>FN SCAR >$2,700 I have the money. But is it worth it?

>>31520168
The SCAR is a good rifle.

buy it so that you can shove it in the face of poorfags

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>mfw I can't get a SCAR for under 4300€

>>31520174
Why do you say that?

>>31520184
It performs well, has low recoil, and is accurate. It is a battle rifle and there's not much more to it.

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>>31520168
Buy the SCAR.

>>31520180
>3900€ in Finland
>4290€ for real fucking NATO

FN Scar or FN FAL ?
The FNFAL is far cheaper.

You cannot justify buying this rifle bow no matter how much shilling fn has here. The SCAR is a good rifle but not worth the money especially now since everyone is starting to panic buy

>>31520222
Op here. I was going to go for the SCAR. I guess I'm hesitant because replacement parts are expensive and not easily obtainable. Especially if we have a cunt Clinton presidency.

>>31520228
Stop being such a poorfag, mate.

>>31520232
You could buy 5 guns for the price of that one heck you could get and fal or ar-10 and still have $1500 to spend on other guns

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>>31520240
And you could stop being so fucking poor.

>>31520240
Kinda my feelings as well. But it would be excellent to have.... just idk. Not really worth it I think

>>31520168
No

>>31520168

I'm in the same position. What's stopping me is this fact: It is a largely plastic gun that actually costs less to build per unit than an AR and FN only sells it for so much because they can.

Still, getting to >>31520179 makes me really want to just throw down.

Being noguns at the moment also doesn't really help my decision either way :\

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>>31520247
>confusing intelligence with poverty
>2016
shiggy diggy, squidlet.

>>31520168

You'll have a hard time finding one currently at that price point. They are neat.

>>31520212
I don't even know which one I'd get. I find the 5,56 one to be much more A E S T H E T I C

>>31520254

I was noguns until very recently myself.

So far I haven't regretted buying a nice AR instead of a SCAR, which I do also want at some point.

>>31520231
From what i've heard SCARs don't really break. It's one of its best features. It was built specifically for SOCOM after all.

>>31520256
While i agree with you, in his defense i'll just say that the idiots get separated from their money easily

I agree that the FN SCAR is a bit overpriced however it's a really good rifle that won't let you down and really awesome to shoot with.

I would go with the 17 if you can afford it.

>>31520231

Guy that runs the full auto range in Vegas said he has a scar that had 200,000 rounds on its bolt. Yes, not a mistake, two hundred thousand.

>>31520247
Do you own an AR? If you do, why dont you own the Jesse James Sandman? What are you too poor to spend $3500 on an AR?

>>31520231
Mate you won't be replacing anything

>>31520392
I have a unicorn horn and some fairy dust to sell you if you want it. I only offer because it sounds like you enjoy fairytales

>>31520439

https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/467919_High_Round_count___Battlefield_Vegas___SCAR_s.html

You don't have experience with the scar. It was designed from the ground up to be piston operated. The cam track is much longer than on an AR. This lowers the pressure greatly on the bolt lugs. The operation of the BCG is so smooth, so it's not hard to imagine it can last 200,000 rounds, ON FULL AUTO too!

>>31520168
>Scar 16

Get a good AR15 instead.

>Scar 17

Fuck yes, anon. Buy that shit.

>>31520228
Stop being poor, then you dont have to justify anything lol

If you want a lightweight semi-auto .308 rifle, I don't know that you'll find a better option.

If you're a no-guns with $3000 burning a hole in your pocket, christ man, get an AR15 and invest the rest towards your retirement or buying some land.

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>>31520168
I own a SCAR and I'm constantly defending them from know-nothing plebs, but if you are gunna keep your AR, you really shouldn't buy it.
It's better than an AR and an AK (because it borrows ideas from them, not because they're bad), but you would be better off having an AR and $2,700 worth of ammo, training, and gear, than two good 5.56 guns.
So, buy it and sell your AR, or keep your AR and get training.

>>31520569
Dont listen to this twat, keep both because they are both nice and very different.

>>31520254
Get the scar now, even after some kinda new shiffuckery you'll be able to get ars and pieces of ars any which way

>>31520232
>>31520247

But you don't even own the rifles, you are a noguns

Paying 2700 for a stock rifle that is mass produced for line infantry units is fucking stupid, considering that once FN competes their contract with the Belgian military and Americans start realizing that the HK 416 has been adopted by the military and law enforcement over the SCAR. The only thing you morons will be stuck with is a polymer and aluminum framed rifle that at most is worth 1600 MSRP

>>31520569

The only thing anyone is attacking is the price you sperglord. Even you can admit there simply isn't 3k worth of actual utility in that platform considering that the polymer and aluminum is supposed to keep production at a lower cost over using steel

>>31520628
Polymer and aluminum are used to keep weight down, not price. It was originally going to have a lot more steel, but it would've weighed over 10 pounds.
And in every other thread that's ever been made about SCARs, there are people who literally make shit up in order to shit on the gun.

>>31520641

lol bullshit, if anything SCAR owners try to shit on other peoples rifle and try to act as if the SCAR is a revolutionary leap in gun design and that rifles never functioned properly before the SCAR

Everyone admits that the SCAR is the better rifle but by margin it isn't that much better. Sure it wins in weight, recoil and ergonomics, but a PWS compensator can be bought for 100 bucks and put on any other rifle

Its a fine rifle but it isn't magic, for people who already have guns that they actually shoot regularly and not just look at, the SCAR offers nothing that we don't already have and its improvements aren't worth the current civilian markup.

>>31520665

"worth" is subjective.

I already had 3 ARs when I got my SCAR 16 and while I agree that the ARs do the same job almost as well, the 16 is an improvement. For me, that improvement is worth the cost because I'm not forgoing anything as a result.

The SCAR 16 is now my favorite rifle and I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look

>>31520682

Worth to you is subjective

Things such a cost-benefit analysis and price-performance ratio do exist and as of RIGHT NOW the SCAR simply isn't worth what they are selling it to civilians for.

In the future of FN doesn't go full retard and actually support their rifle instead of just selling it, the scar might be an option. But by then the HK416 will be light years ahead in terms of market share and aftermarket parts/accessories

>>31520693
>thinking the 416 will ever be a popular gun with lots of aftermarket

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>>31520693

In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy my 16, stack rounds essentially on top of each other at 50m and probably never take my ARs out of the safe again.

inb4 >3shot group

>>31520721

They already have a decent market share in the U.S. As much as you try to deny it, what the U.S military and law enforcement uses has huge sway in where the civilian market goes. And of right now, the adopting of the 416 by the Marine Corps and federal agencies gives HK a huge advantage over the SCAR.

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>>31520727
>$2,500 rifle
>Probably using a >$1000 optic
>Boasts about stacking rounds at 50m

Why do people that own expensive guns think it makes them a good shooter?

>>31520736
They sell the 416 to on the civi market as the MR556. They are not the same as the MR556 shits the bed much sooner than the 416

>>31520739

Post purchase rationalization

The more they spend, the more they are going to look at average and expected function as spectacular while dismissing other products that do the same thing for less

I mean seriously, who the fuck posts a group from 50 meters as if it was something special?

>>31520739

Hate on it all you want, I'm happy with my purchase and confident in the hardware. Plenty of value there for me.

>>31520748

I'd have shot 100 but that range was closed yesterday. Farthest I've taken it out is ~400m.

>>31520168
SCAR, if you're getting the H model.

>>31520374
They have bolt failures in the real world. Even the rental range the whole 200 gorjillion rounds with no failures had a bolt failure. The guy simply misspoke in the MrGunsAndGear video. They replace recoil springs on a regular interval and have had 1 bolt failure. MK 16s see bolt failures too but slightly less frequently than the m4.

>>31520392
Incorrect. Guy misspoke. See Henderson Defense thread on AR15.com's FN section in the armory. Number of misc parts down too.
>>31520457
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/447078_FN_products_handle_stress_VERY_well.html

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>>31520751

Once again, literally no one is hating on your gun other than the price. The fact that you perceive any minor criticism as hate just highlights your own insecurities

>>31520748

And by the way, I could have just as easily said it was 100m shooting but I didn't. I just went to the range yesterday and tossed up a few nickle sized groups from the bench. I'm not calling it spectacular but I am telling you that I enjoy the rifle and its performance is more than satisfactory.

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>>31520767

>I could I lied but didn't

Do you want to get kudos for doing something that is expected of all 7 billion people on earth?

>>31520254

If you have 2700 to spend why not get a good AR or other 223 that isn't as expensive and then get a second gun with the excess? What >>31520569 said. It's a nice gun but 2700 is way too high. 2000 would feel high but a reasonable cost.

Unless it's the SCAR17 in which case >>31520521

>>31520777

This is the internet. Making shit up is a way of life.

>Murder more than a million civilians since 2001
>hurr durr we can't kill civilians

>Murica

>>31520168
You're not gonna find a SCAR for less than $3500 these days. If you really want one you're gonna have to either drop a lot of cash or wait.

>>31520898

The real questions is wait for what? What happens in the next 6 months that makes SCAR prices drop? What about in the next year?

I'm not seeing it.

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>SCAR hate thread
These are soo delicious
Thinking of picking up another one for the memeing

>>31520914

Channel your inner Squid.

>>31520913

If they are selling for $3500 a rifle, then they are in a bubble, and there will be a market correction.

>>31520168
Scar 16s are so fucking Gucci, get one. Everyone saying to get another ar can fuck off. A scar 17 is also awesome.

>>31520932

Only when supply exceeds demand.

>>31520739
Technically Timmy failed at his dream, doesn't this still make him a loser?

>>31520913
They return to civilian import cycles. FN has been focusing on their military contracts, so they haven't been exporting things to America. Next shipment of SCARs should be in around February I think. Same with the PS90 and other shit that isn't their pistols.

>>31521051
Got some sauce on that?
Might transition some savings to a cqbss first if that's the case

>>31521403
Nothing more than talking to distributors for FN, so nothing verifiable.

Keep AR, buy suppressor and ammo.
>'cause why the fuck knot

>>31521425
Sure, but gives me an idea. There have been some choice prices on cqbss scopes, but I thought that the usual FN fall promos might have a wave of SCARs coming in.>>31521434

>>31520168
>2,700

I thought scars had jumped up to high three thousands lately?

>>31521448
Mostly the .308s.

The SCAR aftermarket has gotten really good this year. All we're really missing are cheap lower replacements and barrel kits for <$1000.

>>31521448
$3500

>>31521594
Barrel kits are coming soon. Four mfgs coming out with them.

>>31521609

Great, I mean one of the SCAR selling points is the ease of barrel swaps.

>>31521638

It's extremely useful even if you don't have another barrel to swap with. Just having the ability to easily remove and replace it makes cleaning the rifle a breeze.

>>31521675
Also good for fitting rifle into a toolbox

Go out and shoot it. Or go and be one of the ducks that buys it without a test run and ends up selling it to another anon for a few hundred less.

Not that you will be able to find one for a reasonable price this close to the election.

>>31520754
>H model

cod kiddies pls go

>>31520168
Honestly, the 16" scar looks retarded. And since looks are 99% of the reason to buy this failed socom rifle..ya.

But it should retain its value. At most you may loose like $2-300 on it if Trump wins. But if Hillary wins then looking at probably $3500 rifle if not more.

It falls on its ass in areas. Like the stock, handgaurd, how the barrel gets removed, grip, and lack of FN support.

>>31522343
>H model
>SCAR H
>SCAR Heavy

Implying those aren't perfectly acceptable terms to describe the 7.62x51mm SCAR variant

>>31522380
>Like the stock

Nyet. Stock is fine.

>handgaurd

Necessary to fit 10.5 barrel in a monolithic receiver.

>how the barrel gets removed

Now you're talking out your ass.

>grip

user replaceable

>lack of FN support

Implying FN doesn't support their products.

>>31520778

Yeah. I'd get the 17, deffo, because I can get a random lower and PSA kit for, what, $500 total? Rofl.

Even as a multimillionaire, spending $3000+ on any SCAR (Californian) feels like a total gyp, though. Basically fuck (((FN))) and its greed.

>>31522426
>Nyet. Stock is fine.
And people are paying like $300 for the ACR stock + Adapter.

>Necessary to fit 10.5 barrel in a monolithic receiver.
No. FN could had added an extended rail. At the very least go over the gas block.

>Now you're talking out your ass.
It works but it's not toolless and there are way easier designs to use. LMT for example.

>user replaceable
And non directly comparability with AR grips.

>Implying FN doesn't support their products.
Hey want X part end yser? Well just send your whole fucking rifle in. Maybe you'll get back in 3-8 months.

Hey want a barrel? That'll be a 4 year wait and $1400.

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SCARs are cool but at the end of the day, it's not going to be that much more fun to run than an AR15.

Get a bullpup. ARfags will talk shit, but they are actually fun to train on as manual of arms is so different and when it comes to having a gun in a vehicle, there is no comparison.

Biggest benefit of a bullpup though is extended mags don't offset the balance of the gun, so all the ARfags with 'muh reloads' can STFU as you'll have extra ammo in the mag in the first place.

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>>31522517

The ACR stock doesn't need an adapter. I switched back to my boot after using it for a bit. It just doesn't feel as good. Boot is fine.

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>>31522343
No u

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>>31522621

*the KDG ACR stock. Guess that's an important detail I left out. Besides, the boot feels like it has better weight distribution with my setup and I can cram more stuff in it than the ACR (though I remember the ACR compartment being waterproof and no such claim made about the little cubby I use in the boot).

>>31522517
>And people are paying like $300 for the ACR stock + Adapter.

Are you seriously implying that having aftermarket options is somehow bad or indicative of a OEM design failure?

>FN could had added an extended rail. At the very least go over the gas block.

They have extended rails. Look at the SCAR-H PR extension or the SSR receiver and of course that is totally ignoring the vast amount of aftermarket offerings.

As for extending an extra inch? Now you're just nitpicking. The side rails extend as far as the 12 o'clock rail can go which is at its limit due to the gas block mounted folding front sight post.

>It works but it's not toolless

"Toolless" barrel changes are shit. As evidenced by the ARX being incapable of hitting a barn from the inside and the total failure of the ACR breaking its barrel nut every time you try to torque the damn thing.

>there are way easier designs to use. LMT for example

They both involve loosening and then tightening retention screws with a specific amount of torque. I fail to see the difference, but perhaps because I don't suffer autism like you.

>And non directly comparability with AR grips.

First off, I have an 'AR' grip on my SCAR, so you're wrong. But furthermore, let's look at this from FN's perspective; It's 2003 and you're designing a new rifle for SOCOM, why the fuck would you care about anything more than magazine compatibility with a completely different rifle? Pro tip: the vast AR accessory market wasn't a thing until after the AWB.

>Hey want X part end yser? Well just send your whole fucking rifle in

If you have a problem with your gun requiring replacement of a defective part affecting the safety of operation its their liability if it is not properly fixed. The only way to ensure that happens is to have the customer return the product. Perfect example being the recent bolt hardness issue with the 17S.

Quick q. Should I just get an ACR for hella cheap? The main (and only) complaint seems to be "Bushmaster sucks and doesn't support it aftermarket."

>>31522786

How cheap is "hella"? I don't see a reason not to, if you have the dosh and want an ACR for novelty value.

>>31522786

Friends don't let friends buy ACR's. But I'm not your friend so go ahead and waste your money if you feel like it.

>>31522620
i would def like to get an aug or a tavor but i feel bad about getting a 5.56 that ISNT an ar just because if we were ever in a shtf situation and my non ar broke im a lot less likely to find parts to fix it than if i were to just get an ar

>>31522806

Why is it a waste of money? Can you say anything bad about the rifle other than "Bushmaster sucks and didn't support an aftermarket"?

Not trying to be salty, I just want to know what's technically wrong with it.

>>31522814
or an fns2000

>20 different shades of Brown
ugh, i want to like this rifle but damn.

>>31520168
>Is the SCAR worth 2700 dollarydoos
The rifle is good, but it is for rich ARfags who simply want something different. Its much more expensive than rifles that perform just as good at a lesser cost.

>>31522814

Just stock some high wear parts and keep an AR receiver in the closet. I've had to replace the extractor retaining pin on my AUG.

TAVOR has changes made to it from the Israeli version for the US design and runs filthier than an AR.

Find a Steyr USR or AUG A1 or a Australian Lithgow receiver. They are the real deal. The A3's are alright but they won't hold there value as well.

>>31522837

Think of it as built in camouflage.

>>31522854

There are things the SCAR is no question better at but in most cases they're not worth double the cost of a very solid AR.

>>31522822

Obviously it's just my opinion. However it doesn't speak very highly of any rifle when even the people that helped design and market it (Travis Haley and Chris Costa) say that it sucks and breaks every time they've ever touched one.

Honestly I don't even know where to begin with my complaints:

>barrel profile sucks
>1:9 twist is lame
>not chrome lined
>over 8 lbs empty
>super front heavy
>non adjustable gas setting
>stock is documented prone to breaking at the hinge
>selector switch is is super uncomfortable when set to fire
>unsupported magwell spits rounds on reload (causing malfuncitons)
>quick change barrel system is known to be fragile and break
>had to be recalled due to going full auto (sign of shoddy testing and build quality)

I'm probably forgetting a lot of things, but even Freedom Group knows it sucks. They tasked Remington with developing an improved version which they made but then decided it wasn't worth selling due to lack of government/military interest. Only a few of them were ever sold.

>>31520168
Get it n .308

>>31522876

Cool, thx. Most people just go "MUH IT SUXKS JUST BELIEVE ME."

>>31522860
which do you think is more durable and reliable? aug or tavor? if tavor, which kind? arent there variants of the aug or different models?

>>31520240
You could get an entire car for $2,700. That's a really ridiculous amount of money to spend on just a cawladoody gun.

If you really want to spend a shitload of money on a gun, get $2,300 more and buy a full-giggle FNC.

>>31522909
*aug

>>31522911
>I haven't looked at the price of machineguns in eight years

>>31520231
I know how you feel, but if it bothers you, get a replacement recoil spring, trigger mechanism, bolt, and basically anything that could break in the process of properly using and maintaining the rifle. That's what I did for my AK, anything that has a chance of breaking from normal wear and tear has replacement parts. Better to have them now than look for them after SHTF.

>>31522911
Transferrable FNCs are like $15k

>>31522963
>Implying a SCAR is going to break a bolt
Just don't use shitty Pmags

>>31522986
>Implying Pmags will break your bolt

I used unmodified Gen 1 Pmags exclusively for two years before anyone ever realized they caused peening. No malfunctions. No broken parts.

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>>31522986
>>31523021

Even the Gen 3s are still too high. I file down all my mags as soon as I get them. They run fine in ARs either way so might as well.

>>31523055
Why not just run aluminum?

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>>31520191
>low recoil
over 9000 broken optics would like a word with you

>>31520247
Spending money on wasteful bullshit is such a nigger rich move.

>>31523135

That was only an issue on the 17, not the 16 and had more to do with the type of recoil than the felt recoil. And it also had more to do with the stock muzzle device than the rifle itself.

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>>31523100


No real reason beyond convenience. I've got plenty of STANAGs too but I like the feel of the polymers a bit more, I feel less likely to gouge myself on them and I've got a shitload of them.

Takes like 15 seconds to dremmel the things down when they come out of the bag and I've filed a few down at the range with my leatherman in pretty much no time.

>>31520746
>the MR556 shits the bed much sooner than the 416

sauce this tripe

>>31523441

Henderson Defense/Battlefield Vegas. MR barrels are unlined and keyhole in less than 10K rounds.

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>>31522680
>Are you seriously implying that having aftermarket options is somehow bad or indicative of a OEM design failure?
Are you seriously saying it can't?

>rest is jerking FN off and apologist bs.

Sorry the SCAR is far from perfect. It's no Masada.

If the SCAR is so good. Why has no country made it their general issue service weapon?

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>>31523639
>Sorry the SCAR is far from perfect. It's no Masada.

>>31523659

Because adopting a service weapon has a lot more to do with politics than it does performance.

That said, there are plenty of international operators of the SCAR. Go check out the Wiki page if you need a list.

>>31523605

Yet the trade off is accuracy. As far as the civvie market goes, they know that most shooters are watching thier groups at the range or hunting, now considering the fact that most civvies won't shoot thier gun enough to blow out the barrel. It makes more sense for the MR to have an unlined barrel that will be more accurate so people don't instantly go on the internet after babbys first trip to the range and declare "THIS IS AN INACCURATE PIECE OF SHIT!!!!111!!!

>>31523665
You can keep telling lies to yourself.

>It's almost as good!
>at least I can buy it!
>FN loves me!

>>31523672

Most of them are meme armies that have them for show.

Just look at Nigerian special forces soldiers, sure they have the SCAR but the rest of their gear is complete shit and none of them have multiple magazines

Great fucking budget priorities if you ask me

>>31523679

No one is arguing that. The reason the MR is such a disappointment is because nobody asked for it to be configured that way. Consumers wanted a semi auto civilian 416. We got something that sort of looks like it, but lacks the important features that make the 416 a serviceable duty weapon ie. not shooting itself out after 10K rounds.

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>>31523639
>>31523682
>implying the Masada is perfect
You can't even change the grip on that fragile piece of shit.

>>31523697
Banana Republic special forces are given those SCARs when some NATO nation comes by to train their special forces.

>>31523732
>permanent miad grip
>lists as a negative

Opinion invalidated.

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>>31523765

Apparently Remington felt a user replaceable A2 was better. Not to mention the half dozen other changes made to the gun.

>>31523786
>Shrubmaster
>Masada
Pick 1, champ.

>>31520168

if you're not financially troubled, yes it's a good buy

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>>31520168
If you already have a AR get a Scar 17 instead of wasting your money on the inferior Scar 16

>>31520168
Yes but im extremely jelly, I should've bought one when I had the chance.

>>31520168
Wish they could make it one fucking color

>>31524113

The SCAR 16 is as much of an improvement over the AR15 as the SCAR 17 is over the AR 10.

Aftermarket considered, it's arguably the single best 556 rifle available.

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>>31524147
I wish it came in tiger stripe

>>31524180
>The SCAR 16 is as much of an improvement over the AR15 as the SCAR 17 is over the AR 10.
Not at all?

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>>31524268

>>31524294
I mean I can see the argument for the 7.62 SCARs over most AR10s. But the 5.56 SCARs aren't that great to ARs in the same price range. Especially, the ones with special bolts.

>$2700+ for a 5.56
>$3200+ for the SCAR17

if money doesn't matter to you, then sure, go for it
But if you're like most people with limited funds, there seems to be zero justification for it

>>31524320
>casting asparagus

You're gonna have to provide some substantiating evidence to back that claim.

>>31524320

we've been over this.

>>31520457
>https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/467919_High_Round_count___Battlefield_Vegas___SCAR_s.html

>>31520686
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look

>>31520759
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/447078_FN_products_handle_stress_VERY_well.html

>>31522680

And those didn't really even mention the really basic stuff like an adjustable gas system, folding stock, recoil impulse and weight.

>>31524351

Most of these morons are fake SCAR owners who read the FN brochure too many times and spend all day playing call of duty with enough time to shill a weapon they have never seen IRL

>>31524351
SR15/16
LMT MRPs

More than enough evidence.

You also get into really crazy guns like the mi-t556 at that price range.

>>31524364
The SCAR was already retarded. When you're nearing $3grand it better be the best damn 5.56 rifle out there. It simply isn't. Not even close.

>>31524387

You're still just naming things without saying what you think actually makes them "better."

But the truth is you can't. Because "better" is just a subjective term determined by our own individual requirements, preferences and budget.

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>>31524342
>$3200+ for the SCAR17
Where the fuck do you live, Scar 17 where I live are $2800-$2900

>>31524413
Those companies make extreme long life rifles.

I don't have to name what's better because just about everything is better and if you happen to not like a certain part like barrel or trigger there's a manufacturer making one.

>>31524440
>I don't have to support my argument

Well ok then, thanks for playing.

>>31524432

You haven't priced them recently.

>>31524401

Did you ignore that whole post? Let me TL:DR it for you. The SCAR platform handles operating stresses and wear better than any AR to say nothing of the obvious things like a folding stock and charging handle that isn't in a dumb as fuck place.

>>31524440

A chrome lined barrel isn't new

shooting 1 moa out a semi auto with high end ammo isn't new

muzzle breaks aren't new

>>31524456
I checked armslist and my lgs, they are still that low so I don't know where you are getting $3200

>>31524455
>I can't google
>I never heard of LMT or KAC becouse it wasn't in the last CoD game
Thanks for playing.

>>31524456
>The SCAR platform handles operating stresses and wear better than any AR
Hard to beat lifetime.

>folding stock
Muh CoD operating
>and charging handle
A reciprocating charging? Ya I agree it's retarded.

>>31524472

Does your local shop actually have them in stock? If so, what are you doing still posting here? Get down there now and buy them to flip online. Gunbroker auctions are selling at $3.5-4K right now.

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>>31524472

This is for you.

>>31524487

You're an idiot. The reciprocating charging handle is a feature, not a flaw and it was specifically asked for during the design process. And if you think there's no occasion for a folding stock, you've never gotten into or out of a vehicle with a gun. Or stored a gun. Or packed a gun in luggage.

Or maybe even handled a gun. Unless you think we should replace all those AK folding stocks with the clearly superior telescoping m4 alternative.

>>31524521
>You're an idiot. The reciprocating charging handle is a feature
No my ignorant friend. It's not a feature, it's another mark on the list of the SCAR being inferior to the Masada.

>And if you think there's no occasion for a folding stock
I didn't say that. A folding stock isn't a deal breaker. Especially when it rattles like airshit.

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>>31524575

Ironically the only Masada's ever sold were licensed airshit.

>>31524629
Blame Bushmaster/Cerberus.

>>31520254
>largely plastic gun
largely what? Only the lower is plastic.

I'm going to put this way. If you really need to think to justify a 2700 dollar purchase, maybe you should step down to a basic bitch AR.

>>31522911
you're a dumb shit.

>>31524113
>inferior Scar 16
according to whom? You? GTFO.

>>31524669

Sure you do. Only debtfags and millennials don't care about the cost-benefit ratio

>>31524575
>It's not a feature
IT'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FROM FUCKING SOCCOM YOU DUMB FUCK.

HOW ABOUT YOU ACTUALLY RUN THE RIFLE BEFORE YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT IT? IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD ONE, JUST GO BLOW LIKE 50 COCKS. YOU DO THAT FOR FREE ANYWAY.

>>31520180
Jesus christ that is a lot of money

>>31524698
when your household income starts with a 6 and has 6 digits, you'll understand that a few k USD is a trivial sum to blow.

cost/benefit to you is not cost/benefit to me. And if you think the application of modern polymer is detrimental to a gun's performance, you're not only poor, you're fucking stupid.

Go ahead, go buy your fucking M&P Sport. You won't fully appreciate the SCAR anyway.

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>>31524739

But you are on 4chan so it literally doesn't.

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>>31524713
You forgot the part where it's a failed SOCOM rifle. Not a SOCOM rifle.

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>>31524698
Care to name all the other rifles with the same features as a SCAR for me then?
Ill wait.

>>31524739

Sorry, just not how I am as a person. I'm rich enough to never work a day in my life and it seems stupid as fuck to buy something that is expensive /exclusively/ because it can be. FNH isn't even a fucking luxury brand.

>>31524752
believe what you want. If you need someone to save you 2700 dollars, just say so. If you're actually in the market for the top dog piston driven 556 platform, you have 2 choices:

LMT or SCAR16

Assuming you can comfortably afford them, of course.

>>31524781
Neither is KAC, LMT, or GAP

>>31524776

care to justify paying 3 grand for a mass produced stock rifle whose only main user is its nation of origin?

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>>31524766

You're really not even trying anymore.

>>31524766
really? Tell me how many SCAR Hs are in service. Any your argument makes no sense because SOCOM SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THIS FEATURE.

It's very simple: you play with what you can afford. If you can't afford it, don't try to make yourself feel better by saying it's a POS.

>>31524801
>He thinks mass produced is a negative
Right after you name all the other rifles with the same features as a SCAR.

>>31524795

I'd consider KAC and, say, Noveske actual luxury brands. They're legitimately boutique manufacturers. They also aren't marked up just for the sake of markup, unlike FN SCARs.

Not saying the SCAR isn't a good platform. It's just ridiculously overpriced in every way. As someone who doesn't care about money in the first place, stuff like this still bothers me. I dislike being taken advantage of, especially by massive corporations that do not need to screw their customers.

>>31524766

Because the 16 isn't as big an improvement over the M4 as the 17 was the fucking broke ass M14.

In the meantime, several military and police units around the world use the SCAR 16 just fine, including the entire Belgian army is swapping from FNCs to SCAR 16s.

>>31524801
care to justify playing 4.5K or more for a mass produced AR-10 whose only main user is its nation of origin? (Hint, it's the SR-25). (Hint #2, they're being phased out)

>>31524811
Sure do look like 5.56 guns to me, kiddo.
>>31524817
>mug 7.62

The 5.56 SCAR failed. There's no sugar coating it. It 100% failed compared to the m4.

The 7.62 SCAR beat out a m14 or something. Ya.

>>31524829
A Noveske .308 AR is $4000
Please explain to me how that is not marked up then.

http://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles/products/16-gen-iii-n6-switchblock-rifle

>>31524829
>They're legitimately boutique manufacturers. They also aren't marked up just for the sake of markup

HOLY FUCK! YOU JUST WON THE DUMBEST FUCKING POST OF THE DAY.

>>31524836

You can't, the Knights Armament is only 4.5k to the civilian market due to KA not giving a shit about mass producing them therefore increasing the rarity for a gun that isn't that good to begin with

>>31524841

>"Every handgun that isn't the m9 is a failure because because the US military hasn't replaced the M9 with any of them yet."

That's the argument you're making.

>>31524829

The SCAR is cheap to manufacture, expensive to import and set at a MSRP commensurate to rifles with similar features. You're not being taken advantage of when you have the ability to buy something else.

>>31524863

this

/thread

>>31524860
No unlike the SCAR other handguns besides the m9 have found homes through out the world.

>>31524841
>It 100% failed compared to the m4.
you're fucking stupid as fuck.

SCAR L was withdrawn due to LOGISTICS and FUNDING reasons. Do you know how fucking wide the SOCOM logistics net is? It is a marked improvement of the M4. Otherwise the project wouldn't even have proceeded.

Like, how fucking stupid are you?

>>31524875

LAPD, the Fins and GSG have one thing in common.

SCAR 16s.

>>31524880
>No really guys it was just as good and better even!
>It just costs too much!
Ya yet HK got 416s purchased. That tells you how big a piece of shit the SCAR is right there.

>>31524855
>not giving a shit
my NFA dealer does a lot of business with C R Knight. You're wrong on that regard. The bigger factor is prestige.

>>31524890
Let me know when a real army buys them.

>>31524899
They also bulk purchased eotechs.....

>>31524911
And they work fine for them.

>>31524908

NFA isn't the bread and butter of the gun market so try again.

But yes prestige thing is a big thing...if you're a fucking idiot who learned about guns from call of duty

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>>31524909
Explains why the DoD sued them

>>31520527
You know, making compulsive purchases is something porrfags do?

Unless you need it or you're dead set on getting it, you're a fucking idiot for buying it, regardless of finacial status.


>t. Former poorfag turned richfag

>>31524899
You know TRAINING is part of logistics, right? You also know that HK provided FREE development to SOCOM in exchange for field feedback, right? And finally, you know it was JSOC that purchased it, not SOCOM, right? Go find me the total number of units tendered. Go. Compare that with the SCAR contract.

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>>31524899

416's are exclusive to JSOC elements. M4 SOPMOD's are provided curtesy of the parent services. At the time the Mk16 was fielded SOCOM was hit with a massive budget cut and tasked with setting up additional aviation units including purchasing all of their own aircraft.

>>31524967
But a SCAR doesn't really cost that much. Just balance it over a couple paychecks if your worried about the cost

one of my friends is a former ranger, he told me alot of the rangers didn't like the reciprocating bolt because they would accidentally slightly pull it back enough to where it wouldn't fire when needed. and the first shot is the most important..

>>31524992
There are folding charging handles...

>>31524696
Shut your mouth you little bitch, Scar 17 is superior to the Scar 16. Ya that is right run off like the little bitch you are, god such little faggots.

>>31524931
So you think the M110 being active in the US inventory does not have an impact on SR-25's price point?

Is this what you really think?

>>31524992

What? Like they'd hold the spring tension back so as to keep the bolt out of battery?

I've got the money for a SCAR but the only thing keeping me from buying it is the fact that I don't want a repeat of what happened when I dumped a shit load of cash on a 97 Viper and then never drove it or even enjoyed it for fear of ruining my expensive toy.

Anyone else have this problem?

>>31524511
>>31524521
>gunbroker
Your opinion is invalid if you get your prices from fucking Gunbroker.

>>31524978
See shit like this would hold if even a single other Army worth a damn took up the scar and not AR variants like the MRP and 416/417s all the time.

>>31525008

It does, stop trying to make non existence arguments just so you can be right about something

It doesn't change the fact that the SR-25 has been plagued with problems are is generally hated by people who have to use it.

Not that it matter if you learned about the rifle from CoD

>>31525015

If the cost of the gun is worrisome it means you can't afford the ammo to train with it effectively anyways.

>>31525021
>all the time
416 went to France
417 is replacing the M110
MPR is going to new zealand
LMT 308 going to England

Is this "all the time" to you?

>>31525042
>If the cost of the gun is worrisome it means you can't afford the ammo to train with it effectively anyways.

The only people who post this are legitimate poorfags roleplaying that they can afford a SCAR. Not one Mr. Moneybags with this sentiment will post a timestamped picture of their SCAR.

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>>31524739
someone understands the value of spending enough money to get a weapon that works for them.

>>31525042
Considering the round count the barrels can go through, the cost of the rifle is negligible.

>>31525054
IAR found service with the Marines, that contract alone is bigger than anything FN managed to do with the SCAR outside of Belgium

>>31524991
If you really want a SCAR than by all means go for it, but you shouldn't buy anything equal to the price of a cheap little car on impulse just because a couple dudes on the internet said they were cool.

That's how you end up regretting your financial decisions.

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>>31525068
That is some quality bait anon.
Rare sight these days.

>>31525079
But I bought one years ago and love it.

>>31525042
Its not that. Its the fact I don't want to drop 2500+ on a gun and then end up fucking it up some way.

Like I said, I can afford it, but I grew up dirt poor so I still get real iffy about expensive "toys".

>>31525035
are you actually born retarded or just drank the stupid koolaid today?

You said SR25s are expensive because KAC doesn't produce them in large numbers, not because there is a cachet attached to their military service.

I countered and said that Knight himself very much cares about the civilian market.

You said NFA items don't matter, which I guess is understandable since I didn't specify the conversation I heard at the dealer, BUT

when I asked if you think SR-25 price point is impacted by it's active inventory status, you just forget what you were talking about?

Dude, you need to fucking get your head checked.

>>31525101
If you do, somehow, manage to break one, just get it repaired. voila, your back in business.

>>31525077
You didn't mention the IAR.

But yes, it did beat out the HAMR. Having said that, the roles are difference, and marines are fags.

>>31525120
You even went whole hog and got the crappy red dot.
What brake is that?

>>31525129
Anon, I don't have that kind of mindset. Regardless of my money, I could be a trillionaire and I still wouldn't be like "lol oh well I'll just get it fixed."

>>31525101
damn, it really does suck to be raised in poverty.

My heart goes out to you anon.

>>31525106

The numbers they produce are for the military, any they let into the civvie market a relatively few in number, compounded with increase demand from retards who don't know anything about weapons at all leads to an inflated price on the civilian market

>>31525145
But its just parts.
What do you earn the money for if not to enjoy it?

>>31525091

Bust out your phone and fucking take a picture, then. Until you do you're just a fucking autismo goading people into making poor decisions.

>>31525140

I wasn't the guy you quoted

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>>31525163
And you shall recieve

>>31525159
>earn the money

Plebeian detected. Rofl.

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What can I say I love the taste of irony. After all spending more money on a 5.56 gun. As well as parts & accessories for it alone then a single SHILLED SCAR 17 "heavy" are hilarious within in its own right. FDE to match OP's post to...

>>31525178

Nice. Thanks for being legit, anon.

>>31525179
>implying incentive pay isnt earned.

>>31525011
like the bolt would be out of battery from when it got hooked on there gear and when it they went to fire the bolt never went back into battery. l assume like if you slowly let an AR bolt forward.

>>31525154
>they let into the civvie market a relatively few in number

I personally don't think that's true. If you can't provide the sales number for the SR-25, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

>>31525166
it's ok bby, I still choose you.

Are you honored?

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>>31525163

>>31525190
NP. Thinking im finally going to upgrade the light on it. Was thinking a 1000lumen surefire, but I think I might go with a DBAL A3 and a smaller light, slap a unity tactical switch on it.

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>>31525063

Damn, you got me bro. It's true I am a legitimate poorfag, but at least I own a SCAR or two, or three...

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>>31525221
>bootstock

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>>31525144
It's not a crappy red dot actually its better then the eotech 553 in FOV alone.The brake is an Epsilon VG6 with CAGE device to reduce concussion. It's the lightest & shortest brake/flash concussion combo out period. I hope they make one in .308 one day. Also the dimensions of it allow for the flash hider to accept a griffin armament SD2 suppressor. That's still a ways off pending the election.

I can understand richfags getting a SCAR but you can get a decent AR for 600 and spend the leftover on optics and accessories.

>>31525159
I earn money to survive and provide a decent life for my kids, not enjoy it myself.

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>>31525246
>Not putting your can order in now and starting the wait now

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>>31525266
Thats a harsh way of looking at life.

>>31525281
But I wouldn't say I don't go out and treat myself every now and then, whether it be some smoke, beer, car parts, or a new gun.

Family and home come first though.

>>31520168
The reciprocating bolt handle is annoying as fuck.

>>31520231
Clinton isn't going to go after your guns, retard. Do you want an idiot like Trump to be president? We'll have far bigger problems if he's in than gun problems.

>>31525332

You're doing it right, anon.

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>>31525231
>DBAL A3

Nigga, want mine?

j/k, u can'tz haz.

>>31524739
>6,000.00

That's... Geez, I feel sad for you anon.

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>>31525387

Thanks for Correcting the Record.

>>31525408
Not pictured are:

2x Aimpoint Micro T2s
1x Nightforce ATACR F1 4-16x
various cheap optics I bought for fun

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ITT: "If I believe hard enough the SCAR is actually pretty good"

>>31525410
well played sir, well played.

>>31525375
No it's not.
It's a plus and has made me realize how obnoxious AR charging handles are.
>>31525438
>ITT: "If I believe hard enough the gun I don't own is actually pretty bad"
FTFY

>>31520228
>starting to panic buy
I haven't been able to buy anything at reasonable prices since sandy hoax. I perpetually have to deal with shit being out of stock.

>>31525537
>ITT: "If I believe hard enough the gun I don't own is actually pretty bad"
Why would I buy a shitty gun?

>>31525428
Been thinking I need to replace the NXS im running with a CQBSS. The ATACR is fucking tits, but a .308 seems a little wimpy for it, of course when the creedmoor barrels come out....

>>31525555
>literally admitting to confirmation bias

>>31525575
Because the Masada is the by far superior rifle and I don't want to settle for an inferior rifle?

Well you got me.

>>31525237
So are you completely out of the AR game? I want to make the jump but 16s are retarded to find even on GB.

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>>31525696

I was never really part of it. The only reason I ever bought an AR was to flesh out my clone armory.

And like they say, the best time to buy a SCAR was yesterday.

I have shot the 16 and 17.

I like them both. But i wont buy them.


The price just isnt worth it.
It isnt that im poor. I make 50k a year. But for as cool as the gun is, i can justify it over my ar10 or my ptr.

>>31525584
really? Where is it?

Oh, you mean the ACR? Yeah, that piece of shit is BAD.

>>31525904
>I make 50k a year

you're the very fucking definition of poor.

>>31525904
>justify
thats your problem right there

>>31526351
No not the ACR, newfriend.

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>>31526588
>he wants a never made it to production rifle.

>>31526588
yeah, the ACR, because the fucking Masada was never released.

>>31526364
Really? Do you know what poor actually is?

I make 45k , have a paid off house and no debt.

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>>31526600
>he wants a never made it past SOCOM rifle

>>31526364
It depends on where he lives at.

That's poor for major inner city living but for countryside "flyover" states, you can nearly live very well on that.

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17s is funtimes

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>>31526616

>>31526613
Poor? Sure. The average household income of my zipcode is in the 6 digits. So anything less than 100K would be poor.

Now if you want to talk about POVERTY, that's a different story.

>>31526625
no dawg. Not all goods scale with cost of living adjustments. Sure you won't be hungry, but you won't be driving sports cars and dining at 3 star michellins.

>>31526676
>Poor? Sure. The average household income of my zipcode is in the 6 digits.

Income means nothing. You're either born/adopted into class or you're a pleb.

t. Patrician.

>>31526695
incoming is an extension of wealth.You can be born with a trust fund, but once your lifeline is cut, you're worse than a fucking peasant. I've seen enough kids from wealthy families end up waiting tables to know.

t. 650K adjusted gross income last year.

>>31524739
that was some classic saturday night shitposting son.

the spirits of girl, marissa, and squid look down on you with pride.

>>31526727

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to feel good, dude.

>>31526625
I make 3x the living wage of my county.

Live in one of the best firearms state

Keep your coasts. I love "flyover " country.

>>31526784
I live in Michigan. Like I said, certain goods do not scale with cost of living adjustments. But I am envious of you simply because your needs are so simple, and your wants so basic.

No joke friendo, I wish I can live like you.

>>31526779
I hope you like waiting tables. I tried it in college back in the days. Got fired within 2 weeks.

>>31526616
Did the ACR make it passed SOCOM?

>>31526676
Only six figures....

How is life on food stamps?


Avg income in my zip is 2.7million.


The down side is im noguns in Manhattan

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>>31526857
shots fired

>>31526857
ACR isn't the Masada, kid.

>>31526871
did the Masada make it to a production line?

>>31526857

It was never tested by SOCOM.

>>31526830
What is it you do to make 6 figures?

Genuinely curious

>>31526892
The Masada is already a sad enough story. Doesn't need Cowiduty kids spitting on it.

>>31526871

Fact: It's easier to get a Walther WA2000 than a Masada.

>>31526914

Any other obscure CoD guns you'd like to mention while you're at it?

>>31526930

You're also more likley to go to space and have a threesome with the pope and betty white.

>>31526864
When I graduated, I turned down a job at an IBank because I didn't want to deal with NYC. This is during the glory days of early 2000's, btw.

My 650k a year of food stamps is a price well worth paying for not dealing with the big apple. Everytime I go for the restaurants, the city reminds me why I should never live there for any extended periods of time.

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>>31526949
a young betty white?

>>31526930
>>31526912
>>31526892
>>31526871
>>31525584

>All this cockgobbling for a rifle that he's never even seen in person.

I don't even know where this falls on the autism spectrum but it's gotta be up there with waifus.

>>31526895
tech consulting. I own a firm (actually it's structured a lot like a partnership now). We specialize in Citrix and SAP.

>>31526971

No, if you can time travel you might actually be able to get a Masada.

>>31526949
There are a handful of Masada rifles. Whether they got destroyed by Shrubmaster I don't know but in the off chance they didn't I'd say you're more likely getting one then that.

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>>31526914
How easy is it to get pic related?

>>31526996
I wonder if Bushmaster with allow somebody else to make the rifle. They screwed the pooch hard.

>>31526975

A rifle so good, no one wanted to make it.

>>31526997
If this is 2004 and your hanging around the green zone, not too hard.

>>31527017
Shrubmaster would. Cerberus wont. I'd be really surprised if Cerberus didn't destroy all the Masada rifles.

>>31527017

You can't screw up a failure.

>>31527032
>tfw no time travel
>tfw no commercially available Hoverboard & self lacing shoes
If I invent time travel, should I warn Magpul about how the ACR will end up?

>>31527071

And deny some anon faggot all his troll potential? Heartless bastard. It's his only joy.

>>31526996
>>31527017

What's the actual difference between the Masada and the production ACR? Just material quality/quality control?

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Every fucking time

>>31527093
Plenty of things. The Masada had all sorts of promised features, lower price, etc. The amount of these promises fulfilled are nonexistent.

>>31527108
I heard that the SCAR's stock isn't so good & even from SCAR lovers. Is it true?

>>31527093
The Masada wasn't an anchor and actually had a good barrel. Tons of other shit but that's the big differences between the Masada and ACR.

The Masada was essentially a modern AR18 done perfectly. Think a SCAR but not shit.

>>31527071
Cubs didnt win last year
Time travel is impossible

>>31527133

The SCAR stock is actually pretty great. You'll hear a lot of misinformation and ill-informed opinions however.

>>31527133
SCAR stock is pretty based
Most who got the KDG ACR stock end up putting the boot back on.

>>31527143
>The Masada was essentially a modern AR18 done perfectly. Think a SCAR but not shit.

You would know because you've shot them both right?

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>>31527133

Actually it's pretty solid. Plenty of adjustment. I've never seen one break outside of an early production batch from 09-10 and while the cheek riser isn't perfect it's fully functional.

Beats the shit out of most AR stocks.

>>31527143
>Think a SCAR but not shit.
you mean the Masada borrowed a lot of features from a lot of rifles, including the SCAR.

>>31527133
I have both the ACR stock and the OEM SCAR stock. I honestly like the SCAR stock more. It's easier to work with.

>>31527143
I'm curious if you tested it out yourself. In fact, how many have tested the Masada anyway?

>>31527154
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>>31527180
Thanks anon. I've just heard sone call it flimsy and down stories of them breaking in the field.

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>>31527180

I can ditto that. I put the ACR from KDG on my SCAR and pulled it off in favor of the OEM stock after less than a month.

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>>31527201
It makes pretty pictures.

>>31527195

I can't even guess what they'd be talking about. Maybe the cheek riser but I've never seen a single example of a non-airsoft FDE scar stock failing catastrophically.

>>31527133
No.
I love it.
I've never heard some who owns one shit talk it.

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>>31527211
And makes FALs look pretty swank

>>31527211

That it does. But I can stash two flashlight batteries and 2 CR2032s for my optic in the boot. Couldn't do that in the ACR buttplug.

>>31527212
>>31527213
That's odd. Some I've heard talked badly about it. I can get some stories (though not the ones I've read) just from a random Google search https://www.google.ca/search?client=ms-android-motorola&q=fn+scar+stock+breaking&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjeieL6i7vPAhUB4oMKHcqtBj8QvwUIFygA&biw=360&bih=511

>>31527180
>you mean the Masada borrowed a lot of features from a lot of rifles, including the SCAR.
Not really.

Things the SCAR doesn't have.
-Toolless QD barrel
-Actual useful handguard
-A trigger pack made to be easy to replace and maintain
-Non rattly stock
-non reciprocating charging handle
-AR sights

The Masada is lighter too. For example Shrubmaster fuck up so hard in the design that you can a shave good 2lbs by making the components aluminium. Stuff like the piece that locks into the stock and what not.

Some other shit I'm probably forgetting.

In starting to think I should just be satisfied with an AR-15 & call it a day.

>>31527257

The Masada also doesn't exist, so there's that.

>>31527257
I thought SOCOM specifically requested a reciprocating charging handle.

>>31527299
It does exist or the very least did. How young are you?

>>31527299
Sone prototypes do. I'm hoping they still exist.