Alright /k/, I've decided on my first carry gun but I'm

>>31544391
9mm

>>31544391
definitely 9mm... .40 is terrible

Is it your first handgun in general?

>>31544391
9mm, I love .40 in full sized or metal framed compacts like the sig p226/229, but in a polymer subcompact a 9mm is definitely the way to go. Also, look into comptac holsters, I'm liking mine. The mtac is slightly large on me though.

T. P2000sk owner

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>>31544424
No, I own a Beretta 92 and a S&W 626
This would be my first carry gun.

>>31544482
How does it feel to carry? Are you open carry? IWB? Hows it feel over the course of a day?

>>31544602
Well I assume your 92 is in 9mm so just get that for cross-compatibility. Plus it's cheaper.

.40 is kind of a shitty compromise cartridge. If you want more power just go up to 10mm or .357 Mag.

>>31544391
Why the fuck would you get a P2000?

>>31544614
This

>>31544624
I like HK handguns, mainly the ergo, mag release, fit and finish
The p2000sk is the smallest HK handgun, it's a 10+1 in 9mm and most important to me, there's no external safety and the trigger isn't garbage which is my main issue with most sub compact 9mm carry guns I've tried (Shield, SR9C, Glawk brand Glawk)

>>31544657
Better off with a g19.

>>31544717
Why

>>31544735
It's literally the perfect gun for all occasions.

Glock™ - Perfection.

>>31544735
It's a better gun.

>>31544781
Why, other than >>31544774

>>31544774
Keep the hood safe H

>>31544735
They don't know why. They just like to shit on HK because they're poorfags.

>>31544391
>What is the significance of the term hydro-static shock and is it total BS when it comes to these two cartridges?

Are you from the 90s? it doesn't matter what you go with for shooting people. .40 will penetrate hard barriers better though.

If you have to go with a .40 the HK guns are the way to go. Don't listen to limpwristed /k/ posters who never actually shoot. .40 out of an HK even the SKs is fucking nothing when it comes to recoil.

>>31544410
Its great if you want to be able to penetrate more than just gel blocks.

>>31544482
There is nothing wrong with .40 in subcompact HKs.

>>31544614
>.40 is kind of a shitty compromise cartridge. If you want more power just go up to 10mm or .357 Mag.

No its not. Its a great cartridge if you have to shoot something that isn't a gel block in your backyard.

>>>31544774
>>31544781
I sold my G19 and switched to HK so not everyone is poor nor are they enamored with "perfection".

>>31545032
>muh stoppan powah

>>31545049
I said nothing about stopping power. The fact is .40 penetrates more and is less effected by hard barriers and bone. Just because you think Gel block are going to rob you doesn't make you doesn't mean you know anything about ballistics.

>>31545107
Yeah but 10mm rapes them both and you get the same capacity.

Face it; .40 S&W is the .455 Webley of its time. Except .455 Webley was competing with .32ACP and .38 Colt.

>>31545216
>Yeah but 10mm rapes them both and you get the same capacity.

That doesn't mean anything in any practical sense. 10mm is always in a bigger gun, and its always more expensive. OP wants a P2000, they don't make 10mms that small because they have too much recoil in any load that outperforms .40. Saying "if you want a .40 just get a 10mm its better" is the stupidest fucking meme on /k/.

There is nothing wrong with .40 so long as its in a gun that is built for it, which the HK is. It also does outperform 9mm without having the draw backs of 10mm.

Face it your meme caliber is shit and no one will ever buy it so keep paying retard expensive prices for your fucking meme bullshit and stop shitting on something you don't like.

>>31545620
>Calls 10mm a meme caliber
>While praising .40 SmoothWank

>>31545629
Except 10mm is a meme caliber.
Unless you're hiking innawoods in bear country there's no reason to carry it. 9mm, .40, and .45 will kill two-legged predators just as dead as the expensive 10mm meme will.

>>31544602
Carries great iwb 4 o clock.

>>31545665
>Subtly slipping the .40 SoftWaffles in between two legit calibers

I'm on to you.

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>>31545694
>pretending .40 is anything but fine
>not wanting superior energy delivery to babby 9mm while retaining capacity

Weird

>>31544391
1 9mm bullet from a kel tec pf9 kept a hispanic from getting his head bashed in

the only difference with 40 S&W is that you have to replace the parts on your gun more often

which on an H&K, is not a great idea

>>31545825
>Retaining capacity

Protip, 5 is WAYYY less than 12.

>>31545825
>retaining capacity
So you're actually just making up things at this point?

40 is inferior to 9 in every way that matters and superior in all the ways that don't matter.

And VP9SK when?

>>31545032
.40 in subcompact polymer framed guns is snappy for me, that's why I suggest 9mm. .40 operates better out of a longer barrel anyway.

>>31545847
Actually yeah, im just shitposting today more or less.

Why a P2000sk and not a P30sk?

>>31546126
External safety
Dont want to add another motion to drawing and firing

>>31546188
people used to carry 1911s

>>31546218
Why deal with a safety given the option not to

>>31544391
you should probably just go 9mm, .40 usually adds weight and thickness to the slide. Hydrostatic shock isn't real but wound cavities are so either works.

>>31545876
>that don't matter.

>Shooting through bones and hard barriers doesn't matter when combating humans.

>>31546057
Have you shot .40 out of a P2000sk? If the answer is no, then you haven't been shooting the right guns. I say this as someone who is 5'8" 140lbs. If I have no problems shooting .40 neither should you.

>>31546188
They make P30s without a safety and the same style Decocker. Just be aware the slide stop is longer on those models.

>>31546592
Not with HK guns.

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>>31546928
I have a P30 in .40 problem solver and it has the safety. Just because a DA/SA gun has a safety it doesn't mean you have to use it.

>>31546912
I'm not him, but I'm 5'11" 200lbs and .40 hurts to shoot, especially out of compacts. It's just a snappy, unpleasant round. I would rather shoot a .44 Desert Eagle than a polymer framed 40 caliber. The penetration and expansion advantage is insignificant over 9mm using comparable hollow points, and it has much snappier recoil and lower capacity. Modern hollow points killed any chance it had.

>>31544391
Look OP. A lot of people on /k/ like to share their opinions despite their lack of experience. Most of the people here have never shot HK guns, or just plain suck at shooting.

I have rented the P2000sk and the USPc in .40 and they shoot nothing like other guns in .40 Its like shooting a 9mm since they are built properly unlike the poorfag guns most of /k/ shoots.

You can get a P2000sk for 650 now, and it will last you forever and be comfortable to shoot.

If you want more penetration go with .40 if you want a few more bullets and cheaper ammo go with 9mm.

>>31546962
You have a P30s there is a model called P30 that doesn't have the safety.

>>31546982
Have you shot a P2000sk? If no, then your opinion doesn't matter because that gun doesn't shoot like those other guns you have shot.

>>31547014
The advantage of .40 is fucking worthless, you retard. The capacity loss doesn't make up for the extremely mediocre penetration increase.

9mm hollow points are more than deadly enough and offer more capacity. That's why 40 S&W is a dead round.

And for the record, I've shot P2000s, P30s, HK 45s, USPs, in a variety of calibers.

>>31547070
>. The capacity loss doesn't make up for the extremely mediocre penetration increase.

Stop looking at gel you fucking retard. That doesn't represent car doors, windows, desks, potato chip racks, or bones. .40 penetrates better than all of those not to mention you can practice with your carry bullet weight where as 124 gr or 147gr practice ammo is a bitch to find for 9mm.

>9mm hollow points are more than deadly enough and offer more capacity. That's why 40 S&W is a dead round.

Only on gel blocks. Let me know the next time a gel block hops off of your table and tries to stab you.

>And for the record, I've shot P2000s, P30s, HK 45s, USPs, in a variety of calibers.

If you shot the SK in .40 and it hurt you then you are just a bitch,or a liar and should probably just carry a .22.

>>31547129
>muh gel block
>mythical car door penetration scenario
>calls me a bitch

Sure you aren't shilling for 10mm?

>>31547151
>mythical car door penetration scenario

Its not mythical. I live in a world where cars are used for cover. Being able to be effective through them and other things is pretty important to me cause I understand how combat actually works.

>>31547151
You are the one basing your opinion purely on what you see with gel blocks.

Also are you admitting that .40 hurts you in a gun that weighs as much as a fullsize glock and has a recoil buffer?

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>>31546982

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>>31546982
>pic related
>it's you

>>31546912
I shoot 9mm out of a P2000SK and it's snappy enough. I shoot .40 out of a full sized metal framed Sig P226, and honestly between the two, the recoil feels about the same.

>>31547129
>Shooting a handgun through cardoors, desks, windows, and potato chip racks
what the fuck are you smoking? You think your .40 is going to be in some SHTF driveby mission impossible 007 shootout? Why not just carry a full sized 10mm or a rifle and be done with it?
>hurr 10mm has more kick! :(
stop having bitch wrists then. Literally the same capacity as .40 with more power.

>>31547673
Ok, get back to me when you shoot .40 out of a P2000sk.

>>31547705
>what the fuck are you smoking? You think your .40 is going to be in some SHTF driveby mission impossible 007 shootout?

Are you implying that real life is a high noon showdown in the middle of the street with no one taking cover? If so you are the fucking idiot. Cars and store shelves are used for cover all of the time. I would rather turn cover into concealment.

>stop having bitch wrists then. Literally the same capacity as .40 with more power.

They don't make 10mm in a subcompact, and if they did it would actually be snappy. I don't need a meme caliber when .40 exists.

Also OP asked about a P2000sk, those aren't made in 10mm. So thanks for shitting up the thread with your useless info.

>>31548178
.40 is a meme caliber in a barrel under 3.5 inches you fuckwit. 9mm does everything .40 does with more capacity, especially when you cripple .40 in a 3.25 inch barrel, something it isn't designed to be shot out of.

You carry a spare mag? Having fun having 3 less shots per mag than 9mm shooters? Those 3 extra shots can mean life or death.

>>31548636
>.40 is a meme caliber in a barrel under 3.5 inches you fuckwit.

No it isn't, now you are just pulling shit out your ass.

>9mm does everything .40 does with more capacity, especially when you cripple .40 in a 3.25 inch barrel, something it isn't designed to be shot out of.

This isn't true at all. Penetration isn't effected by barrel length only expansion which isn't that important. .40 will penetrate more out of any barrel length.

>You carry a spare mag? Having fun having 3 less shots per mag than 9mm shooters? Those 3 extra shots can mean life or death.

Lol, there is so much wrong with this. First off the difference is typically 2. In the case of what OP is looking at it is only a one round difference. Secondly if you need those 1-2 extra rounds in that last mag then you should have brought a rifle or a shotgun to a fight. You obviously suck at shooting to if it takes you 20+ shots to stop a robbery. In fact if it takes you that long to stop a threat, you will probably be dead in the middle of your first mag change. The fact is the first 3 shots count way more than those last 2.