looking to buy my first handgun for home defense and fun at the

>>31591063
sig 320 - modular as fuck
ruger american - closest to 1911 feeling as you can get in a plastic gun
cz75 - good to go

>>31591063
no

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>>31591063
Buy a p320. Aftermarket is going to be better with better overall support by sig. Trigger is fucking sweet, modularity and caliber switching is useful and easy. It is also Dugan approved.

>>31591063
An SP2022 is fine, also look at p229\p226 trade ins and CPOs, if you're not carrying the extra weight isn't a problem and is even beneficial.

For polymer DA\SA cz-p07\9 is also a good choice and I prefer the grip\ ergos personally.

>>31591077
>modular as fuck
sig claims this, but the 300 series has yet to reach any resemblance to an actual modular system

plus why would you want to switch parts? i thought sigs were perfect, unlike glocks, and dont need an aftermarket :^)

>>31591063
Get a glock

You're literally paying 300+ more for a name

>>31591202
Are you retarded?
SP2022s are generally the same or cheaper than Glocks.

>>31591192
The modular parts are frames\ slide assemblies, it's a dumb idea imo for civilians sense. The frames and slide assemblies to go from subcompact to full size usually cost as much as just buying another gun. In mil\LEO agencies, they're buying shit much closer to actual cost and it can make sense, but they also rarely have a situation where the same person needs a subcompact and a full size pistol on different days.

>>31591202
Random reminder that Glock runs a 68% profit margin per gun (at distributor price). They are the ultimate example of paying too much for a name.

>>31591104
How do you like the 320? Thinking about it for my first handgun. The ability to go from a full size frame to compact and subcompact frame seems appealing because as im not made of money right now and it seems like it can do it all at a reasonable price.

Some people were talking about QC issues but they might have just been meme-ing

>>31591244
This is true, yet hopefully overall cost of the modular parts will go down as time goes on. Note I said hopefully.

>>31591264
The qc issues I have heard of were with reliability in the subcompact. I have the carry in pic related, which is the same slide length as compact but same capacity as full size. I have yet to have any issues with mine at all. It's a reliable little machine. Probably going to get a compact grip to make Cc more comfy though. Also not to knock the full size, but the carry/compact in my opinion is the best of both worlds.

>>31591311
Sounds Good, Thanks for your Input

>>31591256
Yet somehow end up being cheaper than the Sig which is ,for all practicality, the same gun.

Also they've never really released those numbers, btw. I know it hardly matters since you can easily estimate it, but I just wanted to point that out.

>>31591244
This guy gets it

>>31591237
Generally my ass

Go to any LGS or online store. Used Sigs may go for as cheap as new glocks, but new Sigs most definitely do not.

>>31591311
>cost of the modular parts will go down as time goes on. Note I said hopefully.

Yeah, if it happens, p-320 (and 250) x-change kits still list at $400 though at the Sig store. Maybe it comes down in the long run, but I doubt it. Would be interesting to see the aftermarket jump in and force prices down, which may happen if P320 truly proves to be the Glock killer (or it just gains enough market share). If you could skirt patent issues, just making frames would be a great way to turn a bit of injection molded plastic into some good coin.

>>31591377
>>31591399
Lgs near me
Glock 19 new 550
Sig p320 carry new 470

Confused as to why subcompact are 540, but still. Depends on area

>>31591405
I have a similar mindset really and my hopes are similar, as in that aftermarket kicks in and drives prices down. Seeing non sig grip modules and custom grip modules on the market would be very reassuring. I'm waiting for somebody to skip the patents by calling it art or a practice grip or some of the other interesting wording used to skirt stuff like that.

>>31591377
>Also they've never really released those numbers, btw. I know it hardly matters since you can easily estimate it, but I just wanted to point that out.

They were released in filings while claiming damages in a patent law suit. That was also during an era when executives were stealing like crazy. Glock history is pretty fun to read, there's some crazy mistress drama, a bunch of embezzlement, even some rumored assassin hiring.

>>31591399
An SP2022 retails for less than a Glock. 500 dollars fro the jews at Cabelas, cheaper on the street. Stop talking shit.

>>31591442
>>31591465
Ok so I was wrong

Fuck you both anyways. Sigs aftermarket is never going to happen anyways. Thats why they sell them for so cheap I guess, since its a failed prospect after all.

>>31591861
You sound bitter, komrade. Everyone makes mistakes. As for the aftermarket, the sp2022 is established and very small, but I still feel the p320 has a lot of potential for a solid aftermarket. I don't think it'll have all the little shit that glock has like the back plates, but still.

>>31591861
There's plenty of holster options, affordable mags, lights mount to the rail fine, threaded barrels are easy to find. It has sufficient aftermarket by any real standards.

There aren't 100 different companies making products to try to correct all of the shortcomings of the design, but you can even get slightly improved trigger parts if you want, but, since they have good triggers out of the box demand for those parts is low.

Again, stop talking shit.

>>31591063

the only DA/SA no safety options are the decocker only Berettas, H&Ks (which tend to be rarer than safety models) and CZ/Tanfos. the last ones have worse triggers than the safety models.

>>31591405

there's designs for a 3d printed grip out there.

i just want the P320 Target.

>>31592088
After looking at just the Grip frames on the sig store, it's not unreasonable $40 someting. It only gets pricey when you have to swap slide assemblies. But that is pretty cool.

>>31592118
Not him, but I'm not too bothered by price of frames either. 30 bucks would be more agreeable, but meh. Lower cost aftermarket p320/p250 mags would be nice though. And the costly side being the slide, barrel and spring makes sense considering it's cnc'd metal. Too costly, yes, but still. Seeing customs and aftermarket shit like how flock barrels and slides will be interesting, but again take time.

>>31592182
Yeah, don't know if it will happen or not, but it's pretty interesting that you can build an entire Glock without a single Glock part these days. Don't know what that means in terms of the quality of Glock parts, but that's pretty crazy.

>>31592182
Not really saying the price is unfair, just that at that point, I'd rather spend another $100 and have 2 pistols. Maybe a case could be made in anti-fun states where you have to register pistols, that may be the best market.

>>31591399
He said on specific a SP2022
Read fag

pick up a Canik TP9sa, work just like any other striker fired pistol. great for HD. 350$ too, slap on a light and ammo for the difference.

>>31591104
Dugan.

There's a name I wish I'll hear again soon.

Miss that nigger so much.

>>31592514
this

>>31592531
We all do man. We all do.

>>31592234
It is pretty damn cool.

>>31592456
Entirely understandable and that theory would make sense.

>>31592040
>correct the errors
Theres nothing wrong with the stock product. There are people who feel the need to replace parts for work or competition will do that to any gun they pick up, not just glocks (and theres nothing wrong with that).

Theres a reason sig isnt handing these things out to mil and police. They're trying to shill a recycled design in the form of the 320 and so far it fails to live up to its promises.

So go fuck yourself, the SP2022 isnt that good. Defend its price all you want, people will buy Glock no matter what I say.

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>>31591063
You can get whatever you like, but trust me, you'll wish you had bought an USP.

SP2022 is a great cheap DA/SA. I had one for years and loved it.

I like striker better. Love my VP9, beats the shit out of he cheapfuck ugly ass P320. PPQ is another good Striker choice.

>>31593991
>Theres nothing wrong with the stock product
Then why does everyone harp on about how great the aftermarket is? The trigger is usable, but substandard these days.

>Theres a reason sig isnt handing these things out to mil and police
The SIGPRO series is widely used by police worldwide, the P320 is currently in U.S. military trials (along with Glock and pretty much everybody else in the world) and is being sold to police departments worldwide.

> the SP2022 isnt that good.
It's pretty good, one of the best choices for DA\SA polymer pistols out there if you like the ergos, but the market is going striker fired.

>Defend its price all you want,
>>31591442
>Glock 19 new 550
>Sig p320 carry new 470
I'll add SP2022 new $399.95

>people will buy Glock
Yes, because they were able to undercut everyone early on due to being the only polymer pistol option. They've now become a defacto standard due to how cheap they could sell to Police departments in the 90s and they've done a very good job at marketing.

They are currently not the best value on the market, but plenty of rabid fanboys will argue that they are for no real discernible reason.

>>31591063
vp9 or go home

>>31594167
Are comparable hk pistols worth almost double the cost?
What makes a USP, P30 or P2000 hundreds of dollars better than an sp2022?

Having owned or tried pretty much every striker fired pistol out there, none really are good enough for me to dump my glocks. I have way too many magazines and holsters for them.

>>31594498
Only reason I didn't include the sp2022 is because they didn't have one in stock at the time.

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>>31594498
>for no discernable reason
You just named one. Police and military have used it for around 30 years and it's ubiquity and use only grows, whereas the p226 was just dropped recently.

Pic related might be a good reason

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Figured I'd latch on this thread like a leach instead of making my own thread. I am has guns now guys. It feels so fucking good. God bless America.

>>31591063
>sig

>>31591399
i just got me an sp2022 at my lgs and it was $500... all the glocks there were over $550+ except for the subcompacts
glockfag pls go

>>31591063
There are DA/SA striker fired handguns in that caliber without an external safety?

>>31594718
not worth m8 it's all aesthetics

>>31595999
That's what I figured. Thanks.

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>>31595827
>webbed toes

>>31591063
Sig Mk25

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>>31591063

Get a Beretta and shut the fuck up

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Do you like them?

>>31596088
>safety to fumble with at 3:47 am when dindus in clown masks break into your house

no thanks.

>>31596127

You just flick it off with your thumb as you pick it up, I don't see a problem.

Or just don't put it on safe to begin with. You'd have to be pretty fucking clumsy to ND without a round chambered, that first trigger pull is pretty heavy.

>>31596088
What Beretta? I think they're sexy as fuck.

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>>31596172

That's a 92FS. I have one and I like it.

>>31591077
320 is da only

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>>31591264
I really dig mine. Trigger is pretty nice, rugged as hell, good ergonomics i think.>>31591104

>>31596382
Also, this took me forever to get back together. Dont recommend

>>31596172
Px4 storm is a fun shoot

>>31595979
Fug.... I bought mine for $350 a couple years ago from PSA... I traded it for a 4th gen glock and regret it every day.

>>31596093
>That comforter
>Shitty apartment carpet
>Shit all over the floor
>Common Projects knockoffs
>Shitty jam-o-matic boat anchor
>Those feet
Holy shit, kys

>>31596382
Was about to say, I've never disassemble that far. Holy shit that looks painful man.

Also in general, any compact anons try using full size mags in the compact body? I figured it works, but still.

>>31591077
>sig 320 - modular as fuck
Yep, for the small price of a new gun, you can buy a 90% of the same gun.

ruger american - closest to 1911 feeling as you can get in a plastic gun
>Aside from actual polymer 1911s

>>31591063
I have one, it's a great gun. Reliable, accurate, decent trigger, good sights, good ergonomics, relatively inexpensive.

>>31596492
Wew lad.

>>31596646

i wasn't a fan of the Ruger's trigger compared to the P320's

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>>31591063
Gun shop fag here. Boy am I glad you made this post. Do you know how convenient it is that I can now walk you through this decision all day at work, AND at home when I browse /k/?