>Gen. Mark Milley, the Army Chief of Staff, says the worl

>>31552780
ww3

>>31552780
High power nations conducting force-on-force combat on a large scale. It's really something that hasn't happened in like, forever. The technological advancements that have been made in the interim will make a modern conflict unpredicable, but almost certainly intensely deadly.

We've never had large modern conventional forces where everybody on both sides has NODs, thermals, commo, air support, drones, smart weapons, optics, armor, CAS, CAA, etc all against each other.

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>>31552780
>modernized militaries
>North Korea, and Iran

>>31552780
>North Korea
>Modern
Isn't it allowed to treat every NK citizen as a soldier, since all of them are technically soldiers according to their government? I mean, without worrying about civilian casualties, we could probably just glass it. I'm kind of shocked we don't have the same beliefs about the middle east, but without a town built around factories or military infrastructure, nukes are useless.

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>modernized militaries in Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.
These are the countries that can't even issue things as basic as body armor to all of their troops

>>31552780
we've gotten used to fighting countries which are technologically lacking, poor, and weak in general.

Imagine fighting a county that has comparable technology, resources, and strength.

If you can't imagine it, basically what the General is saying, its not just gonna be us shooting at dirt farmers anymore. In 5-10 years, we'll be fighting countries that are as capable as us.

He's an old piece of shit pushing WW3 just like Obama/Hillary have

They are worried that white people might be able to uncuck themselves, and prevent our demographical extinction. So they want to stir up a major war that'll be the final blow to the white race.

>>31552934
>Russia
>body armor
They actually do.

You would have been right if you were talking about sights for everyone rifle.

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>modernized militaries

Look, heres the deal fellas, this is coming from a comissioned officer in the USMC.

1 line of software code, a handfull of anti satellite missiles, a dozen saboteurs, and an EMP and we all go back to 1949 A.D.
After approximately one season of logistical non existance we revert back to 1860s levels of technology, and 4/5ths of the world's population starves to death. This is before we get to the release of WMDs by the way.

There will NEVER EVER EVER EVER !!!!!MOTHERFUCKING!!!!! EVER be a conventional war again because the costs are simply too high. The only winning move is not to play.

At least until Muslims take over the governments of France and Britain in approximately 2 generations and let loose with their MRBM tactical and strategic nuclear delivery systems while screaming Allah Snackbar. They have no concept of consequences with an average IQ of 89, And, yes, that is going to happen, and yes, we are planning for it. The United States will likely go to war with Europa to confiscate nuclear payloads in the mid 2030s to early 2040s when they decale sharia law. And by the way there will be a MASSIVE civil unrest in the United States at around the same time. What do you think those millions of bodybags and FEMA camps are for? Enjoy.

Take it from an "insider"

>>31553089
Upvote for ur cervix

>>31552945
>Imagine fighting a county that has comparable technology, resources, and strength.
Wrong. Nobody comes close to the States in terms of military power. We're the most powerful fighting force in the whole world (Besides the NWO) and if anything, a conflict with a "comparable" nation wouldn't exceed more than five years.

>>31553089
>comissioned officer in the USMC.
Stopped reading there

>>31553089
>muh mcsides

>>31553089
Oh, look, it's bullshit.

>>31553089
Thank you for your service

>>31552945
Imagine fighting a county that has comparable technology, resources, and strength. (At the moment it is impossible for the US to find an equal adversary despite Obama's best efforts)

It would basically be over in 3 days at most. Luck has a huge factor here IE Peral Harbor "oops all your valuable ships weren't there when we tried to decapitate you"

Also the lethality of modern war machines is absolutely staggering. Back in the day a tiny friendly fire incident was "1 soldier WIA, 1 vehicle has a flat tire." Now the same incident is "37 soldiers KIA, 7 vehicles destroyed, several dozen WIA and unaccounted for, please for the love of almighty christ cease fire before you obliterate our entire battalion."

>>31552780
Start watching @ 28 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM

Imagine 200 of these launched at the same time with some high explosive and thermal cameras attached. Preprogrammed to land on and explode on anything with a heat signature/specific silhouette in a predefined geographical area.

With the cost of production decreasing at the rate it is now, it's not that unrealistic to see something like this for anti-infantry or anti-armor applications down the line.

>>31553089
Look, heres the deal fellas, this is coming from a comissioned officer in the USMC.

1 machine gun regiment, a handfull of creeping barrages, a dozen partisans, and a tank advance and we all go back to 1849 A.D.
After approximately one season of logistical non existance we revert back to 1760s levels of technology, and 4/5ths of the world's population starves to death. This is before we get to the release of mustard gas by the way.

There will NEVER EVER EVER EVER !!!!!MOTHERFUCKING!!!!! EVER be a conventional war again because the costs are simply too high. The only winning move is not to play.

At least until Bolsheviks take over the governments of France and Britain in approximately 2 generations and let loose with their inflamed rhetoric and agitation of the working class while screaming Dismantle the Bourgeoisie. They have no concept of consequences with an average IQ of 89, And, yes, that is going to happen, and yes, we are planning for it. The United States will likely go to war with Germany to intern battleships in the mid 1930s to early 1940s when they decale the popular front. And by the way there will be a MASSIVE civil unrest in the United States at around the same time. What do you think those millions of coffins and pinkerton agents are for? Enjoy.

Take it from an "insider"

>>31553277
do you think this is what jeff bezos is up to

is it wrong to have a boner

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>>31552780
>Milley foresees a battlefield that “is going to be intensely lethal,

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>>31553213
>It would basically be over in 3 days at most.

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>>31553299
>TFW tactical mini-barrage balloons and netting will protect you from the drone swarm.

>>31552877
Where is this grill from? Google brings back nothing.

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>>31553089
Top-tier shitposting

Saved

>>31553213
>It would basically be over in 3 days at most
No one planned for a long war in 1914. They thought it would be over in 3 weeks tops.

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US Army needs

>M1 Abrams/M2 Replacement
>M109 Replacement
>DPICM Replacement
>ATACMs Replacment
>SFW Replacement (and by replacement I mean actually adopt it in the first place instead of cancelling it and equivalents)
>Laser based air defense systems for anti-UAV work

>>31553089
Look, heres the deal fellas, this is coming from a comissioned programmer in the internets.

>1 line of software code
That's one impressive SLOC.

Take it from an "insider"

>>31553011

>2012+4
>/pol/ having a legitimate opinion outside of their own fucking board

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>>31552934
Body armor doesn't matter in the larger scale, even though the Russians have finally started fielding it. Both China and Russia have mechanized militaries with modern(ish) vehicles and equipment that's being modernized as we speak. Both are capable of combined arms operations and both are capable of (relatively) effective use of artillery.
Both have signals intelligence, electronic warfare capabilities and effective anti-air.
The US hasn't fought an equivalent enemy since WW2, Korea was bad, but not a modern example as far as I know.
A full scale modern war would bring millions of casualties. More than in either World War by far. Our weaponry is more accurate, deadly and we can engage enemies from far greater distances and faster than before. In the end we can't even truly win a total war against another nuclear nation, since in the end they can always just pull a Samson option and nuke everything possible.

>>31553836
>2016
>Being a worthless niggerball consumer happily dying for jews.
Better you than me.

>>31553089
I didn't know they let retards commission as officers. TIL I guess.

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>>31552945
Finland had a mechanized excercise with American troops, most fresh from Iraq, Arrow 16. They originally showed clear inability to effectively combat a modern military, since they'd spent atleast a tour fighting Islamists in the sandpit. They'd drive strykers far too close before dismounting and would be completely taken back by the amount of AT weaponry in a single Jäger squad.
Of course, being the well trained professional troops they were, they learned fast and adapted well, but it's quite clear that the US military has picked up habits in their COIN operations that cause harm in more conventional warfare. Especially their complete lack of radio discipline and over-reliance on radiating equipment, whether it be GPS, satellites or radio. The latter which US troops use like mobiles, leaving a very small chance to take the enemy by surprise if they have any modern SIGINT.

>>31553277
.. i mean 200 1oz warheads are gonna do fuck all against armor but infantry yeah but you could just smoke the place all to hell with white phosphorus. so someone makes those we make something that detects them coming and smokes things to high heaven.

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>>31553089
You've obviously have no idea what you're talking about the air force has aircraft internals incased in lead boxes in all their systems. We would still have air superiority bomber-wise.

>>31553871
If Russia and China were smart, they'd simply nuke every major population center in the US on top of the usual military/nuclear targets and just get rid of the third worlders, liberals, and dedicated ZOGbots that the US government draws its support from.

Probably the biggest mistake we can make is to continue single mindedly into small-war based counterinsurgency militaries. So whenever someone bitches about spending all this money on superfluous shit for beating down sand-monkeys in the deserts I'd rather we spend it now than later.

>>31552945

It's true for the Russians and Chinese. For the North Koreans it's so laughable it's not even funny, and for Iran I'd be rather skeptical too. A lot of our enemies are just reaching 80s-90s or early 2000s at the most levels of technology and training.

>>31553871

I agree with you but always remember when you say
>The US hasn't fought an equivalent enemy since WW2

That this is true of China and Russia and North Korea. Nobody in the first or even 2nd tier of power have really fought a comparable conventional enemy, save maybe the Iran-Iraq war, since WW2. I'd not count literally-who bushwar scrabbles like Russia/China's border dispute or China/India fighting in the ceiling of the world. In fact you could contend that the US has come closest with fighting the Iraqis in 1991 and the Iraqis being 4th largest military in the world at that time.

There's no reason the US would be alone in underestimating the lethality and challenge of an equal battle compared to prospective enemies.

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>>31553277
And then we'll have APS on all vehicles and drones that chew these things up like peas, making everyone go back to artillery.

>>31553871
**china has started to mechanize its army

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>>31553901
>In fact you could contend that the US has come closest with fighting the Iraqis in 1991 and the Iraqis being 4th largest military in the world at that time.
No. The only competence in the Iraqi military would be found in the Republican Guards that never stood a chance. The average Iraqi unit was poorly equipped, even worse trained and near worthless in conventional warfare. If you've read some of the stories from the war, you'd know the Iraqis were so shit, they'd use training ammunition against Abrams, they would perform tactically valid ambushes, but fail utterly because not a single one of their tanks could hit the enemy.
They lacked and still lack a functional NCO core, their officers don't give a flying fuck about their troops and they're all pettily competing for power. Their military arms had and have hardly any cooperation and a lot of people utterly refuse to train their skills to others, since doing so would devalue themselves.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

>>31553920
Well, they've got thousands of IFVs and APCs, but I suppose it's not really enough to make them mechanized, considering their population and military size.

>>31553901

>muh 4th largest army meme


BULLSHIT ALARMS, AN ARMY OF RETARDS THAT BOUGHT FIBERGLASS HELMETS FROM KOREA WITH NO BALLISTIC PROTECTION VALUE SOMEHOW MAKES THEM GOOD?

all memes aside, does anyone think there's any chance of some large scale conflict/disaster happening in the next 60 years or so

i just want to be a neet in peace

>>31553179
>imagine
Hey, read what you just quoted bud.

>>31553342
nerf now comics

Infantrymen and armored vehicles will become more irrelevant, power projection will increasingly be accomplished through other means.

>>31552780
Bullshit. The U.S. and maybe Canada will De-Globalize soon. The military will be solely dedicated to border security.

Globalism is the root of all suffering.

Whoever doesn't have air superiority will get stomped

>>31554051
Depends on the terrain. Troops can still operate innawoods, but all movement is more difficult, needs to be planned more precisely and takes more time.
In the desert you're completely fucked outside of cities and inside them you're just slightly less fucked.

>>31554058
Woods have no fucking bearing on airpower.

>>31553089
The only to stop all this from happening is to totally reject Globalism. Only Globalists crave war.

Most of the real threats are coming in from Mexico and Canada, anyways.

>>31554061
Yes they do. Woods are air cover. Add to that multi-spectral camo nets on absolutely everything, spread out vehicles, troops, equipment and a functional AA network and you've got good protection against air forces.

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Buy more guns!

>>31553871
The Soviet fielded body armor ever since 1979. They had body armor design in 1952.

The Russian state had body armor for their troops ever since the Soviet Union was dissolved granted it was in a mix of quality and production year and NOT ALL troops had the same quality.

I have seen images of 6B12 body armor design be worn alongside modern RATNIK body armor which /k/ for some reason think is a flak jacket and not a interceptor vest equivalent.


>>31553939
>they'd use training ammunition against Abrams
Stop.

They were using rounds from early 1960 to late 1970.

By 1991 those rounds were used as "training rounds" by their creator, the Soviets.

THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO BE TRAINING ROUNDS. THEY WERE INTENDED TO BLOW AWAY M60 PATTONS AND OTHER TANKS FROM THAT TIME PERIOID GRANTED IF THERE WAS A HIT.

>>31553939
as far as im aware quite a large amount of their army is still motorized and reliant on 1950s/60's equipment

>>31554141
All modern militaries are still largely motorized though. Especially in conventional war conditions. US troops are still riding around in Humwees and soon in whatever's the name of what's replacing it.

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>>31553280>>31553089

A new pasta is born

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>>31553089

>>31552780

My biggest fear is that either party uses chemical or biological weapons

>>31553891
Finland? I thought it snows all the time.

>>31554183
A shining example of 'murikan QUALITY education.

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>>31554183
Does it snow in Alaska all the time?

mindtranslation: despite spending more than the next 7 nations combined, our military only specializes on bombing sandpeople stuck between 1950s and stone age while the russians specialize on wiping us off the face of earth. gib more moneys for dem modernization programs

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>>31554231
yes

i think so

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>>31554272
Well, it doesn't snow in Finland all the time. There's a long, 2 week summer.

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>>31554282
>long, 2 week summer

>>31553089
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/94ce064e-838f-3ab6-974d-3a86ea373b5a/ss_us-army-says-ground-warfare.html

Take this from a Muslim you ignorant Hillbilly

>They have no concept of consequences with an average IQ of 89
while
>The United States will likely go to war with Europa to confiscate nuclear payloads in the mid 2030s to early 2040s

Clearly you are an ignorant Jeebus Fundie. If the world should be scared of anything, it is ignorant trigger finger nitwits like you.

>>31553089
I know it's bait, but people do know that targeting satellites would receive a full nuclear response from the US, fight?

>>31553179
oh boy

>no multilayered air defense network (with a full set of short-range / low / medium / long range systems)
>no battalion level self-propelled artillery
>no mobile anti-aircraft artillery
>no 155mm howitzer with effective firing range beyond 40km
>no self-propelled anti-tank systems with anti-air capability
>no self-propelled thermobaric artillery
>no mechanized airborne troops
>no operational-tactical missile systems
>no coastal missile systems
>a single mlrs for the whole miltiary. even chinese have a full spectrum of 122/273/300/425mm rocket artillery
>towed artillery is 2/3 of all division-level artillery
>entire divisions consisting of light infantry on humvees and m-109s
>no designated marksman rifles. entire military small arms consist of shitty ar-15 variations and m14s
...
>WE AH ZE MOST POWEFAH!!!

no amigo, you're colonial raiding gang for quelling local insurrections and overthrowing tin-pot dictators in latin america and middle east. deny americans that precious air support and their actual warfighting capabilities are worse than those of italy or greece

>>31553383

All of these things are already being worked on.

>>31554327
>>no designated marksman rifles

Surely, the US will lose WW3 now.

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>>31554282
2 weeks!
no wonder bikini sales are off the charts!

>>31552840
i wonder how it would be like if it were a war like that

>>31553891
2CR hasn't been in Iraq in almost a decade. The last time they were in Afghanistan was 2013.

That means almost their entire formation has changed since their last deployment. Everything you mention there is why the US does training exercises like Arrow 16. We learn from mistakes and what works/doesn't work.

>>31553891
They weren't surprised by the AT squads, just startled our Air Force left you alive.

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>>31554370
Yes, I completely misremembered it, the talk was about NCOs and COs who have spent the time in COIN operations for the past years bringing their expertise to somewhat more conventional situations.
And yes, as I said, the troops learned quickly and I'm certain these excercises will go a way to retaining conventional warfare capabilities through many years of COIN.

>>31554384
>AT squads
They were surprised by the ordinary Jäger squads having a large amount of AT weaponry. Not specifically anti-tank troops, but ordinary mechanized infantry.
>just startled our Air Force left you alive.
As they say, US troops aren't worth anything without the chair force in support.

>>31554327
Are you seriously saying that if air assets were removed from the equation from both sides, Italy or Greece could defeat the United States in a conventional war?

>>31554405
I don't know about the Greeks, but the Italians can't do anything.

>>31554327
>deny americans that precious air support
>"waaah tommy isnt play fair hes just dropping bombs on me"

So let me get this straight

In the face of a great airforce threat

Your military put its efforts into

4 different missile systems that all get killed by the airforce
artillery that gets killed by the airforce
AAA bbatteries that get killed by the airforce
SPGs that have stingers slapped on then call it a day
airborne troops that you can't deploy because your airforce can't get in the air
SCUD systems that are so outdated they literally tried to find uses for it with 200 different warheads and found none
missiles for boats
4 different rocket artillery types that all get killed by the airforce
wheeled artillery so they dont die to the airforce (ok this was an alrigth idea)
APCs that get killed by - you guessed it - the airforce
and...dragunovs.

Ivan, you need to stop the vodka. It's clearly not good for you.

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>>31554396
>As they say, US troops aren't worth anything without the chair force in support.
Combined arms is the US doctrine and it's why you'll never win a conventional war against the US.

>>31554423
Assumed superiority is the US doctrine. How EMP proof are fighter planes?

>>31554426
US air assets are not all in one theater.

Besides, EMP means you are detonating a nuclear weapon. Meaning the US can now lawfully open a can of sunshine. Good luck considering the US has the most capable nuclear delivery force on the planet, bar none.

>>31554426
Hardly any of our aircraft are emp hardened anymore and it's a damn shame. Back in the cold war era most of our rotary wing air frames were protected from emps. Honestly though if an emp hits both sides domestic issues would be so bad that neither side will have the logistic ability to wage a war.

>>31554440
>kill everyone in both Russia and US because Ivan made your planes useless
Sounds like the US government alright.

>>31552780

>what did he mean by this

"we need $20 billion for the V-280"
"we need $40 billion for a C130 quad tiltrotor"

>>31554443
We'd likely respond in proportion.

>>31552780

Basically WW3 is going to be mind games, Spooky OP's and alternative ways to break apart military infrastructure. He probably didn't mean that, but when a nation has developed weapons that can effectively target front line command elements than war will quickly end. With no organization means no mobilization, therefor to whoever side wins is the side that has CO's remaining. Be been practicing for post modern conventional war for a while, it is called the "War on Terror".

>>31554443
Yes it does. You use a nuclear weapon on a country, expect one in return. Especially one that's now severely crippled your Air Force.

>>31554451
Are you implying Russia could or would invade mainland USA, or are you talking about the muh carrier groups are US soil meme?

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>>31554443
>Americas face when someone tries some nuclear shit on them, then they glass their entire country.

>>31554455
I'm talking about using a nuclear bomb to attack and cripple US forces. You know you don't have to vaporize people for it to be a nuclear attack.

And the US carrier thing might as well not be a meme. You sink a US carrier you brought on a war.

>>31554460
And then receive an equal amount of glassing in return. Everyone loses, politicians get hanged in the streets and rebuilding starts.

>>31554455
>meme

It applies to all ships in general

>>31554470
Nah. Russia and China have nuclear forces but nowhere near the delivery capability and the readiness the USA has.

USA has nuke defense shield and Russians and Chinks are not capable of spamming nukes like the US is.

>>31554476
Id you think the us would survive a combined russian-chinese US strike you're crazy. The THAAD System isn't an unbreakable shield.

>>31552840

>unpredictable

I'm doubtful of that, considering this >>31552934

The fact is, America is the ONLY country to continue investing in military modernization following the end of the Cold War. Sure, Russia has new MiGs but the USAF built the V-22 and F-35 from the ground up, the former which will result in the V-280 and some sort of fuckhuge quad tiltrotor. And of course there's the big advancements in personnel armor (for as bad as the dragon skin thing was, better to have it during a sandbox romp than a real war). More "exotic" technologies include the X-47, and perhaps powered exoskeletons/braces for grunts.

Other countries aren't making the investment like the US is. That's not to say they aren't formidable (ISIS proves that ragheads and AKs is enough to be a problem) but traditional conflicts will go as military officers expect them to go. Things only get complicated once occupations start, as neocolonialism is not fashionable at the moment.

>>31554490
>America is the ONLY country to continue investing in military modernization
No it's not.

>>31552780
>what did he mean by this
justification for a bigger budget

>>31554486
Russia maybe but China has almost no delivery capability outside of subs that THAAD couldn't handle. And certainly not enough of them to end the US.

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>>31554440
>the US has the most capable nuclear delivery force on the planet

>>31554426

It works, though. At least against traditional armed forces.

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>>31554500
>making fun of floppy disc
>still perfectly capable of delivering nuke to other side of the planet.
>only one minor nuclear delivery system US has as it disposal.

In the end I think the US would prefer the nuke you couldn't see, especially for first strike.

>>31554496

provide a counterarguement then

>>31554500
there is nothing wrong with that. Assuming those were the high end disks and not regular consumer grade stuff they will last potentially forever. They have a layer of protection due to obsolescence, makes it much harder for someone to sneakily try to interface with any of the computers with a tiny hidden usb device.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that provided they only need to store small amounts of information. Its prefferable to any modern options since modern technology will be a bunch of lead free soldered chinese crap that will either spy on you or just fall apart.

What, would you rather they store everything in the cloud?

>>31554498
I'll give you that, China is lacking in the nuclear department.

>>31554500
>>31554505

Also worth mentioning: the USAF will begin the process of selecting the official B-52 replacement within the next decade. Meanwhile Russia is still using Tu-95s and China Tu-16s.

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>>31552780
>what did he mean by this
That US army will expect Ukranian style conflict.
I'm not talking about Texas go rouge. I'm talking about highly mechanized, well-trained and very-very well equipped enemy who know and love to use modern artillery. ATGMs, manpads and has access to newest means of recon and communication.
In Ukraine professional army fought against former conscripts, supported by volunteers (former conscripts and officers with extremely high military experience) before Russians came to help. And that was nothing like Middle East kebab sandbox games. Quickly it showed that artillery still relevant and can be extremely dangerous when operators know what they are doing. US forces do not have experience of fighting against enemy with good artillery. It showed that air domination can be quickly reduced by high amount of manpads and few SA-8. US forces last experience against enemy with such capabilities was in Yugoslavia. US forces ALONE did not fought against such enemy since Vietnam, maybe. Only in coalitions. Quickly it showed that mechanized columns and tanks are still fucking scary, when they have all means of communication.
Enemy with drones, thermals, decent recon, electronic warfare capabilities, diversions, cyberspace warfare capabilities (https://www.wired.com/2016/03/inside-cunning-unprecedented-hack-ukraines-power-grid/), and decent gear in urban warfare. It's all very dirty, very bloody, very expensive and very different from what US experienced in last decades in their fighting against terrorism.

>>31554507
Other countries are modernizing their militaries.

>>31553089
Funny how you're talking about Europe being taken over by shitskins when your own nation is way more blacked

>>31554505
>>31554508

>Floppy disk
This one is really tricky. Based on my research (too many sources to record here), floppy disks were never super reliable, and some didn’t even work quite properly right out of the package. I’ve seen numbers saying the lifespan of floppy disks is three to five years, but I’ve also seen numbers that claim they can last ten to twenty years or even indefinitely.

Of course, since floppy disks utilize magnetic storage (not unlike tape), it’s safe to say that eventually the magnetism will wear out around the same time a tape’s would (ten to twenty years), and that’s if the cheap, flimsy plastic casing on the disk survives that long. It seems that some floppy disks have lasted for a considerable amount of time, though the storage method was largely replaced by compact disks and hard drives before the degradation of the magnetic field was much of an issue.


>US is under nuclear attack
>Time to reply in kind!
>Takes out old dusty floppy disk
It demagnetized


Why don't you use smoke signals while you're at it?

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>>31554523

give an example

I'm not even disbelieving or anything, I just want some meat here.

>>31554528

Not all floppies are the same. Consumer ones are just that: consumer ones. They're cheap as shit and are prone to failure after 12-18 months of use.

"Enterprise" ones are a much higher quality but also 10x the price (the floppies in that pic probably cost at least $100 each, and are also Made In USA) and have to be replaced every 30-60 months to ensure zero read errors.

>>31554282
Sounds like an Australian winter

>>31554531
It's still modernization even if you don't spend trillions on wunderwaffen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernization_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army

https://news.vice.com/article/russias-military-modernization-is-working-but-the-moneys-running-out

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>>31554514
he's saying big bad rossiya gonna whip americanski ass out of Ukraine if they go in

>>31554514
This guy is shit as an actual dad.

He has no responsibility for his family & his son.

>>31554556
His wife probably left him and took the kid, so he went off to war again.

>>31552780
Officers talk a lot. They like to hear themselves speak.

Whatever he's babbling about is bullshit. Worse is a reporter recording it. And worst is you posting it here.

Guess what? We already live in a Utopian society. People on top bitch about those who are on the bottom. The people that are "our enemies". I went to war because I was a dumb ass kid, found a bunch of mud farmers. Killed them anyway. War is war, and whatever this douchebag says doesn't change that. I don't mean to be simplistic, I just can't articulate my beliefs correctly to you.

>>31554348
An absolute fucking shit show. Everyone flattens each other for a few months and then runs out of all the high tech shit that takes too long to produce during a sustained conflict.

Then the poor fucks on the ground are back to rolling around in the mud trying to murder each other, just like every war.

>>31554567

>Everyone flattens each other for a few months and then runs out of all the high tech shit that takes too long to produce during a sustained conflict.

nothing short of a full-on nuclear war would disrupt America's ability to produce and deploy aircraft and resupply ships

>>31554606
American civil war.

>>31554609

Not going to happen, even up here in Jefferson people just stop giving a shit about gun laws and go about their lives (for as much as people hate Democrats, they love their money in regards to land speculation). Also the original Civil War only happened due to religious reasons (namely northern evangelicals being assmad over slavery) anyway, in the modern era such a situation doesn't exist.

>>31554150
>humwees
>bunch of infantry manchildren riding around like "weee" in a shit military truck

not nitpicking you anon, but the way I read that in my head was great. Thanks for the chuckle.

>>31554528
Its rust on mylar. Rust is already rust, the environments not going to hurt it anymore. Mylar lasts decades in horrifying outdoor conditions, just fine in anything resembling any sort of stable climate.

The loss of the magnetic charge can cause data loss. It would take quite some time for it to happen on a high quality floppy but the thing to remember here is that there is nothing stopping you from just re-writing that data to the disk once every few decades. Its not a degradation of the physical media thats the problem it just loses its charge over time.

Im sure there is a lifespan to these but im also highly skeptical that we are anywhere near that. I feel the move to change is more of a beurocratic/PR move than actually being a reasonable practical decision. I worry about those kinds of changes because if somethings not broke you really shouldn't try to fix it, particularly when it has to do with controlling nukes

>>31552780
>what did he mean by this

"Congress gibe monies plox"

>>31554645
Then American collapse.

>>31554659

only plausible through a nuclear war

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Full coverage, environmentally sealed body armor with interstates GPS/Blueforce Tracker, comma and hydration when?

>>31554067
Woods also burn.

>>31553089
this is the first time I've witnessed the birth of fresh pasta in the wild, congratulations anon - you are a father.

>>31552780
Shilling for more complexbucks

>>31553871
>Modern-ish vehicles
nigga almost all of it's armoury is either upvetted or plain out new.

Nuclear war at this point is a fucking joke, everyone knows, and has experience from the cold war at this point the missiles are nothing more then just old idle threats. The only missiles being serviced will probably just be smaller, less lethal nuclear bombs for JDAM/MOAB kind of shit.

>>31554543
But then how far behind the curb are they like he was getting at. Sure if you have 100 dollars and someone has 1000 dollars you both may be able to buy the same thing. However the person with 1000 will simply have more. I'm sure you know this. But like we all know the govs of the world know what we need to do to gain a massive massive upper hand in a war. Carriers/Navy, communications, logistics. (Maybe not in that order) but if we have more striking abilities then it would make sense that we can simply attack more of those three things in the world.

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>>31555437

>>31554609
For the Confederate States perhaps but that was becoming towns of industry were burned rails destroyed and embargos held. Shelby Foote said "the north fought that war with one hand behind its back." Had the north wished could of brought out the other one and shut down the south quicker

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>>31555485
I have that cat as well, but seriously put it into thought. Look at all the close calls when it came to launches in the cold war. Nobody was an asshole enough to push the button. Colonel's might make the shit decision to launch but you can very well assume the guys who know the context of M.A.D would rather keep their hands off the key.

On the other hand, we've got ABM and other anti-nuclear arms devices. At this point a nuclear war isn't really as much as a thought as it was a few decades ago as it was now. It's just not plausible.

We'll see use of nuclear arms, but only limited to small exposure or as I described earlier, shit which is used with a similar intention of bunker busting or clearing cities, consdierably in conventional warfare.

>>31555512
I just think you're downplaying the role Nuclear weapons hold in prevention. If someone uses them at all, that's when the escalation starts. If someone starts flinging nukes around, someone is probably going to cease existing as a state. You're looking at the issue on the wrong angle, the fact no one has used nuclear weapons should be speaking as to how deadly they really are.

>>31554161

newfaggot

>>31555287

>>>r/4chan

>>31555525
Think about Hiroshima or Nagaski.
That's the level of nuclear use we'll get, even if it's possible. By that point anti-ballistic missile systems will be used. Why the fuck do you think the US is building in romania? Sorry that minutephysics might have mislead you but anyone with modern looks on military and strategic thought will notice that nuclear will soon enough be infantlized like nearly every other form of ground-breaking technologies in the past. It aint' 1970 where anti-missile stragetic and tactics was basically "Nuclear armageddon"

Both sides realized how dumb that thought was and developed much lke any other army did in the past, and developed a counter. Action and reaction senpai.

>>31555548
>Think about Hiroshima or Nagaski.
So, think about a time nukes were far less deadlier than they are today? Let me tell you sonny, we don't use freefalling ground burst nukes these days, we typically use airburst detonations which cause far more destruction.
>That's the level of nuclear use we'll get, even if it's possible.
There are a number of levels of nuclear use you can see, and I'd defer you to Oppenheimer's archived posts on the subject.
>By that point anti-ballistic missile systems will be used. Why the fuck do you think the US is building in romania? Sorry that minutephysics might have mislead you but anyone with modern looks on military and strategic thought will notice that nuclear will soon enough be infantlized like nearly every other form of ground-breaking technologies in the past.
You're overestimating the abilities of anti-missile technologies, even if you weren't, you'd need to take in account what they are trying to protect. Protip: It isn't you or me, it's the missile silos that holds US nukes.
>Both sides realized how dumb that thought was and developed much lke any other army did in the past, and developed a counter. Action and reaction senpai.
Not really, but since you're not in charge of nuclear strategy I suppose it's okay to continue believing so.

>>31554442
incorrect.
>>31554426
Depends on the era of the aircraft. Almost all of our aircraft have the essential bus and critical systems shielded.
Fuck. some of our weapons are shielded so they can survive a contested environment. Dude. Russia and the US were planning to fight each other all out in the 1970s-1980s, by the late 80s we were tooled up to fight and win a war AFTER the apocalypse had happened.

EMP is a hollywood meme

-T. Aircraft Maintainer

>>31554486
We might get our hair mussed. That's about it. 10 to 20 million killed, ho-hum.

Meanwhile China and Russia cease to exist.

>>31555571
>So, think about a time nukes were far less deadlier than they are today? Let me tell you sonny, we don't use freefalling ground burst nukes these days, we typically use airburst detonations which cause far more destruction.

Anyone with a basic understanding of nuclear bombs from 1970-1990 knew bombs caused more destruction, but it's almost between 30 years and we've more then likely tried to consider a better outcome then M.A.D and a better use then annhilating cities. Nuclear bombs could be efficent on smaller scale artillery missions rather then steel walls.

Yes, there's multiple levels.
But on the scale of use, I'd consider most nuclear coming down to artillery level use.

I don't think so, I don't particularly care what it is trying to protect.

>Not really
Why do you think ABMs exist now?
They've learned from M.A.D

>>31555633
You're again looking at my arguments from the wrong angle, or I'm am improperly iterating my point. Nuclear weapons hold a great role in the modern setting through deterrence, do you understand that?

If you don't, then discussing the nuances of anti-missile technologies and both the strategic and tactical usage of nuclear weapons is a waste of time.

>>31555655
If you've paid attention to my post, I made a statement of knowing about detterence. I previously had the position. But I've looked past it and see it as small-minded.

>>31555665
That's nice, it's shame the real world works through that deterrence which is why nuclear weapons are not deployed in the tactical situations you keep suggesting they would be, which isn't wrong, but you then harp on about MAD when I've already told you earlier that that's not what I am referring to. This conversation is leading nowhere so I suppose I'll leave it at that.

>>31555680
You're a patronizing piece of shit so don't be surprised that you aren't getting anything acrosss.

>>31555690
And you're ignorance is astounding, it's not everyday you meet people who claim nuclear weapons "are a fucking joke". Everything I hear and read about nuclear fission tells me that they are anything but a joke, but sometimes you just can't convince people of things they are entrenched in believing. If you think I'm being patronizing, then consider it because you are saying some really dumb shit.

>>31553901
I love you too, battle buddy :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYLVmhrE1g

>>31555706
I said nuclear weapons are on their way much like any weapon in history. If you take my posts to this point I worry if you have some level of autism.

>Then consider it
All you've done for the majority of your posts is basically try to write me off and not even look into or establish what I've been trying to say and hold onto your own dogma. My argument was basically that nuclear arms are on their way to just being used on smaller scale and not as a ground-breaking discovery much like any other weapon. I'm not sure how you got "A joke" out of that.

>>31554505
Why are we making another b2 bomber? Sure it'll be smaller and cheaper, but still very expensive to operate, as well as unnecessary unless we're truly planning for war.

>>31553089
Put me in the screencap

>>31555726
>My argument was basically that nuclear arms are on their way to just being used on smaller scale and not as a ground-breaking discovery much like any other weapon.

Wow, what the fuck makes you think that?

>>31555512
>Look at all the close calls when it came to launches in the cold war.
None of those were as close as the media makes them out to be.
In the three instances where we were really close, (Cuban Missile Crisis, Able Archer 83, REFORGER 85) the only thing that stopped the use of nuclear weapons was the side willing to use them finding a better alternative. Other than that, they were willing to use them.

>Colonel's might make the shit decision to launch but you can very well assume the guys who know the context of M.A.D would rather keep their hands off the key.
People who know the context of MAD know that it only works if you are willing to turn the key.

>On the other hand, we've got ABM and other anti-nuclear arms devices.
Which could stop a small handful of missiles.

>At this point a nuclear war isn't really as much as a thought as it was a few decades ago as it was now. It's just not plausible.
Except to the people who know the reality.

>We'll see use of nuclear arms, but only limited to small exposure or as I described earlier, shit which is used with a similar intention of bunker busting or clearing cities, consdierably in conventional warfare.
You are describing the use of nuclear weapons against cities but do not believe that will escalate into a general exchange?

>>31555633
>we've more then likely tried to consider a better outcome then M.A.D and a better use then annhilating cities.
We did in the 1970's.
Cities haven't been the primary target for nuclear weapons since then.

>Nuclear bombs could be efficent on smaller scale artillery missions rather then steel walls.
The US has moved away from smaller nuclear weapons like artillery rounds and the like because they are escalatory.

>>31555665
>I made a statement of knowing about detterence.
You talked about MAD. MAD is a part of deterrence, but there are many other aspects of it.

>>31552780
I despise that the US Army is making the exact same mistakes as it did in the mid 1970's. Living in a pipedream of planing for a large force on force confrontation instead of addressing our serious shortcomings in fighting insurgencies.

>>31552894
>I'm kind of shocked we don't have the same beliefs about the middle east

Norks are essentially ethnically homogenous and indoctrinated from birth that their only worth is to serve Great Leader. They live on small peninsula half surrounded by water, which may as well be hostile borders considering the US and Korean navies, their sworn enemy to the south with probably the world's most fortified DMZ, and an increasingly unfriendly ally to the north.

Middle East has tons of varying demographic ethnicities that aren't all muslim, don't even speak the same language, and can barely be fucked to get over tribal/family loyalties to form a government.

>>31556487
>instead of addressing our serious shortcomings in fighting insurgencies.

actually, that role is being shifted towards CIA/Air Force. it's more simple to keep the bulk of regular Army/Marines oriented towards conventional warfare in case The Happening happens.

besides you can't really win against insurgencies when can't commit military and public policy towards fighting it on a scale of decades.

just look at the Philippines, Muslim insurgents have been a thing for some 300 years. and they've even survived genocidal strategies.

>>31554443
>>31554444
>>31554445
>>31554446

what is this sorcery

>>31552780
>general warmongering so he can increase funding and justify more military spending

What else is new

>>31554272
No it doesn't.