Now that the dust has settled, can we talk about how much .40S&W

>>31594523
Now that the dust has settled, can you accept that .22 is all you really need?

>>31594523
Like most bad ideas, it was made with the best intentions.

very much.

>Now that the dust has settled,can we stir it back up with another shitpost extravaganza

I'm sad it accidentally killed .356TSW but the little 10mm special has don't nothing to me

>>31594523
Nah.

It's got nearly the same power as .45, but more capacity and velocity. JHP also get good expansion.

There's really isn't a whole lot to hate about it unless you want start factoring in snowflake rounds.

>>31594523

We have 9X19 in lieu of 9X25.
How is it a bad idea?
Better to ask " was this a failed idea".
And even then the discussion is in doubt.

>>31595150
>weaker than 9mm and 45acp
>more recoil than 9mm and 45acp

Maybe 20 years ago it filled that niche of power and capacity, but it's time has passed. It'll never die due to the number of guns chambered in it though

>>31594523
Its great for people without bitchwrists.

>>31594523
It's a fine round. I switched all my guns to 9mm because it's cheaper not because it's better.

>>31595198
bitch, please. it was made for people with bitchwrists.

>>31595228
Literally this

>>31594627
I see what your saying but I have to somewhat disagree.
10mm at least has its reasons but it was also an overreaction to a situation where handgun rounds would never have helped the responding officers- what they needed were carbines.
Downloading 10mm to .40 defeated the original flawed goal.
I really don't think it was the best intentions. It was a goofy flawed logic that tried to make handguns more effectice than what they are.

>>31595150
>It's got nearly the same power as .45, but more capacity and velocity
Meanwhile 9mm Luger already offers similar power with higher capacity and less recoil.

>>31595197
>It'll never die due to the number of guns chambered in it though
I'm sure people said that about .32-20 and .32 Longue

>>31595198
>literally made because actual 10mm was too much for FBI agents to handle
How proponents of .40 can argue this without irony never ceases to amaze.

>>31595275
>It was a goofy flawed logic that tried to make handguns more effectice than what they are.
I don't think the feds ever admitted what a terrible tactical error they made, better blame the (wrong) guns.

>>31595228
>>31595244
Yeah, thats why the FBI switched to 9mm if you can read between the lines. Females and bitchwrists can't handle .40 Just look here.

>>31595197
>>31595279
>How proponents of .40 can argue this without irony never ceases to amaze.

We bring it up because that is the same reasoning .40 is being ditched. Bitch wrists, and that is the reasoning 9mm owners bitch about it. Do you carry a G20?

>>31595310
females and bitchwrists not being able to handle 10 mm long&strong is the sole reason .40 short&weak exists.

>>31595408
But .40 short&weak has more power than 9mm

>>31595150
>fudd selling 9mm: the post

>>31595543
Right, that's the point.
>10mm is invented
>FBI loves the ballistics
>female diversity-hire agents scream and cry when firing 10mm
>FBI tries to compromise between 10x25 and 9x19 with .40 short'n'weak
>female diversity-hire agents scream and cry when firing .40 S&W
>FBI says "fuck this all to hell" and goes back to 9mm

>>31595279
>Meanwhile 9mm Luger already offers similar power with higher capacity and less recoil.
bitch wrists, sorry but female fbi agents handle 40 mr 9

>>31595543
Yes, but the same people who bring that up(people like you) never actually shoot 10mm, and just use that point to deflect from your own bitch wrists.

Also this whole "9mm is good now .40 is useless" memetrain exists because of female bitch wrists in the FBI.

>>31595561
Except your point is that .40 is useless because the FBI doesn't use it anymore. When really its because you and the other bitchwrists have an excuse to make to yourself on why you can't handle .40.

I love my 40sw.
I love my 9
I love my 45
I love all my rounds

>>31595641
Sorry this^ was meant for him>>31595408

>>31594523
>now that the dust has settled

Nigga what? It's fucking settled years ago, this has been discussed to death. Legit kill yourself

>>31595660
You have extremely poor reading comprehension. THE ONLY REASON IT EXISTS AT ALL is that bitchwrists couldn't handle 10mm. Since the bitchwrists still couldn't handle .40S&W, it's useless. Anyone who wants more power than 9/.45 goes to 10mm or .45 Super.

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>>31595660
>Muh Epeen for buying an objectively inferior round!
Worse recoil
Longer follow up time
Significantly lower capacity
Much higher cost per round
Same permanent wound cavity

Darren "dindunuffin" Brown took 7 shots of .40 short and weak before he dropped. Maybe with a more controllable round the officer could have actually hit his CNS on more than the last shot

>>31595710
>THE ONLY REASON IT EXISTS AT ALL is that bitchwrists couldn't handle 10mm.

The thing is 10mm is also too big of a gun to be as useful as .40 though.

>Since the bitchwrists still couldn't handle .40S&W, it's useless.

Except it isn't, because it gives us non-bitchwrists a round that is more powerful. The fact is women shouldn't be in law enforcement.

>Anyone who wants more power than 9/.45 goes to 10mm or .45 Super.

Literally 5 people do this. Stop acting like those meme rounds are used by anyone including yourself.

>>31595780
>The thing is 10mm is also too big of a gun to be as useful as .40 though.
There are tiny pocket carry 10mm Glocks. .40 gains nothing in magazine capacity and costs power per shot.

>>31595673
FINALLY
>stillhopeforhumans.jpg

>>31595807
>So using this mentality, how do you defend the FBI decision to do exactly the same thing to .40S&W and step down to 9mm?
They underestimated the degree of the bitchwrists problem.

>>31595740
>>Worse recoil
>>Longer follow up time

Not in a gun built for the round, also I out shoot my 9mm glock owning friends.

>>Significantly lower capacity

2 shots is not significant, unless you suck at shooting, or think you will get into 30 round+ shoot outs with just your hand gun.

>Much higher cost per round

Its a few cents difference, which means 1000 brass is only 50 dollars more than 9mm.

>Same permanent wound cavity

Not true at all, and you are ignoring the fact that penetration is far more important.

>Darren "dindunuffin" Brown took 7 shots of .40 short and weak before he dropped.

Yeah, the first 6 were in his arm, Shot placement is king, the last one went through his forehead, the hardest bone in the human body. 9mm would have just deflected.

>Maybe with a more controllable round the officer could have actually hit his CNS on more than the last shot

He did, on the last shot.

>>31595816
>There are tiny pocket carry 10mm Glocks.
No there isn't you nogunz fuck. The G29 is the size of a G19. Unless you wear Jncos then you aren't pocket carrying that shit. Who am I kidding, you probably do where JNCOs since most people on /k/ have 1980s computer programmers style fashion.

>.40 gains nothing in magazine capacity and costs power per shot.

The grip has better circumference so it fits in most peoples hands better.

>>31595830
>Muh 40 stopping powuh!
>Can't hit shit
>Beaten to death after causing superficial damage to attacker after not even being able to make minute of bad guy

>>31594523
Now that the dust has settled, are you gonna lose weight before the next time you walk outside?

>>31595830
>9mm would have just deflected.
maybe if it was loaded with marshmallows.

>>31595310
it barely has any more recoil than the 9mm, I seriously doubt recoil and female agents are the reason they switched to a different caliber. They're probably replacing all the worn out sidearms anyway and went with the more economical round. All the major limitations that forced them to switch to begin with are gone.

>>31596087
>I seriously doubt recoil and female agents are the reason they switched to a different caliber.
You haven't seen the fat useless sacks of shit that are attracted to affirmative-action slots in government jobs.

>>31595862
>Muh 40 stopping powuh!

Learn how to read, I never talked about stopping power.

>Beaten to death after causing superficial damage to attacker after not even being able to make minute of bad guy

Who was beaten to death?

What the fuck are you smoking?

>9mm performs just as well, if not better, than 40S&W
>Every starts to see this
>Make the switch to 9mm
>B-BITCH WRISTS

ok

>>31595861
Have both a 29 and a19. U r a cunt.

>>31595543
not enough to make a difference - FBI

>>31596168
>9mm performs just as well, if not better, than 40S&W

This isn't a true statement and never was. Show me who actually said this.

>>31596184
Then you would know the G29 is not a pocket pistol unless you shart in the mart.

>>31595861
>Unless you wear Jncos then you aren't pocket carrying that shit.
Skinnyjeans wearing numale detected.

>>31596274
Lol, even regular levis can't pocket carry the G29.

>>31595279
>9mm Luger already offers similar power

Wrong. Typical loads have place .40 with 20-30% more power than the 9mm.

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> it's like bitches don't even know...

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>tfw i fell for the .40 meme
What do i do? its so pretty and brand-new. Should i convert it to 9mm? or sell it?

>>31596304
Compare defensive loads of both, the difference in penetration and cavitation is minor.

I'll gladly trade a tiny bit of penetration and cavitation for less recoil and more capacity.

>>31596249
If you look at the statement completely literally, sure.

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>>31594523
>tfw bought a siggy in .40 on sale because I thought .40 was a good round
STOP BULLYING HER SHE DINDU NUFFIN

>>31596338
>hotrodding .40S&W loads
I'll never understand people who do this, that's what 10x25mm Auto is for.

Unless you want a Beretta I guess and there are no 10mm guns (even though a 96A1 kind of pistol with a Brigadier slide would lend itself quite well to being a 10mm)

>>31596835
There isn't anything inherently wrong with .40

9mm and 10mm are just better.

>>31596651
Getting a glock in .40 is truly stupid. Should have went HK or SIG.

>>31596788

>If you look at the statement completely literally, sure.

Don't try and be coy, you said something stupid and can't defend it.

>>31596844
That's not hot-rodding.
Even the faster laod is still well under max pressure.

>>31594523
It's a great idea for carbines.
Which are great for home defense in the no fun allowed states.
And it's fun to shoot.

>>31595740
Don't forget guns battering themselves to death.

>>31595780
>10mm is also too big of a gun to be as useful as .40 though.
.40 is only very slightly shorter

An FN FNX10 could pretty much feature the same dimensions as the FNX45 with a capacity of 16+1

>>31596893
I'm not the same poster, I'm just defending his reasoning.

>>31596788
>defensive loads
>penetration

You're already fucking up.

>>31596926
>It's a great idea for carbines.
It's inferior to 9mm in carbines for the exact same reasons it's inferior in pistols.

>>31596944
>Don't forget guns battering themselves to death.

Only poor fag guns like Glock and CZ batter themselves in .40.

>An FN FNX10 could pretty much feature the same dimensions as the FNX45 with a capacity of 16+1

Yeah, the FNX .45 is a big gun, and is not the same size as the FNS line at all. That just proves my point, you need a .45 sized gun to house 10mm, and they don't make subcompacts very well.

>>31596960
His reasoning is stupid. He thinks shooting gel blocks on a rubbermaid table is how combat works.

>>31595807
>how do you defend the FBI decision to do exactly the same thing to .40S&W and step down to 9mm?
Because it was phenomenally retarded of the FBI to switch to a larger pistol cartridge in response to a massive tactical blunder (Miami shootout), and they should have stuck with 9mm to begin with to save time and money (because 10mm or .40S&W pistols would not have stopped a berserking army ranger from lighting you and your co-workers up with a rifle).

The entire premise of the FBI going to 10mm and then .40 was inherently flawed and non-sensical.

>>31596965
Because the FBI recommended penetrative depth is a bad goal to strive for?

If both 9mm and .40 do it, but 9mm let's me shoot more and faster, what does .40 actually offer me?

>>31594539
Sup Bill Burr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNvbeCTRO8

>>31597072
The reason they switched was because with hollow points 9mm couldn't penetrate deep enough. The bullet that would have killed him stopped just an inch short of his heart. If it was 10mm or .40 it would have kept going and stopped the guy.

>>31596788
Its not just a tiny bit of penetration, but then again you think penetration means how well a bullet can kill a gel block. .40 penetrates bones and cover better.

>>31597100
Better penetration through cover and bone.

>>31596651
Fucks sake, anon. You really fucked up, not only is it in .40, it's the fucking subcompact. You'd be better off using it as a buttplug so you can't get anally raped when someone mugs you.

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>>31595673
I like you! We should go shoot all the rounds together sometime and let the haters hate. No reason for all this arguing, all guns are fucking awesome in my opinion, no matter how black or what their chamber size is!

>>31597024
Except it gets more out of the longer barrel.

And when you're limited to ten rounds a mag it's better to be bigger.

>>31597341
>>31596893
I know I fucked up but i need advice: Sell my g27 or buy a conversion kit to 9mm?

>>31597857
Buy a trigger pack and slide assembly. If you only ever have .40 lying around you will at least have a gun for it.

>>31594523
>Copypasta is copypasta.

At least switch up a few words or add a sentence.

>>31596651
Convert it to 357sig, then you'll have a pocket rocket

>>31594539
Honestly it's hard to make people accept this.

I do think the perfect round is 25 ACP though just because its not rimmed. Could you imagine the beauty of a medium sized pistol with 30 rounds?

Or hell, something the size of a glock 42 with 15 fucking rounds.

WHY DOESNT THIS EXIST??

>>31597612
>And when you're limited to ten rounds a mag it's better to be bigger.
Guess what? Carbines aren't limited to ten rounds.


>Except it gets more out of the longer barrel.
Not enough to ever matter.

>>31596651
Dude it's perfectly fine and you'll never have to worry about ammo shortages ever.

Glock 35 master race here.

>>31598743
Because 25acp sucks ballistically. Literally stopped by a few inches of cardboard from a 2.5" barrel

Now a magnum .25 caliber pistol about the size of a lc9 or shield you might have something. 15+ rounds in the package of a single stack 9mm

>>31598778
He means in cuck states I think, where a 10 shot .45acp pistol carbine is the same as a 9 or a standard capacity 10-22 under state law.

>>31595673
I love my .380
I love my .32 ACP
I even love my .25
I love all rounds because all rounds serve a purpose.

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>>31595673
>Every round is sacred
>Every round is good
>Every round is needed
>In your neighborhood

>>31598743
It does you idiot, it's called the 5-7, or the PMR.

>no matter how black or what their chamber size is

chamber size matters! black guns have bigger chamber size

>.40 was always a bad idea

Do you fuckers spouting this shit not understand that bullet technology has advanced in the past 30 years? 9mm back then really was shit regardless of how badly the FBI fucked up. The .40 made sense even if only because if the bullet failed you'd still have more lead of a bigger caliber making a hole.

Now that bullet technology has advanced to the point of the cops being able to execute the shit out of black people with expired plates without issue, .40 is superfluous.

>>31603506
People also like to gloss over that when .40 was being developed there was a lot of emphasis on energy. .40 can generate some pretty impressive foot pounds. More than a maxed .45 ACP, in fact.

But here in 2016, 9mm +p is the norm, bullet designs have dramatically improved, people have largely gotten over the idea of one-shot stops, and we evaluate wound potential differently.

.40 was very much a product of its time.

>>31600444
The thing is that 25 ACP is hotter out of a 2.5" barrel than any .22 load in anything less than a rifle barrel. I really wish they had more than ghetto blasters chambered in it, it is essentially center-fire .22

>>31603979
Which is why it's good idea. 30 rounds with zero recoil in a conceal carry.

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muh stoppan powa
>This man was shot with .40 S&W rounds to center mass, was not incapacitated at the scene, and survived the shooting. (Photo: Sydney Vail)
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2016/01/9mm-vs-40-caliber.aspx

>>31605597
Getting shot on the right side of your chest isn't that big of a deal compared to the left side or dead center where all of the important stuff.

>>31605597
>http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2016/01/9mm-vs-40-caliber.aspx
>and shooter performance.
aka bitch wrists...