/aus/ general shooters union or ssaa? hunting or target shooting?

>>31486827
Neither
Hunting
No

How do you convince your mates to get their A&B license? everyone's so apathetic today.

neither
target
no

>>31486890
glass em

>>31486890
Tell them it's unaustralian to not have it.

>>31486845
>>31486915
>neither

What do you guys have instead?

>>31486827
SSAA (for the $25k insurance - I look at it as ~$100p/a insurance with a free magazine. Priced insurance myself and they wanted ~$400 for the same)

The A&B is on DNRE/DSE $13 crown land hunting registration.

No shooters union in vic.

Yes cat H through a Melbourne club (not ssaa). Class 2 & 3, no air pistols. Three classes = more participation than I can be fucked with.

Interested in FOUs three gun.

>>31486975
>Interested in FOUs three gun.
W-will we get AR-15s?

Does NSW still have the ammo registry?

>>31486890
One of my mates who used to be anti-gun just up and got his a/b on his own and bought a .22 - just "figured out he should have one" on his own.

Another mate has been told he can't have a gun in his own house that he invited his gf to move into with him. Don't think she'll even "let him" have the license. Fucking pathetic if you ask me.

I once was banging this qt and out at drinks the gun thing came up. She said if we were ever together together, I couldn't have any guns in our house. I said "best I can do is you not knowing, and never seeing said gun - but there's zero chance of me not having a gun in my own house." - it didn't work out. She lives in England now #irony nobody she dates there will have a gun, and she just got mugged by two upstanding gents on a motorcycle #gunfreeparadise

>>31486981
Haha, no. But an ausfag handicap version might allow for pump rifles and adler, if we're allowed to keep them post NFA

>>31487016
>NFA
it's always darkest before dawn

>>31487023
I know, and it may all be worse in anticipation than it is in fact, but it's not looking too positive right now

>>31487080
You've got to remember that we're winning.
We've pushed back every attempt they've had in the last few years, and even managed to get a few things of our own through.
Gun owners in general are also getting much more vocal, and general public perception is shifting back towards gun rights.

Just because the media shills it constantly doesn't mean that's what people actually believe.
Look at the US presidential debate. Every media source loudly proclaiming that Clinton won, when every poll suggests the opposite.

>>31487009
I've told my girlfriend in very clear terms that if she ever says "It's me or the ____", then I'm taking the ____.

Especially when it comes to guns.

>>31487117
I feel like there's more than we could be doing. I'm optimistic about the future, but it's going to take a while to get there.

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>>31486827
SSAA - My IPSC club demands that I subscribe
Both
GLOCKS OUT FOR HARAMBE

If the NFA changes try and force me to turn my guns in, ima go innawoods and oper8

>>31487009
>>>31486890
>One of my mates who used to be anti-gun just up and got his a/b on his own and bought a .22 - just "figured out he should have one" on his own.
Based

>Another mate has been told he can't have a gun in his own house that he invited his gf to move into with him. Don't think she'll even "let him" have the license. Fucking pathetic if you ask me.
Wew, is this real life?

Applying for a cat A/B license, do they check medical history?

>>31487256
Mental medical? I think ur only in trouble if u were involuntarily committed.

>>31487256
Don't think so

>>31487256
They ask for it, but they don't check.

If you have had any problems and want to be honest, just get a note from your doctor and you'll be fine.

>tfw ur club doesn't have facilities for 45acp

What requirements does a club need to support 45?

>>31487318
Metallic silhouette.

>>31487401
Is that possible indoors?

>>31487411
Nah, it's all really long-range stuff.

11.43mm clown caliber is just a meme anyway.

Whats the verdict on cosmetic modifications to handguns. Specifically, can I buy a beretta and make it look as close as possible to the robocop gun?

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post your adlers

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>>31487426
go for it

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Reeroo

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one day m8s

one day

Can FOU open a gun range please please please please please please please.

I'm gettin real sick of SSAA fudd bs and dont know anyone with a farm to shoot on.

>>31487467
It's being worked on. Unfortunately a slow process.

There are several non SSAA options if you really want. Where you at cob?

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happening status: ITS

>>31487469
South east Queensland, the non ssaa ranges are a bit of a drive.
Thats awesome, hope it all goes smoothly for you.

>>31486981
When politicians don't lie.

>>31487009
>she just got mugged by two upstanding gents on a motorcycle

Its things like this that have me feeling extremely smug.

Still though, if the same thing happened to you in Ausland, what could you do to stop it? Isn't conceal carry illegal over there or am I just a dummy burger?

>>31487474
There will be future projects happening in qld. If you ever wanna help out, just send us an email, or hit us up on fb

>>31487482
>Isn't conceal carry illegal
it's legal if you're rich. IIRC Kerry Packer had one.

CiT guards can open carry. You can protect big bags of money someone else's money but not your own life. Really makes you think.

>>31487500
The self defence laws in this country are ridiculous.
>violence is violence
>youre just as bad as they are if you retaliate
>wtf I made stuff more illegal? why didnt crime go down
>oh well, time to make it illegaler

>>31487500
>>31487513

>No 28 of 2003—Criminal Law Consolidation (Self Defence) Amendment Act 2003 [7] In July 2003, the Rann Government (SA) introduced laws allowing householders to use "whatever force they deem necessary" when confronted with a home invader. Householders who kill or injure a home invader escape prosecution provided they can prove they had a genuine belief that it was necessary to do so to protect themselves or their family. The law was strongly opposed by then-Director of Public Prosecutions Paul Rofe, QC, and lawyer Marie Shaw, who is now a District Court Judge.

welp

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>>31487440
Got it 2 weeks ago, fed a few boxes of #4 through it the other day at the farm. Action has smoothed out considerably since then.

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>>31487560
You aussies have some fine taste. That's a purdy firearm.

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Reminder that the latest inquest into gun violence (initiated by the greens to get more ammunition to ban shit in 2015) resulted in the suggestion of the deregulation of long-arms (like Canada and New Zealand).

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Legal_and_Constitutional_Affairs/Illicit_firearms/Report

If you read any of it, read the recommendations at the start, and possible the international comparisons towards the end.

>>31487583
Pretty interesting, doubt it'll lead to anything substantial.

>>31487583
>suggestion of the deregulation of long-arms
fingers cost

I've heard it costs millions a year. And the NSW registry got breached a while ago.

>>31486926
Until FOU becomes a legit reason F&G with SU for sport

>>31487596
Its lead to no new bans
Such is life in Australia

>>31486981
Pistol based carbine may be an option over the obvious 7615's

That basically means 2 cat H's and a cat A shotgun

>>31487609
Hey, I guess a victory is a victory.

Does your regular Australian noguns have strong feelings one way or the other on firearms? Seems to me that over here in burgerland, you're either fervently FOR or AGAINST firearms.

>>31487619
It's anecdotal but most people I've talked to are interested, or pro gun to some degree.

>>31487619
Aussie poor nogunz in SE QLD here.

Technically American by birth, I dream of the day it won't cost half a fucking fortune and require a friggin circus to own decent firearms.

Even if only to pracitce maintenance and appreciate craftmanship, I sorely want the gun laws to improve/slacken appropriately.

The olny gun I've shot was a .357 magnum on a range at 14 years old. I long for the day I can own my own firearm.

>>31487619
>>31487633
Really? I've found the opposite. Most people just are under the assumption that we've all accepted that guns are bad and people defend our gun laws religiously.

>>31487643
If you're american by birth just move there...

>>31487649
>poor

>>31487644
I grew up in a hicktown so maybe that's why

>>31486827
Ssaa are useless and corrupt. I doubt the shooters union could be any worse

>>31487619
The media likes to use scare tactics, but I don't think I've ever met someone against having guns. Not that I interact with a lot of other people though.

Growing up in the city all the men in and around my family had guns, and then we moved to a country town where they were pretty much considered a way of life.

>>31486827
Queenslander here. i moniter /k/ often and i really want a gun. I hear the .22s bullets are cheap as dick and you can shoot it all day.
>Does anyone recommend really nice .22s
>Or if there are any really nice snipers to look into?
cheers cunts

SSAA
Both
Nope.

I got the SSAA thing when I first got my license but I usually just shoot on the farm.

Who else is from the ACT?

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>>31487704
CZ455 is normally the go
If you're Feeling patriotic you can go with the Lithgow LA101 Crossover which is basically an Australian CZ.

>Nice snipers
If you mean something actually used by military and police (like shown in pic) it's gonna cost you lods of emone, if you just mean a rifle for long range shooting there are plenty of moderately priced options. Since you're in QLD you are able to buy the Ruger Precision rifle.

>>31487705
I'm in Queanbeyan, noguns though.

>Was gonna go for my licence once I moved, but it's been six months, eh

>>31487691
I've had a few people cut contact with me for being just having pictures of guns on facebook. I live in WA state and don't know a single person who doesn't flat out despise guns.

>>31487738
>I've had a few people cut contact with me for being just having pictures of guns on facebook
When I get my first handgun I'm planning to post a picture on Facebook.
Might trigger a few people, might interest a few more.

>>31487723
Fuck yeah the CZ 455 and Lithgow LA101 look sick. is there much difference between them?

Also is it true that .22 bullets are cheap so you can sit there for a good hour just taking shot after shot?
Cheers for the rifle tips they are exactly what i want.

>>31487738
>>31487744

On that same note, you wouldn't believe how hard it was to convince my housemates to let me have guns in the house. Offered to take them shooting, they accepted, and it never really materialized.

>>31487753
Why would you need to convince them?
Just install a safe when they're not home.

Or just don't fall for the share housing meme.

>>31487759
Its a breach of trust in my opinion. If I just walked out of my room with a rifle-sized hardbag every other day and came home smelling of gunpowder, they would be suspicious. So I decided to just be like:

>I have guns, I'm keeping them
>but anon we barely know you

Had the landlord, whom I know personally, vouch for me.

>Or just don't fall for the share housing meme.

$350 a month with utilities paid for is a very hard deal to pass up.

>>31486827
SSAA
Both
Yes

>>31486924
Wouldn't it be more Australian not to have it?

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>>31487800

>>31487619
The people I interact with are fairly lefty so if you mention being for guns people grill the shit out of you. Everyone just assumes you believe in our 'common sense' gun laws.

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>>31487800
delete this

(different anon)

>>31487723
If the RPR ever comes into stock.

>>31487748
I have the LA102 in 308 and it is a sexy beast.

>>31487822
He probably had the barrel poured with cement right after that photo was taken.

>>31487820
I legit have plenty of gun statistics and firearm-use facts memorized from having to look up and repeat them so many times. Very rarely do I come across a liberal who is well-read on the topic, so I enjoy the grill sesh.

When it comes to libs who have researched the topic and made up their minds that "gunz r bad", they tend to be smart enough to agree to disagree or avoid arguing at all.

Quite frankly, the facts are on our side. No reason to be afraid, which is why I told my housemates about my guns. I'm not going to let someone tell me that the thing I like is wrong when its not.

>>31487777
Wish I could move in with you

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>>31487843
Maybe someday, space cowboy

>>31487820
Point them to this >>31487583

>>31487619
Generally city people have eaten too many of the 'scary green pills' and are vehemently against guns, out in the rural areas no one gives a shit because they're a tool much like a ute or tractor.
You get a couple of pockets of pro-guns in the city here and there, almost universally they're ex-country types or grew up around them. Biggest problem we have in the country though is the larger parties don't want us- Nats sold us down the river years ago and don't have any actual representation because they're in bed with the Libs, the Greens hate country people, the Dems fucked off years ago and no one wants Labor back in again.

I'm optimistic the smaller parties can keep the greenies from the gun safe for a little bit, but for actual long term development in our favour we really need some kind of larger support.
To some extent, having a licence does help.
You're a representative in that way by appearing as a statistic and lets face it, regular aussie gun owners don't show up on criminal records to the point it'd be a real anomaly if one did. Well, except when some criminal scumbag decides to nick them.

>>31487910

>regular aussie gun owners don't show up on criminal records to the point it'd be a real anomaly if one did

From what I've read, gun crimes in Melbourne have doubled in the past 5 years. Is most of that actually from illegal gun use then?

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>>31487920
I'm retarded, I meant illegal gun ownership.

>>31487920
LAFOs by definition don't commit crimes.

>>31487920
I've done a bit of looking at it in regards to the Sydney shootings over the last few years and they're universally some kind of gang or drug related shenanigans. Those people already went the full fucking idiot route and have nothing to do with legit gun owners- they buy them through black market sources or from thefts.
That's an important thing to note when you're talking to people is, that the criminals have nothing to do with legal gun owners and already consider themselves outside the law.

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>>31487920
I'm not a numbers guy, but I'm willing to wager most are done with illegal, unregistered or stolen firearms.

then again, how many gun crimes are there compared to gun owners?

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/2378608/how-many-guns-are-registered-in-your-postcode/

(don't know what the heck is going on in collingwood)

>>31487467
SSAA guys have to be fudd as hell at the ranges because they have the cops breathing down their neck 24/7. The cops get random calls about people complaining about the ranges hoping to get them shut down.

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>>31487935
>>31487942
I'm so sorry guys. I wish anti-gun sentiment wasn't so strong. Even here in the US, we're starting to take the (slow) path to gun confiscations.

Here, have an external hammer break action. Its the least I can do.

>>31487959
Gun rights are winning in both countries.
It just started a few decades earlier in America.

>>31487950
>(don't know what the heck is going on in collingwood)
Probably a few security companies based there, nice central location.

>>31487959
Didn't you just get another state to allow CC?

you've got it easy, comparatively

>>31487963
>gun rights are winning in America

Source pls. California is looking to be the model that Democrats wish to follow, despite high crime rates. They've already flat out banned high cap magazines, including the ones protected from the earlier ban.

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>>31487979

>>31487619
had a friend taking a double degree in law and politics he'll probably enter the liberal party one day with how much he supports them. he didn't even realize guns were still legal, he thinks they are literally(metaphorically) the devil. i have little hope for the future.

>>31487979
Be nice if you could kick Cali out of the union and induct Australia (or at least part of it)

>>31487959
Ours wasn't slow. It was literally overnight, we woke up one morning and found out the government had just put the hammer down on pretty much everything from nanna's .22 in the cupboard to machinegun collectors.
Lot of people think laws make things slower- they don't if it comes right from the top and there's enough 'noisy support' to keep it in the media as being 'good for you'

>>31487748
Yes .22 is 500 bullets for $50.

Shooting rabbits with them is even more fun than targets.

>>31487986
I stand corrected. I guess I ate the media's cake too.

>>31487993
Didn't imply that yours was slow, meant to imply that ours is slow.

>>31487988
Bring the vegemite

>>31487744
You also might get some druggy friend of a friend spot it and tell his biker mates where some cunt who owns a handgun lives.

Don't do it.

>>31487995
>tfw had to say goodbye to my .22 in `96

>mfw had to shoot rabbits with the.44 magnum it got replaced with

Where can you get cheap 9mm in Vic?

The (((SSAA))) are charging me $30 for 50 rounds of reloads if I bring all of the brass back.
I know that's completely fucked, but I'm not sure of anywhere better.

Should I just buy factory ammo and save all of the brass for when I have a reloading bench, or is there something cheaper?

>>31488009
This

To be a faggot and quote a videogame, "The unseen blade is the deadliest".

>>31487986
this makes me hard

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>>31487986
>when the final red state disappears

>>31488027
Same think Hillary will be laughing at come November :^)

>>31488017
>semi auto 22 pistols are fine
>semi auto 22 rifles require cat H and are unattainable without primary producer permits

wtf

Cat H should just become semi auto category, I could live with that. You can own an AR15 but you gotta do 6 months wait and shit. It's BS but it'd be better than now.

>>31488030
>>>/pol/

>>31488032
require cat C*

>>31488032
All we need to do is find out a way to get a 5.56 "handgun" approved.

Warwick's already tried to get an AR approved as Cat H, but the Vic police chief basically just told them "yea nah get fucked".

If we can get something past them, we'll have all the "rifles" we want.

>>31488046
well i mean you can take a ruger charger and use a kit to make it a ruger 10/22 or some ar15 looking thing

or you can take a glock and use an sbr conversion stock.

the law is so arbitrary, i hope the warwick guys get something through though. wish lithgow gave a damn and tried to lobby to sell their augs to the aus public, i mean they sell them in fucking america and NZ.

>>31488032
Looking for logic in the rules is just going to cause you grief, I fear.

For example, said .44 magnum is a lever action, holds 10+1. Very modest barrel length. and folks cry about how someone might illegally modify their adler.

>>31488046
There are some. There's a handful of Leader T2s that are cat H and even a AUG Para in 9mm, I'm sure there's some more 5.56 semis out there.
The problem is importing them as a cat H, it's basically impossible. You have to find them in the country.

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>>31488032
Basically we need to 'accessorise!'
I guess you could get a carbine kit for a Glock but that's toeing around some pretty fuzzy legalities in most states.

A modern C96 would rock though... I could be Han Solo of the outback

>>31488066
Yeah, that's the idea.
It's already legal to put a stock on a handgun, we just need to get a 5.56 handgun registered.

>>31488082
>but that's toeing around some pretty fuzzy legalities in most states
Completely legal everywhere except NSW.

You can get them for a bunch of different brands, too. Even stuff like SP-01s.

>>31488074
this, the border jews are the worst of the lot. 30 round 22 mags are legal, but you can't import them. why the fuck not? who knows. There's loads of shit banned just cause it looks mean because of the border cucks.

>>31488089
>everywhere except NSW.
Just my bloody luck eh.

>>31488099
hey at least you get a chance at owning a suppressor

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>>31488082
i always wanted a 308 pistol just for coolness factor in the c96 style but with a shorter mag. might blow my hand off tho.

Are rapid/hellfire triggers legal in aus?

>>31488105
Yeah I've sort of thought about it on my 'evil black' guns for roo, goat and pig culling, but really just can't be fucked with more paperwork, more costs and stuffing around. Well, more than I already deal with.
Sort of thought about it on something like a .22 for bun bun removal, but that's not really a priority at the moment.

If I get my Category H, does that pretty much automatically give me A & B too?

>>31488130
no, it's a separate safety course you'll have to do. but most of the licensing work should be done and the permit for A&B can be added to your license.

>>31488130
no

>>31488130
Oh hell no, you need an alphabet of licences.

>>31488082
>cant believe i never realised it looks like han solos pistol
where have i gone wrong?

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I already Fudds and Fisher and LDP, are there, any other pro-fun parties to throw my lot in with?

>>31488156
you uhhh, might wanna go check out the imfdb page for star wars, anon

>>31488179
Those two are the only noteworthy ones, gotta look at the AEC results to see which are worthwhile, then vote for the highest one.

With these microparties, it's important to vote the most popular first, because it means they can get over the threshold and get money from the government for each vote.

>>31487738
Mate WA is up shit creek without a fuckin paddle.
Where abouts are you mate?

>>31487417
Ree I want a .45 1911 and .44 deagle

>>31488441
One of the local clubs I've moved near has the facilities for it, So I might finally realise my dream of owning my own .45 USP Match.

They're like a dream to shoot, and one of the best looking modern pistols in my eyes.

Ruger gunsite scout in 223? Y/n?
Things I'm looking for in a gun.
>223, 10 shot mag, iron sights, looks cool.

>>31488620
only complaints going around seem to be about the weight and price, but those are both subjective issues.

Got irons, rails and space for ring mounts. Assuming you're a decent shot, .223 is enough to put down anything that's not some kind of bovine or a freak boar.

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>>31487920

Gotta remember that a lot of the illegal "firearms" consist of home-made single shot garbage like pic related. Most are little more than a pipe with a spring.

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>>31488903
How do criminals make those guns when its illegal to do so?

>>31489016

If you're implying that the legislation doesn't work for its intended purpose, you're forgetting that no cunt is going to use one of these to go on a rampage.

>>31489234
Mass shootings wasn't the implication. It seems to be a specifically American thing anyways, considering that getting guns in some other countries isn't really that difficult (see Canada). The implication I was making is that criminals have a tendency to not follow the law.

American politics is a whole different breed, friend. Best not compare our gun cultures and instead revel in the fact that we can all appreciate guns for what they are.

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>>31487979
>tfw you can just stamp ".50 Beowulf" on your 30rd mag, and it's g2g

>>31489307
Excuse me sir, could you not post anti-Semitic memes?

But in all seriousness, the fuck is that about. Why is .50 Beowulf exempt?

>>31487527

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/thousands-sign-petition-to-free-ben-batterham-as-he-faces-court-charged-with-murdering-alleged-home-invader/news-story/e8e272246cc8b5525c6ac2049bfc62a4

Guy finds a dude (who turns out to be a convicted home invader) in his house, according to some reports in his daughter's room, and in the ensuing struggle he ends up killing him. Dead criminal's mother is in the paper literally saying "he wus a good boy, he thought it was a house party" and the home owner has been charged with murder. Cunts fucked.

>>31489331
>Australia has its own version of "he dindu nuffin"

What a time to be alive.

>>31489330
.50 Beowulf was originally designed so dangerous game hunters could use their normal AR mags. 10 .50 Beowulf rounds fit in a 30 round NATO mag.

Hence, you can have a 10rd Beowulf mag (which is the same as a NATO mag) and say "no it's for beowulf" and get out of jail free.

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>>31489375
Man, if there is any group of people more tenacious than career criminals, zen buddhists, and God himself, its fuckin' gun owners.

>>31489234
it'd be more efficient to just make a backpack bomb and throw it into a crowd at a party m8

>>31489234
As horrific as they are, mass shootings kill hardly any people realistically. More people die in the US from lightning strikes than mass shootings.

And realistically best way to defend your life against a lunatic rampaging is by being armed yourself, not by making pointless laws. Gun laws didn't stop that clusterfuck at the Lindt cafe, and they didn't stop that cunt in Nice murdering 70 people with a truck.

>>31489414
>As horrific as they are, mass shootings kill hardly any people realistically. More people die in the US from lightning strikes than mass shootings.

As much as I agree with the first half of that line, you're bretty fuggin wrong on the second half.

"NOAA says that during the 10-year period of 2004-2013, 33 people were killed and 234 were injured by lightning strikes annually. On average, lightning strikes are fatal to about 10 percent of people who are struck."

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>>31489395
wouldn't you go to the ends of the earth to protect your beloved?

>>31489414
>More people die in the US from lightning strikes

u wot

>>31489428
what definition of 'mass shooting' are you using, the FBI definition used by liberals to gun grab (3+ people injured in a shooting iirc) or the more public definition of mass shooting (someone rolling up to an event with a gun and spraying into crowds killing 20+ people)

because if you're using the second which is really what everyone else is, i'd say every year the number is about equal

he should have said car accidents though, something like 30,000 people die each year from those things

>>31489452
I use the FBI definition, mostly because I think killing 3 people in one sitting is a lot.

Car accidents is pretty facetious to use as well, for reasons I don't really need to explain because you probably already know.

Pro-gun arguments need to be more specific. For example, when comparing murders done with rifles (of any sort) vs other tools, you find that hands and fists kill FAR, FAR more people every year than fuckin rifles.

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>>31489331
Yeah its a gross miscarriage of justice happening there
Hope he gets off the hook

>>31489331
Disgusting.

They'd better let him go and give the cunt fucking medal.

>>31489492
>one sitting is a lot
The vast majority of mass shootings are basically this:

>Tyrone wants some dope
>He calls up his dealer DeShawn
>Tyrone goes to the local crackhouse
>Jamal, King Nigger of the 'Hood, heavily dislikes Tyrone
>Jamal decides to take out his 9mm NiggaBlasta (actually a .38 special revolver but hey, niggers!)
>gets 6 shots off in Tyrone's general direction
>3 of Jamal's buddies get shot, 2 die, Tyrone gets a bullet to the heart
>2 hours later the cops get access to the bodies, maybe, send the FBI a report and put the corpses in the ground

3 people dead = mass shooting = Sandy Hook 2.0 according to liberals. In white suburbs that's a big event, but in Detroit it's just day to day life.

If you killed all niggers in the US the homicide rate would drop by 60% or more, essentially in line with European countries.

>>31489559
Like I said, I think killing 3 people in one sitting is a lot, even if they're redguards. Just because I think its a lot, doesn't mean you have to.

If liberals want to get their panties in a twist because of that, that's their problem, no amount of debate is going to help. The single most effective way to get a liberal to shift their views on guns is to wait for them to get attacked by a dindu. I wrote a story in a different thread about exactly this scenario and how it changed the perspective of a liberal friend of mine.

Killing all the dindus just isn't a thing we can do anymore, not in the internet age. The best thing we can do is keep abortion legal, keep everyone else armed, and hope more liberals change their minds.

A mass shooting shouldn't require people to die desu. Seems ridiculous you could shoot 20 people but it's not a mass shooting.

Dont die on me yet

Does the fadler come in 20 guage, if not is there a lever shotgun that does. I want one for rabbit shootin.

>>31490968
But If they tell the truth then people will know their narrative is bullshit.

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>>31487633
I found it the same.
Worked at a hospital for a couple of years, and found out some the of the surgeons owned guns.
Even one of the cleaning ladies does pistol and shotgun comps.
Then again, they're all middle aged people that remember the good ol' days.

Pretty much everyone i know is at least not against guns, and I've taken many people on range trips. Unfortunately, just about all of them don't care enough to get a licence.


Gonna go for pistol licence as soon as i sell my house

>>31487500
This is literally true. A bloke I shoot with works armed security, and he ran down how the laws work. Basically, he's expected to only draw if the attacker is armed, and he would do so not to protect his life, but to prevent the money being stolen
'Straya - we value the dead more than the living, and the living less than dosh

>>31492520
Don't know for certain but I've never heard of or seen an Adler that wasn't 12g

Updoot

>>31487643
Where in SE QLD? I'm a Gold Coast hasguns

>>31489375
>>31489395

Thats what us /k/anuks do. Semi-auto center fire magazines are limited to 5 for a rifle, therefore a 5 round .50 Beowulf mag can legally be used for 15 .223/5.56.

>>31488020
same position. I get winchester factory reloads from gunco, think it's about $30 for 60. They've been very good in the glock, think they're 124gr LRN. you shoot at springa? cat H obvs, also hazguns?

>>31494501
nice arsenal, also - nicely arranged and photographed.

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>>31494501
I think it's fairly common for doctors to be a bit more pro-guns than the average person.

My cousin in Scotland took his kids shooting as a kid, and my own doctor (who's English, funnily enough) said when I go for my licence, he'd write me a reference if the police get uppity about my mental illness diagnosis.

Then there's old Lion Helm, who was a vet in a former life, which is like a doctor but better, because your patients can't speak.

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cmon Cov arms, I want a PR22 already

>>31497609
He was also in Rhodesia for a while

truly one of us

>>31497654
>Hey Bruce lets make a gun
>sure thing Bruce how should we model it
>Fuck if I know Bruce, lets just get a crappy AR look alike receiver and put a pipe as the shroud and a crappy plastic stock
>Great idea Bruce

>>31497670
The shroud is actually the pump
It's a pump action 22

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>>31497746
>The shroud is actually the pump

>>31497654
I'll give them my shekels.

It's the closest we'll ever get to a 10/22

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>>31497654
Why are Australian guns so ugly

>>31497928
Function > form.

>>31497928
Designed to work in environments that would kill an AK47, not designed to attract edgy teens and fudds

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>>31497928
u wot m8

>>31498091
>>31498098
I'm not complaining

I love the 'so ugly it's beautiful aesthetic'

>>31497928
I want one so bad

>>31497928
how do you sight in

do you sight in?

>>31497351
>can legally be used for 15 .223/5.56.
Isn't this not the case, and it's just that it literally can be used as such, making the mag itself legal but using it like that not?

Like, it's the mag itself that it legal, but loading 15 rounds into it is still not okay and you should pin it if theres' any gendarmeries around.

>>31489016
It is LITERALLY ONLY POSSIBLE with a 3D PRINTER there is NO OTHER WAY TO MAKE A GUN

>>31488903
>spring
the average person isn't made out of money and tools, man. Don't worry about stuff like that. It's super rare.

>>31497514
cheers m8

>>31498149
>gendarmeries
Woah mec, that's too much laicite for this thread!

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>>31498139
Offset sights like most top loaders

>>31497351
>>31498149
Wouldn't this raise series questions if you don't own a firearm in .50 beowulf. I guess canada has no long arm registry though so they wouldnt know.

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>>31497928
The government needs to burn for what they did to mr owen.

>>31498297
Blamey was the worst officer in Australian history. He was on par with Hillary or Gillard level evil scheming.

>>31498460
Oh come off of it, Gillard wasn't evil.

>>31486827
Whichever is cheaper/available in Townsville.

Target.

Yes, w/ >.38

>>31487298
This.

I renewed last year, and had treatment (voluntary) for anxiety. My GP is a Bro, and concurred that outdoors, sunlight, and bang bang was just what I needed.

Attached his note, and licence was in the mail 2 weeks later (QLD).

>>31498460
Dunno about 'worst officer', but he was a cunt of a human being and a brown nosing douche

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Is there any reason I shouldn't get a mag extension for my Adler, a clamp on bayonet lug and a M9 bayo for funsies?

I'm sure I'd make it onto the news in the next bout of anti-gun propaganda.

>>31497914
Buy a charger, slap it into a chassis - bam, legal 10/22.

>>31498569
just make a video of you stabbing greens senator mannequins and post it to facebook

>>31498591
only if it doesn't exceed 75cm

>>31498595
True, but still, 10/22 goodness.

>>31498617
I had a 10/22 carbine for a few years as a farm bike-gun. They're ok in terms of reliability and build quality was average, accuracy was really mediocre though.
If you do get one, make sure its got the original mags, the aftermarket ones are pretty shithouse for the most part and about the only time you'll get a hangup

>>31494501
Woah dude, are you me?

> Mossberg MVP Flex Tavtical
> Single barrel shotgun (mine is a Cooey cut-down)
> Adler

Though my Enfield is a Snider

>>31498489
Fuck off Labor shill

http://www.claytonfirearms.com.au/products/centrefire-rifles/armalite-inc/ar-30a1-300-wm-target-rifle-w-adj-stock-2348-clayton

Thoughts guys?

>>31498792
SIX THOUSAND DOLLARYDOOS?!

>>31498797
b-but it's so aesthetic

What's a good/decent range finder worth lads?

I want to step up my game.

>>31486827
So why did no one actually fight back in 96? Why did they just hide/give their guns in?

>>31498993
The money was too good to pass up

>>31498993
it was either give your guns, or your shitposting licenses

>>31498993
give up your guns or go to jail. few people tried to shoot their way out but they didn't make it.

>>31498993
Why did no-one stop the holocaust?

>>31499015
how do you stop something that never happened?

>>31498998
>>31499008
>>31499012
>>31499015
Frankly as an American I am disgusted that you didn't have the balls to stand up for your rights and just gave in. We would not hesitate to do what needs to be done.

>>31499025
i couldnt even walk yet back then m8

>>31499025
Me too

but I was like a month old so I can't take all the blame

>>31499025
hows california going m8

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>>31499025
>Frankly as an American
Most of you cunts try and pretend you're some kind of John Wayne cowboy shit, the sad reality is you're mostly soft cocks, blacks and pissants.

>>31499038
1 of our states, all of yours.

Do the math.

>>31499030
>>31499032
Give your parents hell for being traitors to the cause of gun rights.

>>31499048
Brave words coming from a nation where self defence was made illegal and people willingly handed all their guns in.

We on the other hand have actually had our gun rights get better.

>>31499025
>american
enjoy your no guns come november

>>31499071
So what do you do m8? Anything personally to further american firearm rights?

>>31499076
>implying shillary will win

>>31499071
my parents were at Port Arthur, so I'd doubt they'd listen anyway

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>>31499085

>>31498569
I really want to put my M9 bayo on my Adler, what sort of bayonet lug clamp would you use?
Are they generally big enough to fit on the adler?

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>>31499085
[spoiler] he was a patsy [/spoiler]

>>31499025
>>31498993
People did.
People protested.
There are videos of Howard giving a speech to a hostile crowd which kept shouting him down.
But politicians are gonna do what they want in the end.

>>31499115
Mods, can you ban people like this for spreading /x/ tier memes about "false flags" and such.

Mate, Sandy Hook and PA happened, get over it.

>>31499129
So you still gave in? Pathetic. After words the next step is action, a step you failed because you didng have the balls.

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>>31499135
Thanks for Correcting The Record™

>>31499115
My friend lives in his old house

>>31499142
Does he have any photos?

>>31499149
of what?

>>31499153
The house m8.

>>31499155
probably

>>31499139
Yeah it should have led to open rebellion in the two weeks that people knew about the bans.

>>31499158
well..

>>31499163
1996 would have been an amazing time, not in a good way but just a strong feeling way. All those guns about to disappear underground forever your last chance to grab one before they're gone. I imagine it's like when an invading army is coming and you're trying to pack any valuables and leave before they get there.

>>31499166
I not posting pictures of my friend's house on a chinese cartoon website

>>31499178
fuckin nancy boy go fuck ya

>>31499178
do it mate, it'll be hilarious

>>31499110
I've just been looking at ones for the Rem 870 and Mossberg 500/590, I don't think a off the shelf one exists for the Adler.

I'll probably buy one and a tube extension and see what machining needs to be done to fit.

>>31499171
Australia kind of changed after that

It's like someone took out our teeth.

>>31499110
>>31499190
just use some araldite

>>31499198
when my granddad was at schol the students would all keep a pistol in their desk. and you could walk through sydney with a rifle on your shoulder and no one gave a shit.

no school shootings either.

something happened, I think it's a combination of synthetic chemicals and lead mining.

>>31499203
Inb4 media beat up about how using 2 part adhesives is allowing c̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶s̶ firearm owners to modify their high capacity assault murder weapons with extra pointy murder sticks

>>31499140
>Something is wrong with stating fact

It happened man, accept it for what it is.

>>31499227
Oh it happened for sure, but Martin Bryant wasn't responsible.

>>31499216
It's not really built into our culture to start shooting folk because we're sad or feel threatened. Unless you're fully mental.

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SSAA all the way.
got my A,B,C,H
don't have an adler but I got better.

>>31499275
noice

>>31486827

Go away, Adam.

>>31499275
how'd u get ur C? primary producer?

>>31487123
Only siths deal in absolutes, and I ain't putting my dick in no sith.

>>31499312
In WA we can get cat C shottys for Practical shooting I got my 870 the first month I joined my club

>>31499365
farkkk noice

is it a limit of one?

I don't think i'd be able to resist a saiga12 desu

>>31499377
as far I I know I think it's one I might be able to get a "backup" incase mine breaks but it would have to be a pump as well only shit part is we can't import new stuff it has to be secondhand as we can't get import permits for sport shooting so my 870 was made in 1976 she's 40 this year

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>Adler All Weather w/ wood furniture
Kinda ruins the whole "all weather" part but still
Muh dick

>>31499048
why are australians so savage

literally angrier than canadians, wtf

>>31498207
canada's stance on guns is basically just "please do not do crimes with them. please"

the rcmp doesnt really seem to care all that much and guns and gun culture are not a hot-button issue. ask the average person in the street what they think of gun laws and it'll probably just be "what? fuck off nerd"

its not like people try super hard to get around laws or anything either, most people are content with conventional shotguns and rifles since most people just hunt or target shoot and don't have guns to ~scare the government~ and other such politically charged things. like, ARs are restricted? cool time to get literally any other rifle then

>>31499508
the government should be scared of the people

>>31499497
Did you link the wrong post? I don't see where you're getting this whole anger notion from

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>>31499514
the government should be in a mutually beneficial agreement with the people

>>31499541
absolutely not. the government should be made by the people for the people and should know that at a moments notice it can cease to exist.

>>31499549
the government, if made by the people for the people, should probably not fear the people, because then it's gonna do shit like take away their guns and other rights out of fear instead of giving people nice things in exchange for nice things from the people (such as taxes and re-election and a functioning economy)

>>31499559
the government should not be an entity, it's an agreement between people. you give it too much power when you legitimize it as an independent body that has say in our lives. it's a contract between members of society.

>>31499549
No developed nation is like that though, which is a good thing too, because it leads to a certain amount of security which is good from an economic point of view.

>>31499564
the government should be an entity in the metaphysical sense of "should" because some body or another, whether it is an individual or a collective will, will govern a state, even if that "governance" is just a zeitgeist dictating average social and economic values. by grace of a group of people interacting by any set of rules, even personal rules dictated by personal values interacting with persons outside the self, an entity of some sort will be born from the ether to "govern" even if it can only be identified and not actively controlled or corralled

for a people who like to go on about MUH LOCKE, LE ENLIGHTENEMENT THINKIGN there doesnt seem to be much actual thinking going on about literally anything

>>31499549
name ONE (1) functioning state where this is true.

don't you dare say the US because lmao if you think the US government can be dissolved at the drop of a hat

>>31499590
fuck the government reeeee don't tread on me

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>>31499596
even in an anarchist society, the existence of society means the existence of government, even if it is simply the collective will of the species

even in an individual homestead, a government will exist between parents and children, or superior and subordinate in particularly unbalanced relationships, and even among equals, the collective will and established rules of the household will apply

even in an individual person, government exists in the self exercising will over itself, in its inhibitions and activities preferred, and governance over its environment in the toil of industry and survival

>>31499608
so animals have governments?

>>31499613
In a rudimentary sense, yes.

>>31499622
do animals have free will?

>>31499626
You have free will, don't you?

>>31499633
i have consciousness, whether that means free will I don't know.

>>31499613
gregarious animals are a thing and travel in packs

wolves have alpha/beta hierachies formed by age and parenthood
many birds have self-organizing formations to optimize their flying
lions will form prides of a male lazing about a bunch of working females

even loner animals still impose themselves on the world by existing and interacting with the world. you can't escape it. somewhere, a wood thrush is silently oppressing you by singing as loudly as it can, without regard for your comfort. It is violating your property rights by pooping on your rightful clay.

>>31499641
has a bird ever denied my right to bear arms though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShiShrR_nh8

(Let's not get too far off topic, lads, it's been a good thread so far.)

>>31487534
The handle of a garden tool i heard

>>31499662
Silverchair was always in that uncomfortable middle ground between pop and punk.

So half/k/ AU fags, any idea where to get a decent priced nugget within AU that isnt complete shit or a rip off? [spoiler]double points for QLD[/spoiler]

>>31499791
https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=72589

Best I could find.

>>31488903
tell that to the guys who have imported literally hundreds of glocks
the jewler who was caught after already selling 100+ mac 10's
the literally hundreds of thousands of guns left over since the buyback

If someone finds a gun, like in an old shed or the ceiling of a house they bought, can they register and keep it assuming they have the proper license?

>>31500240
You have to turn it in the moment you find it, anything else will mean you are in a possession of an illegal firearm and therefore a criminal who faces 5-10 years in prison.

No really.

Hypothetically, cover it in cosmoline and forget it exists.

Hypothetically of course.

>>31500240
What gun? I don't see one.

>>31500260
Well, yeah, of course you'd hand it over the the police right away. I was just wondering if they had provisions where they could hold it until it was all cleared, similar to what they do with ones you might inherit through a deceased family member.

>>31500312
No, it either has to be on a registry when it is imported or back in 96 when the registry came into effect. Anything else is illegal and to be destroyed.

>>31500312
Yes, sort of. With deceased estates it's easy because the person the police would love to throw the book at is dead, if you rock up with an unregistered gun you're instantly a bad-guy.

That said, it is possible, I know of guns that have been found (people forgotten about it of course) and then registered. Gun was handed in and the cops held it until a buyer was found, then it was added to the registry and registered to the new owner. But it will 100% depend upon the willingness of the cops overseeing it all. I think some places have a "destroy all guns" attitude to this kind of stuff.

Any one know a good site to buy safe in vic?
Also for cat H what do I have to do.
>fucking hyped for the aus threads boys, let's make /k/ grouse again

>>31500746
Join a pistol club, do a safety course and start practicing. Cat H takes 6 months from the date you join the pistol club, get to it breh.

>>31486827
>needing or wanting a cuck cannon

Disgraceful and un australian.

>>31499139
You 2nd amendment right is being eroded by the minute, yet I don't see any of you dragging your leaders in to the streets. Heck, you're not even allowed to have Suppressors or concealed carry with out a licence. You're bent over by the government just as much as us... You still have to ask for your "rights" lol

Face it, you will do the same when the time comes.

Oh and don't get me started on Calicuckistan or jewyork

>>31500312
Wait until the next firearm armistice thingo to 'find' it.
Go take it in and register it and thats it.

>>31499791
>Wanting a nugget
>Ever

I bought one and now I'm just trying to sell it.
But hey, if you're ever down in Vic and want a parts-matching Type 53, I'll sell it for $600 with a big bag of brass included.

Even comes with some Chinese guy's name scratched onto the stock.

So I'm only just realising this now,
but when I bought a gun over a year ago I either didn't get the pink registration paper or I lost it.

What do?

Can I just go to a cop shop and get them to give me a new one? Is there a chance it isn't actually registered to me at all?

>>31500240
>>31500260

that's not 100% true if you find a gun you can just walk in to a gun shop with it and sell it to them or get them to register it to you/some one else or pay them to hold on to it while you find a buyer or get your own license.

the cops don't get involved unless the gun needs to be destroyed or the serial number comes back stolen.

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>>31489234
I dont know who would use a single shot home made job when there are these fine homemade Mac 10s and Lutties around.

Also Nice France. Budget hire truck. Anzac day.

You dont need a gun to kill dozens of people. Hell it turns out trucks are actually more effective.

>>31505557
Because those cost a few thousand dollars compared to a single shot, which is practically worthless.

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>>31487649
>just move there...

>>31506711
>Few thousand dollars.
Wut mate.
Unless you're buying from that jeweller cunt, they're a few hundred dollars - they have to compete with the black market imports - who would buy a Luty when you can get a FA M16 for $3,500?
They both have the same prison sentence.

>>31487705
I love that theres a few ACT people on here, i struggle to hide my power level in the hopes of bumping into one of you one day

Could someone make a semi auto luty and register it as a pistol?

What's stopping someone from becoming a legitimate firearms manufacturer and constructing semi auto luty's to sell legally?

>>31506916
>FA M16 for $3,500
>doubt.jpg

>>31498489
>c-c-cmon guys, setting up a slush fund for union extorted money and then spending it on renovations to your house and coture fashion is no big deal rite??

that scheming cunt should have been in jail not the PM of our country

>>31499508
canada actually disbanded their registry because in all the years it existed it was never used to solve a single criminal case. So they decided the cost of upkeeping it vs the benefit of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING just wasn't worth it.

>>31507633
Yeah, it's easier to just cut funding for education, health and infrastructure instead

>>31508165
is stupidity a government policy or what?

>>31506711
Mate literally anyone can borrow a few thousand unsecured quickly. Interest rates and repayments will be fucked if you are a dead beat ex bankrupt loser but you can still get it. If you have no intention of paying it back then it doesnt really matter now does it.

>>31507571
Darknet drove prices down.

>>31508316
I thought all of those sites were just honeypots and scams

>>31508333
No, there's a few genuine ones that people posted reviews/photos for.

Can anyone give me advice on hunting? never been before but want to start. What kind of gear do I need? Recommendations for first raifu? Want to

There's a local field and game club and also a range. Should I check those out?

>>31508629
Step 1: Learn all the safety rules
Steps 2-14: Follow all the safety rules
Step 15: Find someone experienced to take you hunting. Try not to ND into them.

>>31508629
On a more serious note, it's going to depend a lot on what you're hunting, where you're hunting, and what time of day you expect to be doing it.

>>31508629
get a 22 and shoot rabbits at dusk and dawn and night if you have NV or spotlights

>>31498993
social media didnt exist
every media station showed only corners of the crowds that protested and made them look small
a fuckload of people didnt comply
>500,000sks's imported
>700,000 guns handed in
>-5% were cat D

yeah the buyback totally worked guys

new general when