>gee anon, you're not going to let Russia steam roll

Give the butthurtbelt to Russia, who gives a shit about them

>>31784589
They're a great place to station future nukes though, that way we can nuke Moscow and St. Petersburg in less than ten minutes!

>>31784581
Join NATO: you have a chance at being self autonomous if russia attacks and nato wins. Its also a deterrent to russia attacking you.

Stay neutral: No deterrent, no chance at final victory.

No, its not in their best interest to stay neutral. Ukraine was neutral.

>They can't even police their airspace themselves
more baltic coast for Russia would be the easiest

>>31784603
>you have a chance at being self autonomous if russia attacks and nato wins
Are you retarded? If Russia attacks with NATO forces there there will be no more Baltic states, just craters.
>Ukraine was neutral.
And it's also a much large country than the Baltic states combined. Plus it wasn't even Neutral, it had a Pro-West government turned Russian puppet that got over thrown and another Pro-west government installed. It's never been neutral since it's independence. The only options for countries neighboring Russia are:
>be a vassal of Russia
>be a front line/future bombed out stretch of decimated land in a future war
Neutrality can't exist for these countries.

>>31784581
If I were the Baltics I would try and form some sort of mini-defense pact ala the Visegrad Group while emphasizing a doctrine that focused on delaying attacking forces for as long as possible. No matter how you slice it the Balts cannot hold on their own, they're simply too small so their one shot at doing anything is to pray that NATO will save them if shit were to hit the fan. Either way I find the event of war in the Baltics somewhat unlikely unless Russia was really backed into a corner. While there are indeed ethnic russkies living in those countries, they'd end up having to incorporate millions of people who
>do not speak Russian
>use a different currency
>are used to a higher standard of living than their occupier
>will never consider themselves Russian
It's a fuckload more trouble than it's worth. More than likely I could see the Russkies installing a "friendly" government.

>>31784615
>If Russia attacks with NATO forces there there will be no more Baltic states, just craters.

Hence the deterrence point, anon. If nato wins, it will be THEIR bombed out crater than russias.

>ukraine was not neutral

It was the very definition of neutral, with no binding treaties to either east or west.

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Russia's gonna get raped if they keep fucking around.

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>>31784581
>>gee anon, you're not going to let Russia steam roll my country, are you?
Yes I would

>>31784625
>Hence the deterrence point, anon.
What, deterrence from the Baltics invading Russia? Work on your fucking reading comprehension
>If nato wins, it will be THEIR bombed out crater than russias.
And?
>It was the very definition of neutral, with no binding treaties to either east or west.
>implying treaties mean shit
Sounds like a shitty definition of Neutral famililamb

>>31784624
>do not speak Russian
Not yet
>use a different currency
Yeah, because an occupied country would still use the Euro, right? kek
>are used to a higher standard of living than their occupier
So?
>will never consider themselves Russian
Again, so?

>>31784634
>What, deterrence from the Baltics invading Russia?

If your a nato aligned baltic state? Russia getting attacked by nato.

>And?

They find that preferable to being under russian rule, which is quite telling being that they had first hand knowledge of said rule.

>Sounds like a shitty definition of Neutral famililamb

Take it up with webster.

>>31784624
They should just form one nation.
The United Baltic States!

>>31784646
>If your a nato aligned baltic state? Russia getting attacked by nato.
All that means for the Baltic states, no matter who starts the war, they'll end up as rubble

>>31784649
Yes. The nato aligned baltic states finds that preferable to being under russian rule.

>>31784640
>not yet
What, you gonna force them to speak Russkie at gun point? You'll end up having to use Stalinesque measures on the population
>currency
Have fun with the exchange rate.
>so?
So they would most likely not be very happy having to transition their current institutions to Russian ones and thus gain a lower standard of living
>so?
So you'll have territories that will for a considerable amount of time be in a state of permanent discontent and will more than likely be seeking ways to break off from Russia. Again. Furthermore if the russkies went full retard and actually did this it would kill what's left of their international relations. Nations haven't done territorial land grabs like that in decades. As I said, the Russians could do this but it would be far too much trouble to outright annexed the baltics.

>>31784651
Yeah, well they're retarded

>>31784659
>What, you gonna force them to speak Russkie at gun point? You'll end up having to use Stalinesque measures on the population
How many German speakers are there in modern day Poland?
>Have fun with the exchange rate.
Yeah, because an occupied country has never changed currencies before
>So they would most likely not be very happy having to transition their current institutions to Russian ones and thus gain a lower standard of living
Again... so? They won't have a choice
>So you'll have territories that will for a considerable amount of time be in a state of permanent discontent and will more than likely be seeking ways to break off from Russia. Again. Furthermore if the russkies went full retard and actually did this it would kill what's left of their international relations. Nations haven't done territorial land grabs like that in decades. As I said, the Russians could do this but it would be far too much trouble to outright annexed the baltics.
Again... so?

>>31784581
Ukraine was neutral, wasn't it?
>>31784589
Don't say shit like that about Eesti you meanie

>>31784581
Deploying NATO's nuclear missile system in Baltic states. (same as Pershing missile system deployed in west Germany targeting USSR)

>>31784672
>Ukraine was neutral, wasn't it?
Not really

>>31784667
Cool opinon.

>>31784680
I know, right?

>>31784581

>Russia actually attacking the Baltic states

Are you retarded? Is pro-Clinton propaganda this effective in the USA?

Seriously, have you run out of brown people to bomb, all of a sudden? Do you really need someone to call an enemy so bad that you've gone back to antagonizing Russia?

>>31784669
The world went to war over Poland once before. And it would again. Even Russians can't be stupid enough to think otherwise.

>>31784688
Russia such a victim. I cri ebry tiem ;_;

>>31784667
Rather become rubble because you fought for your freedom than become rubble over ruinous Russian occupation

>Be under Nato, you become rubble in the war and the west forgets about you since you have no oil and negligible resources just like iraq and syria

>Be under Russia, you become rubble in the war and russia gives no fucks about you, has no money to rebuild your infrastructure and steals whatever is left because it's an oligarchy.


Better be independent to be honest.

>>31784690

Wrong, the world went to war because of kikes. Before poland was poland its land belonged to germany. Hitler was only restoring rightful germanic borders.

he dindu nuttin

>>31784734
>because of kikes
/pol/ begone.

>>31784734
Poland existed long before Germany did. Are you retarded?

>>31784581
by continuing being useles third-world shithole, that have no strategic importance even for Russians?

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>>31784688
it's baffling and delusional, but at least it distracts nato from the regions where russia is actually active right now. like the arctic. 2 new brigades, 6 new or re-opened permanent bases, new airfields and sam sites, dozen of new weather/research stations, massive naval and paratrooper exercises - all over the course of the last 2-3 years. rapid and intense militarization of the region on a scale larger than chinese activities in south china sea. all practically uncovered in western media

meanwhile the kaliningrad garrison is just one understaffed brigade and naval infantry regiment, and russian military presence on baltic states border is next to non-existent

>>31784771
Russia recognizeing that the Arctic will open up due to rising earth temps.

Canada will actually be a pretty big global shipping player after a 100 years or so.

>>31784734
Legitimate retard.

Russia doesn't especially want the Baltic states

>>31784672
It wasn't

>>31784649
>All that means for the Baltic states, no matter who starts the war, they'll end up as rubble

Historically speaking there's very little practical difference between becoming a cratered wasteland during a world war and being under Russia's rule for any significant length of time.

>>31784581
Let Putin in and guide you to paradise.

>>31784605
>One turnip has been deposited into your account.

>>31784667
What are you, a communist?

The Russians can go eat dick.

>>31784581
Private Armies

or at least im just spit balling, it would be very interesting but a lack of over site may lead to some atrocities/war crimes.

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>>31784734
>m-muh german clay
>muh lebensraum
>mein leiben
Germany should be eliminated, to be quite frank.

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>>31784902
>oligarchy headed by a manlet with manlet compensation syndrome
>leading at all to paradise

>>31784948
Better than nations ruled by niggers and women.

>>31784581
>Wouldn't remaining neutral be in the Baltic states' best interests?
Tried that in the 30's. As it turns out, neutrality doesn't really work that well if you have zero natural obstacles separating you from the potential aggressor and your determination to work together with your neighbors who share the same anxieties doesn't go further beyond simple words.

Simple, join forces with Russia instead.

>>31784667
Cornered vatnik detected

>>31784669
Do you even history?
> derp guys ,what happens when you have revolting people in your country

>>31785038
But being ruled by Russia really fucking sucks though.

>>31785015
Anon, Russians ARE niggers, we've talked about this.

>>31784763
What is unfreezing seaports?

>>31785049
During communism jew era yes, but during modern era?

It's just another poor country, bro. Hardy but poor country.

>>31785020
>zero natural obstacles
Poland and the rest of the Baltics need to dig a huge moat along the Russian border and build a wall.

Also needs big minefield on one side along with AA guns and SAM sites along it.

And the moat is filled with lava/acid/sewage

>>31785060
No, it would still suck, living under Russian rule always means poverty, the Russians themselves are the greatest example of this.

>>31785068
Ruskies poverty have never been THAT bad, most modern ruskies live comfortable lives.

>>31784589
My Serb-senses are tingling...

>>31785071
Oh boy. I take it you haven't seen Russia outside of Moscow and SPb. then.

>>31785080
The rural people are perfectly fine by themselves.

In fact they are better that way.

>>31785080
Even in moscow, by western standarts they are piss poor, except maybe 10%

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>>31785085
>In fact they are better that way.
Putin, is that you?

>>31785085
>the country folk dont need capitalist amenities like a non nigger tier power grid and roads.

>>31785071
Their standards of living are Mexican on average.

Sure it's lightyears ahead of the Soviet Union, but that's like saying it's better to have a 7" unlubed cock in your ass than a 10" one.

Poland doesn't want Russia's cock in their ass, no means no (even though I know the notion of consent is fleeting in Russia)

>>31785095
>>31785097
The simple life is the best life.

>Poland doesn't want Russia's cock in their ass, no means no (even though I know the notion of consent is fleeting in Russia)
We can always be friend.

>>31785085
I suppose Russia is as good place as any other if you're a Varg Vikernes type of survivalist, maybe even better than most. Too bad that most people would prefer having a functioning infrastructure, decent roads, working rain drains, urban planning and stuff like that.

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>>31785097
>even though I know the notion of consent is fleeting in Russia
Imperialist lies! Russia has consent AND non-consent, so long as non-consent is to American propaganda!

Hail Tsar Vladimir!

>>31785102
>the simple life is the best life
Pol Pot detected.

>>31785107
Interesting trick photography, almost makes Putin look like he's further in the distance, when he's actually right next to them.

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>>31785071
>>31785085
>most modern ruskies live comfortable lives
>The rural people are perfectly fine

>life expectancy at birth in the Russian Federation is 71 years, close to a decade below the OECD average of 80 years. Life expectancy for women is 76 years, compared with 65 for men.
>65 for men
>65 FOR MEN

If your baseline for comparison is Sub-Saharan Africa, then yes, Russians are marginally better off.

>>31785106
>>31785108
You guys should try it.

The simple life is the best!

>>31785126
Men living 60 years is already enough though.

>>31785054
>>What is unfreezing seaports?
What is Black sea?

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>>31785126
Oh man, I got a bunch of these

>>31785134
>Men living 60 years is already enough though.
Spoken like a true teenager.

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>>31785144
Can't remember if Portugal there is an edit (it's an /int/ meme)

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>>31785123
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>>31785155
>>31785123

>>31785171
>Any nation with blasphemy laws
>Satisfactory
Most of Europe should be red.

>>31785179
...I'm guessing you misread that?

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>>31785092
You can make any shit you can. But, IMHO, Russia is much cleaner and civilized, than any european or american city I`ve visited. And, just a few photos from my phone. Unedited.

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>>31785188
Graffity - Gagarin`s face. Also good thing to compare with New York metro, for example.

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>>31785191
Roads. Not perfect, but clean. No trash, no dirt, no drunkards or addicts. And no niggers!

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Sunset.

>>31784648

I honestly cringe whenever someone suggests this.

The languages aren't mutually intelligible, so how the actual fuck is the state supposed to function? Force everyone to go trilingual? Make English the official language and relegate the native tongues to "only speak 'em in your free time"-tier?

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>>31785200
Just an ordinary willage, just an ordinary wall. The most undeveloped part I managed to find.

>>31785135
Don't pretend to be retarded. If you have one port, doesnt mean you dont need another one

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>>31785209
Roads and absence of trash once again.

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>>31785061
>sewage
so offering the Russian army a free meal, basically?

>>31785194
No drunks or addicts? Comon now....

>>31785212
Ports in Baltics, just cost too much troubles, to get them. Easier to let them be as they are.

>>31785226
They've already got ports in the Baltic though.

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>>31785217
And to finalise the set - doge from previous pic.
>>31785224
Contraversively to what common american believe, there are very few "antisocial elements" in plain view, and they are frowned at by common folks. To see a drunk nigger (or not nigger), lying in the middle of the road in a pool of his urine is near to impossible. Was quite common scene in both NY and Paris.

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>>31785209
>>31785200
>>31785194
>>31785191
>>31785188

Looks like dystopian concrete hell from where I'm standing, pham.

>no drunkards or addicts
Not sure we visited the same Russia.

>no niggers
Lots of mudslimes. And to be honest, bydlos are as close as you can ever get to white niggers.

>>31785234
Kalingrad is shit port, as to get supplies to it, you have to cross nato countries.

>>31785247
No... They've got a port on mainland Russia that connects to the Baltic Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorsk,_Leningrad_Oblast

>>31785239
Niggers replaced by chechens and 4urkas. Not much better

>>31785253
I googled it, and seems rusians use icebreakers during winter for that port, so it actually freezes too. Shit port

>>31785234
Thats exactly what I mean. Who cares about baltic states? Especially cares enough to conquer them?

>>31785239
>>31785266
Depends on where you are. In Moscow and southern parts of Russia - quite a lot of "highlanders".
>>31785239
Not sure what Russia You visited, I`m living there right now. ~ 30 KM from Moscow.

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>>31785107
>>31785123
>>31785173
10/10

>>31785188
>Russia is much cleaner and civilized, than any european or american city I`ve visited.
One turnip has been deposited into your account by The Oligarchy.

>>31785239
I like to visit such small towns as on your pic. They are awesome, really. But to live in one? No. I am good with my central heating system, cheap electricity and water, wide streets, lot of large markets and forest literaly two flats away.

>>31785194
>russia
>no drunks or addicts
Be real.
Also as stated earlier, Russians are niggers.

Also is that a pillar with Joseph Stalin on it? A man who murdered millions and betrayed 9 out of 10 persons he interacted with/had personal knowledge of?

>implying Russian Federation isn't nation of bydlo

>>31784581
The strategy of neutrality only works if neighboring states: a) will respect your territorial integrity (Russia won't) b) your country is too much of a pain in the ass to invade, like Switzerland, or c) your neutrality is guaranteed by at least one major power (see Belgium, post WWI)

>>31785377
>Also is that a pillar with Joseph Stalin on it?
It says victory is always with us :DDD

>>31785377
Yep, Joseph Stalin. The man, who received agrarian country, and left the superpower with nuclear weapon after him. Stay mad nigger.

>>31785289
Mother Russia would like her runaway children back, i.e. all post Soviet states.

>>31785413
Capitalism and not-sociopathy would probably have led to much higher living standards and much greater military might.

In that way I am glad that Papa Joseph held you all back.

>>31785415
Russia is unfit mother, too drunk on shoepolish to take care of child.

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>>31785425
Pic very related.

>>31785430
B-but at least she isn't black!
And there's no needle marks visible to the eye!

Look at strong Russian child!

>>31784640
>Again, so?
remember the break up of the U.S.S.R. its wasn't because Reagan beat the politburo in chess, it was because stress exposed how divided nonrussian people were without russian tanks up their asses

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>>31785442
She may not be black, but she's still a nigger.

>>31784719
you realize the baltic culture is basically rubble cultivation right?

>>31785430
I still would.

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>>31785415
That won`t include baltic states or Ukrain. No socialism here. That means, not profitable micro-countries can eat shit and weight down the EU.
>>31785419
That is what your teacher told you? Lol.

>>31785459
No. That is my conclusion because I'm not so fucking drunk, famined and inbred as to think that communism was anything but the greatest shitshow of the 20th century.

As stated, the Soviet Union broke because it was 100% unsustainable, nobody had to do anything from the outside.

>>31785377
>Also is that a pillar with Joseph Stalin on it? A man who murdered millions and betrayed 9 out of 10 persons he interacted with/had personal knowledge of?

WWII is the single major thing Russians can agree to be proud of in the last couple of centuries, apart from the first half of the space race.
Therefore they're fixated on it in a completely unhealthy manner, and it's basically sacrilegious to try and challenge anything about the story that has been passed down, mostly unchanged, since the end of the war.

That includes Stalin's part in the war. He was at the top on Russia's finest day, and that renders him immune to any and all criticism, regardless of the facts (that he was an incompetent, psychopathic, paranoid mass murderer). Russians simply like their substitute reality better.

Oh yes, there have been attempts to divorce people from this nation-wide self-deception, and when Khrushchev made his famous speech it was quite cathartic for the people to smash up Stalin's statues and stop pretending for a while that a genocidal maniac whose death squads they feared for three decades was their nice smiling daddy who saved them from the ebil Fascists.
But during the last two decades people have been feeling wistful after the order of things back when Russia mattered, so Stalin's reputation gradually retook its former idealized shape and the people who exposed him for the maniac he was were accused of being traitors in service of western Fascists.
That's Russia for you.

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>>31785459
>photocopy of USSR propaganda
>LOOK AT THIS PROOFS

>>31785481

Case in point:

>>31785413

>>31785458
The bydlo mother or the bydlo spawn?

>>31785459
I love those factual and non doctored or misleading graphs graphs, truly amazing all that happened during a terror famine. The soviet system truly is superior and the contradictions of capitalism will make it fall any day now.

Man, Russia does look nice in this thread.

I wonder why people dislike simple lives this much.

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>>31785459
>>31785488
>PROOFS

>>31785507
because farming fucking sucks, ever since humanity discovered the simple life of agriculture we have been devising ways to get other people to to do it. We call it culture

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>>31785477
>>31785488
>>31785481
>>31785489
So much damage control, that it is laughable.
<--Not my photo, but illustrate "european culture" and "capitalism perfection" very good.

>>31785507
I like the luxury of not sustaining on turnips and shoepolish, and shooting automatic weapons for fun, rather than partake in krokodil to numb the pain of raising alcohol fetal syndrome children.

I guess Russians are just incredibly simpleminded and basic compared to white people.

>>31785481
Stalin resurrected the Church and made Russia into a superpower, for better or worse.

Just like Ivan the Terrible, ruskies have a love-hate relationship with him.

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>>31785531
>Stalin resurrected the Church

>>31785527
Glorious soviet union lacked all corruption and crime, that's why it's stands strong to this day.

>>31785522
That culture sucks ass though, the farmer life is best, even if we have to industralize.
>>31785530
Good thing the ruskies allow you to buy Vepr 12.

>>31785527
>"D-damage control!" Ivanov screams desperately as he tries to tear open another packet of codein with his ruined teeth, his mind briefly faltering back to his time in the army where his kapitan made him perform fellatio every day at gunpoint

>>31785171
>Any nation with hate speech laws
>Satisfactory

>>31785536
That is true though.

Stalin was actually a traditionalism.

>>31785542
no literally all cultures are about avoiding doing farm work. It's the basis of civilization in all its forms. Seriously try farming, it blows

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>>31785531
>Stalin resurrected the Church
REALLY now.

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>>31785507
If you were talking about Africa, you'd call it poverty.

But it's Russia, so you call it "simple lives."

>>31785560
maybe he wanted to bury it with a bunch of satanic rituals this time

>>31785527
You're Serbian, aren't you?

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>>31785542
>the farmer life is best
Shoo shoo, red gook!

>>31785531
>Stalin resurrected the Church
the word you are looking for is actually castrated

Based on the shilling in this thread, is Putin trying to bring back communism?

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>>31785536
Surprisingly, yep. That is the case. Can`t say that is a good deed thou.
>>31785530
>>31785549
Lol. Damage controll continues :)
>>31785542
There are not that many farmers in Russia. Most of the population lives in cities. US is more "farmers country" from that point of view.

>>31785560
>>31785580
But Lenin killed the Church and Stalin brought it back...

>>31785584
Nope, just neo-traditionalism.

>>31785587
It is a good deed.

Atheism would have destroyed the root of Russia forever.

In fact, it was the church who re-introduced russian folktales and history back to the "Soviet men".

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>>31785584
Nah, just the sense of glory and national pride.

>the only way they know how is by the barrel of a gun though

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>>31785584
I don`t think so. Thou, he definitely is trying to switch system to something different from "american way", for better or worse.
>>31785589
American education quality sucks... Allways sucked.

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This photo is eerily similar to how I remember Russia in 2014

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>>31785527

Yep, that's a homeless man for sure. Shame on Europe.
In glorious Russia, OMON would have "cleaned him up" before anyone could take a pic.

>>31785605
God France is shit, so shit.

Maybe the countryside is better.

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>>31785612
Can`t say that "cleaning up" homeless drunkards is a bad thing. Surprisingly, there are far less those "homeless" in Russia, than in "civilized" Europe. Your opinion, is that they are all "cleaned up", isn`t it?

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>>31785527
>hide homeless people away from tourists
>LOOK! No poverty!
I was in Greece when it imploded economically a few years ago, just because they put up a nice front in the resorts and for PR doesn't mean people weren't rioting and suffering around the country.

I can find pretty pictures of Pyongyang, that doesn't mean North Korea isn't hell on earth. You hear what I'm saying Vatnik, or did your eyes and ears fall off from too much Krokodil? Pretty pictures mean little.

>>31785638
>Maybe the countryside is better.
more farmers and guns but somehow more adultery

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>>31785638
NY is virtually the same. The impression is that you are in some kind of post-apocalypse. High-tech (or historical) city, occupied by some horde from Somali or Zimbabwe.

>>31785638
Yeah, it is. I went on a bicycle tour of northern France, basically Paris -> Reims -> Amiens -> Calais -> Lille.

It's quite nice in the countryside, and don't believe those awful, racist Parisians, Nord-Pas-de-Calais is fine, and the people are really friendly.

Lille is quite nice too, although there are some bits of slum-taint which I think all the larger cities in France have.

>>31785659
blade runner kinda snuck up on us didn't it

>>31785642
Well hiding them sure does make it seem like there's less of them.

It doesn't solve the problem or make them go away, but it makes the oligarchs feel better about themselves.

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>>31785642
>Your opinion, is that they are all "cleaned up", isn`t it?

In tourist centers, yes.
Outside, they're in plain sight. Except the ones dying of opiate overdose in their junkie hidey holes, freezing to death in rusting train cars, or the ones being harvested for organs. :^)

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>>31785644
Sadly for you, Russia isn`t Greece (No offence for greeks, I know a few good guys from there). And haven`t imploded. USSR imploded due to the fect it tried to look better than it was. I can give you that.

>>31785659
This is why japs prefer to go to east european countries now.

>>31785666
New York used to be a lot worse than it is today. Just watch any movies from New York in the 70s, they make it pretty clear the entire place was basically today's Detroit in the making.

>>31785669
Why do you hate Russia so much, friend? :(

>>31785674
>>31785659
>>31785642
>>31785587
>>31785527

Why is it physically impossible for vatniks to take pics that aren't blurry as fuck?
Do they only take pics when they're at the peak of krokodil withdrawal?

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>>31785669
My photos are from god forbidden small satellite town near Moscow. Definitely not popular for tourism (nothing to see here, really). Still, no homeless and drunkards on the streets. BTW, openly drinking alcohol in public places is forbidden. Not that this law is strictly monitored, but it works to some extent.

>>31785674
I wasn't actually so much making a direct comparison between Greece and Russia as much as I was just saying that hiding poor people doesn't mean you don't have poor people.

I shouldn't be surprised that it flew right over your head but here we are.

>>31785692
>no homeless and drunkards on the streets
Yeah they're in alleys, ditches, subways and squatting (figuratively and literally) in abandoned properties.

>>31785691
It's like slathering vaseline on lens of camera to hide imperfections.

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>>31785691
Got no pics from Paris on my mobile. So, question that to the czech author who took them.

>>31785666
Sort of.
<--Just to ease the mood in /k style.
"Good evening. Madam, mesier, please, face to the floor!"

>>31785699
Can shoot a few picks of alleys. Can`t shoot subways, since there is not any. For the duration I live here, seen like 5 or 6 guys squattin. Some of them were cleanely joking, since they photographed the whole process.
No abandoned places here. Russia isn`t a detroit, property is readily reclaimed if it is abandoned for some reason.

>>31785507
The people here usually don't get their water from a well bucket or cut their own firewood.

Honestly, we probably should live simpler lives. It'd weed out the pussies and make us appreciate what's really important. But if people want hot running clean water and google fiber that's their call.

>>31785102
>friend
>russia
No such thing.
With russians there are only subjects or enemies. Russia has no friends.

>>31785710
>czech author
>Ivan Leonov
http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1591517.html

Uh-huh.

>>31785746
Where I`ve googled them, it was said that the author is chzech. Never bothered to check. Still, is there any difference? The problems will get away miraculously?

>>31784669
>Again... so?
so you end up with a state of perpetual uprising and insurgency in those occupied territories. for the occupying power that means
>massive amount of negative PR
>huge hit to foreign relations
>occupying military units suffer from constant attrition due to insurgent activity
>local economy in occupied territory goes down the drain

it'd be a massive money sink that doesn't yield any profit, it'd become a grave for lots of russian soldiers. and for what?

you really have to consider what russia could possibly gain from such a move - as i see it, there really isn't much there, certainly not enough to justify getting the army bogged down in a prolonged occupation and counterinsurgency operation. they already experienced that when they went into afghanistan, they sure don't want such a mess again.

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>>31785741
pls no bully Russia

>>31785741
>Russia has no friends.
serbia exists.
other than that, you're right though. especially when it comes to its neighboring states.

>>31785771
vatniks forget that as soon the Soviets didn't send in tanks to crush popular movements their whole empire fell apart.

>>31785782
>serbia exists.
Serbia is a subject.

>>31785727
What's for breakfast? Seriously, I'm actually curious what people really eat in the morning around the world.

I had a boiled egg, cottage cheese with pineapple and some black tea.

>>31785780
Russia is fine, it's the saber rattling that causes the bullying. By making fun of Russia we in our own little undermine the Clinton Russia-bad movement that want to increase tension. It's in Russia's interest for America to get distracted again so they can grab another piece of Europe

>>31785802
I ate nothing, but I will eat two hamburgers later. because I need to embrace my stereotypes

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>>31784581
>gee anon, you're not going to let Russia steam roll my country, are you?
For this eyes I'm going to let them reap and tear you country 24/7

>>31785788
be that as it may, lots of serbs do in fact view russia favorably, and consider their peoples to be natural allies and friends.

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>>31785763

No, it just illustrates the point that a Russian can't form a sentence without lying.
If there's no one else to lie to, they lie to themselves.
>hurr let's have some pics of homeless people in countries that are severely more developed and less poor with considerably more equal wealth distribution to boot
>let's hope this takes your mind off the fact we're living in a shithole that can only be escaped by emmigrating, getting dead drunk/hooked on opiates, or killing yourself

>>31785802
Since I normaly work without serious dinner (just my habit, and bad one), so, some kind of soup, or shci, or borshc (google translates all three as "soup", lol) and coffee with some cookies.

>>31784581
>Baltic states
No such thing.

>>31785786
>>31785786
>as soon the Soviets didn't send in tanks to crush popular movements their whole empire fell apart

regarding this: was it actually worth it for the USSR to keep all these client states around? i know that east germany at least was an economic powerhouse compared to the other eastern bloc countries, but did the USSR itself actually profit economically from all these vassal states?

>>31785813
can we do an operation paperclip on her?

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>>31785819
>>hurr durrr, I can`t argue the facts, so I throu in some bullshit graph, compiled by god knows who and for what reason, and clame that as a proof!!!

Damage controll intensifies ^)

<-- For fellow serbs.

>>31785842
Yep. Germany was good. Baltic states and Ukraine were allways donors, so, jetissoning the trash in 91, was one of the reasons Russia managed to stay afloat.

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>>31785850

>>31785858
>>donors
Clients. Donor was Russia. My fuck up.

>>31785850
>facts are not facts if they're inconvenient

Slav mindset in a nutshell.
Russia's brain drain, suicide rates, abortion rates, abysmal life expectancy, drug abuse and alcoholism rates, homicide rates, violent crime rates, GDP per capita and wealth distribution are real.

Good thing Russians have Serbs to cradle their balls in Internet arguments.

>>31785858
but theres a difference
east germany was a satelite state, same as poland, czechoslovakia, hungary, romania and bulgaria. baltics, belarus and ukraine on the other hand were just straight up annexed and incorporated into USSR.
i am wondering if - and how - USSR benefitted economically from the satelite states it controlled, or if USSR just blew a lot of cash on keeping them under control purely for ideological and political reasons.

>>31785842
Like all things, the answer is yes and no. Toward the End russia was actually exporting goods to keep the quality of life high in the clients to keep them happy at the cost of quality of life in russia. Sucking Ukraine dry made Russia an industrial power so that helped. Ukraine also provided most of the conscripts thrown under the tracks of german tanks. Post war though rebuilding the client's wa a major drag and the clients where rebellion prone. It's alot like colonies across the ocean that constantly whine about imperialism but take more then they give. But all the clients allowed russia to artificially inflate their economy on paper which is great propaganda.

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>>31785872
Yes, yes. Very convincing. Stay mad.

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>>31784581
Don't worry QT3.14, Uncle Donald will let you immigrate.

>>31785872
Don't forget their truly nigger tier HIV rate

>>31785876
In most cases, USSR never had any economical benefits from sattelite states. It was a political measure, not economical. USSR sort of tryed to "have friends". Sadly, that never worked out.

>>31785812
Gotcha. I bought 2 burgers yesterday for lunch because I didn't want to cook dinner, then decided to make something else for dinner anyway. I'll probably eat the burger today with a Glock 19 in my other hand.

>>31785831
Borscht sounds good, though I've never had it for breakfast. Coffee and cookies are always a good decision.

>>31785882
Putin is a fucking manlet. No wonder he's so buttmad all the time.

>>31785194
>Stalin poster
>400 years of house romanov
>forgive us, holy martyrs
Kek, love my country for this shit

>>31785850
I am currently considering making a patch out of that excellent image

>>31784669
>lets go full USSR mode on the baltics, worked so fucking well last time!
You're retarded.

>>31785995
just let the vatniks pretend they won't run out of gas mid way through poland

>>31785882
>Very convincing.

The figures proving just how shit nearly all of the aspects of life in Russia are compared to the rest of the developed world are real, solid, verifiable and plain out there for everyone to see. Pointing that out isn't diverting attention.
Diverting attention is clinging to pics of homeless people in Paris to make yourself feel better about it.

Do you always just reject reality when it doesn't agree with your worldviews?

>>31785531
Stalin laid foundation for further dissolving of Russian Empire. USSR fell apart exactly by the borders he drew.

>>31786062
>Do you always just reject reality when it doesn't agree with your worldviews?
No, sometines the krokodil does it for him.

>>31786079
The USSR did not fail on his term.

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>>31786257
>this is what would be written in history books
>not on my watch, republicucks

>>31785071
I'd say it's not that bad being really poor in Russia and not try to achiive anything (it's pretty chill life), like I was to my grandpa's village they have satellite TVs, they can buy food and shit but they still all live in shitty wooden houses because no one can afford real estate. But if you try to go into middle class you'l notice how many better goods you don't want to buy/own due to taxes on owning stuff and taxes on foreign imports. So there's not much of a reason to work too hard. Of course absurd real estate prices really hit the birthrates since few people can afford not living with their parents. It's a better country for people who want to not stick out, baically we're now becoming progressively more simillar to late Soviet union. I guess I'd rather not live here although I'm still not sure about that.

>>31785481
One thing I'd give to Stalin, is that it became noticeable even in his time that planned economy wasn't working so he tried starting something called "new economic policy" which allowed people to have businesses, but then war and post-war rebuilding happened so it got put aside. Everything else was pretty bad, he was detrimental to WW2 efforts by purging competent officers before the war, but he still didn't fuck it up as hard as Hitler.

>>31786619
>Everything else was pretty bad, he was detrimental to WW2 efforts by purging competent officers before the war, but he still didn't fuck it up as hard as Hitler.
It's arguable that these officers were competent in the first place considering their limited success in Finland.

>>31786662
They achieved their objectives on researching the effect of 7.62x54r on the body of Ukrainian conscripts. Remember you need reproducible results to prove your hypothesis

>>31786662
Finland was after the purges, with the rookies fighting if I'm not mistaken.

>>31786062
>>>statistics...
>>>reality...
Choose one. And yes, it looks like I`ve figured out your problem. Poor education once again. I can tell you how the statistic results are achieved, but that would be just a waste of time. Stay mad, kid.

>>31786792
Nope, the purge happened just before Barbarossa.

As a Southern Euro I will never understand the butthurt with Russia, they're fine in my book.
Tbh I hope to visit the country any time soon. Leave Ruskies alone.

>>31785908
If you have no dinner, it is good to have something hot and relatively liquid for breakfast.

BTW, tried to take some pics of the alleys, on my way back from work, but my phone failed me - too dark to shoot without flash. Or I am just a poor excuse for a photographer (which is most likely the case). Will try to make some in the morning. However, on my way back I met: Woman with a child and another kid in the cart, family with children playing, Company of four middle aged men on the bench, probably lightly drunk, since they discussed the problems of artificial intelligence development aloud (yeah, baby, that`s Russia), numerous people, going home from work. That`s all. No drunkards, no homeless in the card boxes, no crocodil addicts, you fear so much, etc.

Frankly, I see, why you trying to make Russia look like a shithole. When you living near some nigger getto, your neighbour was raped by some homeless nigger that receive pension larger than your work pay, your girlfriend was shot by some cop without warning, who "supposed, that she was doing something suspicious", you are addicted to sedatives, required just to continue your crazy life, counting every cent, knowing that everyone around are after your money... It is allways easier to live, knowing, that someone living even worse.

>>31785166
What does that one means?

>>31784771
this, combined with its enormous oil reserves, the arctic will become Russia's backyard on a scale that will make the south china sea shit look like Iran's paddleboat antics in the strait of hurmuz. Pretty crazy that the US is not investing in at least militarizing Alaska's north coast.

>>31785150
wtf is wrong with estonia?

>>31784581
Of course not. We will wait until their invasion is complete and nuke the whole place into glass.

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>>31784771
>US launches a massive Marine suicide invasion of Russia's Arctic bases

We BF Cold War/Final Stand now.

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>>31786797
>lol ur wrong
>lol u mad
>lol murrikan edumucation
>I could prove you wrong, but I ain't gonna, nyer nyer!

Now this is just sad.

>>31785208
They could speak either english or their 2nd language: Russian.

>>31785802
Scotland here: usually a cappuchino & an almond coissant.

>>31786879
That's because Russia doesn't have a centuries-long history of killing your folks and taking your shit.

If it did, you'd understand.

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>>31786797
>Poor education once again. I can tell you how the statistic results are achieved

The evil westerners are rigging them, yeah.
It's always the West putting glorious Rossia down. I can't wait for tsar Putin to make statistics illegal, that'll show them.

>>31786971
>cases per million
>country only has about 1.3 million inhabitants

You do the math.

>>31788830
Most of the butthurt is from Americans desu, and they don't have a century long history of killing them/you.

>>31788855
so? it still means a stupidly high number

>>31788933
It just seems that way because 4chan is full of Americans, especially /k/. Burgers are some of the most numerous and cringey Putin worshippers on /pol/.

>>31784581
>Wouldn't remaining neutral be in the Baltic states' best interests?
Last time they were neutral russia fucked them tho

No thanks, no more wars for Jews.

>>31784615
a lot of people get caught up in the romance of freedom, neutrality, and equality. You are only equal so long as the most powerful person in the room says you are.

The weaker states failed to adapt to the technological age and solidify their resources, and instead pissed away their potential

Modern Europe is their legacy. A collection of nations that have existed much longer than the US, modern china, or even the current iteration of Russia, and yet have done fucking scratch in comparison.

Ukraine was a warning to every neutral nation. Pick a side and quit siting on the fence. The worlds changing, and digging in your heals and pretending it wont, well, you saw how well that's worked.

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>>31784581
>sorry, Russia has better waifus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1h-q-q9Y-A&feature=youtu.be

>>31791299

But what if I don't want HIV?

>>31791201
Fuck you, not everyone wants to get to sacked into a conflict because America can'take go a year without intervening somewhere.

And unlike America and other countries, some countries actually value their identity, values, culture and heritage. They'don't rather not lose that by getting ducked into some power's cabal.

Especially not Mr. Multiculturalism, aka the US of A.

>>31784688
Right, Putin won't attack he'll just flood them with propaganda and "advisers" until the "pro-russian separatists" declare their "independence" and he has to deploy troops for their "protection" and Russia absorbs a NATO member but really they din du nuffin it's just Clinton propaganda.

>>31784581
AMERICAN TROOPS FOR AMERICAN SOIL, AMERICAN MONEY FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS!

>>31784688
I thought your kind started admitting you were invading Ukraine a while ago, not still denying it.
How many rubles do you get per post, anyway, Ivan?

>>31784678
>>31784818
How was Ukraine not neutral?

>>31785188
What area? I had a friend from St. Petersburg who would disagree with you opinions.

>>31784581
Who would want the Baltics anyway? Always trouble. Always problems. Oh. Those who want the oil.

>>31785102
Yeah have fun having the city turn off the hot water to entire city blocks to do "repairs" for undefined amounts of time

>>31788841
That`s not "evil westerners". Just ANY statistic research is at the very least inaccurate. In most, if not all cases, it is rigged to achieve desired, and not the actual numbers. For example, how HIV rates are calculated?
1) Lazy way. Call HIV dispanser, check the number of those, who are recorded. Devide the mppulation of the area, controlled by that dispanser by above number. Approximate for the whole country. Profit.
2) Rig-happy way. Ask "random" 100 or 1000 people if they are infected, divide the number by the number of answers, approximate for the whole country, profit.
3) How it should be. Check EVERY man and woman in a country in a clinic, form the result.

In our case - form the statisticks for Russia in the worst region, form the statisticks for USA in a most HIV-safe white districts - here are your "muh `murrica supremacy". However, you can calculate the numbers in exactly opposite way.

As it is said: There is a lie, there is a shameless lie, and there is a statistics.

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>>31792204
There allways are people, who want more or better. Can`t blame them. Untill they are completely fucked up zealots, worshipping long dollar. My reply is allways: "If you like life in USA (Europe, or whenever else) more, go there and be happy. Do not teach us how to live, and we won`t tell you who you are."

As I promissed, some photos from Russian alleys from this morning.

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>>31791489
>Putin

fuck this thread. fucking jew. fuck you!

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>>31795077
Yes, that`s what called an alley in Russia. Alley suppose to have trees, grenery, benches and other means of rest and recuperation. And yes, alley runs along the street, not perpendicular to it.

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>>31791727
>How was Ukraine not neutral?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHClFGiWaKg#t=1746

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJPfT2CW_k

>>31791489
Boy that sure does sound like the actions of another world power.

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>>31795086
Due to different city planning, Russian cities do not (at least, I never seen them) have any american-style alleys. I mean, no narrow, garbage-filled mini-streets, in between the main ones. Instead, number of blocks form a "micro-region" with "yard" in the center.

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>>31795112
Ground view, same place.

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>>31795118
Shitty photo from yesterday`s evening. Crane is working, new building is rising. Economics is ripped to shreads, yeah.

>>31795049
>did not pass high school math
>this particular vatnik
Pick two. Learn about confidence intervals, standard intervals or just statistics in general.
Done correctly, statistics can be extremely accurate. The German tank problem is a great example of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem

>Check EVERY man and woman in a country in a clinic
This is not how you do it, you only need a sample of the population and given that the sampling is done in a correct way, you can be like 98% confident that your findings apply to the population in general.

>There is a lie, there is a shameless lie, and there is a statistics
Said by butthurt vatniks when confronted with the fact that russia is nigger tier to live in.

>>31795325
Heh, just as I said before, explaining statistics to a simple minded burger kid is a waste of time.

>>This is not how you do it, you only need a sample of the population
>>sample of the population
>>SAMPLE

>>Said by butthurt vatniks when confronted with the fact that russia is nigger tier to live in.
by
Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield

Stay mad kiddo, good luck in school.

>>31795374
>vatnik tries to do math
Stick to doing meth, it obviously works out better for you.
Learn about sample size, you don't need to observe the entire population to infer significant facts.
By observing a few thousand individuals randomly selected you can be 99% confident that your findings apply to the population at large.
This is how we know russians are subhuman scum.

>>31795530
>>By observing a few thousand individuals randomly selected you can be 99% confident that your findings
>>randomly selected
>>RANDOMLY

That is how we know, burgers are just dumb elementary grade niggers.

>>31795530
you are the only one, acting as subhuman scum here, nigger.

>>31784581
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html
You are welcome.

>>31795541
Constructing a proper sample and doing a valid statistical analysis might be beyond the savage troglodytes in russia but for actual humans it's easy.

>>31795556
>NO U
Vatnik plz

>>31795049
>3) How it should be. Check EVERY man and woman in a country in a clinic, form the result.
>hurp durp dum burgers, everyone lies, truth is an unapproachable ideal, there is no statistical significance unless your sample size is 100%

Jesus, this is like watching drunk trailer trash try to explain quantum mechanics.
Vatnik redefines statistics because he's unhappy with his country being portrayed for the hellhole it is.
You just can't make this shit up.

>>31795612
Funniest thing, The Russian (or whoever he is), living in Russia, provide photos and info. However, Americans, living in US of A, that never being in Russia for their short lives, explaining to that said Russian, that his country is hellhole. The thought that he knows better never crossed your mind?

>>burgers teaching everyone, how to live

Modern /k in a nutshell. That`s the reason I rarely post in last few years.

>>31795658

I'm not a burger you stupid clown. I'm from one of the countries that have experience with Kremlin running things. I've been to Russia through Ukraine, both are incredible shitholes.
Now let's just sit and watch your fetal alcohol syndrome brain switch from "uneducated burger" rhetoric to "irrelevant country that shouldn't even really be sovereign" rhetoric.

>>31795658
I've been to russia and I can confirm russia is a man made he'll on earth.
Novosibirsk kills you slowly by its sheer depressing atmosphere alone.

>>31795658

https://news.vice.com/article/russias-aids-epidemic-reaches-crisis-levels

feel free to stop posting, :^)

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>>31795691
>>31795692
>>31795721
Same shitty sourse, same stupid rethorics... Same fag, I guess. Lame.

>>31784581

Russia has 140 milklion people and a GDP of $2 trillion. the EU has 400 million people and GDP of $16 trillion. Russia is only a threat to Europe because Europe lets it be a threat to Europe.

The Baltic States and Poland need to use German guilt to force the Germans to provide the kind of Military Power to serve as a gaurantor of their autonomy instead of letting the Germans use German war guilt to chronically shirk out of their duties as a regional power.

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>>31795737
>there is no possible way multiple people would disagree with me!

Okay, lel. You know, I used to hate Russians for what they did to my country and Europe in general, but now I just pity you.
You're a nation of serfs on a jerky suicidal course throughout the last century, and the only thing you despise and envy more than your own people is the West that's at fault for every shitty thing that ever happens to you.
You're, quite literally, white niggers.

>>31791489
Well, you seem to have unraveled my plan for November 9...

>>31795737
>individual tax rates
Of course they can't tax the pittance you call income the same way as the civilized world, or they'd have to let you out on pasture for dinner. :^

>>31795759
Ok, I`m wrong, there are at least 2 of you on this board. Or you are shitposting from 2 workplaces, lol. Considering same copy-pasted rusophobic replies in different treads, really make you think.

>>31785527
>>31785642
Yes, we have homeless people in France, friend. It's because we don't have gangs of teenagers torturing them to death for fun like in Russia.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9b_1312640918
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f8a_1308772420
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e6_1305649406&comments=1

>>31795979
>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9b_1312640918
oh yes

this is the kind of shit I want to see

>>31795996
Untermensch stabs his Volksgenosse. Thats what Untermenschen do.

>>31785813

Btw she's an MP in Russian Duma now.

>>31784581
Unite into one eastern block country

>>31796229
>Unite into one eastern block country
With Moscow as capital of the new country, wait

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>>31795829
>Considering same copy-pasted rusophobic replies in different treads, really make you think.
>rusophobic

Oh, but I don't fear Russia. Russia is a bit like a hobo who gets dead drunk, starts waving a shank around while yelling threats, then breaks down crying about how no one likes him and everyone has abandoned him, and eventually falls asleep and pisses himself. There is a bit of pity, lots of disgust, but definitely not fear.

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I want to add that I can dislike Russia and their practices without wanting to have to go to war with them.

I'd be very content with not going to war with them in fact. That said I would gladly provide Poland and other Baltic states with some military aid and logistics to help them gird themselves better against Russian aggression and imperialism.

>>31784615
Neutrality doesn't exist because Russians think neighboring countries are really Russian property, to be used as buffer zones.

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Slavs killing Slavs

>>31785188
>those people standing in the middle of what I guess is the highway

>>31796746
High one - is the cop. Small one - is the "highlander" driver of the truck (seen in the right side of the photo). Truck managed to hit the car, and cops are at work.

>>31788957
~80% of HIV/AIDS victims are Russian speakers in Estonia, when the population of them is about 1/3. They have a huge drug problem.

>>31796597
This means that if you leave Russians unchecked they will eventually try to expand to the entire world.

>>31785172
>Moldova 35
>Russia 28
I think it is really shitty stats

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>>31796996

They've tried and failed spectacularly.

>Every statistic is a lie! Every one! It doesnt matter that they are consistent through decades or done by different associations! All lies! Damn those US of A people, alway bringing poor Russia down! USSR was a peaceful, united country! Russia today is so much better than other parts of Europe! 30 000 homeless children in St. Petersburg? No komrad, they do not exist. Estimated that there are around 2-4 million homeless children in Russia? No komrad, see these pictures, are there any homeless people? Instead you should look at this homeless person in x city in Western Europe!

>Russian troops in Ukraine? No komrade, all west lies! Russian troops disappearing and winding up dead in "accidents" during the said Ukrainian conflict? No komrade, its just rough army training, unlike in USA! See, look at these pictures of NATO troops in Middle-East!

Vatniks and serbs are scum.

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>>31799164
>Vatniks and serbs are scum.
Dude. There is one big problem.
>30 000 homeless children in St. Petersburg? No komrad, they do not exist. Estimated that there are around 2-4 million homeless children in Russia? No komrad
This did not exist in USSR. And IF you force people to see problems of capitalistic Russia they will turn to only one who solved all that problems before.

>>31799240
Yeah sure, extreme poverty (=homelesness) didnt exist, because it was outlawed. So no problem there, its solved. We just stuff these homeless people in these barracks at workcamps, and they stop being homeless. Simple and effective, the Soviet way!

Beslan was justified.

>>31799164
>Vatniks and serbs are scum

This anti-slav attitude on /k/ has gotten really bad lately ever since it started something like a year and a half ago. It's almost impossible to discuss Non-Western arms and the like at this point without shitposters ruining it.

What happened?

>>31799449
Ukrainians and turks happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JClYkkcwLaw

>>31784581
The baltic states need to unify.

Yes, there are challenges. But these are worth it and in the long run not that difficult to overcome.

>Language
Making English a fluent second language from a young age will deal with this situation and will also help ease trading and relationships with other countries. Everyone loves a country who can speak near perfect English.

>Currency
It's a good chance to get rid of coins and go with notes and plastic only. It would help tourism because prices will be much simpler and easy to understand... The value of the currency should be so low that there is 'cents' or equivalent needed anyway.

>national identity
It's easy to give a new sense of national identity and purpose these days. The younger generations will take to it like wildfire and the old folks will die out anyway.


Merging into one unified state would be great news for NATO and would bring them favor amongst other countries.

>>31799240
>This did not exist in USSR.

Because it was literally fucking illegal to be unemployed, you demented idiot. It was called the "law against parasitism."
If you couldn't do anything (either because you were an illiterate drunk with nowhere to go, OR because you or your close relatives were noncompliant, tried to escape to the west, listened to foreign radio, or were unreliable in dozens of other ways) they gave you a token minimum wage job and stuck you into a concrete box together with others like you. Refusing that job was a felony and you went to jail (if you were lucky and lived in a satellite) or gulag. The last thing the regime needed were people unaccounted for.

t. former soviet satellitefag.

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I'd take the Baltics' alarm a little more seriously if they boosted their defense spending. You've got frightened civilians in those little countries forming civil defense units on their own dime, but the government yawns and keeps spending on Eurofaggot-style social programs instead of armaments. It's like they've decided to preeemptively surrender.

This is not our fight, folks. We can't do this any more.

>>31799449
You need to only look at this thread to find the answer

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>>31785898

>>31799449
>This anti-slav attitude on /k/ has gotten really bad lately
>What happened?
Vatnik and russian paid troll invasion happened through ukraine conflict. They already tried and done so much garbage here, that even rather neutral posts around russian stuff are seen as just the next try to start same garbage again and sadly it is quite often correct to think so. They dig their own grave.

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>>31799449
>poor Russia is getting bullied again, we dindu nuffin
Now I feel kind of bad for the the Russians and other slavaboos who want to have some genuine serious discussion but let's not pretend the loud majority of vatniks and /pol/tard fellow travelers don't bring most of this shitposting on themselves.

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>>31785194
You can bullshit those that don't know what to look for. But once one starts really looking, they'll see the lack of parking markings, potholes all around, even though this are couldn't have been built more than 10 years ago, decrepit older buildings with motley balconies in the background. And, 190 and 750 region plates - that's Moscow and around, tovarisch. Totally different from the rest of Russia.

>>31785298
>30 KM from Moscow
>Russia
pick one

>>31795077
...and then he proudly displayed the result of abysmal city planning, with a solid "folk path" trampling the lush green grass.

>>31795658
>said Russian, that his country is hellhole. The thought that he knows better never crossed your mind?
This kind of argument would work well in Russia and North Korea (also, google "appeal to authority") given the lack of other information. However, the rest of the world does have access to information, in particular, from vatniks that display their barbarism all over the Internet (with pride, I should note), so sorry, what this particular anon is trying to do is just a naive spin, totally unconvincing to those who actually know what that shit is about and where to look. Also, he may be genuinely convinced about what he says, in that case all he needs to do is fucking stick his head out of his ass and visit the big bad West once and shut the fuck up.

>>31799972
>those two women pulling the truck like human mares
Okay, it's been a great thread, off to /gif/ now

>>31799393
>Yeah sure, extreme poverty (=homelesness) didnt exist, because it was outlawed.
No extreme poverty was legalized. $400 PER YEAR pensions in 1985? This is USSR for you.

>>31797855
Having fucked up zillions of lives in the process. They need to be stopped this time.

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>>31795737
>13%
>he doesn't know about social security taxes and VAT

>>31785238
I've been to Moscow it's not too bad but it is dirty asf and there's drunks everywhere (had a run in with a drunk guy from tolyatii in the sparo opposite the grave of the unknown soldier). If it wasn't for my Kazakh friend I'd have been screwed tbqh

>>31800222
The real problem around russians is how they always let idiots talk for them for too long, who try to fool everyone with comforting lies around Russia and only after they make them look like fools through the lies or suffered enough, start to tell the truth, because even them are fed up with those idiots. I still remember how russians idiots told everyone how sanctions doesnt had any effects, actually made things better and posted pictures from preselected stores, so everyone didnt see the empty parts of the shelfs, the raised prices and funny stuff like cheese with anti theft devices. We could hear this for a few weeks until people actually made pictures from average supermarkets, that actually were affected by the sanctions, the russian idiots of course attacked them for doing so, tried to dox them and shame them for telling the evil foreigners how things actually are going in Russia. And the idiots always will go for the same crap:
>How can you know that about Russia? Have you been there?
>It is all a lie by X russophobic

>>31795131
>look comrade, thing is of being built
>economics fine, no worry here

Am I talking to kindergarteners here?

>>31800156

Well the important thing is they have the high traffic two lane human highway there (currently being used by two people and a dog), lel.
They should be thanking the mudslimes that the nation isn't going to die out. Sure, it might not be the Russian Federation anymore at that point but the Russian Kaliphate, but that really might be a net improvement.

>>31800436
But it gets even deeper. Here's my recent discussion with a person from Lugansk (yes, that one):
- You can't lie to us, we live there and we know everything
- So what can you tell me?
- Ukrainian junta is shelling us?
- Were you shelled yourself?
- No
- Then how do you know?
- Come on, it's all over on TV!
- Whose TV?
- Russian TV, we don't have any other

Or another discussion, with someone who's recently been to Crimea:
- Yeah, they're fine.
- But don't they realize they're about to run out of freshwater, with Dnieper's water no longer being delivered to Crimea?
- They're fine now, there's plenty of water.
- For how long?
- <blank stare>

Thing is, they believe this shit. Reminds me of how the parents and friends of drug addicts are often accused of falling for obvious bullshit. The scary truth is that they believe because they're afraid of not believing - the reality is way more grim than the tales. Hence, they lull themselves into oblivion as a way of coping with this shit.

The awakening will be very rude.

>>31801008
What it makes it even worse is how they can think somewhat critical, but only the second they see stuff they dont like. It is like they only know two extremes: sheep like defending of everything and question everything beyond any logic or reality.

>>31795737
Refer to this >>31786619
Only if you're max poor you can be happy with 13% of your income that leaves you enough for basic needs. If you try to live better you'll get taxed pretty hard. Buying shit from internet shops regardless of price will soon have tax.

>>31801182

The best part is they consider themselves the freethinkers and everyone else (i.e. people who don't get their news sources filtered through Roskomnadzor) the sheeple who "believe what CNN tells them." I actually quite enjoy watching Russian state TV channels because it really puts things in perspective (in the sense that you don't have to watch any dystopian horrors afterwards because they'll seem weak). If I got my news from channel 1 and took them at face value, I'd be afraid of stepping outside in Europe for fear of having my throat cut by a horde of mujahideen, my ass subsequently raped by an angry mob of gays forcing random pedestrians to convert to the gay church and have a sex change or be crucified, then getting my flesh eaten raw by homeless junkies, who would afterward sell the rest of my rotting corpse along with their aborted fetuses to Hillary Clinton for use in satanic rituals. I'm not even joking, remember how they made up a story from the scratch about Ukrainian troops crucifying a Russian toddler and forcing his mother to watch while she was being dragged behind a tank?

>>31801333
There is so much glory about russian media: The one time were russian rebels "found" that fake Stinger in a chest with "US AMPY" on it, with writings from Battlefield and serial number from Operation flashpoint on the stinger itself. Or when Russian first state TV with the rest of their media reported that shopped satellite photo which "showed" how a ukraine plane shot down MH17, while the whole internet was already laughing about how faked it was, they brought it a day later on prime time in the TV news.

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>>31801433

Don't forget about the articles that showed photos of empty MRE bags and had massive all-caps headlines "PROOFS OF AMERICAN SPECIAL OPERATIVES AND MERCENARIES IN UKRAINE," kek.

https://topwar.ru/46750-naemniki-suhpayki-i-mi-6-dokazatelstvo-raboty-zapadnyh-specsluzhb.html