/k/, best HD rifle for a Boston resident? Never owned a gun before.

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>>31533655
>semi-automatic that's under $200.
hand guns are semi automatic, but you're never going to get a good semi automatic rifle for that price. And the only good hand guns around that ballpark are surplus. Be more specific you faggot

>>31533655
>semi auto rifle
>under $200

I have some bad news for you poorfriend

>>31533672
I was hoping for something like an SKS. Didn't they used to be under $150?

Alright, assuming it can't be semi-auto, is bolt-action any good for HD?

>>31533672
You won't get a good handgun for that either.

>>31533682
You are living in the world of more guns being sold then ever before. "Cheap" is a lot harder to find. A Hi Point/Jennings/Bryco is about the only thing that fits in those ranges and they are not exactly good guns. If you have around $350 the Canik TP9 is a good semi that'll run well. You can also try to scout for cheaper used handguns. There are police trade in glocks and S&W M&Ps. You can also get an armscor .38 for $250 new.

>>31533682

>Massachusetts
>Boston specifically
>any firearms
>especially under $200

I have bad news for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Massachusetts

tl;dr: The licensing alone will probably cost most of your budget, if not more.

>>31533682
No, most bolts will overpen, I would suggest a cheap shotgun like a maverick 88 for HD if you're really fucked. But honestly just wait and save for the gun you want.
>>31533685
Are maks and toks bad? They go for around 200 still.

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>>31533711
>Mak and Toks
Well maybe Toks, but the going rate for Maks is now more than new semi.

>>31533702
Picture of a TP9

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>>31533702
Armscor .38 snubbie

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>>31533727
That isn't true, maks are sold for 230 average. Fuck you

>>31533702
>>31533711
>>31533727
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>>31533706

tl;dr: OP lives in the worst state for guns aside from NY. No way in hell he's getting anything for $200 or less out the door.

>>31533747
>>31533706
I factored in the $100 licensing already. $200 budget is just for the gun, and honestly, I could stretch that.

What about a rifle in a small caliber? I'm not super worried about over penetration since our walls are like 12" of cinderblock, and I think I'd have a lot more fun with a rifle than a pistol or shotgun at the range.

>>31533770
10/22?

just get a second hand 870

>>31533702
How much for an old glock police trade in?

>>31533672
A HiPoint is shitty but would work. A TT-33 Tokarev is also in that price point. But handguns will require a FID to purchase.

For rifles, there's basically no good options under $200 anymore. I'd suggest you either look into a shotgun (lots of new and used pump-action 12GA's and 20GA's for $200) or into older used rifles (might find a beat-to-shit SKS or something... would be better off tracking down an old hunting semiauto or a lever-action).

Get a shotgun and get out of the ghetto.

>>31533812
Funny thing I'm about as far from the ghetto as I could be. I live in Back Bay. I'm just worried homeslice will tell his friends that our back door was unlocked. The lock's been acting up and we might have to replace it.

>>31533770
Hipoint 995 is about the best option I can think of near your budget if it's legal there. I'm in too good a mood to go and ruin it by reading asstarded gun laws.

>>31533655
>I'd like a semi-automatic that's under $200. Assuming that's legal in this shithole.

It isn't. Thank your attorney general.

>>31533655
pump shotgun is the only thing that will make your budget, work reliably, and be powerful enough to kill someone reliably.

>>31533843
>RECEIVE A FREE 20RD MAG

Thanks for trying to get me to buy a fucking spooky assault clipazine you terrorist

Single shot break-open hammered shotgun, OP.

>>31533867
Hipoints are still legal after Healey's latest shenanigans, there are plenty of them in MA with compliant 10 round mags.

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>>31533746
Prove it son

>>31533782
A 10/22 would work but I would NOT suggest 22LR for home defense. It is slowed significantly by heavy clothing. Winter is, after all, coming.

>>31533804
They run the gamut, but they are usually around 300ish. They are also totally up in the air on quality so buyer beware.

>>31533836
I'd highly suggest doing so. Spend $20 at Home Depot for the lock, extended strike plate, and longer screws.

Is gunbroker the go-to site for checking prices?

>>31533770
Why the fuck are you looking at a rifle for home defense? Shotguns are not only better for hd, they're far easier to get and cheaper. You can actually buy decent quality shotguns for around $200.

>>31533923
>better

Nice meme

>>31533935
For home defense? You bet your ass they are. OP can go to a pawn shop or a gun store and buy a used one within or maybe a little above his budget that will work fine, won't be subject to all the insane MA regulations a rifle would be, and be able to blast an intruder full of holes.

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>>31533867
>Be me after reading hipoint 20 rounder
>Holy shit, they refused to make more than a 10 rounder for years, good for them
>I should google them and see about buying one for shiggles
>995TS
>$315.00
>HiPoint
>$315

Nevermind OP

>>31533954
Are you an actual nogunz? The p64 is not a makarov. It's a Polish made handgun that takes the mak round. It is so so on quality but when they first landed they were 180. So either you overpay for shit or you get a better gun.

>>31533655

MA fag here. You won't really find anything for $200. Like nothing at all besides some 1930s-era Stevens single shot 20ga.

Even at $300 you are pretty limited.

I'd consider looking at milsurp Makarovs/ Tokarevs for pistols (although ammo is harder to find, no good defensive rounds, and it's more expensive).

Cheapest rifles are 10-22s ($300+), SKS ( $400+ for Chinese 56s), you cad find Swiss K31s for $350+ (but ammo is hardish to find, more expensive, and hugely powerful for HD in the city)

If you are serious, I highly recommend going to the $500 price point. You can get used M&P 9/40/45s for that kind of money.

The best HD rifle for a Boston resident that is currently still legal is probably the Mini-14, .223, interchangeable mags, controllable, no serious risk of over penetration.

Other than that look at M&Ps, Rugers (LCR/ SR45...)

For $200 you should be buying much better locks.

>>31533812
This guys got it. You can get a mossberg maverick 88 for under 200 dollars, and while it's a very bare-bones gun without the bells and whistles of more expensive shotguns, it's perfectly capable as a home defense weapon.

Boston has special restriction on who can own what that is more strict then the rest of the state. No SKS's either.

>>31534084
Shit, really? I thought the only thing that varied from town to town was how hard it was to get an FID or LTC.

>>31534094
Sorry friend, I know your pain.
http://goal.org/masslawpages/bostonawban.html

Jesus not a single Maverick 88 post til this one? I don't kow his cuck laws but I can't imagine they neuter shotguns by much. The cheaper mossberg will get the job done.

>>31533950
This. If worried about spread get 00 buck with flitecontrol. It produces a single hole at 10 yards

>>31533954
>$245 average
>even after cherry picking
Different anon btw

>>31533836
Dude, Back Bay is still accessible to all the groids from Dorchester.

Additionally, because no one on /k/ knows anything about MA law, you'll need an FID first. It's a shall-issue, even if you live in Boston, and you can get a cheap Maverik 88 for ~250 on sale at a big-box store.

The problem is: you live an Apartment, presumably with room-mates, and guess what, EVERY landlord in Back-Bay says "No Firearms" in their lease.

I was only able to find one who didn't care because it was far out in the middle of nowhere in Allston-Brighton.

TLDR: it's possible to get weapons in MA (in fact, it's got better laws than some of the Mid-Atlantic states - don't listen to /k/), but, definitely not at 200$.

Can someone please just post the /k/ approved poorfag edition gun chart?

>>31534450
Also, OP.

People don't just rando stab people in the middle of home-invasions. One of your roomies has either blabbed about your home being unlocked/easy to get into, is involved in drugs, or you guys reveal that you have tons of electronics in the house.

Listen to everyone in the thread recommending better locks/screws for your doors - that'll make a MUCH better defense than you getting a gun without any training or good (No. 4) ammo.

>>31534503
>People don't just rando stab people in the middle of home-invasions.

No, but googles do.

>>31533655

>HD rifle
>I want to shoot through my entire house

LOL

get a shotgun and load it with 00 buck or birdshot, rifles are for killing things that are far away.

>Never owned a gun before.

TRIGGER DISCIPLINE

MUZZLE DISCIPLINE

>a semi-automatic that's under $200.

Get a pump action shotty.

>>31534503
It's because he confronted the robber as he was on his way out. I have the utmost confidence in these guys.

And yes, we're going to improve the door.

>>31534533
true, true, but, they try not to risk prison for no purpose. Home invasions are about getting cash, guns, and electronics fast.

OP try discussing OPSEC with your roomies.

Also, you might want to consider locks for window-sashes. It's what we did at my old place.

>>31534543
Absolutely not 00 - not a good choice for apartments - No.4 is PRECISELY designed for apartment living. Remember, in MA if you injure anyone with your round - you're responsible for the injury. Do not Overpen in high-density housing or you're asking for trouble.

>>31534553
Why would you confront a robber without a gun and body armor?

Do you not have renter's insurance? It's just stuff dude, nothing to risk your life over.

>>31533891
>22LR for home defense

I could make the argument from shot placement, but I know it's bullshit unless you are legit operator.

>>31534562
>No.4 shot

I thought that was a foul/small game round.

Obviously still effective, I might be more comfortable with bird-shot despite how disgusting it is.

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>>31534477
Done

>>31534685
Still better in close-quarters where you have thin walls. Remember, in MA, ANY damage you cause (either to property or people) can be sued on in civil court. You might win your HD encounter, but, with 00 or even 000 buck you might injure someone else and wind up screwed anyway.

Besides, if I'm not mistaken I think there's a difference between the FBI No.4 vs. the Hunting No.4 - if not, cheaper ammo anyway.

OP - I'd be EXTREMELY hesitant to buy a firearm in Boston without training/classes to learn what's legal/not legal and what your responsibilites as a firearms owner are.

Also, no pistols until you get an LTC, and in Boston those are not happening until you get official training.

>>31534583
Hunters have all the time in the world to get shot placement correct. They still fuck up on occasion. If you're in a defense situation, shot placement is more about extensive practice and luck. A 22LR is certainly better than nothing, but it's a severe handicap. It checks two boxes--"yes, it's a gun" and "yes, I am shooting at you with it". Shooting for center mass means hitting the heart, lungs, a major artery, or the spinal cord. The head works too but isn't an easy shot on a moving target. The head or spinal cord will stop your attacker in place. The heart or a major artery will have them bleed to death--in about 2 minutes. The lungs will have them stop in about 20 minutes. The other areas won't stop them--broken bones only count if it's shattered arms or legs. Muscle is damaged but not destroyed or disconnected by 22LR. You can't rely on fear or pain to stop your attacker.

That's one reason a 12GA or 20GA shotgun works so well. Buckshot (00 and smaller, preferably 2 Buck or 4 Buck) has a lot of small pellets doing a velocity similar to your 22LR. You can blast a large hole through or hit multiple organs or cause them to bleed out from a variety of locations. It turns Jamal into chuck.

>>31534780
>00
>small pellets

I wouldn't call .30 small myself.

Which is better for HD?

12 ga or 20 ga?

>>31533655
Ive seen hi point 995s run for that much used. Dont know how well they cycle hollowpoints tho

>>31534842
20 gauge will do the job. If the gun weights are the same, it will recoil less and be (slightly) less loud. Many 20 gauges are lighter, so the recoil issue ends up being a wash.

Downside to 20 gauge is that it can be harder to find decent defensive loads depending on where you live. I know that the variety of loads for the 12 gauge is broader where I am (like low recoil buckshot).

In addition to the gun, see if you can buy some electronic earpro. Howard Leight Impact Sports aren't too bad. Crank up the volume and you'll get superhuman hearing.

>>31534888
>electronic earpro

omg I want

>>31534898
I don't know how it would look in a court of law, but it will protect your hearing and also help you know who is where. Never shoot at sounds, but knowing what direction footsteps are going, or hearing voices (recognized or not) will give you a little extra measure of safety.

>>31534816
Get into reading comprehension. 00 Buck is normal and 4 Buck has much smaller pellets.

OP: Each shot size is typically available in most gauges. Some gauges and shot sizes are very common. 12GA and 00 are the most common. 20GA and 3 Buck are as well. .410 Bore and 000 are surprisingly devastating too. Five 000 pellets out of a cheap .410 Bore doing >1100 fps is pretty respectable, even though its spread and stringing is pretty bad. 20GA's 3 Buck would make an ideal option if you or others are recoil sensitive.

>>31534925
>court of law

That reminds me- make sure it has a wooden stock and no tacticool features. You need it to look as much like "granpa's shotgun" as possible, especially in a state like MA.

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>>31533770
Don't forget the safety course also costs $100+
so you're looking at around $200+ for your FID (the lowest tier of license) as well as the loss of dignity from fingerprinting, spending half an hour being stared at at your local police station, and being treated and tracked like a pedophile so you better lube up or just move to NH or Vermont and get out of that godforsaken state a quick as you can.

>>31535007
Shit. How to get gun laws relaxed without voting republican?

>>31535116
You can't. You are going to have to choose between sucking dick and smoking weed and your universal inalienable human rights. Sorry.

>>31535131
lol tell that to maine we just passed constitutional carry and weeds gonna be legalized in november

maine is a "blue" state even though we have the best gun rights in the country

>>31535224
unfortunately we may be losing private sales this november. fucking bloomberg bought our ballot.

also: reminder that even if weed is legal at the state level, smoking it still makes you a prohibited person federally.

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>>31535131
Vermont is better at smoking weed and unalienable rights, so you have to choose between that or sucking dick and having """good""" colleges. This is what we get for having a carpet muncher as our attorney general.

>>31534450
Last year dicks sporting goods in NH had mavricks at 150 on black friday and saturday, he could try that

He can buy any legal rifle/shotgun in NH and register it online at home.

>>31535290
So, vote out this garbage AG in November? Anyone else?

Any idea who'd be a good alternative?

>>31535314
Do you have to register guns you buy in MA, too?

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>>31535319
Her term ends in 2019 and she she passed her assault weapons ban without a vote so no one besides a new governor can really stop her.

>>31535337
Those are done for you at the gunstore in MA alongside your background check
Private sales use the same online forms
All my longguns were bought in NH, driven home, and registered because im a cuck.

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>>31535362
>>31535377
I hate this state so much.

>>31535269
you are right about the background checks and its such a shame

maine has a very weird state politically, there is an almost equal division of cuckservatives, libertarian and super die hard democrats.

thats why TED CRUZ won maine, the only people left in the republican party are the muh Christianity crowd.

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>>31535393
Pretty much our only hope at this point is Charlie baker retiring/dying and Karyn Polito becoming governor, and then nagging the hell out of her to get rid of the recent ban and some of the more abhorrent gun laws.

>>31533954
thats not a makarov you shifty fuck

>>31534562
yea nah when my house was invaded they killed my 2 dogs who were in their cages and my lizard that was also in his cage. If a human was in the house they definitely would of killed them

>>31533655

Pump shotgun is probably your only real option. Assuming a 6-round tube plus one in breech, go with 2 buckshot, one slug, 2 buckshot and another slug. Add a laser and fiber sight and you are good to go. You willprobably go to jail if you actually shoot a burglar in Boston.