is there any wars you are against. What wars or countries would

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>>31603236
Vietnam war was pointless, even if it wasn't, it still didn't need a draft

Vietnam, war on drugs, Iraq (second invasion more so than first), Afghanistan. The US shouldn't act like they're the worlds police, if that's anybody's job it's the UN's. Regardless of how well they do it.

And honestly I think the hostility between US and Russia needs to stop. They'll never go to war but they need to get over their differences.

This is more of a >>>/pol/ question.

But yeah, the War on Drugs was dumb, Iraq was dumb, Vietnam was bungled.

Afghanistan fucking deserved it, and drone strikes are awesome. I will not be swayed on that position.

>>31603236

Basically everything after WWII has been a waste.

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>>31604853
>Drone strikes are awesome

Okay, Barry. I'm certain those Paki school kids agree.

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>>31604921
>people are against killing Muslims
>people think they can have nice things if they don't do basic pest control

Americans these days are sick fucks.

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>>31603236
>war on drugs

The only reason this has failed is because it was never treated like an actual war.

>>31604970

t. Neocon warmonger

kys you brainwashed sociopath

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>>31605037

>I don't understand supply and demand the post

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>>31605053
>people explicitly declare war on you
>figure out how to kill them without losing any of your dudes in return
>figure out how to minimize civilian casualties to the greatest possible extent by watching targets from the sky for hours or days
>people complain because apparently you aren't supposed to kill people in a war

LIBERALS GEET OOOOUUUUUT

>>31605037
>I don't like what you put in your body

You sound like a fucking retard

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>>31605060
>kill people demanding product
>demand disappears

I suppose being high does interfere with basic reasoning, though.

>>31605087
>muh body muh choice

Because fuck society and decency and shit, dude. Pass the bong!

>>31605122
See, this works.

The problem with the War on Drugs is that it goes after traffickers and dealers rather than users.

Nobody has the stomach for a war on users.

But yeah, the most effective way to actually do it is with treatment and education, but turning a bunch of niggers and liberals into nonvoters is too good to pass up.

>>31605086
Those Pakistani weddings sure were threatening!

Also
>Blow people up
>Surprised that they're pissed
>Blow up more people
>Why do they hate us?

I have no love for the Pakistanis but holy shit you'd need to be retarded to not see how our own operations are detrimental to the cause of reducing terrorism and radicalism.

>>31605086

>afghanistan declared war on the US

keep drinking that kool aid cuck

>Liberal

Do you paint anyone who calls out your idiocy as a Liberal?

>>31605122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk

>>31605294

Afghanistan/Iraq*

But hey, war crimes are 100% OKAY! so long as they are against people or nations I dislike.

>>31605122
>society and decency and shit
Anyone on /k/ should see those words as a big red flag

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>>31605323
>decency triggers /k/

Can't argue with that.

>>31605284
>he thinks Al Qaeda doesn't kill a shitload of civilians in their home countries

>>31605294
>Al Qaeda doesn't want to kill Americans

Seriously, I hate neocons. But you're going to have to do a little basic pest control every now and again, or they're going to manage to blow up a McDonalds and all the soccer moms will lose their shit.

It's hard to fuck with someone if your senior management has a 90% mortality rate.

>>31605147
Too many people are making money off the drug trade to end it

>>31605353

No shit they want to kill Americans, but I wonder why...maybe if the GOVT wouldn't stick their filthy parasitic fingers where they do not belong we wouldn't have these sorts of issues with half of the world out for our blood.

>>31605353
?
The US is openly arming and aiding al qaeda today.

>>31605353
>Thinking that's what I think
Genius. If we kill as indiscriminately as they do, we create more problems than we solve.

>>31605391
With no muslims, there wouldn't be a muslim problem.

Look at what the muslims have done to christian populations in the places they have conquered.
fuck em

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War is humanities natural state.
Same as fucking, eating, or taking a poop.
Does someone fucking cause you strife, OP?

>>31603236
Any war with a good enough reason to fight it should be fought :^)

>>31605412
Forced them to pay a tax?

>>31605380
See, I think people think this way because they want to believe in a fair world, and because they tend to see other people as being like them.

But Al Qaeda explicitly stated why it is they blow up US shit. They do it because there are US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. Osama is butthurt because he offered the Saudis his "mujihadeen" to fight off the Iraqis and the Saudis called the US instead.

Fundamentally, what pisses off jihadists is that there are Muslim countries that aren't governed by Sharia law. They see the West as the reason that those countries aren't.

Nothing, except for the entire Muslim world being governed by caliphs and shariah, will ever satisfy them.

It has nothing to do with justice, or freedom, or nationalism, or anything familiar to the American mind.

The US does a lot of stupid things, but sometimes people are just dicks without any American help.

It's not like the governments of Pakistan, Yemen, or Somalia are ever going to get competent enough to keep people from using their countries as a base to go fuck with actual humans.

>>31605407

I dislike Islam but not every Muslim ruler has commited atrocities against Christians you uneducated piece of filth.

>>31605439

No matter, it isn't the US' job to intervene in other peoples affairs. Period.

>>31605445
Yea we can spare the shias

>>31605435
Wew meant for >>31605407

>>31605407
How very collectivist. I imagine that you also bristle when people exclusively blame whites for slavery. It's the same shit.

Also, Spain under the moors wasn't too bad, compared to the Inquisition that came later. The Ottomans sucked, though.

>>31603262
Right? That was the dumbest shit.

>>31605486
mohammed spotted

The only acceptable was is one in defense. That means repelling an invading force within your own borders (and making sure they don't come back). It doesn't include "preemptively" invading another country.

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>>31605496
>Mohammed
>Mfw I'm a devout white Christian of Scandinavian descent

Is that the best argument you can muster in defense of your own shitty brand of collectivism?

>>31605502
what if we need slaves or resources?

>>31605511
Romans please go.

>>31605381
>openly
Yeah, nah.

>>31605477
It's our affairs though.

There's never going to be a world-spanning Morocco to Malaysia caliphate.

As long as this is the case, groups like Al Qaeda and IS are going to see the US and the other NATO countries we're sworn to defend as the source of this godlessness, and they will continue to try and nail bomb kindergartens and make everyone take off their shoes at the airport.

As much as I despise Obama, I see targeted killings of the enemy leadership as the most effective, ethical way to defend ourselves.

Like, our last attempt to "solve" the problem was just to invade the country they were using as a base.

That didn't work out well.

>>31605528
It's never been a secret, even if the media doesn't report on it

>>31605122
>kill people demanding product
>demand disappears
This

>>31605529
The problem with the targeted killings is that they are very often not terribly well targeted. Strikes are made on the barest thread of intel, and the fact we kill more bystanders than we do targets shows that.

>>31603236

I'm 100% for all the wars and conflicts we've been in as a nation. What I'm against is the bitch-mode half-ass ways we sabotage our own war efforts by lacking the fucking spine to see that shit through or actually engage in total war to achieve our objectives.

Fuck being the hearts-and-minds sorts of fuckers. We should be all hearts-and-minds right up until the second we get fucked with, our civilians get fucked with, or innocent 3rd parties get fucked with, in which case we should completely flip the fuck out and start levelling shit until our rage is sated, then go right back to being hearts-and-minds.

We're cool, but do not fuck with us.
Our efforts in OIF and OEF can basically be summed up as
We're cool, please don't mess wi- oh, that's a cultural thing? that's okay I guess. Uh, please stop raping little bo- oh, that's cultural too? Uhhhhh.

We should have been flipping the fuck out on that shit. Straight up executing motherfuckers. Decisive violence and the capacity to inflict violence is the only thing that entire 'culture' respects.

tl:dr I'm against wars if we're going to be bitches about it, I'm 100% for wars if we're actually going to fight to fucking win.

>>31605552
I'm honestly impressed the feds can actually get intel from these places at all.

But yeah, drone warfare is about as discriminate as it's possible to be in aerial warfare. You can circle overhead for hours looking for the right shot.

I'm willing to accept a ratio of two bystanders for every one target killed, if I'm honest. That's a lot less dead civilians than if we let the targets live.

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>>31605541
>>31605122

>War on drugs carried out by killing users
>Mfw you don't realize the same could be done to gun owners

It's like you people want the ATF to kill you and your dogs.

>>31605585
Sadly, the ratio is not nearly so good as that, especially with the frequency of misidentified targets and the occasional wedding.

>>31605613
The Red Cross said the US campaign in Pakistan killed like 300 targets and 600 civilians.

Or something like that.

You have to weigh it against the civilians the targets would have killed if they weren't suddenly liquified.

Pakistan has seen far, far more deaths due to terrorism than the US. Losing 50 or 60 people to a suicide bombing is like a weekly occurrence over there.

>>31605122
>Because fuck society and decency and shit, dude. Pass the bong!
Implying you can't be a decent person and still enjoy pot

>>31605147
>>31605365
>the only reason we don't murder drug users in the streets is because we're too pussy in America, and because of libruls!
Spotted the statists.

>>31605633
Some of the numbers I had seen were more like 1 to 5-10. Honestly, I think that comparing the number we killed to the number who would have died as justification is a pretty bad way of doing business, but that's just me.

>>31605654
It's not authoritarian when you're protecting muh decency!

>>31605654
I never said it was a smart idea, I said it worked.

You have to attack drug users to stop drug use.

China accomplished this by killing their families in front of the entire town.

A competent country accomplishes this with treatment and education.

>>31603236
Only war that is worth fighting for is against a country that attacks your own soil

>>31604921

If you lived in Britain and had to deal with Pakis on a regular basis, you'd support drone strikes too

>>31605708
what about to claim more living space for your people
What about to punish the infidel or the heretic
What about Rahowah?

>>31605730
I could say the same thing about the Blitz, based on the interactions I've had with some Brits.

Libya. We shouldnt have Killed ghadafi. He wasnt a great man by any means, but he kept that country in line.

Benghazi should never have happened.

>>31605764
The devil you know is preferable to the one you don't.

>>31605746
US anon here. Brits can be hoity-toity faggots but they're nowhere near as worthless as Pakis. Dealt with examples of both in AFG and also here at home. Pakis and Albanians are about the worst possible kebabs out there.

Saudis aren't far behind in depravity but usually they don't get too crazy because most of them in the US are fucking rich. So instead of raping their neighbors kids they just rev straight-piped lambos at 2am.

>>31605781
All demographics have shitty people in their ranks, Brits, Pakis, Saudis, and Albanians just as anyone else. And just because some people are assholes doesn't mean they deserve to be killed.

As an aside, I actually quite like the Brits. Had an excellent conversation with a Brit army major at an Airshow over there. Had a few laughs about butchers blowing the smell of bacon to piss off muslims.

>>31605122
> I want to go gamble all of my rent money at a casino and inject a potentially lethal dose of bleach directly into my eye.

>Alright. Nothing illegal about that.

> I want to spend all of my rent money on heroin and inject a potential lethal dose of heroin directly into my eye

> DEA shoots your dog, throws flashbang into your baby's crib, puts you behind bars for 20-life

>ITT: statists who somehow have the moral high ground because muh greater good

It's like you're asking for more funding of 3 letters agencies

>>31603236
>What wars or countries would you be against going to wars against.
Any non-Muslim white or Asian country with the lone exception of North Korea.

>>31605122
its not about killing users ether philopines has a treatment policy for people on drugs but the war is on the drug sellers

kill the sellers and no drugs exsist

>>31606895
>kill the sellers and no drugs exsist

This doesn't work.

>kill the sellers
>price of drugs rises because demand exceeds supply
>drugs are notoriously unit inelastic to begin with
>new people move into market because it's suddenly so much more profitable to do so

>>31605037
It really was.... and is I guess

>>31606982
This.

It's why Prohibition was so unsuccessful. But statists cannot into economics beyond what they want to understand.

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If it breaths, i'll kill it.

>>31606982
This is what happened when Taliban declared the opium ban back in 2000-2001. They had that ban on for a year. Opium prices soared and all kinds of weirdness ensued in the market and amongst the addicts worldwide.

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I don't give a fuck, let's keep having more wars.

not like complaining and debating ever gotten those casualties back to life

>>31605439
You hit the nail on the head. This is what leftists refuse to understand. As long as you're not muslim they can justify killing people plain and simple.

Interesting vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t98WRrOPj2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMQ0B2ivjPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc

>>31607260
You see, cracking down on cultivation is marginally effective.

Presumably if the ban had continued, Southeast Asia and Latin America would have ramped up production to cash in on the new market.

Cracking down on the people who transport it from the fields to the streets is the dumbest way to do it.

>>31607344
is this all propaganda or real shit?

>>31608765
It's real shit. He briefed senior officials for years before being forced to resign.

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The only war I know to have been completely useless was the Vietnam war, I don't know enough about the wars following the Gulf War to comment, but judging from the current state of the middle east it definitely seems like it was a waste of time

Vietnam
>ROE ruined by politics
>Bodycount versus territory essentially made all the major engagements short of the VC/NVA assaulting major bases worthless because they would just melt away afterwards and retake the lost ground once the Americans/Allied forces left
>Incompetence of Nixon to push the offensive due to the treehuggers back home (Who were in all instances right about Vietnam being a lost cause)
>Nixon's incompetence to push the offensive into Cambodia due to public outcry ruined the best chance the Americans had in the entire war to destroy the NV HQ
>Inability of 90% of ARVN units to fight and hold ground despite years of American training, millions of dollars in aid and massive amounts of US equipment and air support meant that there was no chance of them being able to defend South Vietnam from the communists
>America's interference in a legitimate election is in many ways unethical and anti freedom, they just wanted to build a puppet state
>Complete failure of America's military might to defeat the NVA/VC in guerrilla warfare
>Bombing campaigns like rolling thunder which were for all intents and purposes, worthless for anything other than demoralising the enemy
>The fall of Saigon shortly after American withdrawal meant that the war was for nothing
Anyone who says that Vietnam was a war worth fighting is stupid, brainwashed or ignorant

>>31605529
>It's our affairs though.

In what way is it our affairs? Are you unaware that the only reason there is such a spread of jihadism is the US/West ACTIVELY PROMOTING IT?

How many secular leaders have been removed by US action so far? The whole arab spring was organized by US government & NGO's.

So no, the affairs of muslims are not ours, and we need to keep our hands out of it, except when we are reclaiming christian land from them.

>>31609082
>Are you unaware that the only reason there is such a spread of jihadism is the US/West ACTIVELY PROMOTING IT?

This is bullshit though.

Clinton was essentially isolationist.

>>31609111
>This is bullshit though.
ah ok because I must have been dreaming when he bombed the serbs for the benefit of terrorist albanians?
Or the long term US support of the biggest funder of jihadism, Saudi Arabia?

>>31609137
Serbs are worse than Albanians though.

Really, bombing Serbs is something we should do every ten years or so on general principle.

>>31609167
And what about them threatening war with Russia because their moderate jihadist pals are getting cockblocked?

Or invading Iraq?

>>31603236
WW1 was the saddest event in human history. 38 million people died, many in horrific, gruesome ways. Europe shelled itself into oblivion. And it was all for nothing. It was started in hubris and ignorance, and ended none of the differences that caused it. It also led directly to communism, nazism, and indirectly to radical islam. Every single problem we have faced since 1918 was caused almost directly by WW1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqba0IUdiBk

>>31609202
>things that happened after terrorists started bombing the shit out of the US

Face it, sand niggers just need to be bombed.

It's the way the world is.

>>31604765
proxy wars, combat experience, and justifiable spending

i support all wars. kill till the last drop of blood.

>>31609227
the US government is 100% complicit in all these bombings

All these foreign adventures in the mid east are for the purpose of advancing Israeli foreign policy.

>>31609254
Occam's razor brah

It's not hard to get together 19 idiots with box cutters, especially when the country you're attacking with said idiots is relaxing all the security because the Cold War is over.

>>31605037
He compared himself to hitler

>but that's a good thing xdd

>>31609279
It's not a coincidence that there was a major attack the same year a neo-con is elected.

>>31609312
Only whites are brainwashed against Hitler

>>31609333
There were attacks under Clinton too.

Embassies got blown up, US naval vessels got hit by suicide dinghies, Clinton himself very nearly got nailed by a bomb hidden under a road bridge when he was visiting Indonesia.

In 2001, nobody was looking for terrorists. Nobody cared. It was open season for anyone who wanted rack up a body count.

>>31607347
When it took off again after the invasion NATO really should have just fucking bought it ourselves, and processed it into legit drugs and shit.

>>31608996
And that's not even counting that there never should have been a Vietnam War to begin with. Ho Chi Mihn was an Ameriboo who fought with us against the Japanese and only signed on with the Commies after we turned his country back into a French colony. And then after he finally managed to kick them out, we stepped in again, interfered, and installed a corrupt dictator who immediately started persecuting most of the country on religious grounds (they weren't Catholic). And people are fucking surprised the Vietnamese threw so much into it, it wasn't about spreading communism for them, it was about liberating half of their country from the latest in a long series of invaders.

>>31609451
These days the US gets most of our smack from plantations in Mexico and Colombia.

The stuff grown in Afghanistan goes to Europe and Asia.

Apparently Iran is one of the most drug addicted countries on earth on account of their active border.

>>31609451
I have a lot of respect for the Vietnamese. They've been the underdog for a long, long time.