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do you ever feel guilty about what the America government/army does ?

Also is what america is doing right or wrong?
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>>31466599
>do you ever feel guilty about what the America government/army does ?
Why would I? Geopolitics is a dirty game, we're hardly the only country with blood on our hands
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No, why the fuck would I? I didn't commit any war crimes personally. If you're asking if I'm sympathetic to the plight of those who were permanently disfigured and/or killed by US soldiers then, yeah -- I guess so. You're going to have to be more specific if you want me to answer your other question though.
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>>31466599
>>>/pol/
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>>31466599
>your government did something so you should feel bad about it
>feeling guilty about anything that happens in war and international politics
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>>31466599
why would I feel guilty about somthing I had no part in?
are you retarded?
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>>31466599
As far as /k/ is concerned, the US government can't be evil
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>>31466599
I do, but /k/ is filled with xenophobic neo-cons who think the us government is perfect, so don't expect any good responses.

>Also is what america is doing right or wrong?

Oh you know, just bombing innocent muslims in the middle east.
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>>31466599

Humans kill each other, get over it.
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>>31466675
>As far as /k/ is concerned, the US government can't be evil
>innawoods isn't a thing
>ATF hate doesn't exist
>shitty gov't policy is perfectly fine
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>>31466599
no. a) I have 0 involvement/knowledge of what is happening. 2) there are far worse cunts in the world doing far worse shit, see China.
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>>31466675
Where do you think you are right now?
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>>31467442
>see china

Name me one thing china has done thats anywhere near as bad as what the us and russia has done.
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>do i ever feel guilty for things i've never done, nor have had any influence over
fuck off hippy
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>>31467504
>killed millions on the forced relocation of it's citizens from farms to cities
>annex Tibet through the murder of it's religious cast
>treat it's citizens as livestock first, foremost and only without even trying to pretend otherwise

at least try to post good bait, kid.
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>>31467504
>what is Mao's entire chairmanship
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>>31467504
see: pretty much this entire article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
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>>31467170
>>31466675
>i have only been on /k/ for 20 minutes
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>>31466599
No, because at the end of the day I have no control over our government and neither does anyone else on /k/. Being upset over things that happened in the far flung past is for losers anyways.
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>>31467170
I thought about refuting your shit, but then decided to stop that, and post a picture instead, because you are either a goob, troll or idealist. and the latter two can refer to the first.
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>>31466599
Guilt? No.
But since the end of the Cold War the government exclusively has worked against the American Citizens.
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>>31467170
>innocent muslims

when will this meme die
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>>31467504
An Lushan Rebellion
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>>31466599
No. Most of the shit either benefitted us or the top brass. If anything, it helped us become more influential to gain materials for cheap. I honestly don't care much about other countries unless it'll effect us in the homefront or our allies.
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>>31467685
>Guilt? No.
>But since the end of the Cold War the government exclusively has worked against the American Citizens.

Pretty much this.

Shit happens but damn if i'm gonna gel guilty over something someone else did. What, am I supposed to feel white guilt too because of something someone else's ancestors did too?
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>>31467658
>Oh no, im too stupid to refute what he said!
>I know, i'll pretend like i was and post a image!

Faggot

>>31467696
The vast majority of muslims are not bad people and just want to live there lifes.
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>>31466599
Not really. In fact I get upset we never go hard enough and take advantage of our pseudo imperialism and military hegemony to straight up annex the rest of the world and raise up hundreds of millions of white american settlers to colonize every country that has our military bases. Like right after ww2 when we had shitloads of troops everywhere and we were the only one with nukes.
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>>31467747
>The vast majority of muslims are not good people and just want to live there lives, under Islamic laws.
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>>31467170
Git fucked
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>>31467170
Get out
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>>31466599
Go back.to /sg/
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>>31466637
>>31466670
>>31467442
All these "I didn't know Germans". Being a part of American society makes you complicit in the crimes we commit. We are ultimately responsible for our government and you know it.

>>>/pol/ as fuck thought, OP should have made it more specific like the use of napalm or nukes. There's a fascinating story about academic anthropologists figuring out just how much we would have to starve people and destroy their ability to sustain themselves before they became pacified and apolitical during the Vietnam War.
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Sometimes. But then I get in my Hemi Charger gas guzzler and feel better.
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>>31466670
You don't pay your income taxes?
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>>31467504
Disarmed the population.
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>>31467504
A lot anon

But at least those chink always keep.on their own business, so yeah i dont give shit.
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>>31467870
>implying every life horribly taken wasn't delicious to uncle Sam's insatiable hunger and spilling the blood of the innocent doesn't keep our dark hearts beating

Anyways, you've pointed out the problems. What's your solution?
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Contradictory beliefs.

>Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, so I can deport the fuck out of them or use them as slave labor.

I bet Donald would end up using Illegal Immigrants to build that wall. Land of the free, huh?

We have like over ten thousand laws, a million lawyers, and bondsmen are basically bounty hunters.

We have more incarcerated citizens per capita than ANYONE else, unless you think Australia is still a penal colony.

America isn't the land of the free and its socialist as fuck. There might be some kind of balance of economic powers I don't recognize yet.

No freedom of speech when anything you say can used against you. This national system of law is set up to create good liars instead of good people.

Indoctrination in public schools, forced nationalism, etc.

From the days of lewis and Clark where they were prescribed mercury to cure STDs to today where children are chemically lobotomized for school the medical state is a JOKE. They are more likely to hurt than heal, and not only do you not get compensation, you get charged to be physically damaged. The area of mental health has seen countless human atrocities. Ice pick lobotomies were legal only decades ago, and just like children today are forced to take medicine, those people were lobotomized against their will. Covert medication and forced sterilization has recently been used in America, too.

No internet privacy. Everything you do is watched. The spy society in America is ridiculous. A million cops and millions more active and retired military persons.

America seems like its a giant prison and madhouse. I'd bet money that if trump doesn't build a wall, Mexico might one day to keep American asylum seekers from ruining their country. Can you imagine in a hundred years, rich Indians are sick of not being able to understand t American accents of tech support?

Its a fucking WEIRD world.
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>>31466599
Not even a little bit; the relative global stability the US has fostered far out weights any on its sins.

>but muh mud hut inbred goat fucking chill'ns

Suck a dick. You have no concept of what a real war is.
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>>31467882
Taxes aren't voluntary you dumb twat.
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>>31467993
You have many valid concerns that most people dosregard, perhaps because it is it is easier to play by the rules. These and the international aggressions we commit need to be addressed.
Despite all of this, to answer OPs question, yes, I do feel a little guilty. I am but one person of ~300,000,000 in a country where I have little say in what happens to me let alone what our country does. I, like most others, don't take advantage of that say and the result is the only country capable of leading the global unionization for the good of humanity is run by corrupt idiots that exploit their people and the rest of the world.
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Occasionally. I do feel that my government has its head up its ass pretty often and when I hear of certain specific incidents, I can feel bad for the poor schmucks who got blown away. But overall I don't let it get to me, I took a look around the world at countries that bent over backwards to apologize for past atrocities (looking at you Germany) and I realize that if we did that then we would slide further down the road to cuckdom. Also because in the grand game of realpolitik it could be seen as a sign of weakness and I suspect every last motherfucker we may have wronged even slightly will start lining up asking for apologies and some form of compensation. That's a can of worms we do not need.

As for our current course of action in terms of intervention, I wouldn't mind if we pulled back slightly. I feel that ever since Korea we have this mindset of not commiting fully to a conflict, or that if we do we do it in half-hearted increments that only make the war effort more haphazard/unorganized. In particular, Johnson's ramping up of the Vietnam War in very controlled escalations and the troop surges in Iraq/Afghanistan to me suggest that said conflicts were not being thought through and that despite reinforcing our presence in the war, we weren't going full war-mode (i.e., actually having congress declare war). The result is the ginormous clusterfucks we keep getting ourselves entrenched in. As far as our current course of action in the ME, I'd suggest either pulling out in the very near future or go in with the full weight of the military and curb stomp ISIS in its current iteration. They control physical territory, therefore they can be invaded and their infrastructure as a quasi-nation-state can be uprooted and destroyed. In a perfect world we would see some kind of joint Russian-American-Syrian effort, but we don't have that. Either way I want us out soon, when the oil dries up that place is going to be a shitstorm of epic proportions.
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>>31466665
>still blaming nazis for doing what they did
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>>31466599
Fuck no, because I don't play that dirty game. But let me yell yall something. The time is coming for those to pay for the evil shit they are doing. Just seems like the tables are about to turn on those who have been fucking people over for a while. I am just going to sit back and defend my shit while I watch it come down. Anyways, just my 2cents
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>>31467870
t.14 year old gommunist
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>>31467950
Growing up and nationalism I guess. I read that there was a moment in the 70s after Watergate and Vietnam that we almost matured a bit as a nation, but then we sperged like a 10 year old in the 80s with God and gimme gimme gimme.
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>>31467170
>neo-cons
Shut the fuck up, you fucking retard
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>>31467747
>vast majority of muslims are not bad people
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>>31468205
>Growing up
Explain
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>>31467170
>people living under the same roof as a known terrorist are totally innocent guise

>being Muslim
>being innocent

Lmao pick one
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>>31467882
I've never paid net income taxes. Basically, if your income is low enough, you make a short term loan to the federal government from your paychecks and get it all back in March
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>>31467170
sauce on picture
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>>31467870
>>31467882
why do both of you assume I even live in america?
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>>31468488

>loan
>implying you see the interest

You're being fucking ROBBED, dude.
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>>31468488
Kek, dude, you sure do suck
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>>31466599
>10
Is it just a "best of" list?
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>>31467504
this pictures proportion is fucked. USA is like 50x bigger yet has 2.5x more nukes. propaganda. pls visit china thanks! china strong china best ok.
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Sometimes. Which always gives me a weird feeling because my parents came from the most infamous example of American foreign policy fucking up.
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>>31466599
Nah
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>>31467504
Tiananmen Square
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>>31468646
pray tell where are your parents from?

You can't just leave it at that, you gook.
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>>31468773
>you gook
That's about right, they're from Vietnam. Though my mom who's technically Chinese never had a day of hardship in her life and doesn't give a shit about politics in general. And my dad who did hates communists with a passion.
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>>31467170
>Oh you know, just bombing innocent muslims in the middle east.
That's not their intention, and they only kill a few innocents.

We're not going over there and hosing down villages full of babies with Apaches, despite what screeching campus Marxist type bitches think.
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>>31468370
>theoretical source
wew
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>>31468858
Is this better for you anon senpai
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>>31468858
Or this
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>>31467870
So all the German people were responsible for the crimes committed by their government?

Hoo boy...
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>>31466599
Don't call them "war crimes". Call them "Enhanced Freedom(tm)-Spreading Events"
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>>31466599
I didn't vote for anyone presently making those decisions.
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>>31467870
Thanks Facebook McGee
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>>31466599
Considering the only relevant powers are
>USA
>Russia
>China
I really don't give a shit what other countries think, especially the NATO countries that haven't even bothered to keep to their promise of spending 2% of their GDP to NATO.
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>>31467993
tl;dr
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>>31466599

Army still has a better track record than the US PDs do, and that's all that matters: if you're complaining about our job overseas, wait till' you see the boys we leave back home, then see if it's still worth complaining about.
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>>31467993
>contradictory rules

>thinks sucking MERCURY will heal anything
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>its war dawg
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>>31468893
>>31468906
No, this is not better. It's just numbers there is nothing explaining their methodology for collecting the stastics, who did it and when

That's not a source that's just a sheet with numbers on it that looks like it could be a source. That has the same amount of credibility as an excel document from me saying that jews were only 2% of individuals killed in the holocaust.
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>>31468931
You know how "I didn't know" and/or "I was just following orders" turns out. If you're popular like Lt Calley, you get away with it. Unpopular like post-war Germany? Enjoy your collective guilt.
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>>31469348
Huh, i must have missed the war trials where every single German citizen was convicted.

Weird.
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>>31468175

I don't
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>>31466599
>American warcrimes
>IDF caricature in photo

Go take in some more refugees to ease your white guilt, captain Europe.

>>31468524
It's megumin from Konosuba, also best girl.

>>31467870
Antifa needs to be classified as a mental illness.
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>>31469367
I know this is 4chan, but please don't dissemble. Germans did experience collective guilt after the war, and they are regarded with suspicion to this day. They even regard themselves with suspicion ffs.
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>>31466599
its not a crime if you win
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>>31469235
google ''pew Q79a'' you'll even be able to see the ones I didn't post (:
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>>31466599
No, why would I?

Morality is a human construct.
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>>31469222

Maybe one day in a few hundred years people will think our modern medicine is just as stupid as drinking mercury looks to us. Who knows.

A few hundred years ago people thought tomatoes were poisonous because they were part of the nightshade family.
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>>31466599
>another British top 10 list channel with a massive hateboner for America for no apparent reason
what's the point?
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>>31470219
>Maybe one day in a few hundred years people will think our modern medicine is just as stupid as drinking mercury looks to us.
no.

they might think it's primitive, but with the exception of chemo, nothing is as bad as sucking mercury. but at least chemo can work sometimes.

Modern medicine while filled with side effects, does work.
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>>31466599
>Implying war crimes should even be a thing
Having rules in wars is the dumbest shit, and a lot of war could have actually had A LOT less blood shed had they not existed. Bull shit things like "Don't fire until fired upon" and can't use that super effective weapon because napalm sticks to kids. War is a bitter ugly thing and trying to fill it with rules like some sort of children's game does nothing but endanger those who play by those rules. Also, let us not forget about 95% percent of these so called American war crime are either total BS due to commie and musie propaganda because they learned in NAM the best way to defeat a superior force is paint them the bad guy to the international community. You can be an absolute save who rapes women and children and later beheads them, but if you post pics of a kid who got blown to bits after you put rockets in his school house you get sympathy from those who don't know dick.
t. Ex-Muslim who fucking grew up in iraq during the Saddam days
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>>31470288
Pretty sure it something about losing their position as the most powerful nation in the world to a bunch of ex-peasants who saved their asses.
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>>31468551
>not living in America

Lmaoing at your life
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>>31467504
Harvesting the organs of Falun Gong
/Falun Dafa practitioners.
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>>31466599

Cite which definition of war crime we are applying and I'll have the list to you within 5 minutes.

Exact citation, or full text for sake of clarity.

Look forward to it.
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>>31470769
War crimes only apply to losers and the only people who whine about them are people who don't know what qualifies as a war crime.
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Yes, funding ISIS and islamic rebels.

That has always been a bad move.
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>>31467170
Dammit anon you could have shown k that there are some rational people on here and spread the love but you had to trigger the (as you said) xenophobes with the world MUSLIM. Goddammit anon, one step at a time!
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>>31471172
>everyone that does not think like me is irrational
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>>31467170
I wish we would just bomb them, instead we actively supply them.

This was the mistake of Reagan back in the 80s, and it still is now.
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The only action committed by the US that I am eminently ashamed for is supporting and defending the genocidal pedo cult known as Judaism and supplying it's pet apartheid state of Israel.
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>>31466599

>do you ever feel guilty about what the America government/army does ?
Yes
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>>31466599

No, because I don't believe in guilt by association.
Even if I did, the only things I'm embarrassed by are bad decisions, not """war crimes""".
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So was this just another failed American bashing thread?

God I'm American and even I can think of better ways to insult my country, poor form op.
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>>31471531
Name some?
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>>31471539
Well I mean Christ you've got outlet absolutely crazy religious fanatics like westburo, you could go for the classic obesity/fat jokes, how our media is a fucking joke and incredibly biased in many cases, no even to go into how many cities are literal shitholes filled with corruption and laziness or fuck about the issues with drugs and Mexico!

I don't hate my country, I love it, but it has its issues and if you want to insult it like most of you do, please, don't be lazy, we at least deserve that.

God Bless America
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>>31468893
I'd like to see those numbers for the Americas.
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>>31466599
i dont feel guilty for what others do.

and i dont feel guilty for what my Apache did or is still doing to them.
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>>31467870
Everyone on this planet had sinful ancestors. If you didn't you never would have been born.
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>>31466599
I just don't think too hard about it. I'm not Jewish so I'll never be in a position to impact it either way.
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>>31468580
>410 vs 10,500
>2x410 = 820
>10,500 - 820 = 9,680
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>>31466599
I don't feel guilty for a crime I didn't commit.

Do I agree with everything America is doing? No, but I have no say over it so no point in pondering over the politics and problems.
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>>31467882
You might have had a chance at convincing me, with this argument, if the money was still mine after the govt took it.
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>>31467504
Cannibalizing their own civilians, working 8 year old children to death with no pay and putting hammocks under their windows to prevent them their right to kill themselves, skin dogs and cats alive and leave them skinless to die of shock after all while posing with the animal in selfies, Mao and every single thing he does and ever did, attacked the country that saved their ass from extinction for being at war with North Korea.
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>>31469348
Japan got away with it by not being SJWs with guilt pussy.
You saying you want America to end up like Germany and spread it's ass for Muhamed to come marching on? Or like Japan?
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>>31467504
We're talking about the same "China", right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
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>>31467870
>We are ultimately responsible for our government and you know it.

That's wrong, though. Check back in when I get to authorize any of my government's actions.
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>>31475110
annnnd screencapped.
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>do you ever feel guilty about what the America government/army does ?
Not American, so definitely not.

>Also is what america is doing right or wrong?
Reasonably wrong. America is a case study into why the decisions surrounding war should be made by a unsympathetic, dispassionate, technocratic committee made up of economists and generals. Both so we can avoid making stupid decisions like invading Iraq, which was protested by literally tens of millions of people worldwide, and stupid decisions that follow that like doing nothing in Syria.

It's like Somalia & Rwanda all over again at this point.
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>>31467747
>>31467170
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePQfIm9NtI
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>>31476630
> [...] Gets ([...]) Owned!
Every YouTube video with that sort of title is absolute garbage. No exceptions.

Also, this thread has now reached terminal NazIP.
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>>31476623
>unsympathetic, dispassionate, technocratic
unsympathetic, dispassionate, technocratic please stop using emotive arguments in a rational situation. You could have cited "uneducated people unqualified to make a decision" but you went for irrational feelings. shot yourself in the dick there feelmo.
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>>31476655
Its not about the title, its about the content. The video itself is relevant to the discussion. Maybe if you weren't busy defending a race of backwards savages then you might understand that.
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>>31476659
>unsympathetic, dispassionate, technocratic
>emotive arguments
I think you should crack open a dictionary.
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>>31468175
Of course I blame the nazis.
Losing the war was unforgivable.
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>>31466599
Do you drive a car? Do you go home and fuck a bitch all night? Are you not living under shiria law? Well you can thank your local American for that. We supply the world (mostly ourselves) with oil and natural gas, we make sure you live an easy and comfortable life by producing better things because of our geopolitics, as well as killing off the sand niggers responsible fore making your country shit, resulting in you being jealous of our great nation being so amazing.

Now fuck off, Bjorn. No one cares.
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>>31476681
but afghanisthan was a beautiful country just like usa only for evil dooer usa to fund the taliban and bin laden and fuck the country up

also usa has sanctions and is behind poorer countries getting access to oil and energy.

if your living under shiria law you can thank usa for that lol
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>>31466599
>Feel guilty

Why would I?

>Also is what america doing right or wrong?

Is what that america is doing right or wrong? There are some things the government does I approve of. There are others I do not. This is a dumb question.
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>>31471476
haha
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I dont feel guilt but I can sympathize why a rice farmer or a goat shagger who cant even read would want to kill us and drive us from their lands.

The US is not a force for good, it is simply a lenient Empire and the things it does ensures prosperity and dominance of our society at the expense of the others.

I will say though that it is distasteful both morally, counter productive on the ground and a waste of money to kill civilians whether by accident or malice. Or for that matter to supply and arm militias with dubious moral qualities to achieve our aims.
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>>31476705
The Taliban didn't even exist when the USA was playing tooth fairy, they only emerged after the Soviets left as the children who grew up in war, many of them weren't of the older generation that actually fought the Soviets with American backing, but came of age at the end of the war and subsequent civil war.

Pakistan has much more to blame than America anyway, Pakistan's secret service is a nepotistic network of the hardline minority branch of Islam in Pakistan, and are often at direct conflict with the civilian government.
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>Feeling guilt for what other people do

???
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>>31476681
Easy and comfortable life.... some people have to earn their shit like everyone else.. the gubment doesn't give free shit to everyone, they steal shit from hard working honest citizens .. fuck you faggot, and fuck your NWO.
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>>31476747
yeah agree also guess who started funded and trained there spy network it was CIA also there spy group ISI is based on cia

they use drugs to fund there programs just like cia lol
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>>31472057
Google ''pew Q79a'' for more polls like that but I believe they only polled muslim countries
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>>31466599
No.

It's above my pay grade. You fucking shits couldn't stomach some of the things I've done. Someone had to do it, it wasn't going to be you. You're too busy with your false superiority complex and calling me a welfare queen as you jack off to interracial cuck porn.

Then you have the audacity to ask questions about how you can "operate operations". Fucking clowns.
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>>31469405
>dumb euros feel guilt over something they had zero to do with

Well fuck, i refuse to pay for the sins of my father.
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>>31476725
>The US is not a force for good, it is simply a lenient Empire and the things it does ensures prosperity and dominance of our society at the expense of the others.

Yet the US is really the only major military power that really focuses on international relief efforts after disasters. Everyone else is either absent or sends the most token force.
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>>31468175
>still blame the nazis don't blame the germans
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>>31477387
You will probably burn in hell. I bet alot of bad things already happen to you.
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>>31476630
>America's genocide of the native americans not mentioned
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>>31478399
As the warrior poet Billy Joel said in Only the Good Die Young:

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.
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>>31478935
Sounds fun, but I won't join your denbof thieves.
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>>31466599

I don't feel guilt for actions I have not performed and am not responsible for.

As for your second question, you'll have to be more specific. America is doing a lot.
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>>31467170
lurk more
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>>31466599

No, why should I?
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>>31467170
>muslim
>innocent
nice bait
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>>31468524
konosuba is shit
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>>31470460
>there are other ex-muslims on /k/
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>>31468370
>we questioned every single muslim in the world
Uhuh.

>pew forums
Oh.
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>>31468893
>>31468906
The reason why these suck in general though is they ignore the fact that 3rd world countries are rife with violence no matter what the local religion is. Not to mention that is makes suppositions about muslims from other nations without any evidence to back them up.

There's a reason why everyone considers Phil a joke, and the fact that he always posts those should tell you something.
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>>31476655
you called out a poster for posting an image instead of refuting an argument.

now you resort to name calling as you fail to endure the conversation.

also. Propane. asshole.
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>>31467993
I don't understand what wrong with the cops and military?
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