no one makes 10/30s of them.

>>31813525
For sure. You might also like US PALM AK30s. They have a 10 round version and one that comes in a fakelite version.

Ok I'm going to sound stupid but how do you hold an ak properly from the handguard? Do you put your fingers in the slot holes? Does your fingers ever touch the upper handguard

I think I been doing it wrong my whole life.

>>31813523
I'm not so sure. Where I am, I haven't seen a WASR at all, even at gun shows, since summer. I got one for $600 cash and carry this summer. I winced a bit at the time, and told myself that the new WASRs have straight sights (this one does), and it looks like I chose well, because now I wouldn't be able to get one at all.

With elections coming up the panic buying has already begun. $770 is a lot of money for an AK but then again I've seen nothing but Century AKs available for sale anywhere at any price since June.

>>31813476
Honestly, no, but prices will just continue to go up, and since you can inspect it in person(I assume you know what to look for) I'd get it while you can.

>>31813523
What makes it a bad deal? I've been pretty sheltered from the AK world most of my life, dad's a Fudd who bought a crate and never liked them in the 80s.

>>31813587
hold the dong

>>31813415
Polish Beryl (black) mags, since they seem more durable and are cheaper, and take stripper clip/spoon loading. All the bulgarian mags I've used get crumbly plastic around the front lug after a while.

>>31812667
Pls help.

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>>31813606

>>31813525
I hate pmags- I had three crack at the rear above the lug in a carbine class.

All your 10/30 needs here-

http://supplyingpatriots.com/ak/magazines/

>>31813604
what makes it a bad deal is he thinks WASR's should still be $399 but they're not. the average price for one is from 650 to 750 so your price is fine. get one while you still can.

So akg what's a good parts kit currently on the market, and is kilo guns good for doing such a thing.

>>31813606
The funny thing is it originally came with a dong but I switch with a regular ak handguard for a classic look.

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>>31812295
Nice. I purchased this mag carrier from sgammo a few months back (4 40rd mag cap.) Just noticed that my last surplus mag bottom base plate(?) moves very easily when fully loaded. I hope I didn't waste $15.

>>31813651
I cant speak of thier kit build but they did a good job with my saiga conversion.

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>>31813587
>>31813626

>>31813657
Should be fine. I have that same bag. I love it.

>>31812919
Anyone know what kind of barrel the definitive arms company uses? I know they say 4150 CMV and nitride them, from the recent models I've seen, but can't find any info on the manufacturer. Thank you in advance.

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>>31813652
>he removed the dong

The AK 103 and AK 104 are my favorites of the series. I wish I did to have to buy a Jeep, otherwise I'd snag an Arsenal 107

>>31813076

https://youtu.be/SI_NAM0G1K4

Yea, I'm a proud AkUnion member brother. C39 suks azz.

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>>31813522
It matches perfectly on the other side, suppose I'll just leave it.

>>31813666
Alright, I was thinking of getting a tantal kit and havent seen any reviews on them y/n

>>31807263
>>31813706

Anyone know of a AK i can buy in 223\5.56. I want to get a tactical AK. ya know one i can put a red dot optic.

>>31813657
The base plate seems loose?

Well, unload it and take it apart. AK mags are brilliantly simple. Let's see. The parts of a milspec mag should be:

the mag tube
the follower
the spring
the inner bottom plate thingy that latches the bottom plate on
the bottom plate

Take apart a couple mags, look at them. You'll see. The follower can only fit back in one way. See if anything's different or missing in the mag that's behaving differently.

If you're missing the inner bottom plate then maybe you can get another one at a gun show, or buy a rusty junk mag to pull the part out. Or just get a pair of pliers and tighten the fit of the bottom plate on that mag.

It's an easy fix, I'm sure.

In the twenty mags I bought, one of them had about a pound of Cosmolene inside it when I took it out of the baggie. I fixed that with lots of boiling water, an old toothbrush, and dishwashing liquid. Another one had rust in between the feed lips causing the follower to jam and stick hard in place when it gets to the top--it loads okay, feeds okay, it's just a pain. I guess I'll have to try to get a little wire brush tool for the Dremel and try to clean that out. Another of the mags has a shallow, barely visible dent on one side, as if the tube had been stepped on, that stops the mag follower about a third of the way down. I'm trying to think of a way to fix it that doesn't involve sawing a hole in one side to pound out the dent. Maybe some kind of long rod or piece of rebar with a place that sticks out, that I can stick through the mag tube to pound out the dent without cutting holes in it?

>>31813752
Oh lord

>>31813642
Thanks for the link. Were you using Pmag MOE or gen 3? Are the improvements worth 2x the cost?

>>31813774
Not him but the newer PMAGs have steel reinforcements instead of polymer.

>>31813774
>>31813783
still has plastic feedlips

>>31813772
I will take it apart thanks .

>>31813783
I am aware of the steel insert at the locking surface, but charging double just for that seem absolute jewery to me.

>>31813720
Are you in az ? They do have a store front .

>>31813811
That's why if you want a polymer mag with steel reinforcements, I recommend the AK30.

Not shilling, they do the same thing for a lower price. They were 30 but now they're 20 bucks each, and again, delicious fakelite.

>>31813657
Speaking of mag carriers, does anyone have any preferences? I'm not looking for MOLLE gear or plate carriers or anything like that, just a pouch I can throw over my shoulder and go.

Midway USA sells one. I'm looking at others, like the Hungarian and Yugo surplus 4 and 5 cell mag carriers that sometimes come up. Does anyone have any opinions for things like this?

If you might possibly get rifle go innawoods you need a way to carry a few spare mags with you, right?

>>31813817
Polish build ?

>>31813827
Yes I am in az, I'll have to go in on the weekend because of work and distance

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>>31813834
IMHO, the surplus bags are the way to go unless u get a tactical fanny-mag-dump-bag that can hold about 10 lol. Pic semi related, ive seen some 3x wider than these.

>>31813833
Oh I see the part about the steel reinforcements now. They always looked full polymer to me so I glossed right over them. I didn't know they were considered fakelites as the body looks very different.

>>31813904
Thanks. Who's got good deals on the surplus ones currently?

>>31813921
They do make a less expensive version without the steel reinforcements, so be sure of what you're buying. If you get them directly from US Palm, the non-reinforced ones are called "Range Mags."

>>31813921
I meant a fakelite color. God, that shit has me drooling. Paycheck is in 2 days. God help me.

>>31813841
Chinese

>>31813942
>>31813944
Apparently I can get them under $20 since I work at my lgs and the distributor stocks them. Only black though.

>>31813774
>>31813783
>>31813799
>>31813811
The cracking is common to both designs, I don't use any non-surplus magazines anymore (other than polish v-project) and have never had issues with anything but the pmag, and Bulgarian 5.56 waffles (cracking above the front lug, still perfectly usable, but I won't be buying more)

>>31813856
Well they are not open on the weekend fyi
>>31813954
Im jelly

>>31814007
Very nice. Make sure they are indeed the reinforced type.

I bought the 5-pack of range mags because they may become valuable in the future, plus the free grip which I wanted anyway.

>>31814013
Well shit

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Does anyone know anything about these? Specifically if the atf considers it a suppressor or not.

>>31813926
http://www.sgammo.com/product/surplus/1-used-empty-green-vinyl-mag-pouch-strap-holds-5-x-30-round-ak47-mags-mags-not-inclu

Im sure there are others in Google land.

>>31813834
I like the Hungarian or Yugo mag carriers, they come with a spot for cleaning kit, oil bottle, and hold from three to five mags depending on the exact one you get. The Hungarian vinyl bags in particular are very durable

>>31814044
I'd be very careful. I've seen threads about those on other firearms forums. You could send a letter to the ATF and ask them, I guess, but I'm afraid to ask any technical questions of the people who decided a shoelace was a machine gun.

To my eye it looks too much like a monocore and an outer shell. I would be afraid to buy one, even if it might be a pretty good brake (note that suppressors, with all their baffles, are very effective brakes too). You never know, looking at stuff like that, whether the ATF is about to demand their customer list and start rolling the SWAT teams to do a little door-kicking.

It's like the guy who for years and years sold what he said were "perfectly legal" drop-in AR auto sears in Shotgun News. I saw the ads lots of times. Never thought for more than a second about buying any of his stuff.

>>31814044
The ATF will fuck your shit up if they catch you with that, no doubt. Even if you proved with a decibel meter that it doesn't decrease sound at all they'd still fuck you up. They didn't let the MPX "muzzle brake" slide and they definitely wouldn't let that slide. If you had it mailed in you could potentially file a Form 1 and claim that you made it yourself and it could be a Form 1 suppressor, but doing that would still be illegal.

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>>31814013
I nearly traded it for a 50 series FAL a few months ago, I still wonder if I should have gone through with it.

pic related are pretty neat

>>31814124
Never man you made the right call.
I love the underfolding spikers.

>>31813587
There are lots of ways to hold it, depending on what you're doing. Shooting from the bench, shooting prone, doing room clearing, and so on.

Here, have an instructional video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjI7q567kew

>>31814124
>double underfolder
>polytech legend
>mock Russian SLRs
Nice collection

>>31814184
Thanks, although the folder isn't mine but I've been wanting a Chinese downfolder for awhile now.

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Anyone ever used one of these stock adapters before? I know it's not an SRVV but the 4.5mm really is selling it for me.

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>>31813772
>I'm trying to think of a way to fix it that doesn't involve sawing a hole in one side to pound out the dent.
I use the handle end of a breaker bar.
It's rectangular and I put it in on the "long" side (of the rectangle), rotate it to the shorter side that's wider and push it up against the dents.
It's a little wider than the mag body and it works kinda like a "spoon" in autobody work and presses the dents out.

Bought a bunch of mags that had stuck followers and made them all 100% functional.

>>31814362
I have. It's alright. Felt heavier with a buffer and magpul ctr. Sold it and switched back to triangle. I'd get the manticore arms version.

>>31814184
This >>31813231 is a Kassnar SA85M I got off gunbroker for $1200. I'd guess only had a few 100 rounds through it. Only caveat was the furniture was soiled with oil or something. I tried refinishing it but eventually bought a Russian set and haven't looked back. I nearly sold it to abernaturlich, glad I kept it, it really sparked my interest in AKs

>>31814589
I wondered what it was. I knew the wood was either Russian or polish. Didn't suspect hungo

>>31813685

I still have the dong I only replaced it with a refinished balkan war stock set.

>>31814530
>breaker bar.
Thanks. Is the one in the image the one you're using? I think it says "Craftsman" on the handle end but cannot be sure.

When I Google for breaker bars, I keep finding them with round handles, which wouldn't work the way you're describing.

>>31814903
Yeah, it's a Craftsman.
It's the one I have, but it does seem like (looking through google images) that a lot, if not most, breaker bars available have rounded handles, so yeah they wouldn't work.

I've also read about guys using a 13mm(?) socket in the same fashion, but I have no experience with that.

Also there was a guy who took a large bolt and rounded off the corners to use as a "spoon".

There's this way too.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2504816&postcount=5

>>31809721
wow those fukk bitches should get fucked up by the marines fuck you for posting a picture of those shit assed pieces of crap

>>31815022
Ah, thanks. You're a fountain of useful information.

>tfw got my first ak today

I can't fucking wait to fire it this weekend.

>>31815125
What did you get?

>>31815125
awesome, post pics.

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>>31815138
A custom one built by a shop here in my city. It'd be kinda funny if they saw this on here.

>>31815141
This took forever to upload to google drive for some reason but here.

>>31815223
Hmm. Not bad looking at all. The wooden grip is a bit unusual, and the combination of laminated buttstock and not-laminated everything else is a little unusual, but I hope it shoots well for you.

also,

>dat Moonman hat

>>31815223
Where can I get that hat?
I need one.

>>31814052

holy shit just bought. thanks komrade.

>>31815223
Hungarian parts kit

>>31815223
Dope. You should refinish that furniture to make it super sexy. I recommend ruby shellac.

I just received my PM md. 63 kit from Arms of America today. Not much bluing left, my stock and dong had trench art, and the buttstock plate had some holes eaten into it. God knows what the fuck kinda crusty shit is on my mag release.

That one guy was right, they're pretty rough, but still usable. Overall they're in servicable condition but be prepared to put some elbow grease into refinishing.

>>31815282
Yeah I'll probably end up replacing the stock at some point. I mainly just wanted to buy an AK to go with my AR before the election, and when the shop building it offered to either let me take my pick of furniture they had on the rack or order one I just picked this set since I figure I'll end up replacing it all at some point anyway.

Also, is it normal for AKs to have a really short length of pull? I want to get a recoil pad or something just so it's more comfortable to shoulder. I'm not Hickock sized or anything either, I'm totally average.

And yeah I bought the hat specifically because I knew I was buying an AK.

>>31815311
NASCAR store, but I think they're sold out now since the throwback race is over. That's why I bought 2 ;^)

>>31815333
Yeah. And I think the furniture is Romanian? I feel like a dipshit for not writing down what country all the parts came from when he explained it to me.

I went into this knowing jack shit about AKs, and I still really don't. From lurking here a little first, it seems /k/ can't seem to decide which AKs are good and bad except for Arsenals, and this came out to about the same price as an Arsenal, but with a lifetime warranty and the fact the guy who built it is right up the road from me should I ever have any problems with it. Plus I like to support local businesses when I can.

>>31815351
Thats an option too, but I live in an apartment now and don't really have a good place to do any kind of woodworking. I currently work on my car in the parking lot, but I get the feeling working on rifle parts there might be a little over the line lel.

>>31815413
Yes, AKs are notorious for having manlet stocks.

>>31815223
There really is something absolutely breathtaking about a normal AKM with wooden furniture... no frills, nothing fancy... just an AKM. Gorgeous. Rest in peace, Lt. Gen. Mikhail Kalashnikov. You've made the world a better place for gun owners.

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Has anyone ever ordered anything from russian thunder?

>>31815512
I feel the same way. Of all my AKs I really do love my AKM the most. Elegant, perfectly minimal, futuristic in its day and way. Really fantastic

>>31815413
>they're sold out
Fug, they are too.
Damn it, I can't find one anywhere else either.
Thanks anyway /k/omrade.

New thread

>>31815717

>>31815717

>>31815717

>>31815707
This isn't exactly the same but it's moonman all the same.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-DARLINGTON-RETRO-McMurray-Nascar-Pit-Crew-Trucker-Hat-McDonalds-MAC-TONIGHT-/182297327913?hash=item2a71c47929:g:1HkAAOSwCGVX3Juw

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>>31809721
I know they do anon, but as I said
>Optics made for AKs
It's a WASR-10 with AKM furniture

>>31815782
>Generic no name hat
Thanks, but no thanks.
I only wear New Eras, as niggerish as that sounds.
I found a shop that'll custom embroider New Era hats, might have a few made.

Hey fags. Yes or no?
http://grabagun.com/century-arms-arms-polish-ak74-545x39-16-fldg.html

>>31815998
>out of stock

>>31815998
>Century Tantal
Not merely no, but FUCK NO. Google for "Tantal" + "keyhole" and you'll learn why.

Also it's out of stock.

>>31816062
Weird that it shows up in a search even though it's out of stock.

>>31816073
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up m8.