After seeing the french adopting the HK416A5 and the marines

Nope.

I enjoy my pws mk116 mod1-p, probably the best piston AR manufacturer on the market

>>31477341
Honestly, it is strange the US armed forces have not adopted that yet.

Long-stroke piston AR, done by american manufacturer, best of both worlds.

Sig 516 or MCX if you actually want an improvement and not just some piston slapped on a standard AR.

Also note that the only things a piston AR has over a DI one is less wear on moving parts when suppressed or running a very short barrel.
So if you're using neither, there is no reason why you wouldn't get a cheap, standard, run out the mill AR that will serve you just as well.

>>31477366
I am lazy and I do not like to clean my guns as much.

And Sig MCX sounds kinda unreliable though.

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>>31477366
the one range in LV said they have had shit luck with piston ars
The only piston gun I'd take over my sr-15 is a REAL HK416
other than that, I'd take a SCAR
If I were the military, I'd adopt the SCAR, with FN being in SC now, I'm sure they would tool up for it if the gov ordered 100k rifles
I think pistons are the future (and the past) but not for the AR platform

>>31477445
SCAR is more expensive than HK416 with only benefit being folding stock though.

HK416 is also more widely used, SCAR is only used by SFs.

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>>31477352
>Honestly, it is strange the US armed forces have not adopted that yet.

It costs money. We spend too much emphasis on SHARP training than replacing antiquated weapons. We finally got the DD RIS II though.

>>31477459
Just a matter of replacing the upper though, like honestly.

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>>31477459
That and we got SCAR's now too. So I highly doubt we'll ever roll over the M4 to a piston. We'll more likely swap M4's for L's if we ever even get that far.

>>31477352
>Long-stroke piston AR, done by american manufacturer, best of both worlds.
>imblying piston system is better in an AR

>>31477483
Seriously?

Even Stoner agrees that piston is better than DI.

And long-stroke piston is the simplest, most hardy and robust.

>>31477493
>Even Stoner agrees that piston is better than DI
Cite?

>And long-stroke piston is the simplest, most hardy and robust.
Ah that means it's better.

>How many memes can one thread hold? Let's find out

>>31477457
Not sure how much the scar is over the 416, but I'd take a SCAR over a 416 anyways
>>31477474
one of the main issues with pistons is carrier tilt, and with a random ass colt/fn lower, I'd say it wouldn't be working how it should compared to a full HK gun
I'm sorry, but you can't remake a rifle and expect it to be 100%

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>>31477493
That's odd considering he was given free hand to fix whatever he felt was wrong with the AR-15 while at KAC and he developed pic related.

It's almost as if you pulled it out of your ass.

>>31477474
>spend fuck knows how much replacing half of the main service rifle in the US for something that gives no real benefit whatsoever and a mess of other issues
Nah.

>>31477497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner
>The Stoner Weapons System used a piston-operated gas impingement system, though Stoner himself believed direct gas operation was the ideal method for firearms.

>>31477493
>Even Stoner agrees that piston is better than DI.
Lol

>>31477521
The fact it runs cleaner and is more reliable, and has less parts would be better no?
>>31477506
The carrier tilt is one of the most overblown problems ever, the marines have been using the M27 since goddamn 2006 as a LMG, and they only use them more of them, not less.

>>31477527
>Citations; none
Figured

>>31477535
>The fact it runs cleaner and is more reliable
Holy shit stop.

My problem with the HK416 is that you can literally buy the product improved version, developed by the same guy, for less with the SIG 516.

>>31477535
so they just slapped 416 uppers on colt lowers?
>>31477535
only SLIGHTLY more reliable, if at all
less parts? nah

>>31477541
You can clean the long stroke piston less though.

>>31477527
Am I an idiot here or something, or did that comment not prove the point?

Seriously I don't know the fine details of firearm terms but isn't that statement basically saying "Stoners system used a piston, but he believed DI was ideal."

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>>31477551
>so they just slapped 416 uppers on colt lowers?
Nope

>>31477551
Marines aren't cheapstakes, they bought the whole gun.

But HK makes the HK416 upper to be useable on standard lower.

>>31477554
Imaginary factoid! Bless your heart!

>>31477562
>Marines aren't cheapstakes
The entire existence of the M27 in their arsenal is contrary to that statement.

>>31477557
Direct Gas Piston is not gas impingement.

>>31477558
yo dog i heard yo like sights.

>>31477569
If they were cheapstakes, they would just buy the M27 uppers and slap them on M4 lower.

>>31477445
He said he was buying the MCX after his tour at the SIG facility. No experience with it yet.

>>31477567
It's objective that long-stroke piston runs cleaner and the most reliable though.

>>31477558
>>31477562
carrier tilt would be a concern, have you seen colt lowers on THEIR uppers? Can't speak for FN
lmfao

>>31477584
I would like to see that.

>>31477571
So you baited everyone with Stoner thought DI is shit comment even though you know damn well in the context of the thread we're comparing external pistol to internal piston using DI as the distinguishing vernacular. By failing to use crowd appropriate verbiage you sabotage your own argument and look like a buffoon as a result.

Nice work.

>>31477571
>direct gas operation
Where does it talk about a piston. Seriously, it's saying this system used a piston, BUT he preferred direct gas OPERATION, in contrast to a piston

>>31477582
I'm sure you'll come out with your copious amount of sources. You'll need them, my response will forever damage the way you understand firearms.

>>31477576
Almost like they're trying to avoid an inherent issue with shoehorning a piston into the AR or something

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>>31477445
LWRC is good too, I own 2 and the only failure I've ever had was ammo related in which the extractor ripped a chunk of the rim on the steel case.

>>31477529
It's no surprise when his Stoner 63 rifles were long-stroke pistons.

>>31477366
SIG MCX is a jamming POS. Theres a reason it wasn't picked

>>31477596
That's the entire of point of the HK416 though, an AR having a piston mechanism.

>>31477590
I can tell you from personal experience that colt fitment sucks dick, It might be different in the mil, but my 6920 was shit

>>31477594
Just look at the AK.

>>31477527
A DI system with a piston is exactly what the AR has. Why do you think it has a big chunk of tubular steel housing the bolt and firing pin. That is the piston you dummy. The AR cannot be considered a true DI system because the BCG in essence acts as the piston. Most of the gas escapes through the ejection port as the BCG is pushed back, much like how gas escapes through the vents on the housing of a short stroke piston. Of course the AR will run a bit dirtier and have to worry about things like dwell time and buffer weight, but it is worth the reduction in frontal mass, simplicity and supposed boon to accuracy.

>>31477607
For how tacticool larry snickers is, he said something about the MCX that I thought was interesting, but I don't have sauce
I want an MPX though..

>>31477609
Carrier tilt is a thing, but you can't just say MY ANECDOTE MEANS ANYTHING

>>31477607
>SIG MCX is a jamming POS. Theres a reason it wasn't picked
>Larry Snickers shitpost about a pre production prototype he got range time on in confidence is gospel even though the program went on to be adopted by those that requested the program
Sure thing.

>>31477613
>Just look at the AK
What about the AK? Turning into a shitposter because you have no evidence to back up your claim just make my cock harder.

>>31477607
49 fags would disagree with you

>>31477616
>Of course the AR will run a bit dirtier and have to worry about things like dwell time and buffer weight, but it is worth the reduction in frontal mass, simplicity and supposed boon to accuracy.
Two words: not really.

An AK is only a little heavier than an AR, and it's ultimately more reliable and requires less cleaning time.

Long-stroke piston rifles aren't inaccurate either.

>>31477626
AK uses a long-stroke piston, and it's an incredibly robust and reliable system, much more than AR.

>>31477636
>AK uses a long-stroke piston, and it's an incredibly robust and reliable system, much more than AR.
>I'm going to recite sourceless fuddlore my grandpappy told me about goooons!

Just stahp.

>>31477476
thats not a radio thing thats a cyptographic device
>>31477483
could you elaborate on the difference on the long stroke vs di ?
>>31477571
explain more please

and long stroke vs short stroke ?

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>>31477630
>An AK is only a little heavier than an AR, and it's ultimately more reliable and requires less cleaning time.
Lol

>>31477647
You can find a beat to shit african AK that has gone through thousands and thousands of round and still work.

Even the dirtiest AR cannot get that far without some lubes.

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>>31477406
Tell that to 50 dead faggots in Orlando

>>31477651
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-operated_reloading

tl;dr
long stroke = one big connected piston
short stroke = two separated piece

Long stroke is superior because it's bigger and simpler.

>>31477647
AKs do last longer than ARs, this is just the nature of the platforms
>>31477618
Carrier tilt is a real issue, and it was in response to a comment that specifically said why not just buy 416 uppers? read the entire comment next time instead of choosing to pick out a small part.

>>31477673
I think the AK has earned in piece in Dallas.

>>31477678
so than wouldnt di be even better since its even less pieces ?

>>31477543
>developed by the same guy
Not really

>product improved
they switched the name. Its an AR clone like every other one like it.

>>31477660
>advocating not lubing your AK
>thinking lube is a difficult thing to have even in shithole nations
>not having lube as part of any field kit
>thinking just because it can run without lube is because of the piston system
Wew led.

>>31477683
>AKs do last longer than ARs, this is just the nature of the platforms
>just the nature
I'm sure you got a source on that?

>>31477457
Currently in a SF unit. Guess what's not in their armory.

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>>31477651
>thats not a radio thing thats a cyptographic device
>AN/PRC = Army Navy / Portable Radio Configuration
>requires a fill device to load crypto, it itself is not a fill device
>it pushes magical radio wave magic between the earth and the atmosphere

It's a radio bro.

>>31477696
Because DI is using the momentum of the high pressure gas it is very finicky. It is also filthy and poor quality ammo will quickly jam it.

>>31477708
A FAMAS ?

>>31477716
>falling for the "ARs are unreliable meme"
>[current year]
Its just like 2008 again.

>>31477707
AK run by muslims/africans are basically washed and cleaned by water, especially the tribal africans who don't even know what lubes are.

>>31477696
Nope, since DI is basically shoving gas back inside the chamber.

>>31477707
it's well known that AR bolts start to fail around ~20k rounds

>>31477727
DI AR is better by the years, but it's not more reliable than or even as AK or long stroke piston, get that delusion outta here.

>>31477728
>more sourceless information
God damn.

>>31477673
>>31477628
>>31477620
The MCX jammed multiple times during the club shooting.
He could've gotten away with more had the MCX not been a piece of one-size-fits-all disposable garbage.

>>31477750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqL0dtIeTT8

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>>31477728
>especially the tribal africans who don't even know what lubes are.
You mean those painted up goons with stretched ears holding old ass Type 56's and iPods? I love AK's, but you're an idiot.

>>31477735
>20k rounds
Thanks for proving it to be a robust platform? Lol. You know how much fuckin firing that is? That's...well 20k rounds.

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>>31477716
Have... Have you ever shot an ar thats DI?

>>31477764
20k isn't much when you use it for 10 years
stay on topic please

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>>31477760
Nope, I'm talking about these fuckers.

>>31477759
>generously oiled
But I thought AKs didnt need lube?

>>31477783
After 18 years, yeah, I think some lubes would do.

>>31477776
Okay fair, because nothing on an AK needs replacing after 20k rounds lel.

>>31477673
It lasted 3 hours

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>>31477779
Yeah, the exact same ones I'm talking about.

>implying these are used for anything other than show

>>31477795
I've since replaced my bolt and firing pin after I hit around the 12k mark in my WASR, and I've also gone through two recoil springs.

>>31477749
Do you want me to share the videos of guys comparing rifles receiving abuse and having the AKs jam as well, or does that not count because they aren't [brand] or because of some other special reason in which ANY rifle would fail?

>>31477772
There is no such thing as a DI AR.
Ljungmann, Hakim, Rasheed, Mas49 are all DI.
The AR is already a piston gun.

>>31477826
Show me an AR that has been buried 18 years and still work.

>>31477792
Point prooben.

>>31477814
My point exactly, it's a fucking machine. There is no engine, weapon, computer, whatever, they does not break down with use. AKs are not made out of smagical russian metal infused with 1000 folded vodkers, it's a fucking gun.

>>31477801
The fact remains they aren't lubed regularly and they still work.

>>31477701
Yes really. Literally in fact.

>INb4 Wikipedia is a source.

>>31477814
Also, do you have any pics of those chinks still using old school ARs that were captured or whatever?

>>31477845
Proven?
The fifthy AR requires lubing every 5000 rounds for it to work.

Now let's skip all that shit, bury it for 18 years without protection and see if it still works.

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>>31477844
Show me an AK like that.

>>31477876
See >>31477759

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>>31477862
No, but there's no shortage of pics of IDF using 50 year old 'Nam-era ARs that are worn to hell.

>>31477844
You mean a rifle that was buried without its action closed, and in dry material? But when guys do the same shit to an AR it doesn't count because the rifle is "sealed", then they want a test with the dust-cover open, and it still works.
Also, they lubricate the AK in that video, they don't just dig it up and shoot it.
Your fanboyism is showing drastically. Do you even own or operate either of the platforms?

>>31477872
>you must bury this gun for 18 years in order to prove to me it's just as good
lol, stay scientific jerry.

>>31477872
>requires lubing every 5000 rounds
Oh no, rifle is proven an unreliable shit

>>31477872
>implying having to lubricate every 5000 is in any way an unreasonable expectation
There is never going to be a situation where you will not have access to some form of lubricant and shoot that many rounds.
Stop living in your delusional Mad Max fantasies.

>>31477861
Different teams faggot. Its never just one guy.

Also, it doesn't matter because they're literally the same rifle. Just a different name

>>31477896
I would let you lubricate it after you bury it for 18 years.

Go bury your AR without its action closed for 18 years and see if it still works.
>>31477898
Can you do it or not?

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>>31477712
shit bro i just saw the fill cable

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>>31477857
So do AR's. I've run M4's next to AK's in the mother fucking jungles of Bangladesh bro. A lot of guns can run dry for a while, but they'll all eventually run into issues. I'm here to tell you, from ~15 years of personal experience at home and abroad, there is nothing that makes the AK unequivocally superior to the AR platform.

>>31477911
Unreasonable for the AR, sure.

But for an AK? Nah.

>>31477594
The ar15 is a gas operated bolt and carrier system, the tail of the bolt acts like a piston and the matching cavity in the carrier acts like a chamber.

>>31477923
>Can you do it or not?
I honestly don't know, I've not seen an AR specifically in that situation. So, there's no evidence one way or the other, unless you have some?

Keep in mind, unless you're just shitposting, in which case carry on, it's still a machine, made of metal, it's not magic, that's why it needed all that lubing and whatever else they did to it off camera for it to work.

>>31477934
Cool story? Stay in your cancer land please.

>>31477921
>Different teams faggot. Its never just one guy. Also, it doesn't matter because they're literally the same rifle. Just a different name

>You're wrong even though you're right.

What are you even arguing for? The SIG 516 is a product improved 416 developed by the same dude that developed the 416. Just like I said.

>>31477895
IDF bro here. I've seen a M16E1 lower (6 digit serial) around. I'll try to take a pic if I can

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>>31477933
I've had more jams out of my AKs than my ARs.
Atheists- 1
Christfags- 0

>>31477927
If it's an M4, then it's newer than the AK that are in Bangladesh.
>I'm here to tell you, from ~15 years of personal experience at home and abroad, there is nothing that makes the AK unequivocally superior to the AR platform.
Aside from tiny thing like the ability to have folding stock, and bigger parts that are harder to lose.

>>31477957
Please do. This AK mystical wizard gun meme needs to die. It's 2016, let's at least pretend we act scientific.

>>31477923
I did mean to say with its action closed, not open to the elements. The AK that was buried was closed, but when ARs are closed it doesn't count according to AK fanboys.
Also, why wouldn't an AR be able to function under those conditions either? They aren't nearly as susceptible to rust or rot as an AK due to their materials, and if its sealed up why would anything get inside?
I will grant you that I have no video evidence of the conditions you expect occurring to an AR, but I like that every other example we have given is totally irrelevant since you haven't defended them, and this is the last point you have to stand behind.
I won't deny the limitations of the AR platform, but at least I'm not intellectually dishonest enough to pretend [my chosen rifle] is the best whilst ignoring any dissenting opinions.

>>31477872
>bury it for 18 years
In a sealed container with cosmoline?

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>>31477954
What's that, spam this thread with pics? Ok

>>31477954
If there's no evidence for that, I shall dismiss it.

You have seen photographic evidences where a 18-year buried AK that is rusted to shit can still work after some lubes.

No such thing for AR.

>it's still a machine, made of metal, it's not magic, that's why it needed all that lubing and whatever else they did to it off camera for it to work.
It's the different in gas system, one is long-stroke gas piston, one is gas impingement.
Basically one solid block of steel vs no solid block of steel at all.

>>31477979
At least you're being remotely useful now. I've turned you into a product member, keep doing this tripfag. You'll never be accepted, but at least you can dance for me.

A piston AR does literally nothing better than a DI AR except be more expensive.

>>31477969
Enough fucking talk, bury it for 18 years and see if it works or not.

Nothing? Then shut up.

>>31477980
>If there's no evidence for that, I shall dismiss it.
Never, ever go into law you dipshit.

>>31477980
>No such thing for AR.
And? There's no evidence of it at all, so making the comparison is absurd and dismissed, you can't use the lack of evidence to back up your point lel.

>It's the different in gas system, one is long-stroke gas piston, one is gas impingement.
This makes it better at being buried for a long time?

>>31477970
Nope this one is rusted piece of shit.

>>31477991
"This is the only argument I have left after I had the rest of mine BTFO'd"
Ayy lmao, stay mad fanboy. Post pics of your AK fag.

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>>31477979
Should I a gote in here?

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>>31477962
>If it's an M4, then it's newer than the AK that are in Bangladesh.
Because you know exactly the different AK variants they're using, where they got them and how old they are? Where were you at during range days?

>Aside from tiny thing like the ability to have folding stock, and bigger parts that are harder to lose.
This is non issue for those of us who actually use them for a living.

>>31477991
>i...i was just pretending to be retarded guuiiiseee D'=

18+ to post

>>31478001
>And? There's no evidence of it at all, so making the comparison is absurd and dismissed, you can't use the lack of evidence to back up your point lel.
You can perfectly do that with your AR and test though, but so far, there's no fucking evidence that the AR can survive that test.
>This makes it better at being buried for a long time?
yes, because steel harder is to break than not having it at all.

>>31478008
>>31478017
So basically, ARfags have nothing to show.

>>31478010
Sure, this is a cancer thread after all

>>31478012
>Because you know exactly the different AK variants they're using, where they got them and how old they are? Where were you at during range days?
Bangladesh is chokeful of type 56, which is much, much older than M4.
>This is non issue for those of us who actually use them for a living.
And? Doesn't mean they aren't issues. Who gives a shit what you do for a living?

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>>31478032
Yeeeeee

>>31478018
Anyone have the gif of that animu girl raging that she caught being retarded and then starts shitposting about how it was a joke and nigger nigger nigger?

>>31478032
Great, a thread about limitation of DI means cancer.

Can DI fanboys get any less butthurt?

>>31478018
>a stamped AK receiver is more durable than forged Aluminum
10/10 delusion
Also, why would a rifle made of aluminum and polymer have an issue being buried that long, especially when sealed up? It wouldn't rust or rot like an AK would.
>>31478025
We admitted we have no video evidence of your expectation, but I like how you glazed over and totally ignored how all your other arguments got blown out. This is the only one you have left, and you're arguing from the perspective of a fanboy who doesn't even own the rifle, not surprisingly.

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>muh ak never need cleaning
>watch documentary about africa
>militias using ak
>clean and lube them every day
Ak fags BTFO XDXDXDXDXDXDXD!!!!!!!!!@#$%&*([[_=÷

>>31478057
Anyone have that video of 18 year buried AR that still work?

Because that isn't a joke and I haven't gotten it to see it.

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>>31478039
I wonder if a gotesticker would go well on an RPK. I certainly got plenty laying around. :^

>>31478062
Hard to be a fanboy when you own or operate both, like MilSurpDude has already proven.
You have yet to show you own either.

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>>31478062
Name one limitation

>>31478065
How am I blown the fuck out?

All the arguments so far show an AK has been buried for 18 years and still work, and you guys try to argue that AR can do the same, without evidences.

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>>31477483
>imbpying piston system is better in an AR
It was literally Stoner's fix for it in the AR-18 and Colt's solution during Nam after capturing AKs before the solved what was going on with the M16

>>31478075
You can own and operate both and be a fanboy.
>You have yet to show you own either.
Not necessary.

>>31478081
The lack of piston means the rifle is less reliable and more prone to fouling.

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>>31478094
>Not necessary.
Shit man, is all your info coming from youtube and online articles instead of actual experience? Sad! Low energy!

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>>31478091
>ford makes $400,000 gt
>then makes $30,000 focus
OMG GUYZ, GT IS SHIT AND THE FOCUS WAS MADE TO REPLACE IT.

AR FAGS BTFO!!!!!!÷×+×÷÷

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>>31478101
>The lack of piston
I am laffin m8

>>31478104
All my info come from the fact I shoot dirty ass musuem rifles, and the AK come out better.

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Primary weapons has a proprietary long stroke piston system for all of their AR variants

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>>31478101
Nope, if that was true, my suppressed ar would have issues and they don't.

>>31478091
>It was literally Stoner's fix
No, it was stoners cheap version meant to marketed to foreign militaries.

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>>31478035
>Bangladesh is chokeful of type 56, which is much, much older than M4.
>implying Norinco doesn't still manufacture and export the Type 56

There were a fuck ass ton of Type 81's too. They were all in good shape and they were all given daily maintenance, to include lubrication in the form of generic CLP.

>And? Doesn't mean they aren't issues.
They're only issues to arm chair commandos. I have NEVER had an issue toting my M4 around in any kind of vehicle that would warrant the need for a folding stock.

>Who gives a shit what you do for a living?
I'm just giving some years of well vetted knowledge kid. You can take it or leave it.

>>31478115
A pseudo-piston is no replacement for the real thing.

Not to mention all the little ass pins the AR's BCG has.

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>>31478117
So do I, you silly nignog, y u so nogunz? :^

>>31477459
>DD RIS II
how much SHARP do they do I heard about from 2nd lt, made it seem like its very very importent

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>>31478125
I think have some pics of mine

It's above the ptr

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>>31478133
>Not to mention all the little ass pins the AR's BCG has.
Wew, I'm all meme'd out kiddos! Gotta get to work so I can earn money to buy ammo for the guns I own!

>>31478130
>There were a fuck ass ton of Type 81's too. They were all in good shape and they were all given daily maintenance, to include lubrication in the form of generic CLP.
But lesser than type 56, type 56 is THE rifle for that region. Though I'm not sure about lubrication.
>They're only issues to arm chair commandos. I have NEVER had an issue toting my M4 around in any kind of vehicle that would warrant the need for a folding stock.
So basically, they are issues but you deny them, fine.
>I'm just giving some years of well vetted knowledge kid. You can take it or leave it.
I'm going to leave it then, you being a vet doesn't mean shit.
>

>>31478091
>It was literally Stoner's fix for it in the AR-18
The AR-18 was Armalite's fix for not having patents for the AR-15 and wanting to compete with countries who were too google to make anything more complex than stamped receivers.

>>31478137
Because it doesn't matter and long stroke piston is still better than DI?

>>31478153
>I'm going to leave it then, you being a vet doesn't mean shit.
Not even him, but you supposedly working at a weapon museum does?

>>31478152
Can't argue further huh?

Oh well, less one spamming tripfag.

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>>31478133
>Not to mention all the little ass pins the AR's BCG has.
retardalert.jpg

What the actual fuck are you talking about? There's only 1 pin on the AR15 BCG and it doesn't do dick but hold in the firing pin and create enough drag for it to be drop safe.

>>31478159
Yeah, because I work with antique weapons have fired over thousand of rounds, and guess what?

AK comes out better.

>>31478173
That's one pin too many and can be easily lost.

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>>31478153
>But lesser than type 56, type 56 is THE rifle for that region.
Chinese is THE everything for that region.

>Though I'm not sure about lubrication.
Well let me clear that up for you, I AM sure about lubrication. They're fucking soldiers in a military and treat their weapons in a soldierly manner. I've seen it in person.

AK, AR, if you treat it like shit it's going to work like shit. Period. I'm going to say with confidence that I've seen more AKs and more ARs choke than the number of guns you've actually shot.

>>31478202
>Didn't even bring up the cam pin.

Fuck off no guns faggot.

>>31478177
Are you really saying the ak and its variants are better than the ar15 and it's variants?

>>31478211

>Overlooked the smallest of all

Extractor Pin.

Wow you must airsoft.

>>31478205
>Chinese is THE everything for that region.
Type 56 is the most given away rifle during that period, nowadays you wouldn't find modern chinese shit in it.
>AK, AR, if you treat it like shit it's going to work like shit. Period.
I'm not going to treat my AK like shit, but the point remains, if treated like shit, the AK will still work more than AR ever will.
>I'm going to say with confidence that I've seen more AKs and more ARs choke than the number of guns you've actually shot.
Keep that confidence to yourself, no one need it.

>>31478216
I handle type 56 and AKM, and it's definitely better than the 'Nam M16 I shot.

>>31478222
>Complete disassembly is a field requirement.
Good to know. The AK is absolute dogshit. Needing to bring a press into the field to remove the barrel? IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR!

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>>31478177
>Yeah, because I work with antique weapons have fired over thousand of rounds
>I work
So a snobby range lord.

Ever seen a tan man fire a 1950's AKS AT another tan man from close range?

I know good and well old ass AK's work. So does the rest of our old worn out ass shit. Shoot, move, communicate, kill. I'll be sure to collect up some antiques to send you.

>>31478237

Oh ok.....well thanks for the historical reference but the AR has come a long way since then.

>>31478241

I was speaking of ARs.

But i wasnt clear enough so thats on me.

>>31478237
So are we comparing arbitrary period pieces or their descendants? I'm confused. Because if you're comparing a post nam m16 to any akm and telling me the akm is a better rifle because "muh reliability" you should kys.

>>31478252
Even the best AR would never come close to the AKM in term of reliability.

>>31478262
>My gun is shit tier but that isn't the topic
KEK!

>>31478274
not true at all, I'd bet $1000 my ar would be more reliable than a medium priced AK

>>31478177
Unless you're Ian that means fuck all. Thinking shooting over a thousand rounds is a big deal makes me doubt everything you say about having any real experience. Do you even own any personal firearms?

>>31478305
Care to test that up?

DDI AK vs your $1000 AR?

>>31478277
>>31478277

No...no. i was just reminding you that there was a smaller pin in the AR than the one you mentioned.

Are you ok?

>>31478309
Nope, but I have my experiences with antiques.

And these antiques were already rusted out PoS.

>>31478313
my 1000 dollar ar >>31477445

>>31478325
How do you suppose we should test this?

You buying a DDI and testing them?

>>31478330
I could if you really want me to (sarcasm)
I'm thinking about getting a scar17 atm

>>31478393
Never mind then.

>>31477329
No, but I'd like the get an MR556A3 when it comes out and an MR556A1 for a recce-type rifle (non-chrome lined barrel).

>>31477608
That's not what he is saying. HK's 416 design fixes or reduces most if not all of the problems associated with piston AR's, but it requires the entire package. Forgot what exactly is different but something about the buffer tube or something around there is different to mitigate carrier tilt, so slapping a 416 upper on a normal AR lower will reintroduce the tilt problem.

>>31478421
They didn't actually solve the tilt issue. They mitigated it and added material to the buffer tube so it takes longer to shut the gun down from wear.

>>31478421
But they make the MR556A1 which is made to fit on AR lower.

Don't piston ARs tend to be heavier than standard DI guns?

>>31477445
That was not the MR556's piston's fault, that was the fault of the barrel. Who would have thought that non-chrome lined barrels don't hold up well to magdumps.

>>31478447
Yep, but not by much.

People tend to favor reliability over a little weight.

>>31478432
That is exactly what I said, that they mitigated it.

>>31478441
Never said they weren't compatible, yes the uppers will fit and function but doing so reintroduces the tilt issue fully.

>>31477366
>Also note that the only things a piston AR has over a DI one is less wear on moving parts when suppressed or running a very short barrel.
>So if you're using neither, there is no reason why you wouldn't get a cheap, standard, run out the mill AR that will serve you just as well.
This.

But the HK416/417 is more reliable than the MCX according to the French military trials and the CSASS program.

DI is perfectly fine for 99% of our troops.

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2000 round torture test, my AR vs any AK, loser pays for ammo plus an extra thousand.

Bring it take a fags.

>>31478467
I wonder what DIfags will say in the future when US adopts a piston-gun.

I mean, that's pretty much the foreseable future now, every modern assault rifles are piston (except the VHS-2) and especially if they adopt the LSAT.

>>31478488
How fast is your trigger finger?

>>31478466
>That is exactly what I said, that they mitigated it.
You said it mitigated carrier tilt. The buffer tube does nothing to mitigate carrier tilt. It's just a sacrificial lamb with extra material. The skids on the BCG and relief cuts to the upper receiver are what "reduce" carrier tilt.

>>31478467
Proof? The MCX could have been 4x the cost for all we know. Contracts don't get awarded based on performance beyond the requirements in the military.
>But the HK416/417 is more reliable than the MCX according to the French military trials and the CSASS program.

>>31478488
I'll take my DDI or Arsenal/Vepr to the test.

>>31478500
Fast enough to keep your mom happy, but I'm talking about torture testing with field conditions not just melting the gun.

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>>31478518
If you don't do it, you're just a faggot with a big mouth now.

ARs are so reliable that even my german OA15 SBR shot 800rounds suppressed no cleaning, no lubrification without a single malfunction. So yeah. "Unreliable".

>>31478580
800-2000 rounds ain't shit m8.

Fuck, you have a shitty ass RAS47 that survives that far.

>>31478323
>Nope
I have to congratulate you for leading the whole thread as long as you did, that was decent shitposting by any standard

>>31478518
Set the time and place, I don't even clean my AR before I go.

>>31478603
It's not shitposting though.

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>>31478488
will also throw in PIC related to test (you guys 25% ammo)

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>>31478599
"survives" kek
>>31478612
DO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>31478654
It's two thousand rounds per gun timed event field conditions over a three-day weekend. You can do whatever you want to the gun you can maintain it however you want but when the actual shooting starts you are on the clock from start to finish, any malfunctions will take lots of time to clear so the better rifle will take less time to finish the course. I have no idea how clear everything is but I'm talking into my phone so no idea if it'll actually make any sense.

>>31477754
>The MCX jammed multiple times during the club shooting

Got source to go with that?

>>31478467
>according to the French military trials

Rumor has it that the guns weren't actually tested, that the whole thing was a bidding competition inteded to have HK win no matter what. It wouldn't surprise me if that was true, lobbying and corruption of officials go a long way in France.

>>31479278
We know for sure that there was a bit of testing.

>>31479278
I don't think the mcx would hold a candle vs a 416 desu

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>>31478072

Where do you get gotestickers?

>>31478088
yes. it can. Unfortunately, I have neither 18 years or 500 bucks to waste on proving a retard on the internet wrong.

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>>31479365
We also know it was a politically driven affair.

The HK is a fine rifle.
It may not be the best, but if not, it's not off by much

>>31478158
is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU

>>31480918
>Muh mud test that is admitted to not be taken seriously are superior than thhe US Military's test
https://www.full30.com/video/8fe5f0bb6a5e00acdc75e2c21c0bb2e8

>>31481142
>Muh 18 years in dirt mattering

>>31478108
>Elmer Fudd can rest easy tonight

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>>31479971
I got a half dozen from some custom sticker company online.

>>31477895
>>31477957
kikes go plz

>>31481968

show us your gote tattoo

>>31477366
>>31477406
>>31477607
Where has this been proven?

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>>31482299

Shooter's Sig MCX jammed during the Orlando shooting and he had to switch to a handgun.

>>31477754
Show me

>>31477459
what do you mean "we finally got DD RIS II though"? is it standard now or something?

>>31477814
Where did you get your new bolt fitted?

>>31477754
>>31482409

Heard it 2 times now on /k/, zero evidence given. Maybe if you guys repeat it 3 times it will magically become true.

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>>31477876

>>31482409
Says some guy on the internet. Show me a better source.

>>31482409
Your source is literally, literally a hysterical faggot.

>>31482588

top kek

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Can anyone explain to me how a gas piston rifle retro-fitted with a short piston system continues to win government contracts over the rifle designed, from the ground up, around a short piston?

>>31477562
98% of their equipment is handmedowns from the army...

>>31482874
It's cheaper, more conventional and ultimately more reliable.

all this reliability autism fit is unnecessary

it doesn't matter if the gun still fires if you have to get balls deep before you can reliably hit anything under the best of conditions

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>>31482280

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>>31483648

holy shit the absolute madman

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>>31483818
No ragrets, gote is love, gote is life.

>>31478125
I don't need locking lugs anymore anyway

>>31477708
C8 IUR?

>>31478453
But theyre less reliable.
See>>31480918

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>>31481142
I'd take being able to function in some mud over being able to use it after burying it for 18 years. AK's btfo

>>31477690
That was an sks.

>>31483648

You are a true hero

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>>31483648

are you fucking serious right now

>>31482580
>>31482588

If you won't believe eyewitness accounts there's really no other way to verify this. Police were not on the scene at the time and there was no video surveillance or anything.

Osprey Piston

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>>31477957
>IDF bro
Get out.

>>31477352
>long stroke
kill yourself

>>31477573
you must be new

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>>31477329
Adcor makes some nice uppers.

>>31478013
What kind of muzzle devices are those?

>>31483648

I wanted to say you should crop pics so that they can't be reverse-searched for maximum effect, but with how gullible /k/ is it probably doesn't really matter.

Bumping for more discussion.
>>31486561
Heard some good things about it, wonder how it would fare against a DI gun without the Osprey.

>>31477493
Where's the laughing Russian Singer Meme when you need him...

>>31487693
Do not hate the long-stroke man.

>>31477497
>most hardy and robust
Not better
Fucking Kek dude just literally kill yourself please.

>>31487722
A hardy and robust thing does is better than a non-hardy and robust thing.

>>31477779
Are you saying they breast feed AKs ??

>>31477457
>SCAR is more expensive than HK416 with only benefit being folding stock though.
SCAR has many changes that benefits reliability, durability and full auto recoil mutigation.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?62889-SCAR-vs-AR-A-detailed-look

>>31477630
Do people really still believe this

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>>31487584
My new off-work hobby is seeing how little effort I can get away with shitposting here. So far there's no bottom to this rabbit hole.

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>>31478035
"This is a non issue..."

ITS STILL ISSUES

take your (you) pleb

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>>31478153
"They are only issues to armchair commandos..." you made me do this twice now, pleb

>>31477872
No gun, ever, ak or ar, will work after being buried with zero protection for 18 years.
This meme needs to die.

>>31488590
You literally just need to say 9mm>.45 or ak>ar. Or vice versa. Like literally 5 characters, and you'll start an argument. Hell, i challenge you to start one with less.
Please don't disappoint. I want to see this.