What's better; a double stack of weak ammo or a single stack

>>31469723
How many times do you plan on missing Jamal

Which is better? A formula 1 race car or a haul truck?

In a common caliber pistol? Weak ammo. Shot placement > penetration > energy, and the ballistic difference between defensive loads and ball ammo is surprisingly negligible most of the time.

Rifles? Stronk ammo. No one wants icepick cavities again.

>>31469823
>icepick cavities
>what is M193 from a +16" barrel
>what is .300BLK from a >14.5" barrel

>>31469723
>implying you retain your marksmanship skill while being charged or thrashed about
More rounds = kill things more deadder

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>>31469723

a double stack of powerful ammo, duh

>>31469723
.22LR master race

>>31469723

A double stack of powerful ammo.


But seriously a double stack is better than single stack.

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>>31469723
Both.

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Double stack of powerful ammo.

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>>31469723
It totally doesn't matter as long as you have adequate penetration for the job at hand.
Delta Elite is pretty damn awesome though. One of the coolest guns ever!

I don't understand how /k/ thinks there's a "debate" about which calibers are effective.

You do realize it has already been empirically tested countless times, right? You could do the testing yourself, in your own back yard. You can buy ballistic gel powder and mix it at a ratio equivalent to what the FBI does in their testing, at the same temperatures, and shoot it on the same time frame. You can literally do this in your backyard on your day off if you're autistic enough.

Take advantage of the professionals (and people with way too much time on their hands) who have already done this. Just google/youtube it. There are bullets and calibers that are PROVEN the most effective created thus far.

For instance: If you're shooting 9mm and want a defensive round on an unarmored target - there is a corresponding bullet that is considered the most effective round, period.

124 Grain HST jacketed hollow points.

There is a corresponding bullet for each "scenario" that has already been proven the most effective by people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about. It's ludicrous that the 50% nogunz population of /k/ isn't aware of it and thinks there's a "discussion" that needs to be had.

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>>31469723
A quadruple stack drum of really weak ammo.

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>>31471807
This.

my only regret in life is that there are no double stack .357 mag pistols out there.

>>31472080

We're aware, but how many posts would there be if we didn't argue the same ole' retreaded arguments over and over again?

We bicker like old men for something to do.

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>>31472108
>But .357 isnt very powerful

>>31472125
That's what knife threads are for, anon.

>>31472108
.357 carbine when? Semiauto 44 carbines when?

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>>31472080
>There is a corresponding bullet for each "scenario" that has already been proven the most effective by people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about. It's ludicrous that the 50% nogunz population of /k/ isn't aware of it and thinks there's a "discussion" that needs to be had.

So I'll just ask people to rob me without body armor from exactly 50 feet away while wearing a certain type of flannel shirt when I have my 9mm loaded with a particular load of bullet. That is totally useful and relevant to anything at all.

>>31469723
Stopping power isn't a meme. Ask all the dead Flips that brought stopping power to the discussion table.

>>31472250
>cop is killed by a .22
>nigger shot with 5 rounds of .357 mag and lives
checkmate.

>>31472186

Ruger made a semi .44 mag carbine for the longest time.

>>31469723

With peestols

If you have a mag cap law, take the bigger ammo you can.
If you have no mag cap, take capacity where possible.

If you can CC it competently, do what you can.

>>31471807
This guy gets it

>>31472270
Luck of the draw

>>31472361
So you admit shot placement is what matters?

>>31469723

If it meets FBI standards, I'll take the weaker round.

.32 ACP or better is all I really ask for. I've carried less and felt pretty well-armed. Put one in the boiler-room and you're good to go.

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I neeeeeeeeed

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I dont even like 1911s but i need one

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>>31472544
They're nice.

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>>31472566
Gib

>>31469723
You must be implying modern 9mm is weak.

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>>31472579
You gib.

>>31469723
Are you fighting rats or bears?

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>>31472598
Gib

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MFW energyfags still exist in the current year

Pistol cals are about the same performance freindo. I will say that 10mm is obviously more powerful, but it's just not needed.

>>31472621
WTF, why is your Delta upside down?

>>31469757
For what job?

>>31472687
For what?
You need adequate penetration, beyond that it doesn't matter but you need the penetration to a point. So 10mm is a great choice if you need some penetration.

>>31471795
I'm sure the jury is going to understand why you had to poke 19 .22" holes in jamal to stop him.

>>31472687
last time I shot a hog in the skull with 9 it didn't work

>>31472723
if 21 rounds didn't eliminate the threat, then he's fully justified in the 22nd

>>31472221
Jamaal tends not to wear body armor (or vest) when he robs you. The most you'd have to shoot through is a denim or puffy jacket. So for the "CC for self-defense" scenario, the recommended defense rounds should be adequate.

If you get unlucky and end up being the one guy who gets robbed by someone wearing a vest, aim for the pelvis or neck/head. Any round that hits there is also likely to be effective.

If you're expecting to have to shoot through vests or armor, then you're probably trying to shoot cops or a rival drug crew and you should just turn your pistol around.

>>31472738

Same, but with a .45 ACP.

>>31472752

Same, but with a 5.56 NATO

>>31469751
FPBP

>>31472455
FBI
Standards.
They obviously have low ones.

>>31472897
Same, but with .308

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>>31472544

Anyone else have nostalgia with that towel in the background?

Nostalgia made from shitty memories, but nostalgia nonetheless.

>>31472922

They do alright. A bullet doesn't have to be very powerful to break a bone and clock the vitals. Killing stuff in a reasonable amount of time is pretty easy. You're not gonna fit anything in your pocket that will completely reverse a man's momentum.

>>31472954

Same, but with a 12x99 NATO.

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Why is it that when shot placement is brought up no one mentions that larger bullets occupy a larger space and therefore can be placed in a larger area and still be effective?

Why not shoot the biggest damn bullet you can, but only give the cartridge enough power to penetrate 16 inches to keep recoil manageable

>>31473983

.38/200 and .455 go home.

>>31469723
I'm assuming you mean a single stack of rifle ammo vs a double stack of pistol ammo.

Because even 10mm is weak compared to typical rifle ammo.

I'll take the rifle.

>>31469723
>not double stacking 10mm like a fucking man
theres the real issue

>>31472700
GOOD FUCKING QUESTION

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>>31473983
Because then you have to make a gun bigger.
CCing a gun isn't about what it shoots, it's about having something concealable (well, concealable enough for your environment and /fa/ choices) that'll do the job. if it can hold 15+1, it's only a bonus.

>>31472090
The DP-28's great-great nephew.

>>31473068
I remember holding my brush out and holding my rifle out with my arms straight like frankenstein. And moving the rifle up and down against the brush to clean it, while in the squat. Shit was so gay

>>31471848
I could get behind the idea of .22LR if there was a centerfire version that was at least as hot as .380 and had a high enough capacity to make up for the small wound. Call it "5.5x25mm" or some shit like that. Basically I just want FN's 5.7mm cartridge in a round nose / ball format without being expensive as fuck. Fuck it, I'm getting too picky. Might as well just go buy a PMR-30 with a 100-round extendo.

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>>31473206
Same but with 800mm HESH

Heavier calibers offer more consistient and effective penetration of intermediate barriers as well as living targets through these.

I'd rather have to pump one 230 grain slug through auto glass, for example, than spray 3 9mm's and have them all be deflected.

>>31472723

Beats having the do a minute report about how Jamal decided to culturally enrich you and rape your SO

>>31475472
.22 TCP.

>>31474063
Not tadai poppy

>>31472080

>praying top the gelatin God this hard

When Jello gets uppity, these tests will be relevant.

Strasbourg tests shot actual living goats, and 9mm was btfo.

>>31472581

Implying modern 9mm has any more pressure than it did in 1973.

No one changed the saami specs.

Stop believing the "modern 9mm ammo" meme. All the best rated 9mm ammo has been available since the mid 90's.

Also, any objective ammo test will show how often hollowpoints fail to expand as advertised.

>>31469723
>handguns
it's a choice between weak and a little weaker

>>31469723
What's better, having 7-8 rounds or 15-17

>>31469723

porque no los dos?

>>31478371
Also, bullet tech has advanced a lot. This plays to the advantage of cartridges that fire bigger ones.

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>>31472687
>I will say that 10mm is obviously more powerful, but it's just not needed.
10mm means I don't need a separate pistol for woods carry.

>>31469723
>>31472059
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>>31472579
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>>31472621
Son of a BITCH. I didn't know just how bad I wanted one of these.

>>31478638
I've held one at a gun show and can confirm that they're glorious.

>>31472186
>What are lever action rifles

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>>31474063
Yeah, basically this. Do note, people have really taken to single stack 9's and even .45's because they're easier to carry than the double stacks at times, usually for smaller people/people in need of deep concealment. Logically, to me, I want the best, fastest, biggest bullets I can muster of the thing.

not today, pupper. Not today.

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>>31478815
They're fucking glorious, is what. All that powder out of a barrel long enough to burn it is a thing of beauty.