Actually unpopular opinions thread >2nd amendment guards against

Semi-auto only being assault rifles is not an opinion, it's just factually incorrect.

You limp dick libtard.

>>31501353
>Go fuck yourself, I can shoot any tyrant I want regardless of who they work for.
>True, I would say state governments top the tyrant list. And local PD is an arm of the state.
>Notanopinion.jpg that's an objectively false statement there friend.

>>31501381
>>31501409
according to whom

>NRA
Full of shit
>US army
does not use the term

and a 45 year old document about fighting communism does not qualify as current

>>31501420
DOD, NRA, common usage among shooters.

>>31501420
From what I've seen, "assault rifle" seems to indicate a rifle capable of select-fire (semi auto or full auto/burst). That's just what I've been told. Anyone got a different definition?

>>31501420
>according to whom
Basically any military classification that uses the term.

>>31501353
I don't know about local cops. Sheriffs in CO have pretty much entirely refused to enforce the mag ban. That's pretty bro-tier, IMHO.

>>31501409
who are you quoting

>>31501420
SELECT FIRE. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, RETARD.

>>31501496
Yeah a lot of our loval deputies and city cops won give a damn about gun "crimes" (Califag here) But heaven forbid you get caught by SFPD with anything even remotely gun related.

>>31501510
I was replying to OP

>>31501496

tfw your local sheriffs are suing your governor

>when OP is so retarded he thinks everyone is also retarded

>>31501570
but you were greentexting like you were quoting

>>31501474
Most media outlets, POTUS, literally every dictionary

>>31501353
>2nd amendment guards against tyranny
>but the tyranny of municipal and state governments
>not federal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWsyV269kNo

>>31501490
None of them do and basically all of 0 is 0

>>31501553
If they don't respect the law, they don't respect the law. Know what that's called? Tyranny.

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>GLOCKs are probably the best handgun ever invented
>every company is just doing a work around to design the same pistol
>PTRs and FALs are pointless and hopelessly inaccurate weapons
>firearms, especially light, modular modern guns are the reason we can have female troops and are probably one of the best things to happen to when in human history
>gun control is wrong because it's racist, sexist and used as a weapon in class warfare

>>31501658
most absurd part of your post is the suggestion class warfare is a real thing
Bill Oreilly is worth $70 mil.

These threads are guaranteed shit because they just becomes obvious bait threads

>>31501409
You have never shot a tyrant. And you never will.

>>31501420
According to the Germans, who invented the term when they renamed the MP44 the Sturmgewehr,

>>31501648
>Disrespecting tyrannical laws is tyranny.

Wait, what?

>>31501684
You a guaranteed shit

>>31501706
It's double tyranny!

>>31501353
>>2nd amendment guards against tyranny, but the tyranny of municipal and state governments, not federal
Nonsense.
>>Local cops are a lot more tyrannical than the feds
Generally true, but usually because they're closely tired to governments
>>Semi auto does an assault rifle make
Wrong. Read a book.

>>31501708
kill yourself my friend
these threads are only good for unsubtle shitflinging and bickering

>>31501685
Got tomorrow's lottery numbers there Mr future sight?

>The US should have never switched to 7.62mm from the .30-06. If they were going to change they should have adopted 7.92x57mm.
>9x19mm is a peashooter cartridge, Go 10mm or go home
>16 gauge shotgun is the best bore size due to it's bore diameter in lead being equitable to an ounce.
>AK-74M is better than modern M4s
>America needs to bring back the draft

>>31501353
OP needs to be lynched in front of his liberal buddies.

>>31501735
Your opinions are shit.

All of them.

>>31501353
>but the tyranny of municipal and state governments, not federal

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

You think that you're entitled to shoot at your local police, but not the army?

>>31501741
Second

>>31501735
post your 10mm

>>31501747
Hes a BLM supporter, they have no sense.

>>31501741
This...

>>31501420
> the NRA is evil guys a ruger 10/22 is an assault rifle!

You're a faggot to the highest degree.

>>31501706
Tyranny is illegal use of power

>>31501776
Regardless of anything else the NRA is full of shit.
You can't deny that

>>31501791
>Tyranny is illegal use of power.

Should we rename this "Objectively false statements thread"?

>>31501735
>AK-74M

Man, you could have listed a good platform, but you chose an old soviet weapon instead. I would love to see the justification.

>>31501791
>Regardless of anything else the NRA is full of shit.
>You can't deny that
They are one of the ONLY organizations that has done anything remotely beneficial for gun owners in the US, who the hell even are you?

>>31501741
Name one advantage 7.62mm has in its modern role over 7.92mm or .30-06

>>31501791
>Tyranny is illegal use of power

By whose laws?

Most of the time, the tyrants are the ones making the laws. That's kind of how, you know, how they create tyrannies in the first place.

>>31501823
I wrote a paper comparing the two and I'm struggling to see where the fuck he got that idea, outside of being an out of touch Russoboo.
>>31501828
Shorter action, same energy in military loads, lighter.

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>>31501747
>fuck da police
>God Bless Our Troops!!! *eagle cry*

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7.92x57mm Mauser/8x57 IS should've been retained and made a NATO caliber.

>>31501849
Fuck both of them tbqhwyf

>>31501841
>By whose laws?
Definition
"arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority."

http://www.constitution.org/tyr/prin_tyr.htm

>>31501826
Is CTR just getting better at masquerading as your run of the mill /k/ommando pretending to be retarded?

>>31501846

AK-74Ms usually print the same as a standard M4, use a better cartridge that's easier to use with iron sights, and are far simpler to maintain for field conditions than the M4. Not arguing any of the SOCOM upgrades or anything, I'm just talking about the railed top version with iron sights vs the AK-74M with iron sights.

On the .30-06 and 7.92, no the 7,62 Nato does not have the same ballistics as the .30-06. .30-06 AP loads from WWII beat out the Nato round in every imaginable detail, especially bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, muzzle velocity and section density of the projectile itself. It's a much better machine gun round as far as ballistics go and that basically all we use the 7.62 for anymore anyways since the 5.56 has become so dominant.
>>31501854
Mah nigga

Not sure if popular or not, but
>ATF and IRS are legalized domestic terrorist groups

>>31501987
If it isn't a popular opinion here it sure as hell should be

>>31501353
1. Yeah, No.
2. maybe in Urban city centers, But small town and rural cops/sherrifs department are every day people like you and me.
3. Only to the media and soccer mom liberals.

>>31501735
>America needs to bring back the draft

We arent at war, and even in the middle east with our volenteer to serve military we had enough men and assets more or less.

Also 5th generation warfare doesnt call for a 5 million man army. Its all poltics and proxy wars, To openly fight a ground war from here on out will get you nothing but scowls from your allies and being called uncivilized and tyrannical.

and the next generation of warfare will have even less boots on the ground and will focuss more on drone warfare, where being in a tank or on the ground is more or less a death sentence if you arent the one with air superiority, And if its 2 superpowers going up agaisnt each other where that constantly changes being a man on the ground is a 100% chance of death due to either drones, bombs, artillery, CAS, etc. And you're better off just digging yourself a hole and hopping the fallout and radiation dont kill you from all the tactical and strategic nukes in play.

>>31501987
edgy

>>31501791
Courtesy of Merriam-Webster.
Full Definition of tyranny
plural tyrannies

1
: oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>

2
a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-stateb : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

3
: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>

4
: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>

>>31501420
BATFE, SAF, GOA, GONH, GOAL, JPFO, FBI, LEAA, NAGR, NSSF, VCDL, TTAG, SSU, SAS (Guns right group, not the Air Service), RMGO, and Pink Pistols
and yes, the military does use the term "assualt rifle".

>>31502152
Alphabet soup is so tasty...

>>31502152
All of those groups are either equally or more full of shit than the NRA and the FBI (which you tried to falsely equivocate on the list) has no readily available definition

>>31502065
Oh I'm not saying full terms of service. I mean everyone should have a year or two where they go dig ditches for the corps of engineers or if they show the aptitude can be part of the regular armed services. But everyone should have to serve in some way or another.

>>31501420
it is used by the military

the sturmgewehr (prolly misspelled) was where it came from, and it's meant the same thing for decades. it makes no sense to change it to a politically charged definition with hundreds of variations

>>31501353
>>2nd amendment guards against tyranny, but the tyranny of municipal and state governments, not federal
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to come to THIS?

>>31502281
Can you imagine millenials doing that? there would be 1,000,000 cases a year of non-complaiance and crying adults, and transgenders barely into their hormones, it would be a disaster to put this generations sheltered pricks into that to try to harden them up.

>>31502242
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5]

There are five sources there. Take your pick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle

http://gunfax.com/aw.htm
>"Assault rifles are short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."

>>31502066
I mean he's not wrong, the IRS even has plans to continue business as usual even if a nuclear strike obleterates the U.S.

>>31502334
the liberal kind

A vz looks like a children's drawing if an AK.

There is no such thing as a visually pleasing bullpup.

I think that's about it for me.

>>31502425
>There is no such thing as a visually pleasing bullpup.
Found the fag

>>31502425
Vzs are the ugliest rifles I've ever seen. I don't understand everyone's appeal to them, they're literally the ugliest eastern bloc rifle ever designed. And that's saying something.

The mosin nagant is a meme gun that has not been a worthwhile investment since 2011.

Everyone coming to /k/ and using the term "cuck" got here after Moot left

The Mosin Nagant is only useful in the 21st century if you drop the fucking thing in the Archangel stock.

>>31502590
Then it's my perfect rifle!

>>31501353
The more liberal voting an area the more tyrannical the cops are. In central NJ they are nothing more than glorified gun wielding tax collectors (and they know it) that find themselves exempt from the "laws" they enforce. As a consequence, I have no respect for cops.

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>>31502591
>considering a $150 rifle to be an "investment"
>expecting practicality from a mosin

>>31502591
I use the word cuck sometimes (came in 2007, not really a newfag or an oldfag)

I also don't go on /pol/ and I've only been on there for a total of about an hour (as opposed to probably weeks of my life on /k/)

The Mosin is a good, reliable, simple, effective, and comfortable rifle to shoot. It's not as good of a deal as a few years ago, but it's still worth it.

>>31501353
>>31501420
I think you might be confusing Assault Rifles, which are a thing with Assault Weapons, which is a classification made up by the media and anti's to scare people into thinking assault rifles and 'assault weapons' are the same thing.

Seriously, assault weapon is such a broad category that it pretty much includes all semi automatic rifles/shotguns. The only purpose of the term is to strip the 2A through people's ignorance of firearms.

>>31502650
>>31502662

Yeah, I know that you're seventeen because you think that a Mosin worth collecting or even cleaning is still only 150 dollars. In the time between Sandy Vagina and the JLaw noodz that drove thousands of people to check out that social media 4chan site, Slavaboos have jacked up the prices on nuggets so high it is just not worth it at all.

Strelnikov died of fucking cancer
Ivan left
Don't be that cancer.

COD 5 was years ago now, and I'm sorry.

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>>31501685
Fuck you asshole. I shot an ant that was sitting on a tire with my pellet gun once as a kid. You know nothing of slaying tyrants you philistine.

>>31502745
People like you who expect it to have the weight and accuracy of a 700 are surprise surprise, disappointed. Accordingly, it's production numbers mean it will not be a worthwhile investment in your lifetime. It's the only surplus rifle in its class that shoots full sized cartridges at a reasonable price. The K31 comes close but the ammo is starting to dry up.

Only your projections are claiming that it's the best bolt gun.
>FUCKING SLAVTARDS
>HURR CODFAGS

>>31502802
Mausers don't count as a reasonable price? You can get Yugo Mausers.

>>31502834
Prices on 7.92 I've seen are around 0.75~$1 per round.

>>31502383
That's the post office

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Leverguns are hands down the sexiest guns. The Savage 99 is the sexiest of them all.

I honestly think Kalashnikov stole the overall ''look'' of the AK's receiver from Browning's Model 8.

>>31502374
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
>Wikipedia

>https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle
Read the whole article

>http://gunfax.com/aw.htm
>Army intelligence document FSTC-CW-07-03-70 from November 1970
>from November 1970

>>31502961

>http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/business/nuclear-war-plan-by-irs.html

IRS too.

>>31503224
Well that's unsettling, they can prepare my audit and mail the notices to me too

>>31502745
I don't think it's $150, I think it's worth a few hundred dollars. How does my differing opinion mean I'm 17?

>>31501658
>blocks are probably the best handgun ever invented

not really an unpopular opinion buddy

>>31501420
You are literally retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Characteristics

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Karabiner 98k = Lee-Enfield > Finnish Mosin-Nagant > K31 > Mosin-Nagant > MAS 36 > Springfield 1903

>>31501420
Oxford dictionary, bitch.

"A lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/assault_rifle

>>31503451
I agree completely except for the MAS, never shot it

>>31503464
Using a dictionary for technical terms, good job faggot.

>>31503451
What's your problem with the 1903? And the K31 is just too damn ugly for me personally

All 'Cliven' Bundy was wrong.

>>31503433
Jesus loves me this I know because wikipedia tells me so

The only thing uglier than a p90 is a p90 with a rifle length barrel

>>31503688
>toolazytolookatsourcesthepost

Kid, go back to doing your homework. I know figuring out what 2 + 2 is really hard for you, but one day you'll understand.

>>31503534
>denies that anyone beyond libtards thinks the semi-auto rifles are assault rifles
>shoots down any that do by simply throwing 12 year old grade insults

Nice "appealing to the stone" you have there.

>>31502065
>Generational warfare

Fuck off, Lind

>>31503743
Ive read the sources to the post and they're all 40 years old.

You're the one to cites an ARMY INTELLIGENCE document that's 40 YEARS OLD. Go to army intelligence with a 40 year old document and they'll look at you sideways.

>>31502281
>let's spend 600000000000000000000 dollars to get a bunch of 18 year olds to do pointless shit

I thought /k/ was filled with lolberg idiots?

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>>31503464
dictionaries aren't in charge of technical terms, they're in charge of documenting how Joe Goober should use basic language

and even then they fucking shit the bed. Literally.

>>31501353
On this note, mine is that the 2A was never meant to protect citizens from their own government's tyranny, and was instead intended to let them support the government in a civil war or if invaded.

That's not even an opinion out of my ass, either, it's pretty much what the Federalist Papers say when explaining the 2A. The author of one of the relevant sections (either Madison or Hamilton, can't remember which) even says that people who think they can fight their own government using their 2A weapons are mentally ill. (The exact wording is "have a disease without treatment or cure" or something like that.)

>>31503213
>your point
You didn't make one

>>31504016
>acts like an aficionado on English.
>uses "literally" wrong

>>31501632
Military doesn't even use the term "Assault Rifle" they use the term rifle or weapon.

The main reason why is there are no light weight standard issue rifles that are full auto in the US military. The only full autos are crew served weapons.

>>31501353
>>31501420
>>31501621
>>31501791

Post a pic of your firearms with a current timestamp.

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>>31503913
>old
>therefore is incorrect

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>>31504108

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>>31504174
Fine, you're off the hook, but OP isn't.

>>31502340
Yes I could, if we had actually been doing it when they were teenagers and it was a societal expectation to serve. But we tell them they deserve whatever they want for no actual reasoning instead of "do this to get this".

>>31504197
oh im off the hook
praise jesus

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>>31504225
Don't test your luck, pardner.

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>cops r evil maymay

>>31504060
The M4A1 is a fully-automatic rifle, and it is the standard issue weapon of the majority of the United States military. Don't recall the M4 being a crew served weapon.

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>Glock perfection is an oxymoron. Perfect aside from a slide that never feels confident. Triggers that don't confirm to your finger, and are generally uncomfortable. As well as no external safety. Source: I've never owned a Glock, but I've used my friends G19 a couple times. I also went through a 3 day pistol course with the local FBI training base, where we were supplied G23's. Being someone who's first pistol was an ATI 1911, I can't say I was impressed with Lord Glock.
>Century Arms is a great company. They're trying hard as fuck to bring in a market of American AK's. The rifles get trashed way more than necessary, and the rifles are pretty damn nice for the price. Source: My first rifle was the RAS47, I'm nearing 3 thousand rounds through it, and I'm very impressed.
>Budget guns work well. A lot of people trash budget guns, I'm going on my 6th year of marksmanship training through different teachers and organizations. And I'm going into my second year of NatGuard. I've used the beloved Colt m16's and ar15s. Honestly, I've never found much a difference between my roommates new Ruger556.
>Military training sucks. I'm not 11B so maybe I can't judge their training. But basic doesn't teach shit.
>45 is the superior caliber. Too many videos and stories of cops shooting motherfuckers and they keep fighting back. It might be time to step up to the harder round.
>Optics are good, but learn to use steel sights first. First time you drop that rifle hard enough, your sight is fucked from an optic.
>556 is a functional killing round, but 762x39 is superior.
>Everyone bitches about rifle accuracy, and love to quote how accurate the RIFLE is. However if you suck shit, it doesn't matter. Throughout all my time on the range I've never found anyone who's shot better than me, and I've seen only few who shoot as good as me. Your one inch group AR doesn't mean shit when you cant hit a silhouette at 50 yards fucker.
>AK inaccuracy is now a myth.

>>31501353
I think you'd be a better fit in r/gunsarecool

>>31501658
>GLOCKs are probably the best handgun ever invented
This thread is about opinions, not facts

>>31501729
kek

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Coming back for my second run through
>Direct impingement is a shitty system, but operational. It gets everything dirty as shit inside the chamber of the rifle. When you constantly dump carbon and shit over the internals of your operating system, failures after long use low maintenance runs are inevitable.
>WW2 rifles aren't cool. Handguns are, because they were mostly figured out, but the kinda borderline prototype rifles are far inferior to modern guns.
>Tavors are overpriced garbage

>>31502340
>Can you imagine millenials doing that?


How old are you exactly?

Because I'm pretty sure you fall within the category of "Millenials". And if you don't, all this sounds like is your average Gen X and Boomers talking about how Millenials are garbage and the worst generation etc. when so far we are actually the hardest working, most intelligent, and most educated.

>>31501353
>The AR-15 is the best individual weapon ever designed
>Manual safeties are fine and desirable
>Pistol calibers are good at killing people
>africans aren't human
>Once you get above the $800-900 range of optics, you're wasting your money

>>31507048
I agree with everything except the thing about Africans
I've met some, they're pretty neat people

>>31506130
I agree with everything here except .45 as an effective round. In the early 1900s, I'd agree, but with today's techology there's little difference ballistically besides less than a tenth of an inch in size. Shot placement is the most important thing, if you shoot someone in their heart with a 9mm, it'll kill 'em deader than 5 times through the stomach with a 45. I know someone (anectodal evidence, but still) who had someone on the ground and bleeding out (he died) from two shots with a 9mm. I'd rather have 16 rounds in a 9mm than 12 in a 45.

>>31501353
>Semi auto does an assault rifle make
that's not an opinion, you retard, it's a fact that you're trying your best to ignore

>>31505794
I think he meant that they're not trained to use full-auto in the overwhelming majority of the time.

>>31506705
>expecting weapons from WWII to be relevant in 2016

literally only the M2

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>>31501353
>Glocks are the worst wondernine ever made, the only ones with ambi magazines are the Gen 4's (took them long enough). They malfunction if you hold them improperly and are quite honestly over rated. Yes they function but they are far from the end all be all. They are a 1980's pistol design that has evolved into a meme when it really shouldn't have been.
>The Army should stay with the M9, or rather upgrade to the M9A3 rather than go towards a meme-tier weapon (i.e. Glock). The M9A3 allows you to upgrade a weapons system into making it ready well through the 21'st century without having to re-train troops or waste surplus parts (80 percent commonality with the M9).
>Beretta 92's the best wondernine, ambi mags from the '80's. Will not fail if you hold it improperly. It's bad rap comes from the government using improper ammo (that cracked the frame of a Sig as well as blowing off the slide from a Beretta, which caused Beretta to sue the government and win), and from using a shit coating on magazines and ignoring warnings from Check-Mate about said coating on the magazines.

>>31508191
the m9 feels uncomfortable to me, and whenever I say that I get called a manlet. I'm 6'1 and carry a full size cz 75 every day, but apparently if I don't like beretta a lot I'm a manlet.

I agree completely about glocks, people get mad and have no actual arguments when you deny "perfection"

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Buying an AR-15 is more fruitful and instantly gratifying than making one.

>>31508481
Define fruitful
Instant gratification is not something to seek

>>31508259
try a 92 Vertec or a M9A3, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

As for the M9/92's size I agree it's large but most definitely manageable. I'm 5'9" and it's my CC piece. I also wear a medium glove and it fits me fine.

>>31501353
>>Local cops are a lot more tyrannical than the feds
Without the support, incentives, and power that local law enforcement gets from the feds they wouldn't be shit. The war on drugs was the single greatest force to increase police powers and whittle away at the bill of rights in the history of the nation, and it was declared and funded by the federal government.

Hell, without the feds' civil asset forfeiture sharing program, state laws to reform the blatantly unconstitutional practice would actually be effective. As it is, the cops can just use the federal program if their state tries to control their institutionalized thievery.

>>31504034
Funny that they call them mentally ill despite the fact that they were fighting their own government.

>>31508504
cool, I'll look at it if I ever get the chance
I don't particularly like guns that are "tactical" in that they have rails or are plastic because I prefer them being nice looking and comfortable over giving me a tactical advantage. I think a range near my house rents one though, I'll check it out.

>>31508191
>glocks are le mem XD
>SOF tend to prefer them both on and off duty

Okay, I'm sure some autistic Beretta fanboy on a taiwanese anal porn enthusiast board knows better

>>31506964
The hipster is strong in this one

>>31501658
>Glocks
>best handgun

I don't give a shit how good they are. I'm not buying a gun that looks like a fucking brick.

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The placement of the charging handle on the AR is unergonomic and moronic, and is only saved by the fact that 90+% of all reloads you'd be doing with an AR would be releasing the bolt catch on an open mag rather than pulling the charging handle.

Pistols only exist for one purpose and that's to carry easily during your day-to-day business and magdump any nigger that approaches you. I have never met anyone who has managed to do anything impressive with a handgun. Granted, I haven't met a lot of competition shooters.

Along that topic, you should keep a rifle in your car, and use a shotgun for home defense.

The restrictions on AP handgun ammo and SBRs need to be lifted, and we need to have an active campaign to do so. Suppressors and full-auto will be too hard to lift those restrictions.

>>31501735
>16 gauge shotgun is the best bore size due to it's bore diameter in lead being equitable to an ounce.
Once the gods of autism know that, they will increase its power tenfold.

>>31501353

you're a shitty person who should not be here

>>31501353
>Semi auto does an assault rifle make
instead of being a fag you should write:
>not having fully automatic fire doesn't decrease rifle effectiveness by meaningless amount

Now mine:
>9mm Makarov is better than 9mm Luger and there should be modern double stack pistol for it
>in 99% SD scenarios revolver is better than pistol
>bottlenecked pistol cartridges are only useful as AP rounds
>.45 ACP=smokeless .45 Shofield

>>31508795
name one thing the Glock does aside from being slightly lighter and Glock Beta testing their pistols on their consumers (Gen 4 problems G17M recall).

>>31509019
any reason you prefer 9x18 over 9x19?

>>31509057

>beta testing their pistols on their consumers.
ouch.

>>31503213
The colour yellow hasn't changed since 1970 either.

We need some sort of gun control to some degree

>MUH SECOND AMENDMENT

I get it, and I frankly feel like the NFA laws are complete bullshit nonsense. However, things concerning explosives and destructive devices... I feel like you need to have some sort of training or vetting to own these items.

Yeah, you can always make a bomb on your own recognizance, but why bother if any retard could go to Lowe's and buy a brick of C4?

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>>31502425
>There is no such thing as a visually pleasing bullpup.
niggaaaaa

>>31509524
I think people should be allowed to own explosives but not use them unless their profession calls for it.

>>31506130
>Glock perfection is an oxymoron.
Personal preferences don't change a well engineered product. But neither does a slogan.
>Century Arms is a great company
Agreed. But they do import/make crap now and again.
>Budget guns work well.
Depends on which you're talking about. An SD9VE or TP9SF will work just as well as a handgun worth twice as much, but a jimenez will not.
>Military training sucks.
Teaches literal retards not to shoot one another. That's about it.
>45 is the superior caliber. Too many videos and stories of cops shooting motherfuckers and they keep fighting back. It might be time to step up to the harder round.
Those stories include 45. Pistol rounds suck period full stop.
>Optics are good, but learn to use steel sights first. First time you drop that rifle hard enough, your sight is fucked from an optic.
Quality optics are more durable than many irons at this point. You should know both, but it's much easier to teach newbies on a dot and later move on to irons.
>556 is a functional killing round, but 762x39 is superior
Poodle shooter vs thrown rock.
>Throughout all my time on the range I've never found anyone who's shot better than me
Did you spend ten minutes at one once and never go back? I guarantee every fudd with a durr rifle is better than your ass.
>AK inaccuracy is now a myth.
Not now. Is and always has been.

>>31509566
But you literally CAN

It's just a bureaucratic nightmare with the ATF and an extensive background investigation. Not a check, an INVESTIGATION. Which I feel like is warranted if you want to own an RPG-7, a box of M67's, Claymores, etc.

Still want a noobtube, those things are fucking sick.

>>31508906
>you should keep a rifle in your car
Illegal in most states.
>and use a shotgun for home defense
Why when they're objectively inferior to a carbine?

>>31509606
The trouble is no one actually sells them.

>>31509606
You need to have that stuff without investigation so Rebel armies have at least SOME ordinance against heavy assets (don't expect much though, because they all have thermals and will fuck you up the minute you take a peek at them).

I think the stupidest shit is all the NFA stuff. All these AR pistols, a million variations of AR, when all the average gun nut really wants is the ability to buy a Colt M4A3.

>>31509612
Carbine overpenetrates

>>31509619
>Carbine overpenetrates
Less than buckshot.

>>31509606
>Which I feel

Nobody gives a fuck about your feelings.

>>31509606
>Not a check, an INVESTIGATION
No. Just a check.

>>31501681
>most absurd part of your post is the suggestion class warfare is a real thing
>Bill Oreilly is worth $70 mil.
And he has no class,

1st two are opinions, b8 or not it doesn't matter, but 3rd one is factually untrue.

>>31501474
You're partially correct. An assault rifle is a rifle (duh) firing an intermediate cartridge such as 5.56×45mm NATO or 7.62×39mm, which has select fire function (safe/semi/burst/full retard) and which is most effective at middling distances. Examples include of course the M16 and various AK platform rifles, but also the FNC, various SIG rifles, the L85, and the OG assault rifle, the STG 44. These are different from battle rifles, which fire full-power rifle rounds such as 7.62×54R, .308 or .303 Brit, and may share features such as select fire. Examples include the M1, M14, Lee Enfield, Springfield rifles, and the H&K G3. Both are different from submachine guns, which are automatic weapons firing pistol-caliber rounds such as 9×19mm and .45 auto. This is pretty basic knowledge. Quite frankly, people who know nothing about guns should not be able to legislate them.

>>31509107
It's better for blowback.

>>31501353
>bolt action rifles are more deadly in the hands of an amateur than a semi-automatic rifle
It's true and you know it

>>31501353
I dont like ex leo and militray

>>31501828
Not breaking your fucking collarbone with every shot?

>>31502021
This

>>31502065
This just means that anti-air countermeasures will render planes and drones ineffective and we'll see a greater incidence of EMP countermeasure development and stealth insert vehicles.

There will always be a need for small infiltration squads to kill those piloting bases. Don't underestimate the power of a suprise raid.

>>31502281
You need all out war if you want to recreate grandpa's generation. Like, an attack that literally destroys Los Angeles would actually make millenials want to kill something and grow up

>>31501353
>I hate the idea of owning European guns as an American and think its shameful how much foreign equipment the US military uses

>>31501353
>Actually unpopular opinions thread
UCP is actually pretty good for a wide range of backgrounds

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>>31501353
The original German definition of a Sturmgewehr(Assault rifle) was a automatic rifle with an intermediate cartridge and detachable magazine.
But why should libtards care about facts.

If a .44 Magnum can take out a bear, then it sure as hell can take out a person.

The only reason 9mm caught on is because of this Conceal Carry craze making it the only thing about .22LR that is CC-able.

And speaking of that, CC is really stupid and only serves the purpose of making California rejects more comfortable about what they can't see on you. There's societally no reason people shouldn't be able to OC more powerful and more effective handguns.

OC 'is' standing up for your rights to an extent. You probably shouldn't OC a long-gun unless you just got back from hunting but the idea that we should acquiesce to people who cry when someone calls them a trans-faggot online is retarded.

>>31514345
>The only reason 9mm caught on
is because it was good enough for two god damn world wars and was adopted by basically everyone

Guns were a mistake

>>31515527
Would you use it to stop a bear?

>>31514345
>The only reason 9mm caught on is because of this Conceal Carry craze
someone skipped their history lesson.

>CC is really stupid
it's almost like not having visible gun doesn't make you primary target for criminals.

>OC 'is' standing up for your rights to an extent
>You probably shouldn't OC a long-gun
kek

>>31515583
Are humans bears?
Charging bear have all of it's organs nicely lined up for a shot, so having such a powerful round makes sense.
Charging humans, on the other hand, don't, so most of the energy going to get wasted even with hollow points.

>>31501353
>the 2A being used against local and state level tyranny
Nigger, are you retarded? It was meant for the states themselves and the people who reside in them to have a little help at fighting tyranny at a much larger scale than their neighbor next to them. They meant for it to fight against what they had to deal with. The entire countries army was trying to kill them for wanting to leave, and they fought against them with muskets and pitchforks. Guess what happened? We won. Because we had weapons that were the same or equal value to the attacking party's.

This isn't a thread about actual unpopular opinions. You're literally stating everything that's wrong and saying that its your opinion to be wrong, basically. OP is confirmed a faggot.

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>>31515583
Is the bear flying?

Also are you actually suggesting people drop their carry pistols for .44s solely because it can stop a bear?

>>31515675
I'm saying that the idea that every handgun needs to be small-caliber, small-size, and can git in my pocket is getting on my nerves because the only reason people shy away from bigger handguns is because they're told to never OC.

>>31501353
The federal government will never outright repeal the 2nd amendment and "take guns" because that's what gun-owners use as a shaft canary.

They could conscript us all into a war on Russia or explicitly advertise their death camps on TV while the statsi fuck your wife, but so long as gun ownership remains allowed nobody will actually do anything about it.

>>31501658
>>firearms, especially light, modular modern guns are the reason we can have female troops and are probably one of the best things to happen to when in human history
Women are physically incapable of the same load bearing as men.

>>31515707
>every handgun
Where the fuck have you been looking?
Aside from that, 15+ rounds of 9mm will do you a lot better than 6 of .44 should the need ever arise

Furthermore, have you considered once that compact models exist not because muh liberal tears but because it's a pain in the boipucci to carry around a hunk of metal on your hip on a daily basis?

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AR15s should be banned from civillian use.

However to make it up to the gun companies the U.S. should begin manufacturing Springfield 1903's under the various major gun manufacturers and issue them to all men on their 18th birthday and free marksmanship classes

>>31501474
Has to have full auto or burst and fire intermediate cartridges.

>>31515910
It's a dumb technicality though, soldiers rarely shoot their m4s on full auto, therefore a civillian AR15 is pretty much the same gun other than that capability.

>>31515809
>Aside from that, 15+ rounds of 9mm will do you a lot better than 6 of .44 should the need ever arise
Only because modern firearms training is the equivalent of saying "aim in direction of enemy, then magdump." No one's taught to try and learn their weapon or keep cool and try to actually hit them, just magdump and hope 3 of that 15
+1 makes it in a vital.

>Furthermore, have you considered once that compact models exist not because muh liberal tears but because it's a pain in the boipucci to carry around a hunk of metal on your hip on a daily basis?
No I haven't considered what it's like to be a feminine faggot.

>>31501353
>Actually unpopular opinions thread
>>2nd amendment
I think the 2nd is more about protecting yourself and the state against people that want to act like bandits and riot type things to protect your home and person not the stupid shit most proguns people say about it being for revolutions and tyrants. I really think it's only because of how people acted before and during the revolution and not necessarily the actions of the British ruling class and government structure mistreating anyone it was probably because people didn't trust small town locals billybob and bubba who have a history of being violent jerks to not start a fight with them along with other more or less hostile people that might of lived around.

>>31515872
Well, they'll do the first part and tell you to go off and suck a dick anyway if you're naive enough to think they'd ever do that instead of just blanket banning everything, you statist pigfucker.

>>31512422
maybe so, but a lot of pistols nowadays aren't Blowback. Majority of them are browning action, with a few special snowflakes like the Beretta 92 that are Walther Action.

>>31515978
>no one tries to aim and hit their enemy
>implying carefully aimed shots when faced by overwhelming fire in combat distances is better than achieving fire superiority.
>fudd detected

>>31502066
T. IRS/ATF Agent

>>31518721
My idea is that, since most of pistol usage is magdumping at few metres, having (relatively) high energy rounds is pointless, because it will make follow up shots more difficult.

But rounds like Makarov and .380 don't need locked breech and there is no point of adding unneeded features.

>>31518749
Everyone is just taught to magdump in every situation no matter what, never to actually kill or stop.


Nigger running at your from 20 yards away? Magdump.

Towelhead going full fuckin' auto and not hitting shit? Magdump.

Standoff? Well fuck aiming for the head, just MAGDUMP!

You're the police and you see a random dog taking a piss on the fire hydrant? Better magdump it, then reload and magdump the hydrant just to be sure.

Fuck, I'm surprised that they don't supply our troops with full drum mags for every weapon, or just give every single troop an M249 for how little accuracy matters in the modern firearms world.

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>>31501353
>>31501420
>>31502242
>>31503213
100% bait

>>31515707
Nobody said that.

>>31501353
2a is poorly written

if you need a chart to point out the objects and subjects of your sentence, you are a bad writer and should reformulate your sentences

>>31509606
No it's just a check, recheck and several months waiting for fucking Debbie to get off her ass and start processing the 3 foot stack of forms in her cubical. They can't look any deeper than the higher level NICS checkers.

But fuck you and your right to own a suppressor.

>>31520194
>Fuck, I'm surprised that they don't supply our troops with full drum mags for every weapon,
They might not issue drum mags but a "standard" combat loadout is like 1000 rounds

M16s used to come with 20 round mags instead of 30. I think they only don't use 40 rounders or even drums because they fuck with the handlng of the gun

>>31521110
It's not badly written if you understand grammar. It's just that people like to be grammatical retards when it serves their ideological purposes.

>>31515612
Not him bit I disagree about CC. It would make you a primary target of a criminal looking to steal a gun, mass murder, get into a gun fight.

Situational awareness as well as a good holster can help prevent someone from snagging it off of you. And as for the other two types of criminals your very unlikely to ever encounter them. Much less so than a mugger that would be intimidated by a show of force. Most criminals are cowards.

>>31501735

Shut up grampa

>>31501658
I fucking agree with you in the last point, they want to take the arms of the poor people... Look at europe, most of the gun owners are middle to high class people.

>>31521165
>if you understand grammar.
Literally what sane person would write a sentence in that way though? It reads like something written by someone who had a stroke recently.

>RAH RAH RAH U JUST WANNA GRAB ARE GUNS RAH RAH RAH FUK U CLINTON SUPPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im not saying anything about its rightness as a concept, I'm saying it's just straight up written in a stupid way

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
it's just a non sequitur after "of a free State". the statements don't flow into eachother at all. At the very least it should be something like
>As a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

even the placement of the commas is stupid. 2a literally makes more sense if you remove some of them:
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What shall not be infringed? the well-regulated militia, or the arms? or is it the security of a free state that shouldn't be infringed? the clauses are all fucky. it's bad form.
vs
>A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
much more clear. still some strange arrangement, but "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." is now its own full clause that is much more explicit. The militia thing also didn't need a comma in it and is much clearer without one.

it's also clearly not an issue of the times, since most other amendments are written in ways sensible to modern english-speakers. it's only 2a that has this strange structure. it's very strange.

>>31521231
Thank you for Correcting The Record. 0.02$CAD has been deposited into your account. Have a nice day, fellow supporter. :)

>>31521231
We get it. You hate guns and think they should all be banned. Now back to /r/GunsAre Cool with you!

>>31501353

>universal background checks are fundamentally a good idea, obviously the P2A side would have to compromise with the anti freedom people; take sbrs and sbs' and supressors off the nfa and wE can have universal background check
>AR-15s and glocks are boring generic firearms, everybody has an AR and everybody has a glock
>overly tactical guns are stupid, you don't need an ACOG, a red dot, offset irons, a vertical grip, a bipod for your home defense gat
>getting mad at a sporterized milsurp is silly

>>31521231
What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand, shill?

>>31521311

The "not" part

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>>31520194

>>31521110
>2a is poorly written
No it isn't. It's very clear.

>if you need a chart to point out the objects and subjects of your sentence
Only for retards who don't understand what transposed sentences are.

>>31521231
Strawman.

>>31521231
Can someone please find out where this noguns gun grabber fuckwit works so we can get him fired? THanks

>>31521334
>No it isn't. It's very clear.
apparently not since it has been A Big Debate in the past as to what thing shall not be infringed. Which is the actual subject of the sentence, the well-regulated militia, or the guns?

>inb4 THE RIGHT TO A FREE BREAKFAST
How about
>A well regulated forum, being necessary to the information of a millennial, the right of the people to shitpost, shall not be infringed.

Are shitposts being kept for their own sake, or the sake of the forum without which the shitposts needn't be protected?

Or, better yet, how about I just don't write like a stroke victim and instead type:
>A well regulated forum being necessary to the information of a millennial, the right of the people to shitpost shall not be infringed.
which is much more clear in my intent to declare shitposting to be protected?

>>31521297
>((("universal background checks"))) are a good idea
no they're not. you know what's a good idea?
open up fucking NICS so that anyone can run a background check on anyone. Most private sellers won't sell a firearm without ID+CHL. People who don't ask for ID wouldn't run a background check anyway. The best thing you can do is make it so that private citizens can have a better way of insulating themselves from selling guns to a felon/nut.

>>31521382
>no they're not.
prove him wrong

>>31515965
this
I'm in the military and very pro-fun, and I agree that civilian ARs are assault rifles. I don't understand the autism among the shooting community when it comes to using the term. I guess it sounds scary, and they don't want liberals finding out that they have an ASSAULT weapon, but it's a simple, objective classification of a weapon, like machine gun, carbine, battle rifle, etc

>>31503913
>its old therefore it must be wrong

You know they said the Earth was round in antiquity, I guess they're wrong. The earth must be flat.

Americans are too shitty to own guns. Guns are useful and fun -- they shouldn't be a political statement for every fudd and mallninja who thinks they need to "scare the government" while they pay taxes and lick police boots.

>>31521371

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Translation:
A well armed group of inivuduals, which is necessary to the security and and freedom of the people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms in order to form that group of individuals, shall. T be infringed.

>>31521404
>but it's a simple, objective classification of a weapon,
yes and it requires fully automatic fire, which AR15s do not have

>>31521411
But that opens up the old "Well, you're not part of a militia, 'every able bodied boy' isn't a thing anymore since even before we formed the National Guard, so hand over your guns!!" argument

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>>31509928
I love your post.

>>31521398
>doesn't offer any argument
with universal background checks, they want all firearm purchases, even private, to be processed through an FFL so you can run NICS
this is because ordinary citizens can't run NICS checks
just fucking open NICS to citizens so you can run a check on your purchaser. No one wants to go to an FFL for a private purchase. It's just a scheme to eliminate gun sales the government doesn't know about because private sales don't require a 4473 or an LLE form.
was that so hard?

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>>31521382

Nics background check is a criminal background check.

A universal check hopefully would tell if somebody has taken ssris, has mental illness, etc.

>oh you're not a criminal you can buy this gun

As opposed to

>oh you're taking ssris that are proven to make people disassociative and not understand what they're doing?
No sale.

Pic related

>>31521423
So the service rifle for the marines is not an assault rifle? What is it then?

>>31521411
>A well armed group of inivuduals, which is necessary to the security and and freedom of the people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms in order to form that group of individuals, shall. T be infringed.
But that doesn't grant individuals weapons. At best, it grants the right for municipalities and states to form police departments with armed units.

>>31521441
>So the service rifle for the marines is not an assault rifle?
nigger what don't they use M16s with burst and/or auto modes?

burst still counts as automatic fire btw. automatic just means that more than one round is fired with one pull of the trigger.

>>31509928
>people who know nothing about guns should not be able to legislate them.
after seeing this board and places like arfcom, and talking about guns with american tourists, i'm pretty convinced that most americans do not know very much about guns or how they work at all.

>>31521438
That's fine, I just have a problem with the "everything needs to go through an FFL with paperwork" thing, since it's a barefaced attempt to restrict and track gun sales. Making private sales illegal (what they really want to do) is a completely shit solution, but creating a comprehensive check system that is open to anyone would be excellent. Assuming you keep records of the serials you sold, you could completely insulate yourself from prosecution with a record of the sale and confirmation that you ran the check if your gun was ever used in a crime.
I'll probably piss off some anons with this, but IMO nobody on SSRIs, SNRIs, Benzos, NDMA antagonists, TCAs, or a medical maryjane card should be able to purchase firearms.
The only problem is that it'd likely have to be either a "cleared" or "not" system with no qualifiers because I'm pretty sure using medications as exclusion criteria is a massive violation of HIPAA. I'm a pathologist and even recording the name attached to a case beyond when it's given an accessioning number is a violation, let alone using privileged information in a public background check system.

>>31521465

>>people who know nothing about guns should not be able to legislate them.
after seeing this board and places like arfcom, and talking about guns with american tourists, i'm pretty convinced that most americans do not know very much about guns or how they work at all.

Holy shit this

>at range safety orientation class
>instructor explains how to unload a pistol correctly
>gives somebody in the class a bredduh 92 and snap caps
>guy just racks the slide back and the snap cap ejects and loads a new one
>another volunteer just takes the mag out and puts it on safe

>>31521488
What's wrong with tracking gun sales? Everything else you do is tracked by somebody.

Do you have a credit card? A cell phone? Live anywhere with a highway? You're being tracked constantly by untold numbers of other services, why does it irk you so much to track your gun instead of, say, your car, or your phone, or your suspicious fertilizer purchases through Amazon.jp?

>>31521496
none of those are constitutionally protected rights

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>americans think this is as complex a diy gun can ever get unless you spend decades on every little part

I guess my unpopular opinion is that things like springs and sears and stuff exist and could conceivably be used in a diy'd gun?

slam bangs are fucking stupid.

>>31501353
>look at me I'm such a reasonable gun owner
You poor fool.

>>31521488

Private sales ought to be legal but it would behoove the person selling the firearm to go to local law enforcement and tell them they sold a make and model serial number abcxyz to such and such with driver license number whatever to cover the sellers ass

>>31521511
>what's in the constitution is the only metric for what's right or wrong

boot lickers

americans are all boot lickers

>>31521451

You're forgetting that second clause. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

If you take it to mean that this extends the right of weapon ownership to only state police, then you're claiming that the framers shoved a rule in there limiting individual rights when the 7 others right around it explicitly guarantee individual rights.

You'd also have to ignore how much of a hardon the colonists had for the individual liberty philosophy put forward by Locke to go that route.

>>31521543
who are you quoting

>>31521496
>everything else you do is tracked, thus tracking gun sales is A-OK
>nothing to hide fallacy

I don't like being tracked with anything I do. The reason I especially don't want my firearm purchases tracked versus my phone use or car purchases tracked is because neither cars nor phones are at immediate risk of being banned.

If they were going to ban liquor and wine and the only thing people were going to be allowed to drink was bud light, why would I want them tracking my alcohol purchases?

also, amendment #2

>>31521528
Or just keep records. Assuming they ran a background check and it passed, nobody needs to notify anybody.

>>31521548
>"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
That's not the clause.

It's

>"The right of the people to keep and bear arms"
and
>"shall not be infringed"
as separate clauses, separated by a comma.

Now, what if

WHAT IF

W H A T

I F

we removed that comma?

>>31521543
>boot lickers
supporting the constitution is the opposite of bootlicking you mongoloid
the bill of rights LIMITS the federal government

jesus foreigners can be stupid

>>31521561
>I don't like being tracked with anything I do.
Then why are you posting on the internet? The internet, by nature, tracks everything that you do. It's a necessity for the communications protocols.

>If they were going to ban liquor and wine and the only thing people were going to be allowed to drink was bud light, why would I want them tracking my alcohol purchases?
Have you considered that there's other reasons to track things than to ban them? Azbar tracks what you drink, that doesn't mean it's secretly there to ban everything but Bud Light and Molson Ex.

>>31521575
you're literally saying it's okay for people to violate your privacy if it's not over guns

you are literally incapable of judging right or wrong except by referring to documents written by your long-dead masters

B O O T L I C K E R

>>31521602
nobody ever said that

>>31521451
Both police and the national guard didn't exist at the time of the drafting of the bill of rights.

George Mason said himself that the "militia" is every able-bodied citizen

>>31521586
there's that fallacy again.
Just because other things are being tracked does not justify the federal government tracking more things.

>Azbar tracks what you drink, that doesn't mean it's secretly there to ban everything but Bud Light and Molson Ex.
and it's a PRIVATE company

>>31521602
go stir the shit somewhere else

>>31521231
You're correct that the 2nd amendment has too many commas, but a lot of the constitution is written in a similar manner. You'll see that kind of grammar in a lot of texts from the era, where commas are just used to separate clauses arbitrarily and to represent verbal pauses rather than grammatical separation.

>>31521658
>but a lot of the constitution is written in a similar manner.
I disagree. it's definitely antequated, but I can't think of another amendment that is as wonky and has as many vague clause associations as 2a.

I'm not surprised that so many people itt are FUCKING TRIGGERED by the call to remove two commas, though. it really bewilders me how much yankees treat the constitution more like scripture than like a legal document -- anywhere else in the world, if a legal document had an issue with being understood in pure linguistic terms, it'd be rewritten for clarity.

>where commas are just used to separate clauses arbitrarily and to represent verbal pauses
this didn't occur in law or other technical writings as much. it was (and still is) seen more in fiction novels and plays where they are there for the benefit of diaogue, but this sort of thing isn't seen in law, scientific papers, philosophy, technical manuals, etc.

>>31501353
I actually like the traps that pop up every now and then, tripfag or otherwise

>>31501353
>>>/pol/

>>31521777
> I can't think of another amendment that is as wonky and has as many vague clause associations as 2a

I don't think it's vague. It's bad stylistically but not vague.

>this didn't occur in law or other technical writings as much

If you've read the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and other documents from the founding fathers you would know that none of them are written in precise, technical language.

>>31521813
>I don't think it's vague.
I think it's vague. the only reason I know what it means is the politics around it. If I had come from some other planet and didn't know what it was, I'd probably have to ask someone which other clause from "shall not be infringed" is the subject and actually shall not be infringed.

>If you've read the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and other documents from the founding fathers you would know that none of them are written in precise, technical language.
exactly my point. the rest of those documents are fairly precise and technical while still being easy to read. then you have 2a in all its flowery blaze of unclear links between clauses and weasel wording. it's a very bizarre departure from an otherwise cut and dry document

Bowling for Columbine brings up some interesting points

>>31521850
even if you disagree with him, Michael Moore is a pretty good filmmaker and his documentaries (and tv series) are a lot of fun, whether you agree or disagree with any individual points made

>>31501697
I made an account just to call you a fucking idiot for this.

They didn't 'rename' the MP40, they developed the STG44.

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shooting games are usually more fun when they don't try to be realistic

chimping out about proper rendering of guns in vidya and movies is for autists who are missing the point

the combat shotgun in fallout 3 is really cool

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>>31521870
10 seconds on bing leading you to wikipedia anyway:
>Adolf Hitler eventually discovered the designation deception and halted the program again. In March 1943, he permitted it to recommence for evaluation purposes only. Running for six months until September 1943, the evaluation produced positive results, and Hitler allowed the MP 43 program to continue in order to make mass production possible. The first MP 43s were distributed to the Waffen-SS; in October 1943, some were issued to the 93rd Infantry Division on the Eastern Front. Production and distribution continued to different units. In April 1944, Hitler took some interest in the weapon tests and ordered the weapon (with some minor updates) to be re-designated as the MP 44. In July 1944, at a meeting of the various army heads about the Eastern Front, when Hitler asked what they needed, a general exclaimed, "More of these new rifles!". The exclamation caused some confusion (Hitler's response is reputed to have been "What new rifle?"), but once Hitler saw the MP 44 being demonstrated, he was impressed and gave it the title Sturmgewehr. Seeing the possibility of a propaganda gain, the rifle was again renamed as the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44), to highlight the new class of weapon it represented. The designation translates to "Storm (Assault) rifle, model 1944", thereby introducing the term "assault rifle".

yfw hitler literally invented the assault rifle and the StG44 would have been designated as just another SMG if hitler hadn't had a fanboy freak-out out in a meeting over it

>>31521837
>exactly my point

I said that none of them were written in precise, technical language. NONE of them. Can you even read?

>I think it's vague. the only reason I know what it means is the politics around it. But the fact that the first half of the second amendment is a prefatory clause is incontestable. The fact that historically prefatory clauses can only serve to clear up ambiguity (a dumb example: The prefatory clause in the 2nd amendment makes it clear that arms do not refer to a human's arms.) and are otherwise irrelevant to the interpretation of a law.

Of course to know what the second amendment means you need the linguistic and political context of the era. This is true of all legal documents to some extent.

>>31508888
This is true, and why I prefer side-charging.
I once had someone on here you could charge an AR while in a cheek weld tho and that was funny.

>>31521898
Sorry, I fucked up the formatting of part of that post. Should be:

>I think it's vague. the only reason I know what it means is the politics around it.

Of course to know what the second amendment means you need the linguistic and political context of the era. This is true of all legal documents to some extent. But the fact that the first half of the second amendment is a prefatory clause is incontestable. The fact that historically prefatory clauses can only serve to clear up ambiguity (a dumb example: The prefatory clause in the 2nd amendment makes it clear that arms do not refer to a human's arms.) and are otherwise irrelevant to the interpretation of a law

>>31501353
Nice bait faggot pat yourself on the back and go fellate a berreta

>>31521898
>NONE of them.
sorry I missed that word, jeez

I disagree with you. most of it is written in a pretty dry and clear way. 2a is oddly vague and has a million commas in it for no reason. it's weird and would be improved by literally just removing two commas from it

>>31508888
IAWTP and I don't know why yankees defend it so hard

it's fucking stupid. I want to be able to charge my gun while in a comfortable position. there's pretty much no way to charge an AR that won't hurt your wrist after a while without switching your hands around.

>>31501735
gauge is a shit measurement because how ya gonna make a perfect ball of lead correlating to a weight without knowing the diameter of the ball? why not just use diameter in the first place ffs

>>31501353
Learn your history mate, Fighting was against British government, not local. Now look on the map and point out where America and England are located.

>>31521110
The FF were the most articulate men of their time. Aging grammar does not make it bad grammar.

>>31508888
>90+% of all reloads you'd be doing with an AR would be releasing the bolt catch on an open mag
except 90+% of users forget the bolt catch exists, or don't know how to operate it

t. canadian reserve navy, i am yet to see even a single arms refresher where someone didn't have to be reminded that the bolt catch exists

and even the bolt catch kinda sucks. I feel it's mounted too high. maybe my hands are just small but it's a bit of a reach to insert a magazine and hit the catch in one motion.

>>31521962
>Learn your history mate,
learn yours, most of the british forces trying to retake/conquor/fuck with the US were coming through upper canada, and were effectively just british-sent proto-canadians

the eternal anglo strikes again

>>31521964
age doesn't make things good, either. it's bad grammar. and they weren't the most eloquent people of their time, there were plenty of actual philosophers writing during those times who managed to communicate much more complex thoughts in much clearer and more concise forms. your precious Locke, for example

>>31521982
>because it reads poorly today, it read poorly back then too
God help you should you ever try to read Shakespeare or anything older.

>>31521999
>it read poorly back then too
it probably did
>Shakespeare
shakespeare was just very popular, not particularly good. and he was trying to ape even older english than what was contemporary at the time, because his plays were set before his own time

there's a reason his stuff is considered high school level today. it's not exactly complex or hard to read. it just has a lot of "ye"s and "thou"s in it.

>>31521371
>Which is the actual subject of the sentence, the well-regulated militia, or the guns?
Stupid question, because the sentence would not make any sense in English if "a well-regulated militia" were the subject.

>>31522023
>probably

If you don't realize what is wrong with this word, and your argument with it, you're beyond help, m9

>>31521939
>sorry I missed that word, jeez

It's a lot more than missing one word. My sentence wouldn't make sense with simply the omission of the word "none." At a minimum you would have to exchange "none of them" for "they."

Even then, rhetorically my sentence and its tone would not make sense if you made this misreading. The "If you read x you would know y" format is slightly condescending and is definitely intended to be a rebuttal of the text I was quoting above it. Even if you miss this subtlety you should understand that rhetorically when affirming a quote most would prefix it with something like "I agree" before writing why they agree.

So this would have been reasonable rhetorically:

>>this didn't occur in law or other technical writings as much

>I agree, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and other documents from the founding fathers are generally written in precise, technical language.

This is tonally inappropriate and if I read this I would think I had read it wrong. Once I read it again and confirmed it I would think the writer was drunk or illiterate. :

>>this didn't occur in law or other technical writings as much

>If you've read the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and other documents from the founding fathers you would know that they are written in precise, technical language.

So, to conclude, I can only surmise that English is not your first language or that you are otherwise illiterate or unskilled in rhetoric. Laws were never meant for common, uneducated people to read and interpret, so I cannot see why you think your judgement regarding vagueness and grammar with respect to the 2nd amendment and the rest of the Constitution is valid.

>>31522071
Are you autistic

>>31522092
Nice retort.

>>31522104
No, seriously. are you autistic? you wrote all that out because someone misread your post

>>31522116
No, if it was simply a misreading I wouldn't bother to write it out. Also that's not much at all for a skilled writer and typist. I'm attacking the fact that someone who doesn't understand basic grammar and rhetoric has the gall to act like they understand the Constitution and its writing style.

>>31522135
I'm pretty sure you're just autistic, m8. You wouldn't be having this much of a chimp-out over someone misreading your post, and certainly wouldn't latch onto that instead of the actual argument about clauses having unclear links to eachother

>>31522152
You don't understand enough about English or linguistics to have a reasonable argument regarding that topic. So I'm attacking your personal understanding instead of your argument, since trying to argue about linguistics with someone who's illiterate won't go anywhere. Arguing about linguistics with you would like be arguing with a gun-grabber about civilians owning baby killing super deadly high-powered assault rifles. Except educating someone about guns is a lot easier and faster than educating someone about linguistics. If I complain about a member of Congress introducing assault weapons legislation without knowing what a barrel shroud is then that's a totally valid attack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U).

You shouldn't complain about personal attacks and then call me "autistic" and complain about my "chimp-out" in the same post.

>>31522023

> Shakespeare was just very popular, not particularly good.

Don't you tire of being a contrarian, anon?

>>31501658
>probably one of the best things to happen to when in human history
what did he mean by this

>>31501648
If the law is unjust, it is the duty of every able bodied citizen to resist.

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>>31501353
I'm really late, but

>The best bullpup rifle is pic related but its cancellation is unforgivable
>AK74>mostf modern rifles Nato uses
>Russian military per gapita could be as good as ours if they weren't corrupt as shit
>God Emperor Trump will make gun culture great again
>NRA is one of, if not the, best 2nd Am advocacy groups
>"Hey everyone, it's Alex C. with TFB TV"

>>31515872
>AR15s should be banned from civillian use

>$0.37 has been deposited to your account. Thank you for your suppoert for the "Correct the Record" Campaign

>>31502425
see>>31522371

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>>31515872
>AR15s should be banned from civillian use.
this but only because theyre a meme rifle and im salty that they're so prolific for literally no good reason and are usually complete unfireable abominations (and the only ones that aren't are unrecognizable as ARs anymore, having had their uppers and bolts replaced with side-charging ones using bufferless designs, and everything foward of the ejection port being slathered in 9001 rails and 9002 different devices no one needs)

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>>31521451
>>A well armed group of inivuduals, which is necessary to the security and and freedom of the people, the right of the people to keep and bear arms in order to form that group of individuals, shall. T be infringed.

Let me tell you why that's bullshit. When "People" is used within the Constitution or Bill of Rights, it refers to the citizenry rather than the State. To understand why, you need to look at the wording of the 10th Amendment.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

There is a clear distinction there between the states and the people. Because of this, we have to assume that "people" in the context of the Second Amendment is referring to the citizenry.

>>31521870
>made an account
>on 4chan
>wew

>>31522514
>There is a clear distinction there between the states and the people. Because of this, we have to assume that "people" in the context of the Second Amendment is referring to the citizenry.
That's not the problem. The problem is that "shall not be infringed" is its own clause, and because there are two clauses before it that are both equally able of being the subject of the sentence, it's unclear whether it's the well-regulated militia, or the right of the people to bear arms.

It could just as easily be
>A well regulated Militia ... shall not be infringed.
as otherwise.

It also makes the people's right to bear arms predicated on the existence of the militia -- without the militia taking care of the security of the state, why continue letting the people have arms? There's police and the national guard now, so the spirit of 2a is still satisfied by having the police and national guard (who are still composed of people) be armed but normal private citizens not be.

Both those arguments have been used by LE GUN GRABBER'S in the past.

The elimination of just two commas from 2a would clear up these issues and make it a lot tighter.

>>31522548
>The elimination of just two commas from 2a would clear up these issues and make it a lot tighter.

I agree with you there, but I disagree that having police and national guard entirely satisfies the spirit of the amendment. Yes, they wanted an armed militia to protect the state, but the arms had to be in the control of individual citizens rather than an organized government body. If you look at the writings of the founding fathers, including their work on various state constitutions that have no mention of a militia and yet still guarantee a right to bear arms, there is no doubt that the amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to bear arms, regardless of the sentence structure or awkward commas. Besides that, the fact that the supreme court has weighed in and ruled that it guarantees an individual's right to bear arms makes all this debating moot to begin with.

>>31522612
>but I disagree that having police and national guard entirely satisfies the spirit of the amendment.
so do I but I'm saying there's a problem with 2a if it can be construed that way, which it can be, and has been in the past.

it just needs some errata, is all

If you have a barrel less than 20" on a 5.56 rifle you have a completely worthless gun.

>>31501353
>Municipal and state governments, not federal
It's exactly the fucking opposite you mong.
Don't like the municipality? Move.
Don't like the state? Move.
That's called voting with your feet.
Don't like the country? Overthrow.

>>31515978
>I've never carried: The Post

>>31522352
if a law is unjust, you petition for it to be changed, using the legal methods put in place for that purpose
even considering armed opposition as anything but a last case scenario option is so pants on head retarded I'm not surprised it's common in the South

>>31520128
I'd still take the added power of the 9mm, it's not much but the .380 is especially anemic in comparison. Not to mention 9mm Luger hollowpoints are perfect for self defense purposes

>>31520194
>implying that within 100 yards for a rifle (7 for a pistol) aimed fire makes sense.

It's been proven time and time again that the best way to win a firefight is

1) Seek cover
2) Achieve Fire superiority

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>>31501353

>>31520194
>Fuck, I'm surprised that they don't supply our troops with full drum mags for every weapon, or just give every single troop an M249 for how little accuracy matters in the modern firearms world.

You're right
Based on your posts, every troop should be instead equipped with a Deagle Brand™ Desert Deagle and a Barret M82A1 because the words "too heavy" are for feminine faggots and doing anything put putting a single, well placed shot on target with an unnecessarily large caliber is magdumping like a jungle monkey asphalt chimpanzee concrete simian motherfucking nigger

>>31522714

> Advocating barrels shorter than 24"

You're not a fudd, anon. You're not a fudd at all.

>>31523654
Why would I want to be a fudd? I don't enjoy praising shitty outdated guns and pretending .223 will blow up derrs.

The military is made up of welfare queens.

All services of the state should be privitised.

>>31523673

Oh, sorry. When you implied that 16" barrels somehow rendered .223 cartridges inert I thought you were shit posting old fudd lore.

>>31523977
Not at all inert, just not optimal. Had to spice it up a bit in hopes of the (you)'s.

>>31501353

I think that American equipment, with a few exceptions, is really fucking bland

>>31524052
>muh nugget is the ultimate firearm

>>31522474
>9000 devices no one needs
Aside from the bayonet, there are only two other attachments on that rifle and both have been proven to provide tactical advantages, hence why militaries around the world not only use those attachments but enjoy having rails on their weapons systems.

>>31521872
Speak for ypurself. After playing a ton of Red Orchestra it's hard for me to go back to the pop-guns of Call of Duty.

Though I agree that we games that make weapons feel powerful without being realistic.

Vaporizing an enemy with a SPAS-12 anyone?