Why does the IDF have such a snazzy uniform and what shade of

>>31466152
nice try joo shill.

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>>31466174
Back to /pol/ you go

>>31466152
I've always wondered what those weird turban looking hats are.
Are they for the sun?
Are all IDF personel issued with tactical afros?
Do they keep their shekels in them?
Tactical bean bag chairs?
Can someone enlighten me please.

>>31466276
They wear those chef hats because they're too fucking dumb to just use scrim
Actually, on this note, why do bongs seem to make use of scrim shitloads?

>>31466276
>tactical mcdonald staff hairnets.
Its for the Kosher I suppose.

>>31466208
good goy

>>31466276
Breaks up their outline though as others have said, they could just scrim their helmets.

>>31466276
Breaks up the human outline. The shape of a human is very distinct. Silhouette that chef hat and you may well be looking at a tree or shrub.

>>31466152

Why don't they use camo for their uniforms? Is camo just overhyped and doesn't really produce significant results in actual combat?

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>>31466293
Because if they never used scrim than people would know they wore these ugly shit helmets during the cold war.

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>>31466357
But even now I see a lot of british soldiers that make use of scrim on their helmets
It's obvious why they do it, I guess it could be a question of why others dont do it so much, but it seems odd the bongs in photos usually always have scrim

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>>31466387
That i have no idea. Though i have seen photos of marines using that camo netting as scrim in Iraq

>>31466562
Yeah man, I just can't get over my obsession with scrim, each morning I wake up and horse my collection of scrim
Then I go to church and thank the good lord for blessing is with scrim, truly scrim has allowed us to surpass our mortal coils

>>31466293
>>31466336
>>31466338
Thanks anons

>>31466293
Lol

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>>31466152
Dude, Israel's uniforms are backwards as fuck. They're straight out of the 1950s and still have useless, cumbersome epaulettes. EVERY SINGLE civilized country on earth uses a camouflage pattern on their combat uniforms. Why? Because it works better and it literally costs 1% more for printing. Israel pretends to give a shit about their soldiers and concealment by dumping their money into floppy chef's hats that are exactly zero percent more effective than using cut up uniform scrim.

Unfuck your army Israel.

>>31466387
they're told to. if you have no scrim you have to get foliage from your environment and that's shit.

>>31466612
Makes sense, it's useful, seems odd that only the bongs care that much about it

>>31466603

It is interesting.

Israel has always seemed very pragmatic, but when it comes to something as simple as camo they're stuck in the 1960s.

Those are very nice brown boots, I've always had a thing for brown boots. Where can I get some?

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Israelis used to wear camo; they stopped because they realized it did jack shit. in a country that is basically OD.

>>31466174
>>31466330
Come home /pol/ack.
>>>/pol/

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>>31467832
>in a country that is basically OD
Confirmed for never having be...just...confirmed retarded.

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Is this Aesthetic?

>>31468315
IMO armor like that is outdated unless your still patrolling ied cities in humvees. I'll take a PC anyday.

>>31468398
It is a plate carrier though. The shoulder pads are removable.

>>31466603
>EVERY SINGLE civilized country on earth uses a camouflage pattern on their combat uniform
>gurka

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Because Israel doesn't have the depth to use maneuver warfare and the threat is Islamic terrorism.

>>31468470
Also Austria. Probably others. Russians run around in Gorka suits all the fucking time but they're not civilized and have a trillion patterns anyway.

>>31466349
Camo is just for fashion. Ugly ugly fashion.

>>31468654

I'm honestly curious as to how effective camo really is. It seems odd that an army has tested as the Israeli would opt out of it.

>>31468683
>>31468654

Found this on wikipedia:

"While patterns can provide more effective crypsis than solid colour when the camouflaged object is stationary, any pattern, particularly one with high contrast, stands out when the object is moving.[13][14] Jungle camouflage uniforms were issued during the Second World War, but both the British and American forces found that a simple green uniform provided better camouflage when soldiers were moving. After the war, most nations returned to a unicoloured uniform for their troops.[2] Some nations, notably Austria and Israel, continue to use solid colour combat uniforms today.[15][16] Similarly, while larger military aircraft traditionally had a disruptive pattern with a darker top over a lighter lower surface (a form of countershading), modern fast fighter aircraft often wear gray overall.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camouflage

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>>31468722
So that's false. The study that the wikipedia page is referring to was conducted in December of 1943 and statements regarding camouflage vs. drab colors only applied to vehicles in motion...AND camouflage patterns were never said to be inferior to Olive Drab in any way shape or form. It clearly states that camouflage painted vehicles will not be concealed IN MOTION. The same is said for Olive Drab. The benefits of obscuring patterns are not detracted from, though they may be downplayed due to the Army's decision to keep vehicles, uniforms, and everything else Olive Drab. Contemporary authorities knew that patterns were more effective. (1) (2) Natick trials which led to the development of ERDL took place in 1948 and US soldiers were issued camouflage helmet covers in war-zones thereafter. Canadian trials which led to the adoption of CADPAT were conducted in the 1994 when research found that disruptive patterns led to a dramatic increase in visual concealment for soldiers. (4)

I'd also like to point out that the sources in that wikipedia page are dubious at best. For example, if you actually look at the "anon, 2012" entry, the only thing that is quoted from the article states is that black is no longer useful for camouflage patterns. It is directly referring to the efforts of the US Army to justify their godawful Universal Camouflage Pattern.

The assertion that solid colors are superior to camouflage patterns that have proper coloration is categorically untrue. It comes about principally because people are emotionally invested in the performance of Olive Drab for some reason.

(1) http://efour4ever.com/cammo.htm
(2) https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/FM/PDFs/FM5-20B.PDF
(3) http://www.hyperstealth.com/camo-improvement/

>>31469006
>posting a picture of the northernmost part of jewland
>thinking one area justifies od even though camo uniforms are better even there

You are a fucking retarded faggot.

Israel is a pretty poor army, they don't spend a lot per soldier because all the budget goes into the air force.

Australia has a higher defense budget and they have 80 F/A-18's.

Israel spends less and has 300 F-16's and 80 F-15's.

>>31469051
People tend to forget that the USMC actually used camo uniforms and the reason the army didn't was because the SS in Europe did.

>>31469083

Well, on the other hand, Israel doesn't spend as much on their navy, and the USA gives them quite a bit of aid toward procurement of US hardware.

The biggest difference is that Australia has a small professional army (less than 50k including reserves), whereas Israel has a large conscript army (over 500k including reserves). Procuring the gear to have enough equipment to potentially field an army that size is the tough part.

>>31466336
>>31466293
it works better than scrim since it complete breaks up the round shape of the helmet
it looks dumb but it works

>>31466276
Breaking silhouette.
ID.
Sun heat protection.
Thermal vision camo.

>>31466603
>Because it works better and it literally costs 1% more for printing
Procuring 15 types of camouflage uniforms costs more than 1%. Nothing triggers military more than wearing mismatching uniforms. 1 standard colour for everyone works ideally for army with big reserve.

Anyway to work really well camo needs to be matched to the terrain, "universal camo" is a joke. And Israel has multitude of terrains from snow to dense dark forests. For those who really need really working camo (recons, snipers etc) they just provide camo suits in colours which could be matched to terrain and mission. It is much more economical and pragmatic way than US introducing new pattern every year for POGs.

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>>31469557
>Anyway to work really well camo needs to be matched to the terrain, "universal camo" is a joke.

Oh god, another one of these retards.

You don't have the faintest idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>31466603
Austria doesn't have camo pattern

>>31469557
>15 different patterns
There's no way in hell an army would need that many.

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>>31469583
>kek

>>31469692
Yeah, put it in arid environments and watch your false god die.

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>>31469557
Let me help you. There are three primary types of camo patterns:

Arid
Woodland
Transitional

The "universal" patterns you're referring to fall into the Transitional category. Yes, by virtue of their combination of arid and woodland environments they work across a broad environmental spectrum. They are not the best in all environments, but they are, in fact, the best in mixed arid and vegetated (transitional) environments. They offer a much greater degree of concealment in arid when compared to woodland and vice versa. They are without a doubt the best patterns to field across diverse environments. There is ZERO debate within the experienced military community as to whether these patterns are better suited towards changing climates, seasons, latitudes, elevations...the list goes on and fucking on.

All of these factors in real operational environments contribute to the immense variation in camouflage needs for the individual soldier. Transitional patterns offer the best solution to that problem.

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>>31469717
>there is no universal camo

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>>31469557
get lernd faggot

>>31469774
All of my this.

>>31472326
holy shit cadpat, you can't even see the dudes legs unless you really focus

>>31466387

It's basically an Army-wide SOP at this point

>>31466152
No ghillie suits... in a camo thread.

>>31466174
Enjoying the debate, Trumpkin?

>>31466276
foreskin replacements

>>31472583
yeah cadpat is the tits, which is why the US army spun it off into marpat so they could go "lol we made this" while basically having cadpat

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i stick with Tigerstripe

>>31469590
Nor does it have a military that's actually useful

>>31472583
>>31475501
he is standing behind the thickest section of grass.

>>31469125
>>31469051
did 1940's have the technology to mass produce uniform with camo pattern?

Pretty much everyone used mono-color except for the "Elite". The german use grey, british khaki, and US olive. The camo were usually issue to units like the paratrooper, SS, and marine, all of whom counted as "elite".

>>31466152
>tfw no qt tactical jewess gf

>>31475889
Marines were not elite and only had camo helmet covers until 1942. Hell, they mostly fought with Springfields in the early months of the Pacific. Even today they're underfunded compared to the army.

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>>31466152

>White socks
>poorly bloused boots

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>>31475889
They certainly had the capability to produce camouflage uniforms. However, the production cost of each piece of clothing was substantially higher and more labor intensive than it is in the modern era.

British paras were often issued smocks that were patterned and colored by hand (this is how the UK's "brushstroke" pattern originated) and that took a lot of time, money, and manpower. The US and other armies decided against camouflage patterns for logistical reasons more often than not. Most European countries went on to adopt patterns immediately after the war when production costs were lower and their economies allowed it.

>>31477022
Bong paras were pretty cool

>>31466276
They're called Mitznefets. They're used to obscure the helmet silhouettes. They move in the wind like branches and tall grass so you 'blend in' more. I also HEARD that they could be pulled over your head as mosquito netting but I am not sure if that is serious.

>>31466603
I hear the reason why they use OD is because Palestinians import a lot of camo and they don't want conscripts being confused and shooting up fellow conscripts.

>>31475880
cadpat is standing in the thinnest section of grass.

multicam is in the waist deep shit.

>>31466387
Why does this dude have 3 sights on his SA-80

>>31475521
Finally someone with taste.

>>31478196
Well just judge it based on the exposed part.

>>31466152
I don't think that anybody even bothred publishing the official color id. Something on the darker spektrum of OD Green.
But practically speaking, it comes in every shade you can just imagine; not only it quickely fades in the sun, but you will probably get the wearhouse guy throw some 40 year old sulrups that some wore during the 73 war (literally) rather than a new pair. "50 shades of green" we call it.

>>31466603
> chef's hats
> zero percent more effective than using cut up uniform scrim
kek.
>>31466588
it also gives shade against the sun. Some doctor told me that since it's introduction, among of people getting a sunstroke during partoles has dropped 13%.

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How operational are these?

>>31479974
Highly effective on muh dick type environments

For being a small country, Israel is prepared to fight in all environments, especially urban and desert, where a conventional camoflauge is less necessary. But they also have to be prepared for wooded/green areas in Lebanon/Syria/Nile Delta, and maybe even alpine fights in the heights near their northeast border.

>>31480698
Would it actually be of any use?

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>>31481052
At getting my dick as hard as possible
Pretty damn well

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Is the lack of scrim and cam cream on US troops purely down to UCP being so awful there's little point in doing so?
Do you think it will change now multicam has been more readily adopted?

Israel uses olive drab as standard for its conscripts because its cheap, second hand, they face very few real threats where "organic" deployment of camo is necessary (policing, checkpoints, etc). I've had a few friends from Israel who've told me about all sorts of shortages, especially for the unusually short or tall types, when it comes to everyday grunt shit, Israel hordes its sheckles - that's why M16s remain standard, they'd have Tavors as standard if they weren't more interested in expanding a) scope of operations in policing the Palis, b) throwing sheckles at R&D and the MI complex

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>>31483087
No american sergeant will allow solders to paint faces.

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So why aren't camouflage uniforms countershaded? If you're standing or kneeling, its useful, if your prone the transition doesn't matter. So why not?

Also there are meant to be 2 ducks in this photo but hell if I can see the other one.

>>31472326
I actually didn't notice the CADPAT guy at first glance.

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>>31483087
>Is the lack of scrim and cam cream on US troops purely down to UCP being so awful there's little point in doing so?
Absolutely.

>Do you think it will change now multicam has been more readily adopted?
Probably.

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>>31466208

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>Gay ass mushroom hats
>Olive drab inna desert because Jews
>Weekend warriors
>Israeli carry
>kneepads where the hell ever

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Theres only ONE reason the IDF uses olive drab and none of you cunts can figure it out obviously

>Its NOT the money
>Its NOT because of Israels landscape

Its only because every possible enemy of Israel wears tons of different patterns. So its just a matter of friend/foe identification and cinsidering that the IDF is a conscript army a pretty reasonable one too.

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>>31485946
That's the most goddamn retarded thing in this fucking thread. THEY CAN WEAR OD TOO you fucking retard. Get this, the official uniform of the PFLP was Olive Drab in the 70's. Yasser Arafat wore OD uniforms all the time. Dumbshit.

>>31485946
Israeli use chef hats for friend/foe identification.

>>31478454
ELCAN 4x telescopic with LDS atop of that.

Eotech on the side for the L17A2.

>>31486133
Maybe its about who has the silliest hat?

>>31472326
Holyshit bunny war uniform

>>31469083
>>31469325
That's because Israel has personnel costs due to conscription and a HUGE amount of hardware is subsidised by the US government.

>>31472326
He he, low resolution photo /10

>>31472326
Would be inerdasting to see if they had lain prone headfirst to camera in the next pic. I'm rooting for the bunny.

>>31466152

>kneepads on ankles
>AESTHETIC

pick one

>>31466152
>what shade of green is it?

Dollar bill green