>lets combine all the negative qualities of the AK (bad caliber,

>>31643569

>no fun allowed

>>31643569
>DI
>Bad
Pick one. And your argument cannot contain the phrase "shits where it eats" because it's factually incorrect

>>31643569
>lets shitpost fuddlore memes for easy clickbait

>>lets combine all the negative qualities of the AK

Commie fanboy filth.

>with the negatives of the AR

Magpul accessories.

>>31643569
>7.62x39
>bad


I bet you fucking jerk off over .300 Memeout too.

>>31643616

Poo poos where it om nom noms.

>>31643644
Wrong, try again.

>all these non-arguments

>Hurr DI aint bad cuz I say so

>>31643569
>fouling ammo

What, are you poor? If you don't want to spend time cleaning, don't buy cheap shit.

>>31643701
y is di bad?

>>31643734
Besides reducing moving parts it has no advantages over piston. Adds carbon near the bolt

>>31643755
>Adds carbon near the bolt
All guns do.

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RRA tried to pick up the ball for the civilian market but its not the same.

>>31643764
DI does do it faster it seems, at least on the guns I own. I don't find cleaning my ARs any more of a chore than my AKs or FAL though

>>31643755
>>31643644
Don't bother, AR fags are scat fetishists who like the idea of shitting where you eat.

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>>31643786
you don't enjoy shitting and eating from the same hand what are you some sort of poorfag?

>>31643784
>it seems like it gets dirty faster
>but the cleaning is the same
...okay
Really though, that's all anecdote regardless.

>>31643569
>lets combine all the negative qualities of the AK (slow, awkward reloads) with the negatives of the AR (costing $$$$) without the positive qualities of either

>>31643835
And my anecdote implied there's no real difference. I might spend slightly longer scrubbing my AR bolts, but it's not enough to warrant an inferior gas system

>>31643569
OP is a mongtard who doesn't know what DI is or how the AR-15 works.

>>31643644
>>31643786
Ebin meme.

The AR-15 basically uses it's own bolt as a piston. If you think the gas chamber getting dirty is a problem, you're too dainty to handle a firearm.

>>31643755
>Adds carbon near the bolt
Literally all guns ever do this.

>>31643784
Not by a lot, compare it to a G3 and it's nothing.
The AR is designed to handle carbon buildup in it's bolt-carrier by design, most of the carbon buildup stays in there and it's of no concern to the rest of the gun, you can ignore cleaning this indefinitely.

>>31643855
>buy M&P-15
>put in .300BLK barrel
>have a reliable and effective .30 caliber intermediate rifle that's better than most AK's currently imported and made

>>31643714
This

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>>31643786

>>31643835
I'm saying why even bring it up if it's negligible?

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>ITT people who bought into H&K marketing

Would an AK chambered in a NATO round and modified to take standard AR magazines be consider the best of both worlds?

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>>31644592
I don't know if I'd call it the best of anything, but it'd be a nice rifle.

>>31644592
no becase ar mags are the weakpoint. thugh magpul changed that conception

>>31644644
Unless you're using some really beat to shit aluminum mags bought as surplus, or some ProMag shit, AR mags shouldn't be a problem, PMags and Lancers work fine, and even brand new aluminum mags with PMag followers and springs work great.

Everyone always talks about DI fouling the bolt/chamber/etc. but I never hear anyone talk about the hot gases cooking away the lubricant.

I don't shoot ARs that much so I was wondering if some helpful kommando out there could tell me if this is true.

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>>31644592
>>31644620
>>31644644

I've got one of these, it doesn't take standard AR mags, but is chambered in 5.56. Not sure if it would be the "best" combination of the two because it still reloads like an AK, while I would prefer a mag release like ARs have.

>>31644670
>but I never hear anyone talk about the hot gases cooking away the lubricant
Not really a problem.

Basic lubing and the gun should go on for thousands of rounds without any cleaning at all.

>>31644726
There's various ways to make a .223 AK take AR mags

>>31644620
>>31644644
>>31644726

gonna sound like a noguns but I am, so fuck it

are any rifles designed like a tacamo mag-fed paintball conversion kit? The magwell is held in place by a roll pin and a push pin, and hence with a 10 dollar piece of metal to change, I can take any of the 4 mag styles developed for that particular line of paintball guns, as well as a myriad of other brands of magfed gun's magazines, many of which are definetly not standardized.

>>31644916
no
there are magwell inserts for example to make an ar15 take 9mm mags but they are $100+
youve got to take feed angles into consideration most magwells will have to be permanently modified like>>31644620
for an adaptor to work so there's no easy uninstall

>>31644991

damn. I know cartriges are more complex to load than a sphere, but I didn't think noone would even try to make a fully removable magwell.

I'm sure someone sells a catch-all mod or custom receiver or something, but I understand people not wanting that kinda niche stuff.

I wish I had gunsmithing tools and shit to work on, I think I'd have the head for that kinda shit if I could try it out.

>>31643569
>bad caliber

lol

>fouling ammo

lol

>negatives of the AR (DI)

lol

>>31645943
The Steyr AUG and HK G36 have adapters for proprietary and STANAG mags. Colt released a lower receiver that could take 5.56 or .308 mags with a few parts swapped.

However, a removable assembly for such a vital, high stress part will inevitably be weaker than a solid magwell. For a service rifle with a steady supply chain, it's not needed. For a civilian gun, that's a different story.

In another thread I was kicking around an idea for an AR derived lower that could not only switch magwells, but go from pistol to battle rifle calibers depending on the upper. Hell, maybe an oversized magwell and a custom pump action upper could take Saiga mags and Mossberg barrels.

Magwell starting pack:
>9mm, 45 ACP Glock
>5.56 STANAG/7.62 AKM
>.308 FAL
>12ga Saiga

Going by the mech tech carbine, taking a pistol and turning it into a rifle is ok. So selling it as a pistol and getting the other parts later should be fine (there's got to be a way to prevent accidentally making an SBR). I'm basically trying to use as many premade commonly available parts as possible.

>>31644443
H&K didn't start the idea of short stroke piston in an AR - they built an entire gun around the AR-18's bolt and action.

besides, the HK416 piston isn't just an add on to the AR-15, it's a complete upper replacement and several lower components. it's a retrofitted AR-18 action more or less. comparing it to a POF piston or something shows ignorance in the design and operational differences.

it's nearly the same retardery that "shits where it eats" morons spout daily.

>>31646703
It's not like an AR18 action though

>>31646726
the G36 uses an AR-18 bolt and carrier, along with a modified action. take a look at diagrams. the HK416 uses the G36's action with a specialized bolt carrier, upper, receiver extension, and buffer.

>>31646703

http://world.guns.ru/assault/sing/cis-sar-0-e.html

1970's singapore developed that gun. H&K simply redid the wheel. Ever since they developed the USP on the browning design, they've been ditching their expensive proprietary designs and just milking the gravy train.

HK fanboy.

>>31644212

This true tbqh senpai

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>>31646756

http://world.guns.ru/assault/taiw/t65-t6-t91-e.html