What brand of 9mm ammo is the best for CCW? >inb4 glaser

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Federal HST, end of discussion.

The ones that fit?

Believe it or not Remington Golden Saber is the ONLY non shit remington product.

>>31712219
Wolf, Tulammo, mystery reloads in a zip lock baggy from a gun show

>>31712219
>>31712245

Nope, Speer Gold Dot

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Casted solid lead bullets

>>31712325
I don't own a 9mm, but I concur about Gold Dot being the world standard for defensive ammo.

>>31712325

I used to carry gold dot, it's a great round. But HST overall offers better, more consistent expansion. Gold Dot is superior if you need barrier penetration thru glass since it's bonded. Otherwise, HST is a better all-around choice.

>>31712291
this. and remember, when you explode a gun it's the gun manufacturers shortcomings that caused it.

>>31712332
That's a fuckhuge bullet. What is it?

>>31712219
I carry 115gr gold dots in my P2000SK.

>>31712219
Hornandy Critical Defense
Not the pussy reduced recoil shit, get the full POWAH

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>>31712393
.43 Mauser

>and for the ultimate in dindu stopping .450/577

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>>31712219

Lehigh Xtreme defense or Underwood Xtreme defender for its +P counter part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClJcJ8LQFbQ

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>>31712429
>FMJ with a screwdriver tip that's designed and tested to make pretty bubbles in gel instead of kill dindu and prevent shoot-through

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This shit is so brutal I heard Obama is trying to pass a EO to outlaw it like the old black talon ammo.

>>31712419
REMOVE ZULU

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>>31712454

>>31712245
This or Winchester Ranger T's. I have mix of both in my CCW mags I believe

>>31712219
Check out shooting the bull 410 on YouTube. Great for nerding on ballistics, he tests em in the pocket 9's as well

>>31712332
>casted

It's just cast.

>>31712245
This

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DRT! nothing works better than these bad bullets.
This is the ammo in all of the hunting weapons I use.

>>31712828
Looks kinda like an HST

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>>31712219

>>31712219
Glaser safety slugs

>>31712219
I'm a huge fan 124gr:

Speer Gold Dot
Federal HST (not Hydrashock)
Ranger SXT (supposed to be LEO only so hard to find)
and finally I'm a big fan of SIG ammo.

Why do I like SIG ammo? For starters they're the only readily available brand of 10mm that isn't watered down. They're 10mm is like 1250fps vs. 1180fps, something like 100 ft/lbs more than Hornday, both 180gr.
They load their full metal jacket "target ammo" to the same charge as their hollow point defensive rounds.

As for their 9mm, the 115gr sig is a little weak but the 124gr is 443 ft/lbs, that's big.

One word of caution, the SIG hollow points have a large opening and doesn't feed well in guns that are picky about ammo. Glock, Steyr and of course SIGs feed it perfectly though.

Oh, and a 20 round box of HST retails for $22 where the SIG ammo is $16.

So Gold Dot, Ranger SXT, Federal HST or SIG ammo are all great. I guess PDX is alright too.

Truthfully, you could probably carry Winchester White Box hollow points and likely work as well. So, like whatever man. I'm just telling you what I like.

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>>31712219
Bought my first handgun (glock 19) a week ago at the scottsdale gun club. Guy told me to buy these to use for self defense. Just took his word for it.

>>31712419
Can't wait to reload for mine. I've got everything but the dies and the lead and tin. You use pure lead or an alloy?

>>31713816
I use zombie maxx. As far as I've been able to figure they're basically the same thing and you can save a couple bucks a box

>>31713898
Only difference is the casing is brass and not nickle coated. I run zombie max in my spare mag and crit. Defence in my main. You know just in case some crazy zombies happen

>Hornady
I pressed some of the local shops why that's all they carry and finally talked to a shop owner who told me they were the only supplier who consistently filled orders.

Near where I live:
>Dick's
>Field and Stream
>Shoot Point Blank Range
>Miami Valley Armory
>Underwood Guns
None of them have Gold Dot, HST, or PDX but they carry Hornady out the ass.

>>31712245
I bought 147 gr HST for my m&p9, but on the case they say micro. Is that going to affect much for me out of a 4.25 inch barrel?

>>31714055
I wonder this too for a glock 19

>>31713551
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/127997/federal-premium-vital-shok-ammunition-10mm-auto-180-grain-trophy-bonded-jacketed-soft-point-box-of-20

>1275 FPS
>proven hollowpoints that expand reliably
>from an ammunition company that's been doing it since 1922

>>31713551
>Oh, and a 20 round box of HST retails for $22 where the SIG ammo is $16.
>buying the plastic retail packs for suckers
>not buying law enforcement 50 round bulk boxes
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/csearch.aspx?CategoryID=0&ManufacturerID=0&SectionID=0&PriceRange=0&SortBy=5&PageSize=12&AndOr=AND&DisplayMode=Grid&Condition=-1&Search=HST

>>31714055
>>31714065
That's the 150, they're weaker-shooting and a lot more expensive than the law enforcement 147.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTd1lNx_TQ

>>31714124
I spent $27 on next day air from Midwayusa on Thursday afternoon and got my package Monday night, at the end of the day.

Fuck their "nitro" shipping.

Also I said, "readily availalbe", that stuff isn't in the local gun shops AND

Federal
>180gr, 1,275fps, $29 for 20 rounds.
SIG
>180gr, 1,250fps, $29 for 50 rounds (and I can pick it up at several local stores.)

>>31714182
Weird, my stores are packed with Federal Premium Vital-Shok (including the 10mm) and only carry Sig in 9mm/.45

Varies based on your local store or their distributor then.

>>31714151
Well, I can't argue with that.

>>31714055
To anyone buying 147gr bullet, don't. Unless you're running suppressed. They're a subsonic round that really only makes sense in a suppressed platform. Otherwise, 124gr is just the way to go.

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>>31714217
If I found HST in any other grain I would have gotten them, but I figured neutered HST was better than no HST when I got it. Is it worth trusting my life with until I get 124 grain?

>>31714279
Yeah it's fine.

There's a very old debate, as old as any caliber arguments about whether or not fast and light is better than heavy and slow.
You definitely bought heavy and slow. For me, I want fast but not too light, enough weight for good penetration. I think 124gr is best in 9mm.

Your 147gr will kill someone just fine.

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>>31714217
>They're a subsonic round that really only makes sense in a suppressed platform. Otherwise, 124gr is just the way to go.

Nope. Those bare gel results could be a lot better for 124 and 124 +P

>>31714279
You'll be okay.

>>31714498
It looks like the 3rd from the bottom and the bottom are the 2 best. Biggest expansion and adequate penetration.

>>31712245
> Not using G2Research R. I. P.

Amateur...

>>31712340
I own a 9mm and concur about Gold Dot being the American standard for defensive ammo.

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>>31712524

Feel free to buy whatever you want, but is anyone seriously thing that hollow points are going to make a difference in any scenario at all? It'd be much smarter to cc with whatever you plink with or subsonic rounds so you can keep your hearing after firing without earpro.

>>31714498
So according to this picture the 2 best are 124gr IMO.

Also consider that lighter bullets recoil less and operate at much lower pressure. You drive the pressure of the round up more by increasing bullet weight than you do by increasing velocity, to a point. The lighter rounds are easier to shoot and easier on the gun and safer if you're hand loading. They have a lot of advantages. In fact you only want enough mass to assure adequate penetration, beyond that everything should be put into velocity, meaning lighter bullets. I'm most comfortable with 124gr 9mm, which btw, are also lighter to carry around. If you carry a spare mag in a duty size gun, that maybe 35 rounds, the weight isn't enough to make a huge difference but it is in other guns. Lug 6 mags of AK-47 ammo and 6 mags of AR ammo around for a day and I promise you'll appreciate the lighter weight.

Now, I will say something nice about heavier bullets, they're quieter.

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>>31714625
Everyone makes jokes, but...

>>31714691
I really respect a 1911 in .45.
I mean look how thin that gun is for that round, like seriously. It's the only gun I'd ever own in .45.

>>31712219

Depends on your criteria for "the best"

I carry 147gr fmj 9mm because it's the best for what I want, but that doesn't go for everyone.

>>31712245
this

>>31712219
>>31712325
>>31712245
>>31712454

HSTs, Gold Dots (especially the Underwood 124+p), and extreme defenders are good.

The LeHigh defenders and penetrators perform well, and not just in ballistics gel. They won't cavitate like a hollowpoint but they also won't underpenetrate.

Personally I'd say save the penetrators for 380, since they outperform ball ammo, but for 9mm stick with 147gr HSTs or 124 GD +p.

Hornady critical
Golden saber

>>31714217

147gr HSTs perform better than 124gr anything if your barrel is less than 4 inches. The differences are marginal, but still there, so if you want the best go with that.

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>>31713816
>at the scottsdale gun club

Travis Haley occasionally shoots videos there. You lucky fucker to live in Scottsdale. You best check out the Haley Strategic store.

got a glock 17, what do i fill my 33 round mags with for when dindus storm my house?
i bought some 124gr hst as a stop gap but should i go with 147?

>>31712219
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

That being said, I use Barnes Tac-XPD 115 gr. +P

>>31715901
>124gr hst
There isn't better ammo.

A question for /k/.

Anyone know of hollowpoint 7.62x25?

>>31715739
he lives in arizona
that's a punishment

>>31715091
>>31712245
>>31712325
>buying ammo that does less damage even when it doesn't fail to expand
>buying anything but extreme defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0piGeTVMZWs

>>31717273
He admits that the block is the wrong temp and too soft. It is in now way reflective of how the bullets would react in proper testing or use.
I actually lost some respect for him over posting this video.

>>31714173
Good to know thanks

>>31713816
this is what i use in my PS

>>31713991
I nearly shat bricks when I saw 124gr Gold Dot 9mm at Cabela's. Had literally never seen it in person before. It goes so freakin' fast when it physically hits the shelves.

>>31712462
That's what they get for marketing it with the name "R.I.P." instead of something more tame like "Defense" or "Protection."

I don't remember who, but someone showed they could achieve the same terminal effects with two rounds of frangible .22LR.

>>31712245
FPBP

>>31713816
Critical duty if you are going to go Hornady, if not then obviously HST +P

>>31712340

>I don't own a gun

ftfy

Literally FMJ is the most reliable in terms of feeding. so I use it

>>31721159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w

>>31716765
>>31716765
>>31716765
feed issues galore.