>watching final debate >fear of Assault Weapon Ban

>>31737250
tru

I think it;s clear that if a ton of dead kids and fags didn't do anything, probably nothing will.

At least on the federal level

>>31737276
We used to have the supreme court.

We are about to see the most "progressive," identity politicking, anti-gun court in history.

Why do people think Hillary gets the final say on the next justice.


Congress has to approve of said justice beford they take a seat.

>>31737328
No matter who she gets in, they will not be someone of which we'd approve.

>>31737276

Still absolutely sucks from a business perspective. How does it work if I'm an out-of-state firearms or ammo dealer and I run afoul of some states law?

What happens to Daniel Defense if they ship a rifle to a California FFL? Do they lose the rifle without reimbursement? Do they get charged with a criminal offense?

What about ammo dealers?

>>31737276
As long as no autistimos or akbars make us look bad, then all is good right?

>>31737328
>implying she won't blackmail those senators she cannot bludgeon or make "deals" with
>implying that over the course of 8 years the senate will NEVER gain a democrat majority

>>31737347
Vote trump. While we know exactly what we are getting with hilldog at least we have a chance with trump.

>>31737347
The sate of california will take them to court. The state can seize assets within the state.


If you had the deepest pockets. You could then challenge in a federal court that California was in violation of interstate commerce clause. But it would be tried in the 9th circuit in California. So...

>>31737341
I only saw one candidate mention "internet loophole". Maybe someone can explain wtf that means.

>>31737276

Obama is a ball-less scrotum. He has no resolve.

Hillary is a sociopathic cunt that has shown she will literally kill people who endanger her image.

>>31737402

Great, so every gun or ammo business must keep completely up-to-date on 50 different state's legislatures at all times. And God help you if large numbers of cities begin enacting bans.

>>31737429

You can buy guns online and they'll ship to a licensed FFL where you must fill out a 4473 for a background check.

This is a loophole because it's a way you can buy a firearm.

>>31737450
Not wanting to doubt you on the sociopathic cunt part, but can you give me good credible sources that she killed people?

>ragheads

Don't count as people.

>>31737457
Thats how it has been for awhile. Im sure these companies have lawyers on their payroll making sure they stay well within the boundaries of the law.

>>31737464
How is that a loophole? You still need a background check.

>>31737481
Its not a loophole. Its a dumb liberal buzzword used to scare the masses into voting D.

>>31737450
She was also the secretary of state and it still didn't get done.

>>31737481
The "loophole" is that you can still buy a firearm

They'll call anything a loophole until they're appeased, which is when guns are banned

>>31737498
Oh gotcha, I thought you were agreeing with the libshills, carry on

>>31737481
Exactly.

See, you now have this thing called a "fact". Be careful using it, because some people seem to gave a bit of an allergy to them.

>>31737429
The loophole are private sales on websites like armslist

They host private sales which depending on your state can be completely legal, and FFL holder listings.

The "loophole" is the fact that private sales which in some states are entirely legal and don't require a form 4473 but they push so hard for "universal background checks" and that defeats the purpose of private sales.

Let's say you have a pocket knife I want to buy. Let's say I have cash, and you want to sell it. So I exchange money for goods, private enterprise, private sale. What "universal background checks" aim to do is make it so that we would have to go to a licensed knife dealer so that I can be told I'm not a felon before I can possess the knife.

>>31737481
She might have been talking about sites like armslist where you can meet people to buy guns.

Even that isn't a loophole. You still cant get it shipped directly to your door. It must be face to face.

>>31737391
For sure.

#MAGA

I often think, "who benefits."
Who benefits from the belief that they are actually going to try to take or ban guns out of your hands? Certainly not the dems. They never say that. They say words like "comprehensive background checks" and "loophole". It's ok if you disagree that we need to change those things... I might agree with you. But the dems don't say more, at least Hillary doesnt. So who benefits in saying that they want more? The very people that say it the most. The NRA and gun salesmen. So the people that stand to gain the most are the ones saying it in the first place. I've worked in gun stores and own over 50 guns. I just don't buy the scare tactics and hyperbole from the NRA. They want us to believe. I worked in a gun store when Obama was elected. It's the same shit every time, get gun owners riled up to support the NRA and buy more guns. Just think. Who benefits?
Just my .02 friends

>>31737457
>Idaho's legal gun book will just be a pamphlet with a green check mark next to a generic gun outline

>Alaska invents webm in paper form just to laugh

And thats how commiefornia cuts itself off from every shipment not going to LE

>>31737670
>Just my .02 friends
More like your .50; thanks for Correcting the Record.

>>31737670
This reminds me of an old saying "just because you can't prove they are out to get you doesn't mean they aren't". Except in this case we CAN prove that people like shillary will try to take our guns. So fuck off with your implications that the NRA is generating controversy just for some money. They ain't saints, but at least they've actually been standing up for our rights in congress.

>>31737670
.02 cent has been deposited into your account, compliments of The Clinton Family Foundation.

>>31737725

By all means, we'll keep funding them. But let's not pretend the NRA ILA is in it for little guys like you and me.

The day the Demos give up the push for gun control is the day that donation spigot runs dry for the NRA ILA as well.

>>31737543
Honestly if you just allowed people to run a check with a license or something, why not? There's nothing wrong with that. You probably wouldn't even need to pass a law. Maybe not, but couldn't the President just instruct anyone to be able to call that shit in?

>>31737713
About four years ago we predicted that if/when SHTF crude imageboards will exist via broadcasts on slow scan television

>>31737774
No and no. That defeats the point of a private sale or transfer and the president nor the ATF/FBI has the power or capacity to do those

>>31737761
>So fuck off with your implications that the NRA is generating controversy just for some money. They ain't saints, but at least they've actually been standing up for our rights in congress.

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>>31737670
You're going to be prosecuted along with the rest of them.

>>31737799
Maybe I'm not saying it correctly. Let's say I'm making a private sale but the guy looks sketch, so I dial a number and give them his license number. They come back after a few minutes and say he's good. What's wrong with that?

As far as presidential powers, it's not clear to me where executive power over cabinet agencies ends and the legislative powers begin. I assume we could just let everyone (voluntarily) access the same system that FFL's use.

>>31737857
> so I dial a number and give them his license number
That's exactly what a 4473 is, dumbed down but that's the basic process of it

>What's wrong with that?
Nothing, except that it's defeats the point of a private sale and I can go to an FFL if I'm really that sketched out.

>>31737670

has anyone ever wondered why any self respecting statist cuck would come here of all places?

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What happened at the debate?

>>31737724
>>31737758
>>31737806

I hated 'cuck' when people were throwing that one around like retarded chickens, but I'd rather we went back to that then have me constantly reminding myself that no, people are not misspelling the abbreviation for Creedence Clearwater Revival.

>>31737896
From what I heard it was a shitshow like All the others.

>>31737429
They just mean a site that facilitate private sales. they say "internet loophole" so dummies think that people are buying big scary assault rifles on amazon with no oversight

>>31737880
>Nothing, except that it's defeats the point of a private sale and I can go to an FFL if I'm really that sketched out.
FFLs charge you a fee.

>>31737911
So nothing

Well, here's to hoping Democrats are as lazy as ever and don't vote.

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>he thinks hillary will win


http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/bHH8RcI6/file.html

Trump will win 1.0

Educate yourselfs

>>31737896
if i were to put a theme on tonights debate, it'd probably be
>calling you out on shit
the moderator was pretty unbiased IMO.

>>31737945
Then it sounds like you level of weirdness is only $20, so charge him that much more and go to an FFL

Or use your best judgement and if the guy weirds you out, call the deal off.

>>31737896

Clinton didn't bring up an AWB, which is smart politics on her part.

>>31737962
>http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/bHH8RcI6/file.html

Nigga I aint opening random files on 4chins

>>31737896

Trump had another series of spaghetti spills just like the last two and everything in between.

He's done. Hillary won and she didn't even have to do anything except let him implode.

>>31737896
Trump didn't focus on recent bombshells like the o'keef videos which was a disappointment. And Hillary as far as guns go just said the same shit all other liberals say about "reasonable regulations" and lying about respecting the second ammendment like she did in the second debate. In general, Trump slipped up on playing aggressively from not being that good at navigating his sentences this debate, as well as not bringing much in the way of new things to the table to call her out on. That's what stuck out to me at least. Still not gonna stop me from voting for him honestly, even if I have my doubts as to whether or not he actually won this debate.

>>31737999

Pretty much.

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>>31737991
It's a folder of images explaining why polling is fucked.

>>31737999

>Moderator brings up her "I want open borders"
>Uhm, I meant Energy, and... PUTINPUTINPUTIN

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>>31738017
Kek, pretty much this.

>>31738016

Cant you make a Imguralbum?

>>31737999
yep.
Time to drink.

>>31737999
>Trump had another series of spaghetti spills
And what the fuck did you call that demented tirade Shillary vomited up about Russia being behind everything under the sun?

>>31738033
>Cant you make a Imguralbum?
This is am imageboard son, not plebbit.

>>31738033
http://imgur.com/a/vlq5t

>>31738081
pandering to the boomer and normie vote?
They'll eat it up fine. America = great, Russians are the bad guy in James Bond movies.

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>>31738061
>*buuurp*

>>31738103
>Dade County

It's Miami-Dade County now.

>America is great because its good

Jesus fuck Hillary

>>31738103
Thanks.

>>31737250
I think if shillary gets elected there will be no ban on assault weapons

We all know that she is corrupt af and i think the gun lobby has enough cash to convince her to not push an assault weapons ban

>>31738103

thanks mate

>>31738176
>i think the gun lobby has enough cash to convince her to not push an assault weapons ban
Bloomberg has more.

>>31738123
funnily enough, I settled on the rest of a bottle of pinot noir left over from a steak pan sauce earlier this week

>>31738119
No one wants to fight fucking Russia.

>>31737391
>implying we don't have historical evidence of Trump fucking people over as well

>>31737774
>>31737799

If I could perform a call to NICS on my own I would do so voluntarily. I do not want a federal law requiring it, but I would greatly appreciate if I could call NICS myself.

This is impossible, however, due to the stress it would put on the already flooded NICS system.

>>31737909
>constantly reminding myself that no, people are not misspelling the abbreviation for Creedence Clearwater Revival.
underrated post

>>31737250
How bad was it? I didn't even know it was today. Did Trump say more stupid anti gun shit?

>>31738588
No its just the regular post debate shillfest.

>>31738606
>pointing out Trump's fuckups is "shilling" now.

>>31738763
Its all just so inconsequential when hes the best candidate to preserve our constitutional rights, so what the fuck does it matter if he didn't do well at a debate.

>>31738783
>to preserve our constitutional rights
Except for all the rights he doesn't.

Including freedom of speech, since he basically wants to make it illegal for people to say mean things about him.

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>>31737493
>Secretary of State
>Somehow involved in domestic policy

Uh, no. Take a lap.

>>31738818
Nice buy in to the media narrative, except that the freedom of the people to bear arms kinda preserves all their other rights, if the government is actually taking steps to disarming the populace they dont have people best interests at heart.

>>31737250
This is why I'm focusing my spending on things that might get banned.

I can pick up a bolt action 22 later. The scary guns are priority.

I don't know who's worse

Trump posters

Or hills hills

Or johnsonites

Or jillshills.

Like nigga what the fuck is happening in this country.

>>31738849
I dont know, its like some people like having rights and want the candidate who will best preserve them be in power, crazy right?

>>31738849
Spoken like a teenager who doesn't know shit about this country.

>>31738858
>>31738860
You honestly think a megalomanic like Trump (or Hillary) is going to protect your rights.

How fucking delusional are you people.

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>implying the most powerful lobby in the history of American politics is going to go quietly into the night

>>31738873
You have let the propaganda get the best of your wits instead of looking at their actual political stances.

>All these people believing mainstream media pro hillary propaganda
you disgust me /k/

Anyone think this debate and 1st were boring and 2nd was only interesting one?

>>31738904
To anybody that would still deny the level of corruption going on this election I can only say to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

>>31738887
Explain how I let the propaganda get the best of me.

Trump is bullshitting you people as much as Shillary is bullshitting this nation.

>>31738904
my friends on normiebook

>omg trump said he wouldnt support hilliary if she won thats literally a threat to democracy

meanwhile clinton is literally having illegals fill out voting applications and busing them around so they can vote multiple times

>>31738958
I really can't stand listening to either of them (but especially Trump), so I have watched very little of the debates.

>>31738965
>it's another James O'Keefe cut up video footage episode
No thanks, I remember how the last ones turned out.

>>31738974
>busing
the ones dumping shit on the street?

>>31737328
> Congress has to approve of said justice beford they take a seat.
Wrong. Only the Senate does and Democrats are on the brink of gaining a majority there.

>>31738983
These videos are explicitly of people admitting to conspiring for the Clinton campaign. There are no cuts.

>>31737962
I hope so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

>>31737962
You are so mathematically wrong it's not even funny or entertaining. It is very likely you're going to kill yourself on November 8th. Seek help.

>>31739007
>these videos are explicitly of people doing X
Just like the previous videos he released?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-we-should-have-a-25-percent-tax-on-guns-n2049256
http://beta.hotair.com/archives/2015/10/05/hillary-when-im-president-were-closing-the-gun-show-loophole-whether-congress-wants-to-or-not/?utm_source=hafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=haupdate
http://www.atr.org/hillary-1993-lets-double-gun-tax
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-20/hillary-clinton-believes-pivotal-gun-rights-ruling-was-wrong-adviser-says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/07/the-no-fly-list-is-a-terrible-tool-for-gun-control-in-part-because-it-is-a-terrible-tool/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf
https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/04/21/clinton-vows-to-spend-every-single-minute-as-president-to-change-gun-culture/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY&feature=youtu.be
http://downtrend.com/71superb/hillary-clinton-says-americans-deserve-better-than-the-right-to-bear-arms?utm_source=fnot2&utm_medium=faceboo
you're welcome for this pasta, /k/

>>31738983
>Hurr that video is fake!

>>31737328
>Placing your future in the hands of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel
it's a bold strategy, let's see if it works

>>31738996
>On the brink
>Don't currently have

K.

>>31739039
Why would the Dems be firing people if it was all fake?

>>31738843
>it's alright that the guy we support is against people's rights, because he's keeping the 2nd Amendment
I always have a hard time believing this, every fucking time it's brought up, because it seems entirely more likely that you're just going to keep going along with glorious leader.

Also...
>Media Narrative
>http://fortune.com/2016/02/29/trump-libel-law/
Yeah, things Trump actually said are "media narrative" now.

>>31739038
[.50 cents have been deposited into your account]

>>31739052
Are you fucking unaware of how elections work? If Dems control the White House and Senate, which is by far the most likely outcome as of this moment, then they will have the ability to confirm to the Supreme Court anyone of Clinton's choosing when the new term starts in January. If that is the case, the ONLY thing Senate Republicans can do to prevent a more liberal justice from being confirmed is to confirm Garland during the lame duck session.

>>31739071
Like I said. The overwhelming body of methemaitcal evidence proves you wrong and you will die by your own hand on election night when you realize how wrong you were. This isn't about feeling, nigger. This is about facts. And the fact is that Clinton is winning even though that is clearly not what the vast majority of /k/ wants to happen. Period.

Grow the fuck up and learn to separate your emotions from facts, even when the facts are upsetting to you.

>>31738843
>except that the freedom of the people to bear arms kinda preserves all their other rights
>supports a candidate who wants to shit on the constitution
Wasn't there just a thread about people like this a few hours ago?

>>31739042
>"everything Clinton ever says must be considered!"
>Trump says all kinds of stupid, offensive, or downright un-Presidential things
>Shut up libruls, you can't bring up things he said years ago!

>>31739075
Senate majority is Red for the next two years.

So again.

>On the brink
>Don't currently have

You're telling me it's gonna take 2+ years to get a new justice on in the seat?

>>31739089
Thank you for correcting the record

>>31738877

>the most powerful lobby in the history of American politics

Oil?

Pharma?

UAW?

The NRA is absolutely tiny compared to most lobbying groups in America.

>>31737250
I hope you get banned for positing a gun control/politics thread.

>>>/pol/

>>31737670
"who benefits?"

Americans who care about the right to bear arms, for starters.

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>>31739062

>>31739066
> The mainstream media has been blasting Trump from day 1
> Focus exclusively on Trump despite actual crimes of the Clinton's being reveled
> Media refuses to run damning material on Hillary

So your saying this isnt a bullish bias is ok for these organizations to hold?

>>31738877
NRA is not the boogeyman that the liberals make it out to be. Their greatest power is causing tens of millions or over a hundred million gun owners to panic.

>>31739109
kys

>>31739094
> wants to shit on the constitution

Yea the Clinton's love the constitution, haven't done things againsed to the constitution in the past at all nope.

>>31739097
No it isn't you fucking dumbass. Betting markets, and pollster averages have think Dems will retake the Senate based on the aggregated polling. That means a Dem controlled Senate in January 2017. House will almost certainly remain Republican with a reduced majority and a question of who will be speaker given Ryan's struggle to control the Trump wing and Freedom Caucus win of the party.

>>31739100
Thanks for saying math doesn't exist. I'd bet anything you don't believe in gravity either.

>>31737250
>>>/pol/

Fuck off cunt.

>>31739113
>Forbes is part of the conspiracy against Trump
Just like Fox news, right?

>>31739129
>b-but what about Clinton
Not an argument when Trump had enough support to get through the primaries despite wanting to shit on the constitution. The current events aren't happening in a vacuum.

>>31739156
simply screaming "MATH" is not an argument
[Your account has been debited for 25 cents]

>>31739138
K

>>31739170
When realistically we are going to either be seeing a Trump presidency or a Clinton presidency, you would think that the people who frequent a weapons board would be interested in the candidate most likely to keep their right to posses weapons.

>>31739190
You literally didn't back up your claims with a single numerical fact. IT's a fact that conservative-leaning, centrist, and liberal-leaning polls almost all universally show Clinton ahead.

This includes the likes of Rasmussen, Gravis, IBD, Quinnipac, etc on the conservative side and the likes of YouGov, Marist, Monmouth, etc on the left leaning side, along with damn near everything in between.

In the modern polling era, there has never even been close to an average polling error the size of the average Clinton lead.

>>31739229
Realistically Trump doesn't have a chance, so it's pretty academic at this point as to who would be friendlier to guns.

>>31739236
there is literally zero utility is trying to reason with the unskewed polls crowd

>>31739236
>modern polling era
there's your problem right there, because it's not like polls don't have ingrained biases, like the types of people who answer them, etc etc

>>31739229
>you would think that the people who frequent a weapons board would be interested in the candidate most likely to keep their right to posses weapons.
I'm concerned with more freedoms than just guns rights, and I'll throw my vote at a 3rd party and tell the Republican party to go fuck themselves before giving it to someone who does a half ass job of supporting gun rights and shits on the other rights I consider to be just as important (such as internet freedom and stopping the current mass spying in the US).

>>31738225
You have the recipe?
I've had burgundy pepper steak before and it's amazing beyond words. Best steak I've ever cooked was marinated that way.

>>31739403
I second wanting this recipie

>>31739256
>because it's not like polls don't have ingrained biases, like the types of people who answer them, etc etc
try rereading his post again

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>>31739403
Nah, it was kind of spur of the moment. Most of my recipes are barely measured, but come out well.
Get some cheap steaks that look OK at the market. A bunch of mushrooms, pearl onions, carrots, a dry-ish pinot, and anything else that strikes your fancy.
Trim the pearl onions, give the m a minute boil, and remove skins. Peel carrots, slice mushrooms.
Sear the steaks in a oiled cast iron skillet. Get a good brown on one side and flip. Monitor the temperature with a food thermometer. Don't want them getting overcooked- I try to make sure the max temperature in the thickest part of the steak does not exceed 130F. Temperature will rise slightly after pulling them off, anyways. Put steaks on a plate and tent with foil.
without letting the pan cool, throw in vegetable. After a minute or 2- when the onions look close to done- add a few cloves of chopped garlic and a few tspn of thyme leaves. When the spices are aromatic and the garlic is golden- 30-50 sec- add in some stock and wine. Probably a half cup of each, it doesn't really matter. Stir up anything on the bottom of the pan into the sauce, add a packet of unflavored gelatin, a bay leaf, bring to a simmer. After it's simmered 15 minutes, season with salt, a ton of pepper, MSG (marketed as 'Accent' seasoning in the market), and a bit of soy sauce for a subtle undertone. Return steak and juices to the pan to warm. Garnish with parsley. Enjoy with crusty bread.
Explain to female companion bullshit about "interplay of flavors" and "umami" to act like some great chef while drinking wine.

>>31739498
Muh "READING COMPREHENSION"
try again CTR

Reminder that in the leaked speeches Hillary said she will use executive order to bring in gun control and manufacturing liability. Place your bets on which company announces they are exiting the civilian market first.

>>31739573
Colt

>>31739573
>implying those leaks aren't bullshit
>implying Obama wouldn't have pushed through universal background checks by executive order some time in the past 8 years if it was at all possible
>inb4 muh supreme court and ridiculous claims of how the court will give the president the power to create new laws by executive order and turn the president into a dictator

>>31739617
Oh wow guys this CTR shill is defective.

>>31739510
oh and i forgot- season steak heavily with salt and fresh ground pepper before cooking

>>31739655
Outside of saving money by not buying a ribeye... Why do that instead of sautéing some veggies and baking some sliced potatoes with herbs de province, then searing a ribeye for 2 minutes each side on a wood fire around 500 degrees?

>>31739780
A- the shoulder chuck steak was $3.50/lb
2) I can't be fucked to build a wood fire to cook steaks on a tuesday. Hell, I don't even put the much effort into any cooking, unless we're talking roasting whole pigs in pits or whatever.
it's pretty much the same recipe, with all the corners cut twice. Lots of the same flavors, just overall lower quality

>>31739633
>can't refute his point

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>>31739807
>I can't be fucked to build a wood fire to cook steaks on a tuesday.
That's half the fun for me. But I understand. If I make steaks on a stove top it's usually New York strips in a cast iron full of butter with a dry rub of salt, pepper, garlic pepper, and rosemary.
Pic is last time I made some ribeyes two weeks ago. I'm gonna try that recipe you gave.

>>31738588
>Did Trump say more stupid anti gun shit?

>NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY

>>31740079
Did he give any details? He could want NY like requirements for a national carry permit for all I know.

>>31740033
That looks really good.

Usually when I get steak it's sirloin at around 5.40, 5.99 a lb?

Pricey but generally a good cut that is forgiving enough.
Roommate moved out though and took their little grill with them. Damn shame, because I made some really nice steaks with it. And brats.

>>31740181
Thanks m8. I have a big ass smoker with a trailer hitch for cooking briskets and pork shoulders but I usually cook steaks on my store bought smoker. And some glorious brats with grilled peppers and onions.
I don't buy grocery store meat that often I'm in Texas so beef is cheap. I either buy a side of beef from one of my two buddies that keep cattle or get $7.99/lbs ribeyes from Randall's or $5.99/lbs NY strips from HEB.

>>31740215
Nice.
I usually do have to go to the grocery store unfortunately.
They've got real meat there though, and a real deli.

I haven't been to my local smokehouse/meat shop in ages though. Used to love that place. The smell was always the best part.

>>31737475
Benghazi, two shots to the head suicide, Clinton hit list. Get to google

>>31737250
>>>/pol/

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PA here. My two choices for Senate are a raging, Hillary-tier lefty cunt or a traitorous neocon globalist snake.
No matter who wins, PA is 100 percent fucked.

>>31739256
God damn you're fucking stupid. He straight up gave you examples of polls that have Republican leaning biases and polls that have Democratic leaning biases. If you bothered to do less than 1 minute of research, every single one has Clinton ahead on average.

>>31740223
Nice digits. Local meat shops are great, always worth a try for good cuts.
To make this discussion on topic, if you ever do any deer hunting in Texas south of I-20 don't overdo it on the caliber. Deer down here are small bodied. An AR in 5.56 is the most versatile gun you can own alongside a good pump 12 gauge with a long barrel.

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>>31737250
R8

>>31737934
Its pretty irritating to me how every time they refer to a legal method to buy a gun they call it a "loophole."

Its almost like they think we are a bunch of deplorable losers sneaking around behind good obedient law abiding johnny q public's back exploiting all these "loopholes" all over the place.

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I'm British and wanted to move to the US.

If Clinton gets in and ruins gun rights then I may have to reconsider :(

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>>31738996
>dems take majority
>Hilldawg puts Gungrab Von Grabheimer up for scotus, he gets in
>nothing actually happens but we get another 4 to 8 years of record gun sales because a large % of gun owners are panicky children

>>31741030
In reality hillary will be entering with low-approval ratings nearing nixon levels, and knows pissing off the republicans too much will result in the same TEA party style backlash that fucked obama's big plans over.

She will pander to her constituents by tossing a few executive orders out that immediatley get challenged and tied up in the courts and dont accomplish anything except being PR pieces.

Meanwhile the panic buyers cause prices to triple on everything and .22 LR dissappears from the shelves again.

>>31741030
The one ironic thing about gun control policy is that just the fear of it leads to the sale and proliferation of even more guns. Manufacturers and retailers aren't stupid..... I imagine they have been building inventory in advance of this election.

>>31737670
This is a furphy, the only reason they don't openly say they want a full gun ban is because it's unpalatable. The democrats have been taped several times openly saying amongst themselves that these "common sense measures" are only the first step on the road to civilian ownership being banned, like boiling a frog.

>>31737999
>He's done. Hillary won and she didn't even have to do anything except let him implode.

That's been her strategy the whole time, since hardly anyone is voting her because they like her. She just looks better than the alternative.

The fact that people in the Republican primaries voted for Trump just shows how stupid Republican voters are.

>>31741029
If Trump gets in and some magical shit reopens the machine gun registry i'll fucking swim there.

>>31740234
Go snort some polonium, faggot

>2016
>Being this worried about our gun rights already
The second amendment dying a slow and humiliating death. How many years do you think it has left before it is a total disgrace/obliterated? It's only a matter of time, just like how Shillary is going to walk right into the presidency come election day.

>>31741062

What's with you echo chamber CTR shits?

No-fucking-body is moving from Trump to Hillary, they either decide to not go at all or go Johnson.

>>31741775
That counts as a win in their book.

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>>31737328
>he doesn't know Heller

>>31741789

But less voters only hurts Hillary since her base is so tiny as it is?

>>31741823
He base consist of women and non-white voters. That's a pretty sizeable base.

>>31741832

A sizable base of people who historically don't turn out

>>31741849
They will for this election.

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Some of you may not be old enough, but I was around for the first ban during her husband, and it was insane.

CTR on here saying "It will never happen" are just trying to pacify you, make you more complacent and docile so you will not vote.

If you care about your gun rights you need to vote for Trump. Clinton is openly hostile to the 2nd and any "Assault Weapons". She would literally fuck everyone who owns a gun, and future generations as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-20/hillary-clinton-believes-pivotal-gun-rights-ruling-was-wrong-adviser-says

>>31737475
Benghazi is not enough?
Also whole Libya shit.

>>31741030
Sounds like a good thing to me.

>>31741047
>same TEA party style backlash that fucked obama's big plans over.
Fox news will push another political movement full of stupid old people who will pull the party even farther to the right leading to a super Donald Trump to destroy the party further, while anyone to the left of Nixon will look agape in horror?

>>31741880

If you're old enough to remember '94, then you're old enough to remember how rare it was to see an AR at the rifle range. Last time I looked down the line, it was 7/10 ARs, 2 bolt actions, and 1 lever. All the major manufacturers produce the Stoner action now.

You also probably remember how that directly led to the Republican's trouncing Democrats in the House and Senate races back in '94.

"The political price for passing the ban included the loss of Congress to the Republicans in 1994, endangering Clinton’s agenda, and creating the partisan conditions on Capitol Hill that produced his own impeachment. Even Clinton himself, looking back on the assault weapon ban in his memoir, My Life, concluded that he had likely “pushed the Congress, the country, and the administration too hard.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/when-bill-clinton-passed-gun-reform/488045/

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>>31739095
>Let's ignore what presidential candidates say

>>31741871

Nope.~

>>31737999

thanks for correcting the record, friend.

what the fuck happened to /k/? did we get infiltrated by CTR or are you people genuinely this spineless? Reagan was 12 points behind when he won in 1980, but he certainly didn't win by having everyone sit at home because they decided voting was pointless.

you people are going to give the election (and thus your guns) to Shillary on a silver platter. remember your decision when we all get drafted and sent to die in a war with Russia.

>>31738818

last I checked, he wasn't the one who shut down WikiLeaks.

>>31742234
Shills are pressing hard today. Hardest I've seen in a while now.

>>31742171
>increasingly nervous Trump supporter

>>31741729

what happened to the good old days when we could execute defeatist scum like you?

>>31741832

daily reminder that 50% of women in this country are pro-life. trump knew exactly what he was doing starting the last debate off with his stance on abortion.

>>31742279
And they're going to vote for the guy who mentioned grabbing women by the pussy, sure.

>>31742234
Massive CTR infiltration. Believe or not this place here is very influential when it comes to defending the 2nd Amendment.

>>31742253

thanks for correcting the record, friend!

*$0.50 has been wired to your account*

>>31742290

nice argument, friend. Imagine how progressive it will be when a woman starts the first nuclear war! it is 2016, after all.

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>>31737475

>>31742331
Women don't care about foreign policy.

Women, like most liberals and non-white voters, are far more concerned with social issues.

WWIII is irrelevant when one of the candidates of the two major parties is saying racist shit. Don't you get it?

>>31742357

that's not very tolerant of you, insulting women's intelligence like that.

>>31742234
>>31742331
>honestly believing Hillary is going to try to start WWIII
How are you people this retarded? There is no one out there who would benefit from a nuclear war with Russia sans people who want to want to live out their end of their world fantasies and would quickly realize how stupid the are.

>>31742379

are you so stupid to not see that Syria could easily escalate into a war with Russia? all this talk about a "no-fly zone" LITERALLY equates to shooting down Russian aircraft.

>>31737250
This is the main reason i would have voted for trump. Unfortunately I missed the registration deadline and cannot vote although I doubt it would matter. I'm pretty sure Hillary has somehow managed to buy the electoral college.

>>31742337
Oh boy, I'm gonna post this on Imghurr just to bask on the shitstorm.

>>31742442
>all this talk about a "no-fly zone" LITERALLY equates to shooting down Russian aircraft.
It wouldn't be the first time that happened and definitely won't be the last.

>>31742371
He's right tho, women are all about taking everyone in and taking care of all the world's problems, non-cukced men are far more pragmatic and understand that their country is not a free-for-all all-you-can-eat buffet.

>>31738877
Drake posters need to kill themselves. This is one of the shittiest memes straight out of the normiesphere

>>31738983
Yeah, it's fake obviously.

>>31737999
lol, the only time CTR can get trips is on a board stuffed with furfags and dragon dildos

>>31738783
>Trump preserve constitutional rights

Don't delude yourself; the only thing good about him from a right wing perspective is that we won't be getting the jackboot to the same extent.

>inb4 "thank you for correcting the record"

If you want a hugbox, fuck off back to r eddit

>>31742504
Make me proud anon

>>31741880
Not only is she congenial to any second pass, revamped AWB, her mouthpieces have said on her behalf that she would go after handgun ownership. Basically, Chicago and NYC are the standard for what they want across the country - for now - with eyes toward possibly getting a precedent to allow class action suits against arms and ammunition manufacturers for just about anything. Basically, they want to bankrupt any company that sells on the domestic civilian market; the only ones left standing would be a few foreign companies like Beretta and HK, and obviously companies which are predominantly or wholly subsisting on military contracts.

>>31738338
>implying that isn't why I said "chance" instead of "MUH GOD EMPEROR!!"

>>31740244
Some of those were covered here http://imgur.com/a/vlq5tl
Surprise surprise, they still tend to have more democrats answer.

>>31742716
Yeah, just like Obama was going to pass another assault weapon ban, completely ban handguns like Chicago and Washington DC, and completely ban doing any modification to your gun whatsoever. Why should I believe more of the shit that's been parroted for the past 8 fucking years when most of it was never even considered let alone came close to happening?

>>31742878
Because for the "past 8 fucking years" we've had a growing pro-gun sentiment in the US along side more pro-gun members of congress.

Oh, AND THE FUCKING SUPREME COURT ON OUR SIDE YOU DUMB FUCKING MONG

>>31742976
> we've had a growing pro-gun sentiment in the US along side more pro-gun members of congress
And that's going to change how?

>Oh, AND THE FUCKING SUPREME COURT ON OUR SIDE YOU DUMB FUCKING MONG
That has nothing to do with what's proposed in congress.

>>31737896
>“But here’s the deal. The bottom line on nuclear weapons is that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. There’s about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.”

>>31737457
easy solution? just don't ship to commiefornia and jew york

>>31743035
>change
As other anons have noted, we might lose the senate to anti's. Which is stupidly important because the senate confirms or rejects supreme court justices. Then killary just needs to apply pressure (blackmail, "back room" deals, the usual) to get shit passed and now you don't have guns. And if she manages to get a AWB with no sunset clause passed (meaning you have to renew it or it goes away automatically), then we'd need to get the support in congress to tell her to fuck off and remove it. At which point her personally selected justices could tell us to fuck off since progressive fucks don't mind legislating from the bench.

Also
>Supreme Court
>Nothing to do with laws proposed in Congress
You're an idiot.

>>31737312
We know they'll de facto revoke the 2nd Amendment, but God only knows how they'll fuck us over abridging the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments. Hillary's policies make me sick!

>>31743035
>That has nothing to do with what's proposed in congress.

No, but if several justices were to retire over the next few years, suddenly you have an SC stack of 5+ liberal judges who will be on the bench for years. Nothing might happen under Hillary, or the next president, but 3-4 terms down the line they may get a second amendment case as big as Heller or McDonald, and it won't go our way. Remember, those justices are in for life.

>>31743103
>we might lose the senate to anti's
Did you somehow manage to forget Obama's first term when the Democrats controlled the Senate with 60 seats yet still couldn't pass shit?

>You're an idiot.
Not an argument. Highly questionable shit that shouldn't stand up in court gets proposed regularly, why should I believe it would be any different for gun laws.

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Should I sell all my preban mags now or wait until after the election?

>Hillary gets fucking Trumped at last debate

>CTR floods 4chan for damage control early morning so they can echo chamber to make it look like anyone agrees with them

Shit writes itself

>>31743206
Because
>NFA
>GCA
>Hughes Amendment
>Clinton (the rapey one) AWB

Going by the precedent that has ALWAYS been around in the Supreme Court, absolutely none of that shit should ever have been passed. Except we've had times were the Supreme Court was not on the side of gun owners for various reasons.

>obummer
Did you forget that we HAD THE SUPREME COURT ON OUR SIDE AT THAT TIME.

You sound just like those shit heads in congress, "Vote hillary and then everyone else Republican, don't worry guys we'll hold the most corrupt person to ever be in politics at bay over the next 8 years with our congressional power! No way this could go wrong!"

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>>31743206
>Did you somehow manage to forget Obama's first term when the Democrats controlled the Senate with 60 seats yet still couldn't pass shit?

And Sandy Hook and the whole antigun scare didn't happen until his second term when there were less Dems in the Senate. Do you honestly think they wouldn't have passed an AWB into law if he had that majority at his disposal in 2013?

>>31743206
>Highly questionable shit that shouldn't stand up in court gets proposed regularly, why should I believe it would be any different for gun laws.

That's not the point. There's always going to be sketchy and questionably unconstitutional laws that are passed. The problem arises from the fact that the Supreme Court is one of the only options we have to fight the most egregious ones, and if Hillary has her picks then we're fucked in that regard. If there had been a liberal majority for Heller or McDonald and it had gone the other way, you would likely have seen the very antigun states like CA, CT, or NY attempting to pass even worse shit than has already been proposed, and it would've been completely in the bounds of the law to do so. In such a case there's no recourse other than the courts because the states are heavily democratically controlled, something that won't change without extremely unlikely demographic shifts.

>>31737250
Guys, I've been a Trump supporter from the beginning, but it's time to admit it... The polls have proven it's impossible for him to win. Just give up. Luckily, the Supreme Court has no chance of affecting our gun rights during the next several decades, and we'd probably be better off with liberal judges in a few cases anyway. And Hillary isn't even a leftist. But that won't matter regardless because congress really has all the power, and I really think we can trust Paul Ryan and the establishment GOP to stand up for the American people. Everything will be fine.

>>31743281
>Hillary gets fucking Trumped at last debate

Both were pretty shitty in the last debate, but to say she got Trumped is delusional.

The system isn't rigged. That's just a conspiracy made up by the Russians. Putin is the leader of the Alt-Right.

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>>31743303
Yes, I agree, fellow Trump supporter.

>>31742337
You left out the time she tried assassinating George W. Bush with a pretzel.

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If someone's going to go VIVA LA REVOLUTION at this point, they should start investing in microbiology and pathology degrees. Nobody can ban those.

>>31743303
Try harder next time.

Take it easy you guys, didn't you know it doesn't matter who gets elected president? They don't have omnipotent power! We all know they are just a puppet to their donors anyway. Or in the case of Trump, a Russian agent! Plus he's orange!!! lol Cheeto Jesus amirite? Please don't vote.

>>31743438
>Please don't vote.
kek

>>31743295
>Because
>>GCA
>>Hughes Amendment
>>Clinton (the rapey one) AWB
Last I checked the Supreme Court has never heard a case relating to any of those, so how is the Supreme Court to blame for them?

>we HAD THE SUPREME COURT ON OUR SIDE AT THAT TIME.
The Supreme Court does not unilaterally rule the country.

>>31743301
>And Sandy Hook and the whole antigun scare didn't happen until his second term when there were less Dems in the Senate
Still doesn't change how there were other things that were supposedly widely agreed upon by the Democrats that still couldn't pass due to opposition.

>There's always going to be sketchy and questionably unconstitutional laws that are passed
Then why weren't most of the things Obama was supposedly going to do even proposed?

>all the cucks in this thread
Don't you cucks know that if Hillary gets elected she'll appoint 6 new supreme court justices that will tilt the Supreme court in her favor for the next 80 years? I hope you cucks are happy with the future of the US as a gunless nuclear wasteland where your daughters are forced to breed with sandniggers as part of government multiculturalism programs and your sons are forced to become trannies and have sex with other boys because that's what's going to happen if Hillary gets elected.

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>>31737250
>tfw already living under AWB tyranny

>>31743301

Because "liberal" judges have never voted conservative on cases and vice versa?

It's important to remember that the Republicans who double-crossed Trump are fucked either way. If Hillary is elected they will be blamed for everything she does. Trump has already destroyed the """conservative""" fake-opposition. A huge portion of Republicans now see the """leadership""" as spineless weaklings who give up at the first sign of trouble. The GOPe will abandon all the new voters Trump brought to the table and continue being practically indistinguishable from the Democrats. Without a change in leadership, they will continue their rhetoric of being """principled""" in the midst of repeated failure.

>>31743634
And don't forget they'll put on a show about being tough on the president, but ultimately cave into pretty much every demand when it comes to brass tacks

>>31738996
>Democrats are on the brink of gaining a majority there

This is where attention needs to be focused. Everyone is crying, "Oh noes! Donald vs Hillary!" Meanwhile Congress, where laws are written and justices confirmed is being snatched.

>>31743663
Given their behavior over the past 8 years, I very much doubt that.

Its not 1996. Stop buying into fear. Stand by your beliefs, educate your offspring and community about your beliefs, and vote in your state and local elections. Stop being a pussy.

>>31743634
>they will continue their rhetoric of being """principled""" in the midst of repeated failure.
This is what I was bringing up in the other thread where you actually had people saying Kasich would have been a surefire win over Hillary. The GOP as they are today is, at least subconsciously, utterly suicidal.

>>31737402
>But it would be tried in the 9th circuit in California. So...

Why? If it's a Texas arms dealer you make the challenge in the Fifth Circuit Court. Which would probably be more than happy to tell the Ninth to go fuck themselves.

>>31743689
Pretty hard to do that when an honest-to-God dictator and her cronies are taking the country over and preventing any sort of education or communication that doesn't fit their agenda. Bizarro Margaret Thatcher and her schemes will make any sort of opposition short of straight-up disobedience impossible. At the very least, her nation-wide SJW brigades will drown out any attempt at rational discourse.
We're not afraid, we're angry.

>>31743689

I own a restaurant and set up staff range days all the time. Even the most liberal noguns will come out and try it.

Guess what? Some of those noguns turned into hasguns, or atleast stopped being anti.

I don't care if they continue to vote democrat, what I want is for them to stop making gun control a prominent issue for the democrats. It's doable if you can educate and show people the benifits of gun ownership instead of demeaning them as pussy libtards.

Don't forget what got Trump the Republican nomination either. Americans have been asking for a wall for 40 years and no one has been able to deliver. If we end up passing amnesty like Jeb! or Rubio would have done, or as Hillary has said she wants to do behind closed doors, that will be 10-20 million more voters. They vote liberal Democrat in high percentages (the second generation even more so) and also disproportionately support gun control.

>>31743410
US, Uk, Straya e CA confirmed for third worlders.

>>31743738

Nobody has been able to deliver a wall because when you look at it seriously it's a huge impractical inneffective waste of money. Even Trump has backed away from the wall because it's never going to happen. You might as well campaign on promising to build a Death Star.

>>31743786
The Wall(TM) is just an easily digestible euphemism for stopping illegal immigration. Stop being an autistic literal faggot.

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>>31737999
>>31737250
>h-h-he lost

Got back to your containment board you stupid nigger.

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>>31743786
Tell that to the Israelis.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Egypt_barrier
>http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169521#.UeXqBUB15DQ

>New Data Shows 99% Drop in Illegal Entry
>The number of illegal entries to Israel from Egypt has dropped by a factor of more than 280.

And even more affordable for the US economy despite the longer border length.

>>31737250
You fear an assault ban on a debate trump clearly won?

>>31743820

It's not even comparable. The amount of money you'd spend to get the manpower and materials to build and properly staff a wall that size far outweighs the amount of money it would save.

Israel is fucking tiny and the border between the US and mexico is fucking enormous.

>>31743829
The shills are out in force to either damage control or correct the record.

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Why do you stupid faggots like your assault rifles so much. Do you really think Russian soldiers are gonna drop from the sky and attack you? Do you really think your ar15 will do anything to a tank?

Really you people make America look bad

>>31738849
i'm voting for Edgar McMuffin and you should, too

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>>31743810
Trump didn't back away. He said there are natural barriers so the wall won't need to be fully constructed along the entire length.

>>31743820
US taxpayers have already spent 500 million on a wall... in Jordan. pic related

Wikileaks revealed that the elites think immigrants are less-informed and more compliant. THAT is why the wall hasn't been built.

>>31738119

Remember that Trump is a puppet of Russia, if you elect trump he will start WW3 with Russia because that's what a puppet of Russia would do

Now if Russia flies any planes over Syria we will delcare war on Russia

t. Killary Clinton.

>>31743847
Seeing how the AR-15 is the most perfect gun ever created, it will be able to wreck russian tanks like no other

>>31741880
yeah, but if trump hates all the other amendments, how can we trust him on the second?

Don't forget who's going to pay for the wall.

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>>31743854
>Wikileaks revealed that the elites think immigrants are less-informed and more compliant. THAT is why the wall hasn't been built.
I suspect you have proof of that claim you can post for everyone here.

>>31743870
ok you go to Russia and go do that GI joe

>>31743883
Nobody, because Trump isn't going to win. Shillary and her ballot-stuffing will ensure that.

>>31743834
1. It's right there in the fucking pic
2. Don't try to compare Israel's border without comparing Israel's economy. It's entirely feasible for the US.

>>31743897
Yeah, no, fuck off CTR. Yes there is massive fraud, and it's coming from the left. But this shit you're spouting is nothing but a cheap demoralizing technique. Go neck yourself

>>31743834

>anywhere from 4-26 billion to build the wall and staff it(Based on various sources)
>less than half of that to maintain it each year
>Illegal immigrants cost the US 100 billion each year.
>No one points out the benefit for Mexico to have a wall on its Northern border
>Mexico deals with less illegal immigration as people stop trying to cross both the Mexican wall and the US wall to get into the US.
>We deport 11-30 million illegals

>>31743897
That's your normalcy bias talking. History shows that things do change. It's okay if that makes you uncomfortable. :^)

>>31743886

Just think about it, You have a large group of uneducated people who come into your country and breed like rabbits, They will vote for you (whole reason the Liberals are trying to push for amnesty) regardless because of Gibs, after a few generations you have a very large voter pool that will continue to vote for you because their parents did...

>>31743931

Unless you have a literal army of people manning every foot of the wall it's completely useless. Add on increased coat guard patrols off the coast of SoCal and in the Gulf and the costs of building a wall skyrocket.

>>31743914
>Don't try to compare Israel's border without comparing Israel's economy.
Yet you try to compare them without comparing the security situation between here and Israel, in particular how if they didn't have that wall it would make staging attacks against them easy and how people would be driving vehicles filled with explosives over the border instead of building shitty rockets which is a problem the US doesn't have.

The wall is impossible. No one has ever built a wall before because they are expensive. Changing the voting demographic is a far-right paranoid racist talking point. Immigrants are natural conservatives.

>>31743949
No, you made a claim that people who want to enter the US illegally would stop because they see a wall when the current dangers don't stop them and climbing a wall is just a minor obstacle. Either back up that ridiculous claim with actual evidence or fuck off.

>>31743921
>demoralizing
>im-fucking plying
You should be demoralized, because it's a hard truth. She's going to win the election, and her stiletto-heeled SJW army will ensure that honest Americans can do nothing about it short of revolt. In which case she'll be the commander-in-chief, so she can call in the National Guard the go "dindu nuffin" about herself and her immigrant agents provocatuers.
More on-topic, an assault weapons ban will actually work in her favor. Honest Americans won't be able to get good weapons from reputable dealers, but the border-hopping cartels and God-knows-who-else can just use their stolen guns. And guess who supports Hitlarry more? Hint: it isn't Americans who buy from reputable gun-owners.
>>31743937
>History shows that things do change.
>B-but...muh heroes do win in the end, b-baka!
Once a closed system is in place, it is impossible to be broken inside the system. Only outside change can end it.

This whole thread is the entrypoint for all CTR shit into /k/.

Mods please move this one on over to /pol/ where it belongs and will be promptly pruned.

>>31743839
no, they're "breaking the barrier"

>>31743956
We can certainly compare the security situation when we take into consideration the cartel criminal activity--cartels that have money and power on the order of governments. Doesn't matter if we caused it, it's a major threat to the citizenry and stability of the US.

>>31743977
Not according to the DNC leaks. That's literally the plan for the democrats to turn Texas blue.

>>31743994
And as I said before, neck yourself, CTR.

>>31743952
>Unless you have a literal army of people manning every foot of the wall it's completely useless.

Funny, that's exactly the opposite of what the Israelis and Jordanians, WHO ACTUALLY HAVE EFFECTIVE BORDER WALLS, have found.

>>31743994
>Only outside change can end it.
Hmm, if only there was a presidential nominee who the entire establishment was against.

>>31744027

Ending the drug war would do more to end cartel activity than a border wall would. I'd rather pay more for high quality legal Cali weed than the shitty mexican ditch weed that everybody has here.

>>31744055
I don't think we can sell cocaine and heroine at the corner store anon. It sucks.

>>31744067

Cocaine and heroin are more expensive but the cartels would suffer far more from loss of demand for weed considering the sheer amount they move currently.

>>31744043

You need less people manning a wall, you just need Central hubs and cameras watching distances. Other countries that have built border walls have seen a reduction in illegal immigration by over 95%.

>>31744027
There's a massive difference between gangs bringing drugs across the border and a group that has declared war on your country reenacting Fury Road with car bombs.

>>31744099

Other countries that have built border walls are exponentially smaller than the United States. This isn't something that scales linearly either loke people are trying to argue.

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>>31744106
>reenacting Fury Road with car bombs.

Help, my keks.

>>31743985

I'm not that person you where arguing with, but the Whole point of Amnesty and allow illegal immigrants into our country is for a future voting pool for the left.

When a Wall goes up the amount of people trying to cross goes way the fuck down, Israel reduce illegal immigration along the egyptian border by 99% when the main section of the wall was complete.

The whole point of the fucking wall is to reduce the amount of people crossing into this country illegally.

The Left wants these people because they know that their Anchor babies (which they will have several) will grow up and will Vote for left policies.

>>31744120
>it doesn't scale linearly
True, it scales logarithmically--the larger the wall you are making, the less expensive it proportionally is to build, man, and maintain it.

>>31744120

Israel fence is 1/8th the size and cost 1.6 billion

Hungarian Wall is ~1/6th the size and cost 106 million


If you compare the different walls yourself, you will see that they are very linear in cost and operation.

>>31743731
Thank you

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>>31743886
Here's your proofs. The elites want to vote themselves a new electorate through amnesty. This is how they view Latinos.

>>31744131
>Israel reduce illegal immigration along the egyptian border by 99% when the main section of the wall was complete.
Unfortunately for the US, walking across the border is only one of the many ways illegals are getting here.

>>31744131

The republicans should be courting immigrants instead of demonizing them. Do people here not realize that a majority of central and south america is Catholic and socially conservative as fuck? They could be the new Solid South but republicans and evangelical white America is too distracted by "fuck brown people" to see it.

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Amnesty equals increased gun-control voters.

>>31743994
> Only outside change can end it.
Guess what Trump is you oblivious tool.

>>31744223
They're not demonizing, the problem is the right doesn't court groups because they're a special color.
Democrats will, and will promise them welfare and immigration laws that let them bring their families. Apparently they don't realize this sort of thing is what made their home countries shit.

>>31744223
>instead of demonizing them
Saying
>You should only be allowed to stay here if you came over legally
Is not demonizing immigrants.

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>>31744206
>this letter is talking about getting a current demographic to vote for them
>this proves that they want more people in the US illegally and that they believe those people would be compliant and stop trying to come over if they saw a wall
That letter provides no evidence of that whatsoever.

>>31744243

The GOP claims to represent hard working, religious, social conservatives. You think they would be 100% for the people that are coming here. Look at the Cuban immigrants that came here fleeing Castro. They HATE democrats and vote Republican because the Rs in Florida wisened the fuck up and started courting them.

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>>31738877
ok

>>31744272
>You think they would be 100% for the people that are coming here
yeah. They're not against immigration. Just illegal immigration, which you may or may not recognize as a criminal act.

>>31744250

Nominating somebody for President who calls them rapists and murders as a central part of his running platform does.

>>31744284
Yes, fucking ILLEGAL immigrants. Not fucking LEGAL immigrants. The only people who get mad are those who are ILLEGALLY here

>>31744272
>You think they would be 100% for the people that are coming here
They are. Provided they do so legally. Unfortunately, respecting borders and immigration processing is tantamount to "hating immigrants" these days, hence the narrative you've apparently consumed with gusto.

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>>31744262
The writing is on the wall m8

>>31744282

Then why oppose Amnesty and path to citizenship? A republican president that was able to deliver on that would invalidate every argument the Dems have and secure a huge voting block of R for generations.

>>31744106
>reenacting Fury Road with car bombs.
Someone needs to make a movie out of this. Have it star Mel Gibson and be about him getting revenge on the Jews because he believes they ruined his career.

>>31744284
He was talking about illegals, holy shit how infiltrated is /k/ at the moment?

>>31744300
Reagan did that, and it backfired hard. Those who illegally immigrate are here JUST for the gibsmedats, and will vote (D) because (D) is the party of gibsmedat

>>31744300
>Amnesty
Are you or are you fucking not for illegal immigration?

>>31744284
A significant number of illegals commit these crimes friendo

>>31744300
Because Amnesty would be a massive slap in the face to anyone who has gone through the decade long bullshit legal immigration process, and rewards criminal behavior with citizenship?
We already did this once, in the 80s. The ones who got amnesty were the criminal trash. Turns out anyone worth citizenship went and got it legally.

>>31744223

And Blacks in the US are very religious and socially conservative, what happened to them? You have a very large and lazy pool of people who only vote for more Government handouts.

>>31744223
see >>31744250

>>31744210
Most still come over the border,

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We need Trump

>>31744343
>what happened to them?

Reagan and Nixon and Ollie North started the drug war to put them in prison.

>>31743626
The votes on both Heller and McDonald were 5-4 split along party lines. If you're hoping that a Hillary appointed judge is going to magically decide to err on the side of gun ownership, you're delusional. In a few years, when the supreme court decides that AWBs or complete bans on carry are entirely constitutional and anti-gun campaigns like Bloomberg's or Gabby Giffords' decide to focus their efforts on changing state opinion or pushing ballot measures for that, you can thank yourself for not doing anything earlier to stop it.

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>>31743847
Why are you on this board?

>>31744373
>and anti-gun campaigns like Bloomberg's or Gabby Giffords' decide to focus their efforts on changing state opinion or pushing ballot measures for that
They already HAVE been doing this, this is their latest strategy and was used in WA among other places.

Anyone who opposes open borders is a racist. America is a land of immigrants. We should focus on integration, not assimilation. Requiring voters to show identification is racist.

>>31744322

I'm against illegal immigration. However I also recognize that mass deportations and a border wall are essentially impossible so we need to start looking at other ways of dealing with it.

>>31744367

yeah it has nothing to do with 15% of the US population comming 50% of the fucking crime. When you have a society and you just give them shit so they Vote one way, they won't try to better themselves and move past the problems that they have, Why work when you get shit for free.

>>31744415
>I'm against illegal immigration
Yet you have no problem rewarding it. Your double-think sickens me.

>>31744415
Eisenhower showed that mass deportations are totally viable, and Israel/Jordan are proof of walls working.

>>31744425

Because trying to round up all the illegals and mass deport them will go so well?

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>>31744413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

>>31741935
Maybe where you went to go shoot, but not where I go. The ban did help flip congress, but the damage was done. There may not be a sunset clause if it goes through this time.

>>31742716
Exactly

>>31743876
He does not though, unless you mean you and your lgbt boyfriend sucking each other off

>>31744416
>yeah it has nothing to do with 15% of the US population comming 50% of the fucking crime.

Yeah it does when you have Ollie and the CIA bringing in cocaine and dumping it in the inner cities.

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>>31744416
>15% of the US population comming 50% of the fucking crime
>48,706,050 people in the US are regularly committing crimes and only acount for half of the crimes being committed
Holy shit, I didn't know Burgerstan was such a third world shithole.

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*hand waving*

LOOK OVER HERE

>>31744446

the US has done it before,

and if the INS was doing it's job we wouldn't need to round up between 11 - 30 million people. Something needs to happen and these people need to go back to their countries and try to make said country a better fucking place instead of fleeing to the US.

>>31744515
No, he's just noting that blacks, despite being 15% of the population, commit 50% of that crimes.

>>31744515
I know you're trolling, but what he means is that 50% of the crime comes from a specific subset of the population, which is only 15% of the total of the total population.

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More CTR butthurt incoming.

>>31741029
Shouldn't the flags be changed?

>>31744836
England is crashing the EU with no survivors.

>>31744227
feels good

>>31743731
Get the fuck out of here with your rational, thought out and well meaning attitude, you're not welcome on /k/.

>>31744525
>People should stay home and fix shit rather than fleeing
>Don't flee to the US, we don't like people who don't stay home to fix their countries
The irony....

>>31744860
>England
Try not to conform to stereotype, yank.