>if you own a gun you're more likely to shoot yourself

you are statistically, but an individual is no more likely to kill themselves if they have a gun if they aren't suicidal. Access to a gun can make a violent person a murderer or a depressed person suicidal, but a normal person with a gun won't grow the need to kill someone/themself.

>>31600427
In your case, we can only hope.

>>31600427
The following statement is also true
>if you buy a car you're more likely to crash the car and kill yourself or/and your loved ones in the crash
But they always "counter" with something like "yeah but you need a car!"
They don't reply to me suggesting they get a bike or use public transportation

>>31600595
a car is much more in the category of "normal everyday use" than a gun is

>>31600609
4U

>>31600609
>he doesn't even operate

>>31600609
But statistics say it's true. I never heard someone die in car related death in a car free zone.


Car suck anyways. They outdated and waste of material. Give it up

>>31600427
Owning a pool greatly increases your chances of drowning in your back yard.

>>31600661
>I never heard someone die in car related death in a car free zone.

What?

>>31600671
when's the last time you heard of someone getting run over inside a school?

>>31600427
If you own a Super car you are more likely to get speeding tickets.

Everyone who has ever died has breathed air. BY OP's logic I recommend all faggots immediately save themselves.

>>31600427
Lately it really has felt that way

>>31600427
More likely than what? That statement is literally meaningless.

>>31600609
you don't shoot your guns every day?
are you poor, or just stupid?
only one is excusable

>>31600671
Hesrightyouknow.jpg

>>31600694
More like not drive it at all.

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>>31600427
>100% of all gun crimes are committed by gun owners.

>>31600427
Yea, and shark attacks happen almost exclusively in shallow water

>>31600609
Tell that to police, mil, security, you fucking child.

You have to be 18 to post here, btw.

>>31600539

you wot?

>>31601809
Well...I suppose, maybe technically.

The obvious (intentional) miscommunication in hearing that is the inferred "lawful gun owner" as opposed to the literal meaning of "one who, through whatever means, is currently in possession/ownership of a gun."

Logic puzzles, man. Liberals invent them without even realizing it.

>>31600661
Calais?

>>31601888
>(intentional) miscommunication
of course intentional, nice digits btw

>>31600427

She actually grew up to be kinda hot, FYI.

>>31600427

Statistically true.

>>31600609
Is it everyday use if I carry it everyday?

>>31600427

Just face it /k/. You are statistically more likely to shoot someone you love than a "dindu" who is invading your house. I ride a motorbike and like to think that I'm a safe rider and that everyone who gets cleaned up on the roads was riding dangerously. But statistically that's just not the case. I'm not saying you can't own guns. But face it. This is reality.

>>31601878
how could you possibly have any trouble understanding his post?

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>>31600427
>>31602110
What if I am incapable of love?

>>31600609
yes and they kill proportionately more people, so it doesnt matter

>>31602110
The stats include the parents who have kids and keep a loaded pistol on the bedside with the safety off.
If you follow all the rules and you are not a psycho you are not more likely to kill yourself. This is not how statistics work.

>>31602110
I have no family members that live with me or visit me. I have no friends that visit me.

My gun sits in a safe until I take it to the range. It also has the bolt removed and placed in a separate, locked section of the safe, as per storage laws (australian).

Even if I didn't have draconian storage laws, the statistical probability of me shooting myself (depressed but not suicidal), or somebody I love (no close family/friends/loved ones in my house, ever, in the last 5 years) is almost as miniscule as Hillary Clinton's compassion for human life.

>>31602110
Just like I'm statistically more likely to get in a car crash within a mile from home because that's the most likely area for me to be.
It doesn't mean that it will ever happen, nigger.

>>31602415
and with that, proper target identification or driving defensively, prevents those issues.

>>31601888
No, tripsman, the liberals invent them intentionally to fit their own arguments.

Remember back when "liberal" meant "one advocating for the liberty of the individual" as opposed to "one advocating for the liberty of the state to impose upon the individual?"

>>31600689
Nice France?

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>>31600427
>a loved one
But do you really love them if you shoot them?

>>31602516
This some from my old school were there...

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>>31600661
Nice, France truck homicide. That's just one from the top of my head and there's many more. Are you even trying at this point?

>>31600427
Yes, and?

>>31602539
I think there was one in China where a guy went nuts and ran over a bunch of people and when his vehicle got disabled he began stabbing.

>>31600609
Soon they'll legislate away the ability to drive with autonomous vehicles coming up

>>31602110
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Congratulations...you did it all.

>>31601809
>100% of all murders are committed by murderer

>>31602569
>100% of all gun deaths are caused by firearms

>>31602553
Yeah, that was a tractor and he killed 11 people.

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>>31602577
>100% people alive will die
>life is sexually transmitted with a 100% fatality rate

It was good knowing you, guys.

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>>31602553
Some crazy chink slit the throats of seventeen neighbors to cover up his parents' murder. The argument was over money. He did with a kitchen knife.

The plain and simple fact is that humans are killing machines. We have evolved to kill in the
most efficient ways available.

Twelve thousand years ago, some proto-dindu bashed a rock against another rock and started a fire.

Twelve thousand years later, here we are, debated whether or not we should ban fire.

>>31602594
>100% of all cancer patients came in contact with air.
>Air causes cancer

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>>31602594
Fuck dude, see you in Valhalla, or whatever.

>>31602110
Oh well I am still going to have loaded carbines leaned against the wall next to my bed with no gunlocks on.

>>31600427
>>31600539
This is based on the fact that Hemenway the dishonest economist only considers justifiable homicide a defensive gun use.

If you have a toaster you are more likely to shock yourself in a bathtub than homes without toasters, statistically speaking.

>>31601809
Thats not true, many shootings are committed by people who stole guns and never fired one before.

>bad guys
like my family or myself

>>31602110
Shut up you fucking limey, and stop speaking on matters you don't understand. I don't have to shoot a person to successfully defend myself. There are 500K defensive gun uses on the low end.

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>>31602667
>falling for low quality bait

>>31602606
>100% of people breath
>Hitler breathed as well
You're literally the same as hitler

>>31602725
>100% of all Nazis ate bread
>bread makes you a Nazi

>>31602745
I knew it my commie grandpa is a nazi

>>31602645
What non-defensive gun homicides uses are justified kek

>>31600427
have gun.
>middle of night gun climbs next to my ear, anon why you no kiss me.
>I cant kiss you gun you are not a girl..
>but anon I love you.
>anime face
> oh desu
>makeout noises
> oh anon take me
>oh yeah
>bang
>in other news a local man was found dead in his house naked with a gunshot wound to the head.

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>>31600792
>than any bad guys
how bad is your reading comprehension?

op may be a faggot, but you are even worse

>>31600427
>if you own a security system you're more likely to have a false alarm than a real one.

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>>31602796
>Be my
>Russia
>Sleep mossin
>Mosin wake up
>Mosin asks sex
>I say you gun no sex
>He dick me
>Cry
>Mosin dick me harder
>Cry more hard
>Go to gulag for dick gun
>mfw

>>31602830
>Be my>Russia>Sleep mossin >Mosin wake up>Mosin asks sex >I say you gun no sex>He dick me>Cry>Mosin dick me harder >Cry more hard>Go to gulag for dick gun
I'm so sorry you were rapped by your futa gun..
Is the abuser still with you in the gulag, Russian guns are very possessive

>>31602848
Ja, he dick me harder now. Glorious leader dick me also. I use toaster posting before glorious leader cum back for dicking

>>31600427
MDA or someone put out a response to the NRA's "Don't Let Hillary leave you with a phone" stuff by basically saying that for every one time a gun is used in self-defense, it's used to murder 7 times (which we all know is bunk anyway), and the way they worded it really makes it sound like as soon as you use it defensively you're going to go on a murder spree. I thought it was amusing.

>>31602848
wait they are guys and not futas anon those aren't guns those are Russian soldiers.

>>31600689
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Driver-dies-two-injured-after-car-slams-into-9189227.php

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/28/san-leandro-oakland-man-dies-in-car-crash-into-middle-school/

http://www.local10.com/news/car-crashes-into-front-window-of-miami-arts-charter-school

>>31602893
>basically saying that for every one time a gun is used in self-defense, it's used to murder 7 times (which we all know is bunk anyway), and the way they worded it really makes it sound like as soon as you use it defensively you're going
probably because of chiraq, fact is we don't have a gun problem but a suicide and gang problem. If guns became harder to get suicidal people will move to alternative methods like pills and exit bags which have a higher chance of failure and more likely to leave a brain damaged individual behind instead of a body, while the gangsters will continue to get illegal firearms no matter what.

>>31602745
so the gluten free people really are right, we're all nazis

>>31603275
they're kikes

>>31603340
all the ones I've met were skinny anaemic blonde chain smokers in yoga pants; you know, the master race

>>31600609
Still could be replaced by public transportation.

If you don't need a gun because police will protect you, you don't need a car because the public transportation will drive you.

Why do you need a car? You want to drive somewhere the government doesn't want you to? How many children have to die in car crashes before you wake up?

>>31600689
I'm sure it happened at least once.

>>31600427
fI you own a POOL you're more likely to DROWN yourself or a loved one than any bad guys

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>>31600427
at least say it right so it fits that heavily flawed stat. it's "you're more likely to shoot your self or someone you know than to kill an intruder" so you can could the stocker you know that you shot and suicides to make it work by not counting intruders shot and wounded or scared away.

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>>31602516

lel too soon

>>31602893
>the way they worded it really makes it sound like as soon as you use it defensively you're going to go on a murder spree. I thought it was amusing.

Once you've tasted blood, anon...

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>>31600609
> police men & women
> security guards
> soldiers
> every other person carrying a pistol daily

what are you, british?

>>31604088
>all those bullet holes by the passenger side

Why?

>>31604401

Maybe the british special forces were trying to help

>>31604401
peace love & tolerance

>>31604088
possible they could have been shooting from the truck's right side as it was oncoming, by the side of the road -- rather than directly in front of it. thus, any misses and even hits are likely to have entry points closer to the right passenger side, even if their trajectories ended up going through the driver's side and hitting the driver

>>31604768
meant for >>31604401

>>31604401
A dumbass has to ask this whenever its posted

>>31600609
>be merican
>wake up
>fire gun to wake family
>make coffee
>tastes like shit
>shoot coffee machine
>get starbucks on way to work
>shoot cashier because left wallet at home
>leave scene with $30 cup of sugar and cream
>on route to work, have a highway shootout with cops
>get to work
>boss shoots at me for not making him enough money
>have shootout at work
>get home
>shoot gun to let wife know I'm home
>wife can't hear me because she's fucking Tyrone upstairs
>shoot self

It's an integral part of modern civilization.

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>>31600427
I am 33 years old , I have guns , my family has always had guns , they have shot no strangers or loved ones.

Soo ??

>>31600427
look at me, i am your neighbor now

>>31604896
kek

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>>31602410
>I have no family members that live with me or visit me. I have no friends that visit me
>tfw

>>31600427
I've gone 43 years and have yet to have done it.

Sootch00 on the other hand, must have a family cemetary in his backyard.

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>>31602400

>safety

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>>31604432

>>31600427
Statistically this is true.

But anyone with a basic understanding of statistics also understands that correlation does not always equate to causation.

>>31604401
>burgers

>>31600427
Yes, and by driving a car I am more likely to get into an auto accident.

Fucking duh.

>>31602913
jesus hahaha

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>>31602796
pic very related

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>>31600427
>if you own a gun you're more likely to shoot yourself or a loved one than any bad guys

This anti-gun fundie myth was disproved years ago, when the NRA finally got the "researcher" to release his data for peer review and it was discovered he had specifically limited his study to the highest crime areas, obviously skewing the results to the point they were irrelevant.

Of course this hasn't stopped anti-gun fundies and the media from continuing to quote this lie...

>>31607170
Sauce

>>31602785
Rebellion against a tyrant state.

>>31602577
Nah. I'm sure that some people are killed by buttstroking every once in a while.

>>31600427

What if yourself or your loved one is a bad guy?

Checkmate atheists.

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>>31600427
>Let's not turn this cherry picking of statistics into a murder
*unzips penis*

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>>31600427
But... thats true? Just because you greentext it and post a funny image doesn't make it any less of a fact.

>>31607284

You’re going to have to do your own leg work.

At the time, I read about it in the NRA’s American Rifleman magazine, who spent a year pressuring the “researcher” to disclose his raw data, where they discovered he’d cherry picked it all, going to the shittiest crime ridden crack-dealing neighborhoods to do his study and then turned around to claim that it proved that everyday average whitebread Americans would shoot their baby children if there was a gun in the house.

Of course by the time he gave up the goods, the myth had been firmly implanted in the minds of no gunz dumbasses by the Mainstream Media and continues to be regurgitated today as the God’s honest truth…

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>>31609640
Here's a place to start.

Dr. Kellermann (whose first name apparently doesn't matter) was the fuckwit that posted the lies. Pic related was a Google search that took about a minute to piece together from first starting at "7x more likely to kill loved one gun myth disproven", which arguably wasn't my best idea.

However, the hard part is done.

Bonus tidbit: Kellermann stated in interviews that, should his wife be attacked, he would prefer her to have a gun.

>>31610321
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/doctors-epidemic.htm

Mods need to X this thread OP needs to go to /pol/

This same question pops every day or two same autist

>>31602785
You don't need to kill someone to have that be considered self-defense.

>>31601809
> 100% of murderers were huffing atmosphere when committing their murders.

How many more people have to die before we ban atmosphere?

>>31610457
they also drink water or fluids created using water
the world is covered 75% by water
THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC

>>31610499
Also, did you know that recently discovered evidence shows that Hitler consumed sugar?

>>31600427
>If you own a car you're more likely to crash yourself or a loved one than any bad guys

Wow, who knew?

>>31610412
>The Kellermann researchers collected all of the 1,860 official reports of homicides in the three counties. They excluded all homicides that did not occur in the victim's "home." Cases involving the homicide victim under 13 years old were excluded, too. They counted multiple murders and murder-suicides as single homicides to avoid double counting.23They excluded cases where homeowners killed intruders.24

>The Kellermann researchers wanted to see whether having a gun in a person's home increased or decreased that person's security. They wanted to compare the residents' risk of homicide in homes with and without guns. The specific question was whether, all other things being equal, persons who possessed firearms in their homes were more likely to be homicide victims than persons who did not possess firearms in their homes.

>From the official homicide investigation records the researchers got the victims' age, race, sex, and the police reconstruction of the incident. Three weeks after the death of the homicide victim, the researchers contacted a friend or relative of the victim. That friend or relative would serve as the "proxy" for the victim. The proxy would answer the researchers' questions on behalf of the victim. Each victim's proxy described that victim's use of alcohol or drugs, living arrangements, security precautions, history of previous violence, and gun ownership.25In epidemiology jargon, each victim was a "case."

>The researchers also selected a "control group." A control group is supposed to be made up of persons who matched the "cases." Thus, the "control" for each "case" was a person who lived in the same neighborhood as the victim, and who was also of the same sex, age range, and race as the victim.26

From a peer-review standpoint, his methodology was absolute dogshit. I'm not saying I know how to make it better offhand, but it wasn't anywhere near where it needed to be in order to be posted as reliable data and results.

Statistics doesn't account for stupid fucks. All weapons must be properly secured and kids need to know not to play with guns from a young age.

>>31610530
Shut your fucking mouth. I consume sugar too!

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>>31610647
>all other things being equal

And there’s the rub; if you collect your crime data in Detroit, you’re going to find a lot more murders among family members then in Mayberry…

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>>31609640
>I read about it in the NRA’s American Rifleman magazine

>>31600665
But anon, pools don't kill people.

Lack of oxygen kills people!

>>31610713
fucking nazi

>>31611136
What if the pool is filled with perfleurocarbon?

>>31604401
Because it was his best friends ride, and he was hanging out the side, trying to holla at me

Libs act like suicide isn't a personal choice.
Check your privilege libshits!
If I wanna suck a 12g cock one day, that's my choice!

>>31600427
Suicide rates don't correlate with gun ownership. People who own guns are just more likely to use them to commit suicide because they're quicker.

In Korea, which is nogunz, they have much higher suicide rates and they mostly do it by drinking pesticides. Thank you very much but I'm not going to die foaming at the mouth because you don't like steel.

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>>31612780
Then Beany won't drown.

>>31611136
The analogy doesn't work if there isn't a contrast between a sapient actor and an inanimate object, moron.

>>31613790
>Stupidity meets sarcasm

Stupidity wins again!

You got me anon. It doesn't make sense. I'll try to think of something you'll understand!

>How about this one!

If there is a microwave in the house.

Crackheads are 100% more likely to microwave their babies!

>Did you get that one?

>>31600609
Now days but for the longest in America The Land of the Free every day was a 2nd amendment the right to bare arms for food and safety it's not a necessity but it's a right if you don't want one then don't use 1.

>>31602913
Well you shut his up with this 1 lol

>>31600427
Well no shit

>>31603691
People get run over by busses kids get accidentally hit by school buses every thing can kill you don't be tired in school and fall asleep with a pencil in your hand you can accidentally stab your eye and get led poisoning

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>>31600427

seeing as you're standing still, at close range you're the easiest target. let's see you try to shoot yourself at distance while taking evasive action.

>>31602605
Fire was much further back than 12k btw

>>31610321
(((Kellermann)))