Okay, how the hell do people STILL prefer 9 over 5.7? I'm

>>31622134
price and selection (or rather lack of) of civilian market ammo.
also, there are a tremendous amount of both pistols and rifles in 9mm. how many are in 5.7?

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>10mm

Poor bait

>>31622158
I'm not touching .45 for the same reason.
I'm only talking about lower power cartridges. Replace 9 with .380 or anything like that, same scenario.

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>>31622177

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>>31622134
>another 5.7mm is better than 9mm thread

>>31622151
Ok, fair.
NEXT QUESTION!

Assuming you had infinite ammo and budget, would you pick a 57 over (insert generic 9)?

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>>31622192

>>31622202
Dude at least crop the images after you take a screenshot.
Also, check your fucking twitter, damn.

>>31622216
I didn't take the screen shots. I got them from/b/

>>31622194
it is tho.
9mm is already an anemic round.
If you aren't part of the .45/10/.40 master race, then you are using a plebian 9mm, which is already weak.
So why not have the better handling characteristics of a 5.7?
I would take a Five seveN with 20 rounds over a 92 with 15 any day.

>>31622134
>gauranteed replies

Fuck, biting anyway.

5.7 has all the punch of .22 magnum. You might as well carry a PMR-30, it's just as effective, as in, not at all.

5.7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U40ArShS6M

9mm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3mVJ1tiu2Q

9mm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcrbmzB_H-4

10mm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z49Lbnt16M

You could've replaced 5.7 in your post with 10mm and the thread wouldn't have been shit.

>>31622198
Fuck yea

>>31622266
Well, power is all that matters, then, right?
So why aren't you carrying a single shot .308 handgun?
Or a 500?

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>>31622134

>>31622241
More low quality bait.

.40 and .45 do the same thing as 9mm, but slower, with less control and ability to follow up.

If you say that only 9mm needs a follow up, you're a fucking retard and you're going to die in a firefight.

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>>31622287
OP here.
Are you right handed?
I have a hand injury so that's probably the main reason its more comfortable, but try dicking around with the mag release flipped around, and use your right middle finger on it.

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Pff, not using 7.5 brno. What a fag rigt guys?...guys?

>>31622293
Well, everything except a 12 gauge needs a followup.
So why have to wait for the muzzle to come back down, or if you panic, spray rounds into the sky, when you can accurately fire the 57 quickly with little rise?
Unless you hit em in the head or the heart, they probably aren't going down in just one shot, so why waste time on the extra power when you can waste the bad guy with more rounds?

>>31622307
I saw this on tumblr the other day, a bunch of people were really excited about it.
What exactly is so special about it...?
I've never even heard of it.

>>31622283
>Power
>Hyperbolic, goalstretching argument

9mm is -much- more effective than 5.7 while still being easy to control and handle. 10mm is still more manageable than fuddy five.

If you can't handle a 9mm, you don't need to be carrying any gun.

>>31622134
5.7 is a glorified .22l, with the only advantage being armor piercing rounds, which you probably can't your hands on in significant quantities anyway.

>>31622348
I'm not saying I can't.
What I'm saying is that in a firefight, you are going to panic. You may be spraying rounds.
The only reason I wouldn't carry a .22lr is because I can't have one with a 50 round mag in full auto.

Unless you're John Wick, expect to spam some rounds.

>>31622354
Senpai, the 57 has over twice the energy of a .22 magnum.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/

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>>31622324
A 9mm is much more effective than 5.7 while being just as controllable. You're not solving anything, you're just choosing to use literally .22wmr, and it's going to get you killed.

By the by, a 12gauge often requires follow-up. It depends on the target. People shot in the heart, if fight-or-die has already set in, tend to keep shooting at you for another 30 seconds or so before they drop from lack of blood and/or blood pressure.

5.7 does very little to relieve someone of either. If 5.7 had any merit, it would be much more widely used.

5.7's claim to fame is being able to give no fucks about soft armor and some barriers. However, FN does not sell that ammunition commercially. It's a niche product made for one specific function, and the kind you can get won't even do that.

>>31622385
Yes, so you should be spamming rounds that actually have some effect on target.

If your target dies from heavy metal poisoning before they die of blood loss, there's a fucking problem with the round.

>>31622428
>literally .22 wmr
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/myth-busting-22-magnum-vs-5-7x28mm/
Here's the link again.

>it's going to get you killed.
I don't even know how to respond to this.
Yes, carrying the weapon I am more familiar and comfortable with will get me killed, but carrying a gun I dislike in a caliber I dislike with a capacity I dislike?
That's a recipe for survival.

>>31622441
Yes, the rounds that have a great effect on target, if the target is the wall behind the asshole you're shooting at.

A similar argument is with early fighter jets, and the american vs. russian philosophy.
The russian idea was to use higher powered cannons that only required a shot or two to kill.
The Americans went with a bunch of .50s, so that they would do less damage but have higher hit probability.

Again, I would go with the americans here. I would rather hit my opponent with one or two weak rounds that cause damage to him, than have to rely on my aim in a stressful situation to land harder to aim weapons that do more damage.

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>>31622343
It shoots 7.5 brno, a totally proprietary cartridge that is not based on any other cartridge. Supposedly 7.5 is as powerful as 44 magnum with the recoil of a 45 due to the supposedly advanced recoil midigation device. Thats the huge thing under the barrel. 7.5 is a very hot load.

>>31622446
Here's a link for you:

.22 mag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwn7wHZZTU

Compare to the 5.7 video I posted above. They leave the same, or extremely close, temporary and permanent wound cavities.

>>31622446
>Carrying a weapon I'm familiar with -
You can familiarize yourself on a new gun.
>Gun I dislike
There's a shitload of weapons to choose from in something that isn't expensive .22.
>Caliber I dislike
There's two handfuls that aren't expensive .22.
>Capacity I dislike
Except there's a handful of 9mms available with the same capacity as the 5.7. And they reliably incapacitate, whereas your not-even-full-spec 5.7 will not.

It was made to do one job, and the ammo that does that job isn't available to you. Sorry you bought into the meme.

>>31622483
If you're telling me that 9mm typically causes through-and-throughs, you need to stop posting.

5.7s entire gimmick is pen. You're much more likely to overpen with 5.7 than 9, and STILL not produce a reliably incapacitating wound.

Again, you're intentionally missing the point. 9mm is still extremely controllable, and in a stressful situation, your aim will be shit either way.

At this point you're just trying to justify your purchase to the internet.

>>31622507
>You can familiarize yourself on a new gun.

Yes. Okay. This is true, but its also difficult when the 57 has a lot of features that make operating it with essentially no left thumb very easy.

>There's a shitload of weapons to choose from in something that isn't expensive .22.

I like the look of a CZ or a 92. I dislike these firearms because of their caliber.

>There's two handfuls that aren't expensive .22.

And they're all cancer.

>Except there's a handful of 9mms available with the same capacity as the 5.7. And they reliably incapacitate, whereas your not-even-full-spec 5.7 will not.

In a caliber I dislike, again.

>>31622543
>If you're telling me that 9mm typically causes through-and-throughs, you need to stop posting.

Never said that.

>If you're telling me that 9mm typically causes through-and-throughs, you need to stop posting.

Against what, ballistics gel? The stuff that doesn't include bone and clothing? I do not care about overpen, the chances of actually causing damage from overpen are astronomically small.

>your aim will be shit either way

Exactly. So why go with a slightly higher kicking, usually low cap gun? If you're going to be missing so much, carry a higher cap gun.

>>31622560
>No left thumb

Are you talking about slide release? You shouldn't be using that anyway. Always load with the powerstroke.

>Disliking the caliber
Right, because you prefer a gun that won't actually kill anything before your target kills you.

>All cancer
Wow, fantastic argument. You really brought a lot of facts to consider

>Caliber HURR
Listen, you're intentionally ignoring every fact, every figure, every argument I've presented. 5.7 does not reliably stop people. It does reliably not give a fuck about soft armor and some barriers, but only in ammunition loads FN won't sell you. That's the entire reason behind 5.7's existence, punch through shit at the expense of reliable incapacitation.

You can 'not like' better things all you want, but that doesn't make 5.7 better. You can like the Mustang all you want, but it doesn't make it better than an LFA.

You can like the P-51 all you want, but that doesn't mean it's superior to the F-15.

At least pretend to actually put some thought into a discussion when someone's presenting you facts. You're literally the same type of person that screams for social justice and gun control; your FEELINGS trump FACTS.

Go fucking kill yourself, but get something bigger than a 5.7 unless you want it to be a long, painful process.

People who actually got into shootings with 5.7 out of P90s dropped that shit soon after, because having to hose some dude in order to make him stop sucks. Remind me why that same round out of a shorter barrel is going to do any better?

inb4 muh Fort Hood.

>>31622631
Specifically talking about the wings on the slide, as well as the gun itself being very comfortable to use with an injured thumb.

Dude, you're talking about 9. A weak ass round. Again, we're comparing weak rounds here. If you wanna blow a fist sized hole in someone, go carry a .44 or something. The lethality issue is not an issue.

The cancer comment comes, again, to the fact that I dislike most other calibers besides 5.7.

>every fact, every figure, every argument

Show me a gun that is the size of a Five seveN, with 20 round mags that don't extend past the grip, that recoils like nothing, and that is as/more powerful than a 9. Go ahead. I'll wait.

>HURR DURR STOPPING POWER

Carry a Desert Eagle. An M29. Whatever. If you think you can land that one shot "POW!" and blow the bad guys head off before doing a sweet gun spin before holstering your handcannon and lighting up a new cigar as the townsfolk run over to suck your dick for saving the day.

But me?
I'm gonna go with the numbers game side of things. I'd much rather hit a bad guy once with a pellet gun than miss him 15 times with an artillery piece.

I gotta go to bed, thanks for taking the bait.

I do genuinely prefer the 5.7 due to lower recoil than higher power rounds, and the ergonomics of the Five seveN. I understand the pros and cons and all. Just wanted to shitpost m8.

>>31622343
Its the latest hand cannon
Shoots an extremely high velocity low mass proprietary round that's apparently as powerful as .44magnum

>>31622581
Yes you did.

>Clothing being a significant barrier for a bullet to overcome

Are you fucking kidding me? Next you'll tell me drywall will stop or significantly slow bullets.

>Damage from overpen
Is still damage you're responsible for. Why fucking risk it WHILE NOT STOPPING THE THREAT?

>Higher cap gun
Most 9s in the same size as a 5.7 are 15+1.
Glock 17 can carry 17+1.
Springfield XDM - 19+1.
The 226 is available with 20+1.
CZ P-09 is 19+1.
CZ75 Sport is 20+1.
STI's 9mm is 20+1. No idea if it's a decent gun, however.
Tanfo Witness Elite is 17+1.
Tanfo Stock 3 is 17+1.
Tanfo's Witness line, including the COMPACT, are 17+1.

Capacity is not the issue in this argument.

>>31622134
/blinks sleepily

Marisa, dat joo?

>>31622722
What damage? What damage is going to be caused by overpen?
Assuming the round DOES somehow exit the other side of the body, its going to carry such low energy its not going to do much besides scratch some paint. And why the fuck would there be a random pedestrian behind the bad guy? Watch where you're fucking shooting.

Okay, so you've listed many guns that are the same/lower cap than the 57. All have higher recoil. My argument stands.

>capacity is not the issue in this argument

Nigger its my entire fucking argument. Its the point I've been trying to make the whole damn time. I can put 20 or 30 rounds out of a 57 fast as shit, with decent enough accuracy compared to pretty much any 9 on the market in a regular guy's hands.

>>31622681
>Wings
Serrations? Every gun is different, and if you care enough, they can be modified.

>9 a weak ass round

No it's fucking not, that's my entire premise

>Talking about fist-sized holes

I was talking about 9mm. At no point did I say you had to make someone into giblets to put them down. I said 5.7 doesn't relaibly incapacitate, because it fucking doesn't. You are STILL ignoring the argument because you know you're wrong.

>Post hicap 9s that are easy to control
I did.

>STOPPING POWER DURF
No one is fucking talking about stopping power. I'm telling you 5.7 is made to shred armor, not people, and the armor shredding ammo isn't available to you.

5.7 does not reliably stop threats. It has nothing to do with me trying to make the biggest hole possible in something or someone. Stop moving the goalpoasts, you absolute tumblr-tier shitposter. You literally argue exactly like an SJW.

If you can hit something with 5.7, you can hit them with 9mm. You can hit it multiple times with 9mm.

With 5.7, you can land all twenty rounds on target and still have a thread that isn't down.

That last part isn't even an exaggeration. Unlikely, but not impossible.

>>31622766
>Argument stands

You have no argument. You'd rather magdump .22 than magdump 9mm because HURR DURR FEELINGS.

You still haven't addressed anything I've said about 5.7's ability to stop a threat, or lack thereof.

Because it doesn't, it's not even meant to, and you fucking know it.

>>31622772
>talks about 5.7 having less stopping power than 9
>"No one is talking about stopping power"

I actually have to go to bed, gnight guys.

>>31622785
>HURR DURR FEELINGS
Actually its
>HURR DURR LESS RECOIL IN A ROUND THAT IS STILL CAPABLE

>>31622134
Because I'm a poorfag who couldn't afford aN FN 5.7 but could afford a CZ P09.

>>31622796
But it's not. That's the point.

5.7 is really good at doing what it was designed to do; punch through armor.

As I've said, it's only able to do this with ammo you can't buy.

If I need a gun that can ignore car doors and kevlar, I'll pick 5.7, because it's built to do that.

It is not, however, effective at stopping someone. It is not a capable round. It's more capable than 9mm if your target is armored, but otherwise, it's literally .22.

>>31622134
theres also the fact the 9mm ammo costs like ¢.17 a round whereas the 5.7 ammo costs like ¢.35 not to mention the cost of anything made by FN vs any gun in 9mm

>>31622859
This guy knows whats up

>>31622198
>Assuming you had infinite ammo and budget, would you pick a 57 over (insert generic 9)?

Find me a 5.7 handgun that is smaller than a J-frame, and we'll talk.

>it's another my bigger bullet has more stopping power episode
>my stopping power makes up for lack of capacity
>it's going to over penetrate because I totally forgot what a hollowpoint is now that 9mm is sounding like .45acp

>>31622307
>7.5mm
>pretty much .30 caliber
Something in pistol format I can use my SiCo Omega on? Sweet.

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I know this is a tad unrelated, but it is not big enough to post a new thread over;
I am not a knowledgeable person when it comes to firearms and I found this on the ground. What is it.

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>>31623702
Found it in israel btw

>>31623708
The bottom made me think it is a boolet, but it doesn't appear to have a casing.

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>>31623718
Forgot last pic

>>31623702
>>31623708
Blank 5.56mm training round.

>>31623723
looks like a 5.56 blank cartridge

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Fuck off Marissa, nobody want's your overpriced meme cartridge.

>>31622134
>except for personal preference in terms of ergonomics
this is pretty significant though. I like the idea of 5.7 but I don't like the controls on the Five Seven pistol.

And as others have mentioned, the available ammo is kinda meh. I don't like results of gel tests on the very lightweight ammo (20-30gr) or the fragible ammo, they tend to have low penetration. Pistols don't have enough energy/velocity to get fragments deep enough IMO, the small energy that they do have should be used for ensuring full penetration. Not "oh it's 10in, that's kinda close", no that's crap. The non-frangible bullets over 30gr like the 31gr FMJ and 40gr TMJ stuff looks good though, easily over 12in pen.

I wonder if ammo being lead-free is limiting the ammo.

>>31623950
>I wonder if ammo being lead-free is limiting the ammo.
oops, lost the rest of that. I mean maybe the lead-free ammo is necessarily lower weight because the low density materials may not fit within the size limits of the 5.7, necessitating lower weight bullets to fit the volume.
Total guess though so don't go spreading the rumor.

>>31622348
>10mm is still more manageable than fuddy five
If manageable means higher capacity, sure. 10mm is FAR more energetic than .45 though.

If it were widely adopted and i had a bunch of platforms to choose from I'd give it a shot.

its available.

I like a few showguns but that doesn't mean Il take them out on my Saturday.

We need ammo, lots of it.

>>31622134
>Okay, how the hell do people STILL prefer .45 over 12 gauge slugs

Imagine a world where all your favorite gun manufacturers made guns chambered in 5.7

And all the ammo manufacturers were making powerful and varied rounds

>Okay, how the hell do people STILL prefer 5.7 over 7.62x54r? I'm not even gonna touch .45. But there is no reason to own a 5.7 handgun over an Obrez, except for personal preference in terms of ergonomics or something.

>>31622134
Because most people don't have to defeat body armor and it makes smaller holes in people than 9mm who aren't wearing any.

>>31622266
>You might as well carry a PMR-30, it's just as effective
It blows me away to think that some idiots think a rimfire Kel-Tec is as effective as a center fire FN.

>>31622428
>A 9mm is much more effective than 5.7 while being just as controllable.
9mm has twice recoil of 5.7.

>>31622134
Because the FN memegun is the only gun chambered in that caliber.

>>31623599
It's 10mmM necked down to fit a light, swaged down .30 carbine bullet, trimmed to 27mm length (from 32mm).

>>31622134
Like .276 pedersen the 5.7 is a lubed case. This makes reloading the brass much more difficult. One either has to remove the lube and relube the case after sizing or not tumble and deal with a build up of lube in the sizing/seating die.

I looked into getting a 5.7 pistol awhile back but the extra steps required for reloading killed it for me.

>>31622134
Until there is a great amount of selection in terms of handguns chambered in 5.7x28, I, for one, will stick with 9mm Luger.

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>>31625346
It's not the only gun, but it may be the only carry option unless you plan on lugging around some masterpiece arms pistol or a P90 in a backpack

>>31625535
What kills it for me is a nearly total lack of appropriate bullets available to reloaders.

>>31622134
Hi Power is the only handgun you'll ever need, Five seveN is for faggots

>>31625581
someguns here. Explain hi power please.

>>31622134
Shit b8, but how many 5.7 pistols do they make that can disappear in your pocket or inside the waistband? In fact, how many 5.7 pistols do they make?

>>31622241
this is either bait or you're shilling for FN. Either way, shut the fuck up with this garbage thread

>>31622198
Are you upset that someone at the range insulted your handgun? Be honest.

>>31622241
.40 is a cuck round for those who honestly believe that they're getting increased performance, 10mm is a meme round for fallout cosplayers, 45 is for men who REALLY want people to believe that they're Cowboys. And of course, 5.7 is for those Cheeto stained retards who need to validate their special snowflake status. Shoot yourself in the head with a 9mm, it's an anemic round, I'm sure you'll be fine.

>>31622283
>trying to talk about powerful hand cannons
>not cc'ing a sawed off 12 gauge

This is why this thread is shit

>>31622185
This is good b8.

>>31625568
.22 Hornet bullets are in the right weight category but I admit I don't know if they are exactly right design. I have even seen data for bullets up to 55gr bullets so I guess I could the same bullets I use for my .223 loads.

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gee, I dunno

>>31622198
nope. Steyr L9-A1

>>31622198
if they also made a locked breech pistol to shoot it, sure.

>>31625724
>cc'ing a sawed off 12 gauge
you weak pussy
i cc my obrez'd Remington Lee M1882 .45-70 every day because i hate my wristbones
go big or go home

>9mm
>5.7
>not glorious .45 Super, which is equal with 10mm and can even be fired from cast RIA 1911s
>a cartridge that can be made by anyone reloading their .45 cartridges

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>>31622158
>mfw I love 10mm but can't afford to shoot it
>mfw I sold my Glock 40 for a 17 so I could shoot more

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>>31625867
>$185 for 500 5.7
or
>$148 for 1000
pic related

>>31622134
>5.7 buyers remorse itt.

>>31622505
If this survives and gains some traction j might have to get one for hiking

>>31625921
this

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>>31622134

HEH. Because FN is a collective of stupid cunts who overprice everything they sell.

Because reloading for the 5.7 is a complete bitch and a half due to it's high pressure and it's easy to blow up your gun. Add in that FN has a proprietary lacquer for the 5.7 that is NOT available to the aftermarket and this is a handloaders nightmare. A high pressure cartridge that's extremely sensitive to minute errors in the reloading process (that other calibers such as 9mm and 5.56 can tolerate just fine) AND there's a proprietary component that means even if you reload each cartridge PERFECTLY it's still not going to function 100%.

Oh yeah, the 5.7 is the perfect cartridge.

>>31625592
Browning hipower is a double stack 9mm handgun that shoots well and fits the hand nicely. Very good guns. Joint project of John Moses Browning (1911 creator) and an FN engineer. Good handgun. Prefer my CZ though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power

>>31625930
>>mfw I sold my Glock 40
As someone who wants a G40,
You fool.

How about working out so you won't wimpwrist/not flinch when you shoot a stronger caliber?

>>31622266
>I don't understand ballistics the post

>>31622507
You know YouTube isn't actually a good way to prove your point right?

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>>31625921
>a cartridge that can be made by anyone reloading their .45 cartridges
45 super uses different brass. But you can certainly power down to 45 acp with 45 super brass

I carry 45 super or 357 Sig. I would feel fine carrying 5.7 as well. It's still good.

>>31625921
meeeeeehh

>>31625930
What is reloading?

>>31625581
>instructions unclear bought hipoint

>>31626395

I think you can get away with using .45 ACP brass for at least a few reloads.

Its basically just a hot loaded .45 ACP.

>>31626932

This. $30 and you can buy a Classic Lee Loader and keep everything you need to reload in a shoebox. Brass, bullets, powder, primers, and tools.

All in a shoebox. And the tools pay for themselves the first time you use them.

>YFW you could reload on a coffee table during commercial breaks

>>31625921
>.45 Super is equal to 10mm
Wrong. .45 Super is not at all equal to hotter 10mm loads, just the weak ones that factories like to market for whatever reason.

>>31622198
>>31622151
To me the 5.7 is the superior cartridge, but 9mm has the superior platforms.

Hate Glocks all you want, but there is nothing I want more than a 5.7 Glock for EDC.

>>31622134
Not only is the ammo fairly expensive with poor selection, but the round itself is significantly longer meaning that you need longer actioned pistols for it. That's not a benefit for carry guns.

>>31627442

And 1911s can be converted to .460 Rowland which is equal to mid range .44 magnum.

I'd bet a hot loaded .45 Super will blow away any 10mm in ballistics charts and stoppan powah.

.45 inches is still a bigger diameter than 10mm and will punch larger holes, increasing your chances of wounding critical body internals.

No 10mm pistol can compare to a quality Mil Spec 1911 in terms of flexibility, parts availability, and real life damage potential.

Its as simple as that.

>>31622343
hotter loads than what's on your sister's face

>>31622134
Ammo supply

>>31622134
Despite having large hands I prefer the grip diameter of 9mm. The FN 5.7 had a large grip diameter that is different than what I've trained.

Beyond that there is the cost of ammo and how easily available it is, both of these are won by 9mm.

Lastly 5.7 is pretty gay.

>>31627664
>grip diameter
What's your first language?

>>31627593
never even shot a single round of .45 super but thinks that somehow the mere existence of .460 rowland hot-rods his slow-ass .45 clown pistol detected.

>>31627967
Is this English?

>>31627593
>he subscribes to the .460 Rowland meme
I've yet to see anyone explain how the Rowland brass is stronger than .45 Super brass, yet is ever-so-slightly thinner at the webbing. Before I do, I'm not putting my hand anywhere near a gun loaded with .460 Rowland. Even if it is, I don't want a compensator or ported barrel just to not batter the slide, and especially don't want those on my CC/HD pistol.

>>31622241
>all this talk
>probably owns no guns

>>31622293
>.40 does the same thing as 9mm, but slower
Most .40 rounds are a heavier bullet traveling faster than standard pressure 9mm loads.

>>31622134
Because I can't use a 5.7 as my carry weapon at work.

>>31627967

You know +P+ .45 ACP ammo exists and you know .45 Super exists....

But you still think your tiny caliber round choice is better even though its named even more??

>>31627922
You prefer circumference or cross sectional area?
Fuck off you autistic piece of shit.

>>31622134
9x25 can have as much energy as 5.56
5.7 has about as much as 9x18
I know what I'd choose

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>>31629190
You didn't answer my question, Mr Butthurt.

>>31629219
>Axis labeled "axis title"
Fucking fantastic

>>31629219
>45 gap nearly 100 ft-lbs over 45 acp
Is this true?

I really like the 5.7.
Lack of ammo and firearms are my deciding facot in not having one.
I think something like a Glock with a milled in RDS in 5.7 would be sick.
A vertical for grip, select fire and 30 round mags would make it a great pdw for someone who has an otherwise bulky and unwieldy weapon.
(Long range rifle, grenade launcher, tough book)

>>31625930
Fun fact; it is, for all intensive purposes, safe to shoot .40 in a G40 despite its being a 10mm. It's a similar argument as the .38-.357 argument, however since the .40 casing is fully supported in the chamber the headspace issue is irrelevant.

Before you switch back to 10mm though, give the chamber a good cleaning.

>>31628239
Whu the fuck would you use a pistol for HD?

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>>31630207
You could use an AR pistol.

But seriously. I think the main reason anyone would use a pistol for home defense is because money is tight enough where they need a single gun to work as CC and HD.

>>31630207
Because drywall is shit and I don't want my dog to get shot.