Are SCAR owners the equivalent of the douche bag with a sports

No, those are MR762 owners.

>>31455085
>following traffic rules
>being a douche

I wish poorfags would leave

ITT: OP is poorfag

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>>31455085
you mad about something poorfag?

>>31455085
No, that's the gucci AR owner.

>>31455112
My thoughts exactly

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>>31455085
The fox is posting again......

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This is now a SCAR appreciation thread.

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>>31455085
Could you define "push their platform"
Because you just come off as salty

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>>31455085

>be me
>ptr 91 at the range
>guy next to me has a .308 POF
>boasts how it is the top end of guns
>fires 1 round at a time of $50 ammo using a nightforce scope and is constantly checking his group
>I have a 4x leupoldn mark AR and shooting Privi
>both groups come out about the same

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>>31455131

>>31455158
Considering POF is not at the "top end of guns" im not surprised.

But the POF does have a lot more features than your PTR.

>>31455153

Shooting alot and often

Something SCAR users refused to do because it might wear out their 3000 dollar gun that was made for shooting alot and often

>>31455189

Aside from the Nightforce scope,t he only features he has over me is better egos which are irrelevant if he is too afraid to actually shoot his gun as intended

>>31455192
I've personally put 2k rounds through my scar and only have had it for a year.

>>31455085
Fuck you for making this shitty thread

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>>31455085

>>31455085
squid is a cool guy though

>>31455210
oh look, the poorfag ar owner showed up, you have a shit gun and don't even shoot it.

>>31455097
Not him but common courtesy is that if you're going to drive slower do it in the other lanes. Use the left lane for passing or speeding (which is technically passing since you're flying by everyone else). Some states and countries even have that as a law

>build a gun that is cheaper to produce than M4(extruded aluminum receiver, polymers, etc
>charge more than premium ARs to civilians

The scars decent, even though it require two extra bolts and a 20" barrel to be accurate, but way over priced. Stupid people buy them, which allows FN to keep raping people. The price should be $1500-2000.

>>31455206
>as intended
ugh

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>>31455234
Find me one (one) .308 that has the same recoil as a 5.56.

Oh wait.

You can't.

>mfw poorfags make baseless assumptions on a gun because of their percieved userbase
>mfw said poorfags probably have no idea who squid even is

>>31455234
I bought mine for about $2900 new.
They are up to 4k now because it's election year.

>>31455234

If it wasn't for Call of Duty literally no one would buy a SCAR, it would be considered another prototype rifle that was passed off and rejected by just about everyone

>>31455255
>poorfags have no idea who squid is
Put squid in your name.
>>31455267
actually it beat out all other competition.

>>31455272

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>>31455234
The 2 extra bolts have zero affect on accuracy, contract requirements put those in
20" Mk20 barrel isnt more accurate than the 16" barrel on the CSR. The pencil barrels on a 17s are like 1-1.5moa, the target barrels do like .5moa
You also clearly have no understanding of how a market operates. Agency level pricing on 16's is like $999, agencies dont care about the "CDI factor". We civvies may, and so if we want one, we pay for it. But look at the high end .308 market, $3000 is normal.

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>>31455276
>it doesn't ban you
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY

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>>31455272

Which is why just about every European country that is upgrading their armories chose the HK416?

>>31455289
The name isn't banned, it's only when you use the name and tripcode that you get a one-month ban

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>>31455267
>it would be considered another prototype rifle that was passed off and rejected by just about everyone

uh huh

>>31455344

SOCOM already dropped the 17's, its only a matter of time until the 16's get dropped off as well if FN can't sell enough to a major buyer to justify production costs

>>31455309
Poland?
MSBS
Germany?
Oh the official replacement for the G36 isnt for like four or five more years?
England?
They are trying to update the SA80 or issue C8s

So its just France, not all of Europe?

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>>31455361
I dont think there is a single factual statement in that entire post. I dont think anon even understands a single thing about the subjects in question either.

>>31455386
He's right that they dropped the SCAR, but it was the 16, not the 17. They used their 16 money to buy more 17s.

>>31455361
Other way around. they ditched the 16s for the most part because they didn't do anything that their ARs didn't already do. the 17s filled the battle rifle niche pretty well though, though there's been no real push to adopt them.

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>>31455085
worthless, butthurt millenial thread.

Tell you what kid, go over to Snipershide and browse through the PX for a while. Those guys buy and sell scopes that cost more than a SCAR and think nothing of it.

The SCAR fills a niche that needed to be filled. It does what it was designed to do. Supply and demand coupled with inflation has its way with prices on popular items that aren't mass produced in multiple countries.

TLDR, it's an excellent rifle and worth every penny, and anyone who has actually put a few mags through one will not be here posting about how "it's a stupid gun and whoever owns one is stupid too" because even they will realize that it is a quality platform and handles unlike any other rifle in its class.

Save your pennies and go buy one, you'll enjoy it. In a few years even $4k is not going to seem like much because inflation. I bought mine for $2200 several years ago.

These chapped ass threads are just pathetic. It is sour grapes all the way.

>>31455403
He said they dropped the 17s though.

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>>31455407
>Squid posting
I bet your bolt is missing a lug.......

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>>31455407

>convincing himself that the sour grapes taste good because he spent so much time and effort to get them to where he can't admit that the effort wasn't worth the reward

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>>31455432
>It takes effort to earn a measly $3k?

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>>31455085
You don't see many torture tests with the scar because they break when you drop them.

For example when the Peruvian military did their drop tests with a loaded mag and the lower cracked open.

Doesn't necessarily make it a bad rifle but they aren't any better than much cheaper alternatives and that in itself is a shitstorm for a lot of FN owners.

Also FN went full retard making the bolt catch area so different to an AR. Makes gen 2 pmags not compatible. And not making the scar h compatible with sr25 mags is also full retard.

>>31455441

No, but it does take effort to convince yourself that buying a overpriced mall ninja gun is going to compensate for your small penis. The mental gymnastics alone must be exhausting

>>31455407
>all that dripping post purchase rationalization vitriol
Tippity top kek.

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>>31455459
Squids penis has been in my butt.
it isn't small

>>31455468
You go ahead and say what you want, I'm sitting on a rifle that has almost doubled in value.

>>31455449
the HK failed the mud test, LWRC failed the sand test. the SCAR passed

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>>31455497

>"I bought it as an investment I swear"
>"there is a bigger idiot out there who will buy it from me"

There are some guys on /biz/ selling bitcoins who would love to talk to you

>>31455407
the SCAR is much cheaper to produce than an AR-15 but is sold for two to three times as much

anyone that buys a SCAR is a chump

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>>31455449
NONE of the rifles passed the Peruvian's test of being dropped from great heights onto concrete.

The SCAR was the ONLY rifle that made it to the final round of the test.

Thanks for proving the point that the SCAR is highly durable.

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I HATE PEOPLE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN MYSELF
Who is with me?

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>>31455459
>overpriced
DD M5v1 - $2900
Larue predatar - $2900
GAP10 g2 - $3000
LWRCi repr - $3700
KAC SR-25 - $4200

Have you seen the competition?

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>>31455540
>>31455541

can not into value appreciation

kek

>>31455497
>You go ahead and say what you want, I'm sitting on a rifle that has almost doubled in value.
They haven't stopped making it, retard
you realize that FN produces their guns in waves, right? When the next wave of 17s' comes, your rifle will be worth $2400 or less. Your absolute best hope is selling right now to some senseless idiot that will buy it for $3k not realizing the next wave of PS90's and 17s' is four or five months away

>>31455528
>>31455545
Meanwhile ARs get dropped from helicopters without the lower breaking open.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMUASQMt5l8

I don't think the Peru military dropped any other rifles.

>>31455579
>value appreciation
they still make the rifle retard. it's not a colt python

>>31455564
I am! Let's go key some nice cars, guise!

Boy I sure am mad that i can't afford nice things.

Everyone who buys nice things is a fucking chump.

>>31455085
>Says pushing their platform
>Calls other people douche bags

Kek

>>31455577
All those rifles are lighter, take SR25 mags, better triggers, and most of them have better barrels.

>>31455085
Why do you care?
By way of your argument, anyone who owns an "assault rifle" is a douchebag of the gun community. You can't CC, they're not particularly utilitarian and few people will ever run them as hard as they could much less actually need one. I don't think they're nearly as fun or challenging to shoot as handguns and there aren't as many places to shoot them.
So, by your argument, anyone who owns any "assault rifle" is just a douchebag of the gun community.

You sound like a jelly little poorfag.

>>31455280
>implying you know what you are talking about
>implying FN will ever release a MK20

>>31455583
>I don't think the Peru military dropped any other rifles.

ok kid

>>31455581
>you realize that FN produces their guns in waves, right?

sure whatever

Bye, going to go talk to the grownups now

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>>31455594
THAT ANON OVER THERE HAS A HOT WIFE

Where's that acid?

>>31455623
>fuck you guys. I'm going back to /v/
Ftfy.

>>31455255
SR-25.

>>31455577

>DMR's are the same as battle rifles

PTR-91 - $900- 1300
M1A- $1500 1800
AR 10- $1200 - 1500

All the guns you posted are 1) not in the same weapons class as the 17 and 2) suffer from diminishing returns when it comes to accuracy imporvements vs cost that is inherent to all weapons

>>31455583
The other ones didnt get that far.
An ARs get dropped into dirt and ar fine. On their stocks, not always so much

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/gearscout/2012/02/01/buttstock-bashfest-gearscout-finds-out-just-how-far-tough-talk-goes/32149981/

I almost bought a nice car the other day but I was worried some bus riding nobody would call me a douche bag for not speeding in it so I didn't.

>>31455623
>gets btfo
>Bye, going to go talk to the grownups now
stay salty, fag

>>31455579
Literally every single gun I've ever bought has appreciated in value???
Also $2,900 is not double $2,200 fuckin' lel.

>>31455642
Oh ya the SCAR stock is much more durable.

No problems with the latch breaking on them. None at all.

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>>31455579

The sunk cost fallacy and post purchase rationalization is strong with this one

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>>31455618
SCAR 17s - 8lbs
DDm5v1 - 8.3lbs
REPR 16" - 9.5lbs

uh no.

>>31455131
whats with cuckseratives and being obsessed with some imaginary assfox

itt: milennial babbys who don't understand performance and value yet

When you grow up you'll begin to understand that expensive things are expensive for a reason. If you work hard, you will have money and buy some nice things and appreciate them.

Then you will laugh at the 20-somethings who flame you for being a "douchebag chump" because you own something nice.

But that's a long ways away, you won't understand right now.

>>31455641
>implying a SCAR cant be both a DMR and a BR

People who are in the market for a high end .308 arent looking at a PTR. People who are in the market for a high end 308 will compare a DD to a SCAR

>>31455646
You actually seem to be quite worried about what people think or you wouldn't be making so many posts defending your decision to pay 3000 for a gun that's worth 650

>>31455693

itt: millennial babbys don't understand cost vs performance ratio and that there is a point where no amount of money spent is going to make you look cool so you might as well spend it on something else that would serve you better

>>31455693
if the SCAR has better performance, why isn't it more popular in competitive shooting teams?

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>>31455671
>over 9lbs

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Part of the great joy of owning a SCAR is how mad is makes some people. It fags like those in here that really make it worth it.

I love haters

LOVE THEM

>>31455730
>if one .308 gun is so much better than other .308 guns how come its not more prominent in a sport dominated by .223 guns?

>>31455702

But it isn't, the market for a high end AR-10 DMR platform is alot of varied than the one for the SCAR will as of right now only has light barrel vs heavy barrel options

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Your rage is palpable, OP. Focus on yourself first. Then everyone else a few decades afterwards.

>>31455764
Thats a mk20 with a 20" target barrel
Not a 17s with a 16" pencil barrel.

Hell, put a 13" CQC barrel, PMM elimination panels, an ACR stock, and a light sling and the SCAR would qualify as a scout rifle. Might even have weight left over for a MRDS.

>>31455085
They're the equivalent of people who take their Viper to the track, go slower than shit, and then point by at WOT on the straights.

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>>31455783
>Implying the SCAR has heavy barrel options
You should stop speaking about that which you know nothing about anon.

>>31455085
>SCAR
>equivalent of the douche bag with a sports car who drives slow in traffic in the gun community

No, they are the ricer drivers with splayed out tires and a spoiler on a FWD.

Your caricature would be the people with bespoke 5-6 digit price firearms.

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>>31455803
>it's ok to compare the scar h with a light weight barrel to heavy barrel SR25/AR10s
>it's not ok to compare the heavy barrel scars with heavy barreled SR25/AR10s
k

>>31455085
Uh, it's just another fucking gun dude. Judging a gun owner by the actions of a few assholes on the internet who happened to own the same gun is the same logic that legislators use to criminize AR-15 owners.

Fuck you and your shitty thread OP

>>31455364
yet nobody still buy SCAR ( except that african country with millions of $ of "help" from the US ) for their regular infantry

so, he still has a point

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>>31455803

>if I put more money into an already overpriced system towards overpriced parts it will finally do what I need it to do

>>31455841
>I want to compare things that are not for sale on the market to other things that are for sale.

The DDm5v1 and the REPR do not have heavy barrels though.

>>31455730
Because it can't be customized as easily. I'm going to guess that you have never competed in unlimited class of any kind.

>>31455859
Eh, not a SCARfag but if you are going to be accurizing a rifle it doesn't really matter what you start out with, it's going to cost a shit ton of cash.

>>31455816
see
>>31455764

SCAR has heavy barrel option

>>31455871
Its not m5v1, ok? Plz get my 308raifu's name right

>>31455859
>sunk cost fallacy
What else did you learn in school, Billy?

>>31455871

That is the give and take nature of guns, to loser weight they went with a thin barrel at the cost of groups quickly opening up after a few rounds. Heavy barrelled .308's can be a bitch to carry but goddamn do the groups hold over time

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>>31455871
>FN doesn't support the scar
>therefore I need to apply this lack of support to other companies for my comparison.
k

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>>31455859
Your assuming price is a factor for me.
My firearms hobby is funded solely by my quarterly bonus, and even then I fund other hobbies with it. You should avoid projecting, its not becoming.

Try straw man arguments though, that could be fun?

>>31455893
>Actually its DD5v1
Learn your own pronouns you fucking poser

https://danieldefense.com/firearms/caliber/7-62-x-51mm/daniel-defense-dd5v1.html

>>31455883

All the cash in the world isn't going to make the much needed after market magically appear just because you bought a rifle no one else uses

>>31455907
>Two of the grannies won't flip the bird.
Just precious.

>>31455927
Instead they offer to fist you up to their elbow

>>31455924
About four companies are coming out with aftermarket SCAR barrels shortly.

MGW, Handl, Dead shot barrels, someone else.
Im not even including HDD, fuck them.

>>31455924
How much of an aftermarket does one really need? I wouldn't buy a SCAR for much besides collection purposes if I had the money but a light, scope and a custom barrel if people are so inclined are all that are relevant from a practical standpoint.

>>31455158
>be me
>redditfag because i start my greentext with "be me", but w/e
>decide to get into guns, read up about all kinds, finally choose a .308 POF
>buy once cry once
>also decide to get a nice scope on it, everyone recommends Nightforce
>buy once cry once
>guy at the gun store gives me a discount on top-shelf ammo since I just spent all this money there
>neat, what a bro-tier sport
>go to the range
>really excited
>some guy already shooting there, mention between shots how I really like this gun and am excited to have one that's of good quality
>guy seems salty, his own gun is clearly much cheaper, consider letting him shoot from mine too
>begin sighting it in as described and then slowly work on trigger control like the gunshop guy talked about
>guy keeps sending glares my way
>we go check groups
>groups are pretty similar, I'm happy that even starting out I seem to be doing as well as this guy who seems to have done this for a while
>wonder if it's me or the gun, decide to keep working slowly at it to not get bad habits
>guy leaves with a final glare before I can offer him a chance to shoot my gun
>never did find out what his deal was

>>31455957
>MGW, Handl, Dead shot barrels
insert name barrels assemblies you mean.

Let me guess they're charging like $1000 per barrel because FN does too right?

>>31455966
>redditfag because i start my greentext with "be me", but w/e
Newfag detected.

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>>31455966
epic

>>31455962

If you are competing, then every advantage counts as your competitors sure are spending the money on every slight advantage they can get. If you are a typical /k/omando who thinks he is going to take part in some fantasy gunfight he saw in the movies, then you just have a small penis

>>31455267
>this nigga doesn't want an xm8

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>>31455982
>Babbys first economics lesson
FN charges $1300

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Yep I sure guessed that.

Fucking retards are paying over a $1000 for 5.56 barrels not from FN.

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>>31455918
Not only are you illiterate, you're a fucking moron.

>>31455528
Source please?

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>>31455432
>>31455407
When you start owning guns that cost as much as used cars you realise you get a free pass at not caring about other peoples opinions. I wanted comfort and 5.56 so I went with the hebrew hammer would I sell it ? No... Would I trade it and give some cash for a SCAR 17 with some upgrades under the hood if it was FDE? Damn straight. Both the SCAR and my tavor after upgrades costs about the same and does nearly the same thing except one fires smaller rd and smaller size . so what I tuned it to fit my needs not the needs of others. Poorfag millennials who do not understand how the world works and brainwashed have no place on /k/. It takes sacrifice to get what you want in life. People who have nicer things 90% sacrificed alot of time and effort to get those items. SCARS give you SCARS for life on a good way. Just find it funny you can use hiking boots to keep them propped up on anything LOL

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>poorfags please leave

At least i don't suck dicks for a living

>>31456198
nigga, a Vortex does not on a SCAR belong.

You should know that.

>>31456395
you might not, but your mother most certainly does.

>>31455085
I would love to have one with 18in barrel

>>31456421
Good thing we don't talk anymore.
Thanks, anon.

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>>31455966
Nice

>>31455255
Jesus do you blow the guy or something?

>>31455966
his deal, my friend, was poverty.

>>31456184
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/19/peru-fn-scar-rifle-controversy/

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>>31456855

>>31457290
DID YOU SHOP IN DAT PTR?

LOLOLOLOL 8/8 WILL R8 NO H8.

Lel this assblasted PTR autist had to make his own retarded wannabe circlejerk thread?

>hurr durr $3k is too much for a gun!
Clearly .308 is not the round for you. Non shit ammo is 50 cents plus a round. 2 grand is nothing when you're actually shooting a few thousand rounds a year. Sorry you had to scrape pennies together to buy your used gun and can't afford to actually shoot it.

>hurr sunk cost you only like it because you spent so much money on it!
Unless you bought your 17s in the last 2 months you could easily sell it for more than you paid right now, even used kek

>>31455407
I was reading a thread on socnet how eastcoast was preferring the HK and westcoast liked FNH. Now they could each be in hivemind mode, but not everyone that shoots them likes them. I have a 17s and enjoy it for what it is, but I can understand people shooting them and preferring to just go back to their ar15s. to each their own

>>31455085
You sound really jealous and envious of SCAR owners.

>>31455085
>you never see them actually actually push their platform the same way someone who spent less money would push theirs.
Do you mean the AR owners who take pictures of their rifles on their parents' coffee tables stacked up with monster energy drink cans and their latest Kimber knife, or on their beds next to their anime body pillows? Those owners? Because we're not sure what you mean.

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>>31457445

>>31457485
Unrelated but does anyone really use thier rifles in the way 'torture tests' do?

Is there a multi-day completion in some remote island that has sand, mud, ice and dust storms?

>>31456408
Not that guy, but with a scar17s I could understand going with a vortex. If you go with a company that has awesome CS and warranty if the optic ever goes down because of the recoil impulse you are still g2g.

>>31457540
That depends, do you want to enter into a 'most dangerous game' scenario for a chance to fondle a SCAR?

>>31456198
>$4k rifle
>carpet older than most of /k/
>exposed coax

Confirmed for living in mommy's basement.

>>31457485

this

the only pushing done by 99.9% of both scar and ar owners is slightly marring the rails from attaching/deattaching stupid shit

youtube torture tests are a meme to generate shitposting material for poor people who invested 100% of their emotions into the one moderately priced rifle they can afford.

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>>31457290
Top fucking kek.

>>31455407
>spending more money than you need to
>bragging about it

>>31455996
Newfag calling others newfag. If you'd actually been here for any length of time you'd know that "be me" comes from reddit and you will not find an old school 4chan greentext starting with that garbage.

>>31455449
>dropping it causes it break
>doesn't mean it's a bad military rifle

>>31455541
How do you actually know this?

>>31457807
>This time on inrange tv were going to climb this ladder and drop rifles from 10 meters onto concrete
>underage retards will use this to justify thier firearms preference
And cue massive amounts of views and ad revenue

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>>31455766
bought mine for 2200 a year and a half ago. My friends keep shit talking it and keeps saying I should sell it for profit. Hell my DDM4 is worth more now than when I purchased it. Problem is when I buy a gun I absolutely hate the idea of selling it

>DD
enjoy your god-awful rubber furniture

>>31455226
can someone help?

I made a right turn into the first lane, and accelerated up to the speed limit although on the clear road excluding the one other vehicle which was traveling around 20 miles over the speed limit who decided to swerve around me and blare their horn as they passed me. I was already traveling the speed limit before they passed me, so I snapped and caught up to them and it was an older mexican lady. I rolled down my window, and yelled "What's the hurry?" she didn't look over or say anything so I Then yelled even louder, "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!" before she quickly made a right turn and gtfo. Am I an asshole? Or was I justified?

>>31457792
>need

my household income is over 300k a year, the line between need and want for me is very blurred.

>>31457951
honestly, I like the DD furniture. Not sure why some people just shit talk them.

>>31455414
They didn't drop either, because they use Scar Hs and Ls, not 17s and 16s.

>>31457600
Actually that was taken at a hotel in North Dakota, I was out there for work.

>>31458021
semantics

>>31457977
At that point, you really need to prioritize your time. Things like changing your oil are not financially viable. As well as seeking as much time away from work as possible. So what do you do? I truly hope you don't work 90 hours a week with the majority of your favorite activities collecting dust.

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>>31458054
please explain to me how complaining about mixing up the scar 17 and 16 is okay to call out, but mixing up the select fire and semi automatic only models is semantics

>>31458081
>the things you find fun are not fun
...okay

>>31455267
>deploy
>watch sf run around with scars and shorty m4s w/silencers
>have m4 that's beat to shit
>cant even get acog ,stuck with cco
Feels bad man

Aren't SCARs heavy and that's why they aren't preferred by militaries?

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>>31458250
NAH NIGGA I'M ILLITERATE, I'M TRYIN' TO SAY YOUR TIME WORTH TOO DAMN MUCH TO WASTE DOIN' SHIT PEOPLE WILL DO FOR YOU CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU GET PAID TO DO WHAT YOU DO.

>>31458225
Trigger group vs almost the entire rifle is slightly different. Especially when anon was attempting to make a point of contention between the 5.56 and 7.62 models.

>>31458337
They are amongst the lightest .308 rifles out there

>>31458001
Same here, I find it aesthetic as fuck.

>>31458384

There's a lot more to differentiate the full auto and commercial versions to the point that receivers and trigger modules between the two are incompatible.

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>>31455085
Get out poorfags

>>31455361
>dropped the 17's, its only a matter of time until the 16's get dropped off as well
I think you got it backwards.

>>31458337
Militaries go for the stuff like the HK416 variants because they're cheaper in small orders. LEOs in America were paying well under $1500 for a hk416 while the scar was $100s more to them.
It's a bit ridiculous what FN charges for the scar considering what you get. Doesn't matter if you're a civilian or looking to buy one as LEO/Mil.

You can argue a bunch of details about how the can't use some mags and other weird quirks like the rails on the scar but really other companies just make rifles as good and better in many opinion for cheaper.


Like the other anon said, nobody would give a fuck about the scar if it weren't for games like CoD.

>>31458474
>all three rifles
>calls others poor

shieeet

>>31458518
Those are not my only guns anon, only me battle rifles, and a High power for some reason.

>>31458542
>only three battle rifles

the point stands

>>31458081
Of course I don't do things like basic car maintenance.

A maid service cleans my house. The dealer picks up my cars. Landscaping, taxes, etc are all taken care of. I don't waste time on that.

I do waste a lot of time on 4chan though. Kinda bad habit.

>>31458555
Post your battle rattles than.

>>31458555
how many u got?

>>31458474
>Vortex
And you call others poorfags....

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>>31458610
>>31458612

k

>>31458576
>Find the things you love and let them kill you.

Bad habits are truly what gives life meaning. Hope you have a good day richfag, I'm off to the gym.

>>31458680
>poverty the post

As a scar owner I must admit that I baby the fuck out of it

>>31458689

Yes, I am quite poor relative to many people.

Alas, I never called anyone else poor.

>>31457845
not that anon, but ar receviers are fairly involved from forging -> machining -> finishing when compared to a scar, since the scar receivers are either plastic, or extruded aluminum, which is cheap as fuck

>>31458744

So why do people think that paying 3k for a SCAR that is not only cheaper to make but doesn't deliver 3x the performance

Fuck this, I'm gonna call PTR and ask them to make a custom receiver with a fake HK stamp so I can take pictures to impress random idiots on the internet

>>31458851
Because the SCAR is a better rifle

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>>31458851

SCAR is arguably the better rifle and FN charges that much because they know people will buy that shit up

>>31458879
Quantify how, exactly.

>>31458021
>>31458225
The SCAR-H is designated as the Mk 17 Mod 0, so using 17 to describe the military version is accurate

The only reason I don't get a SCAR is because they're basically only ever available in FDE and that's yucky. Moreover, despite being a millionaire who can afford anything I want, I can't mentally justify spending $5000 on a next gen M4.

>>31458885

>>31458885

No one is arguing if its better, but if the improvements are worth 3x the cost for an item whose main advantage is that it cost less to make than a AR

A PS3 is better than an Xbox One but no one is going to pay 3 times as much for slightly better graphics that you won't notice unless your on a 4000 dollar TV

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>>31457600
> assumes lives with parents
>assumes I have a basement
Tsk Tsk Tsk I thought you were of a higher standard of human being sad to say I am gravely disappointed. When you can train /Fit/ and live on your own at my age then You have my permissions to critique my drunkenness.
Coaxial is still used for most hotels Anon think about it.

>>31458895

Not exactly.

"SCAR-H" is a general designation applicable to any 7.62x51mm sized receiver SCAR.

SCAR 17 and 17S are designations relegated to the US market for LE and commercial sales respectively.

Mk 17 is a US Navy designation for their rifles explicitly.

So in other words, every 7.62mm SCAR is a "SCAR-Heavy" but not every SCAR 17 is a Mk 17.

>the more you know

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>>31459026

>this much autism

>>31459053

If you're going try calling someone out on minutiae you'd better be 100% right.

>>31458887
Feature set

>>31459026
[citation needed]

I wish you faggots would stop treating guns like toys or like women do with fucking handbags or some shit. They're not fucking little plastic toys that you play with or something you just carry because it looks nice.

It's a fucking weapon, not a piece of flair. Every time I see some faggot posting on here with a fucking arsenal or some shit I just think "what a waste." I have three guns. A rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. They all have their uses and I practice with those weapons as often as possible. I know them, and I am better because of it.

Reminds me of that Bruce Lee quote about practicing a punch.

You're all fucking faggots.

>>31458937
>No one is arguing if it's better
There are people in this thread arguing that their PTR is as good as a SCAR lol. Not better value, but just as good a rifle. That's why they're getting trashed

>>31459177
>I can't refute your argument and will attempt to put the onus of doing so on you

If you really need assistance finding your way to google I'm afraid you're beyond any help.

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>>31459204
So you dont have any credible sources?
Cool.

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the scar is the best rifle ever made bar none full stop

stop being mad poorfags jesus christ its annoying

>>31458887
Accuracy, reliability, durability, ergonomics, weight covers the objective stuff. Aesthetics for subjective shit

>>31459242
Dont forget the large and ever expanding aftermarket

>>31459227
jesus, I hope that x6 ACOG isn't yours. Absolutely ugly.

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>>31459223

Sources for what? The fact that a Mk 17 is called a Mk 17 and not a SCAR 17? It says so right on the gun. Or is that not "credible" enough for you?

>>31459202

Other than reliability and accuracy where both come neck in neck, really what the SCAR has going for it is ergonomics and reduced weight. As far as the individual civilian goes, the PTR is the better choice. But for military purposes, there has to be a better explanation why the 416 is being chosen by just about every western european nation over the SCAR other than HK conspiracy theories

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The ARX100 is objectively better.

>>31459277
It doesn't say SCAR H anywhere on it

>>31459286
Which countries aside from France have moved to it?

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>>31459266
rude no i only use high quality optics

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>>31459304
This

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>>31459305

Of course it doesn't. It's a Mk 17... which also happens to be a SCAR-H.

>>31459304
>5 STANAG mags
>worth 195
...what?

>>31459339
I think they're Beretta brand steel mags. Idk though.

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>>31456198
>>31455407

>>31459333
So where does it state that a 17s is also an H

And what about the that caliber conversion you posted. You said earlier that a SCAR 7.62 is an H, is it still an H? Its no longer in 7.62

>>31459286
are you seriously suggesting that the PTR has equivalent accuracy to the SCAR?

>>31459315
lol I have that thing as a placeholder

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SCAR 16 represent.

>>31459500
That CH clear your knuckles from the mount levers?

>>31459474

Given the same ammo, optics and shooter then yes. If you really want to be anal about it, the better harmonics and longer barrel would actually tilt accuracy towards the PTR

The SCAR isn't anything revolutionary in the firearms world, just an new twist on the old FAL concept. Unless the advancement is caseless ammo, soldier carried rail guns or lasers, gun makers are putting old ass calibers in lighter frames

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>>31459500

Tried the ACR stock for a while. Didn't care for it much. It's still in a box somewhere.

>>31459286
Yeah 1moa and 2-4moa are the same thing kek.
>economics and weight don't matter to civilians because all I do is play at the range!
Your emotional investment to your perfectly fine but mediocre platform is hilarious

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>>31459516

Yup. We've come a long way from NIB.

>>31459524
But this isnt some theoretical drawing board world. And the SCAR has essentially nothing in common, asides from mfg, calliber, and magazine body in common with the FAL

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The only thing I don't like about my SCAR is fixing Pmags and that's a Pmag problem, not a SCAR problem.

>>31459541
Wasnt sure if any of the aftermarket ones were that useful in saving knuckles.

>>31459572

Quite a few, actually. GG&G, Tango Down, and about a half dozen other companies make them.

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>>31459529

Shooting 1 MOA can be done with a stock M1A scout, it comes down to the right ammo, shooter and optics at that point. 2-4 MOA out of the PTR is literally steel cased wolf at that point, if you compare that to something a tad more pricey like core lokt then the groups do close up

But of course things like shooting steel and doing ammo comparisons is something that SCAR owners would actually have to take it out of the safe to try out for themselves over reading the broucher and taking FN's word for it

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Fun with friends.

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>>31459429
>You said earlier that a SCAR 7.62 is an H, is it still an H? Its no longer in 7.62

You are very dense, illiterate as well, and should be thanking me for even taking the time to explain this to you.

First let's look at what I ACTUALLY said in >>31459026
>"SCAR-H" is a general designation applicable to any 7.62x51mm sized receiver SCAR.
>7.62x51mm sized receiver SCAR
>SIZED RECEIVER

Caliber converting a SCAR-H to 5.56mm does not make it a SCAR-L because it is still a 7.62mm sized SCAR receiver.

The same applies to 7.62x39, 6.5cr or any other caliber conversion based on the SCAR-H receiver. They are all still SCAR-Heavy's.

>So where does it state that a 17s is also an H

Right on the side of pic related. It's a semi auto 7.62x51mm SCAR sold in Europe and designated simply as the SCAR-H. As I sated in my previous post, which you either ignored or failed to comprehend, "SCAR 17S" is a designation coined by FNH USA and used only for the US commercial market. "SCAR 17" is (now) FN America's designation for the full auto LE version.

Both rifles are still SCAR-H's. Mk 17's are SCAR-H's. Before there was a Mk 17 or 17S there were only SCAR-H's. It is the universal designation for 7.62mm pattern SCAR's.

What is so hard to understand about this simple concept?

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>>31459594
The sour grapes is so strong its almost a physically detectable thing.

>>31459626
So that one is a SCAR H
And not a 17 or mk17?

How is it different from a 17?

Is that a meaningful difference?

>>31459653

My first post answered all of those questions >>31459026

>>31459627

At this point I don't even think you own a SCAR and are just posting pictures you pulled off Ar15.com and passing it as your own. Anyone who reads my posts can tell that I actually own and shoot the rifles I claim to own and shoot, all you can do is regurgitate stuff you read off wikipedia and the FN website with no real sense of real world experience to back it up. You are quite literally the kid arguing Marines vs Army without any military experience of your own

>>31459524
that PTR koolaid you're drinking must be good.

>>31455104
Lose some weight. I cam tell you're a chunkster just by your cheek flabbing over the cheek rest

>>31459594
jesus. your level of autism is simply beyond words.

>>31459715

I've also have owned a M1A which is also an excellent rifle with better egos and weight balance than the PTR

So yes, I have experience with various battle rifles unlike any of you who couldn't even compare the difference in performance between various types of 7.62x51 or .308 in the imaginary SCAR's that only exist on your Battlefield 4 account

>>31456395
>FULLY UPGRADED
>NEVER USED
sounds about right

>>31459765
lololol ok. You got me. Keep thinking that.

So do you actually have experience with a SCAR 17?

I'm guessing "No".

Take your autism elsewhere.

>>31459705
Your posts don't seem very full of things that convey experience.

>>31459794
the fact that retard posted a screencap from a fucking youtube video says alot.

No one's asking the real questions here.

>Black or FDE?

>>31459803
lel
I guess if you get pictures for posting from youtube screencaps that makes you a pro!

>>31459821
obviously black.

The superior race, the superior color.

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>>31459793

I'm still waiting for you to explain how the SCAR breaks the laws of fucking physics to be inherently more reliable and accurate over multiple battle rifle platforms that have existed since the 50's

I'm be waiting while you keep looking though wikipedia for that answer

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>>31459821
>>31459829
White

>>31459821
One of each, peasant

>>31459827
>>31459803

Believe it or not, most shooters go to the range to actually shoot, not take selfies like a gagglefuck of teenage millennials

>>31459838
Do you understand that metallurgy, machining, and engineering have improved over the last sixty years?

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>>31459838
By having 50 years advancement in design and materials. Jesus Christ, you answered your own question retard

>>31459821

I think you mean Black or an assortment of tan-ish colors.

>>31459847
that's not a factory-ly correct answer, sir.

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>>31459868
>rage is making you incoherent
Peanut butter hair isnt taken at a range, and its not my pic, I didnt even post it.

Switch to decaff man, you should have work in the morning

>>31459878

>implying no one else advanced thier materials as well and are using the same barrels and optics from the 50's

I would tell you to hang yourself, but something tells me that you would pretend to buy the most advance rope in the world that you wouldn't want to ruin

>>31459838
I'm going to assume that you never took a fucking physics class beyond classical kinematics, so why talking about it?

It's so funny when ill-educated peasants try to add an air of sophistication by uttering the words "laws of physics". What a fucking joke.

Did they have fucking digital CNC 50 years ago?

>>31455192
So you personally know every single SCAR owner in the U.S. and have asked every single one of them how many rounds per month they put through their rifle?

If not, then you are a huge salty pussy.
Keep crying homo.

>>31459941
>that have existed since the 50's

be real pham, how fucking dumb are you?

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>>31459941
You really dont understand how engineering a product works do you?

New materials and manufacturing techniques allow for newer, literally better designs to be implemented. Simply applying new materials to a sixty year old design isnt going really be a game changer.

>>31455192
>wear out
most people who own SCARs here probably have disposable income far in excess of your total take home pay.

Don't judge us with the same yardstick you judge yourself. We play in different leagues.

The gist of the matter is that you are unhappy with your financial situation, and your defense mechanism is to try to justify your fiscal constraints with the red herring of "performance per dollar".

Go be poor elsewhere.

>>31459992

Still waiting for an explantion how the SCAR breaks the laws of physics to produce a performance level that reflects the cost of the rifle

Until then keep spouting bullshit that amount to "Polymer and Aluminum is magic I swears it"

>>31460029
Battlefield Vegas said in 200,000 rounds, the barrel and hammer have been changed out. Thats it.

Seems that the SCAR is pretty economical on needing replacement parts.

>Implying PTRfags could afford that much ammo

>>31460029
The mental gymnastics required to think that someone that has a $800 rifle can afford more ammo than a person with a $3000 are astounding. This dude is so far in denial it's past funny and just sad

>>31460029

Most people who own SCAR's do it because they think owning the rifle from Call of Duty makes up for their lack of social standing and other masculine traits

Most of them would really be better off with no gun but a membership to a good gym

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>>31460066
You said to be more reliable, now you want data to justify the cost? Which is it anon, which is it?

>He cant even keep his own rants straight anymore.

>>31460073
are you seriously THIS stupid?

Let me make this very simple for you.

What is your annual gross income?

>>31460089
Keep projecting. Maybe you'll project your way out of poverty.

>>31460029
>all this insecurity

if you're going to brag about being well-monied based on firearms you better own a pair of Purdeys or Holland & Holland

otherwise you're like the dumbass who thinks he is balling because he has a new production 3 series at track day

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>>31460119
Enough to shoot 3k rounds through my SCAR since February

>>31460142

>implying saving 3k is hard
>implying buying a 3k rifle is going to increase your social standing to people who matter

Just because I can buy a H2 doesn't mean I should buy one

>>31460066
>breaks the laws of physics
you don't fucking know what these words mean. Don't use them again.

>produce a performance level that reflects the cost of the rifle
Find me a piston driven system in 7.62 with comparable accuracy, weight, and durability.

Go ahead, I'll wait for you to move the goal post again.

Actually I won't. I'll just say this: you're a fucking retard.

>>31460155

>still avoiding giving a ammo comparison that a shooter with that much range time would know off the top of his head

>still posting pictures of SCAR's he found on the internet

>>31460148
>You have to own some old world rifles or you aint shit
Stop projecting son, its rude, and unbecoming

>>31460165
>saving
There is your fucking problem. It's called DISPOSABLE income.

>>31460148
what am I? Fucking 60?

And I ball at the track with an Alfa 4C.

Go fuck yourself.

>>31460155
we both responded to the wrong post. Read up the thread. Pham, don't do me like that.

>>31460204

I don't think you know what projection means.

>>31460182

The goal posts have never been moved, but explain to someone who has alot of experience in multiple firearms why a gun that cost 3x the price of its competition is worth having?

Accuracy- been discussed, found to have no distinct advantage
Weight- been discussed, wins in this regard
Durability- Has not passed the test that is service in regular military units of both volunteer and conscript forces, results TBD

>>31460231
I don't think you can cogently put together an argument.

>>31460225
>Go fuck yourself
>getting this buttblasted because of insecurities

topkek

Also, post pics of the Alfa Romeo, actually interested.
>inb4 its at Dad's garage

>>31460238
There is more to a rifle than just its cost, accuracy, weight, and durability.

And again, the Battlefield vegas SCAR has exhibited some mind boggling endurance.

>>31460248
>argument
>sidestep the argument in the response by dissing Purdey or H&H
>misses the actual point that there is always someone richer than you so calling other people poor based on possessions is just pathetic material insecurity

It's OK, you can afford a few more moderately priced rifles one day.

>>31459692

Just stop, the guy is either trolling the shit out of you or is wrist watch on dick retarded.

>>31460238
>been discussed, found to have no distinct advantage
that you know of. I haven't shot a PTR, but I'll tell you this: my 17S with federal GMM group at 1-1.5 MOA at 200 meters CONSISTENTLY. You can cherry pick your PTR results all you want, but if you can't provide a 5x5 shot string, you need to STFU.

>Durability- Has not passed the test that is service in regular military units of both volunteer and conscript forces
200,000 rounds at a rental range, but sure. whatever.

I'm willing to pay a 1000 dollar premium for the weight savings along, since I shoot in the mountains. Obviously I can't speak for your criteria or financial situation, but you DEFINITELY have no authority to speak on the cost viability for this weapon for anyone else. If you can't afford it, go buy something else. If you can, that's your choice.

Now go to bed, special ed for you starts early in the morning.

>>31460282

Of course there is also

Ergonomics
Ease of maintenance
Cost of maintenance
Service life
Cost of production
Logistics and materials needed for production and distribution
Rifle cost over performance delivered

I know that alot of those things seem boring as fuck but they do come into play when it comes to purchasing choice. No one wants a Bushmaster ACR because everyone knows they will never get the parts to fix it if and when something wears out or plain bad luck causes any sort of damage

>>31460291
Youve missed it.
Why I bought the SCAR over something more modestly priced had nothing to with an expression of wealth.

Im going to assume your looking at a price:performance factor here (and somehow skipped .308 AR). In something as small as a few thousand dollars, I personally dont really put cost into consideration. Especially since I will be shooting ten of thousands of dollars of ammunition through it, which you dont seem to include in my assessment of your reasoning for supporting the PTR.

>SCARfags
I can't wait for SHTF that way I can kill you with my AR and take your overpriced rifle and haley strategic chest rig.

Stupid fucks.

>>31457956
You're an asshole

>>31460357
>cost of production
>Rifle cost

This is such a thing for the PTR set. They feel that FN profits too much. Thats the poverty mindset.

>>31460397
the butthurt out of this fag's anus is hotter than the ejecta from the sun.

>>31460397
the impotent rage projected in this post made me more uncomfortable than any cringe thread.

>>31460325

Sounds about what I get with Remington core lokt which is a hunting ammo just hangs around the same price range

But really, if you were a serious shooter, you would have been able to tell me how different steel case Russian ammo stacks up against each other and how those stack up against various brands that produce some variation of M80 and how those stack up against each other. You would also be able to tell me which ammo just doesn't really work with your rifle at all.

All these things I can tell you in regards to the M1A scout and PTR. But shooting stories are like fishing stories. Everyone will start claiming sub MOA at 500 meters if you let them but no one talks about thing such as under powered Aguilla, Fiocchi's bad primers (in different states on opposite ends of the country) or Winchester white box firing nothing that resembles a group at all

>>31460515
>serious shooters need to know autistic minutia of shitty steelcase
Lel. Our you could just buy quality brass for a bit more because who the fuck cares about a few cpr

>>31460563

All that noise just to detract from the fact that you treat your SCAR like an overpriced safe queen, which is what this fucking thread is about

>>31459722
>dodging anons question this hard
poorfag spotted

>>31460388
>most people who own SCARs here probably have disposable income far in excess of your total take home pay.
>We play in different leagues.
>Why I bought the SCAR over something more modestly priced had nothing to with an expression of wealth.

Now, if you are not the "different leagues" guy, are you in the habit of responding to the wrong thread?

>supporting the PTR.

I am not the PTR guy, and "different leagues" guy wasn't even responding to PTR guy, for fuck's sake.

>>31460658

>posting a cropped out picture to avoid it being sourced and claiming you are in it

Fakefag spotted

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>>31460624
Buying good ammo makes a gun a safe queen? What the fuck are you on about? You somehow have the idea that using garbage ammo makes you better than someone who buys reliable ammo with actual quality control? I suppose you're also a better carpenter than I am because you use a rock to pound nails and I use a hammer

>>31460515
I handload, why would I care about slavshit ammo?

>>31460669
>My rage against some other anon is the only discourse allowed in this thread

>>31455222
TRIPS
OF TRUTH

>>31460070
He misspoke. The owner talked about a bolt breakage and some small parts breakages in ar15's fn forum in the armory. Still the best regardless according to his opinion.

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>>31460909
>>31460914

>all this deflection to hide the fact he shoot much less than he claims

>>31460936
>click post number and interject into other peoples' thread
>hurr durr I wasn't responding I was just saying my own thing

All you had to do was not click the post number and you wouldn't look like a total retard.

>>31460155
>3k rounds through my SCAR
Wow! Why does your mom let you spend $660 on ammo anon?

>>31460155

Those aren't your guns anon.

>>31460985
~5k rounds per year between .308, 6.5 creedmoor, and 7mm WSM.
Probably another 2-3k in pistol rounds.

>>31461028
Those are squids, and he still posts here....

>>31459242
Vague terms. Be more specific.

>>31460997

If you do the math its actually

3k rounds
150 boxs
Average 24 bucks a box for federal GM

So he is claiming he spent 3600 on ammo

His mom must be loaded

>>31460997
>3000 * .5 = $600

>>31461028
Never claimed they were. You really want to look at my shitty phone pictures?

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>>31458937
>a ps3 is better than an xbox one

Plain out kill yourself.

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>>31461172
Peasants....

>>31461082
>>31461121
Wolf .223 is ~.22cpr on ammoseek. Would you like a calculator?

FN is quality and the SCAR is a great rifle. I don't know why you're so butthurt OP

>>31461212
>.223
Get out

>>31461221

I don't know why you can't read the post you quoted because if you did, you would see I never said anything about the SCAR being a bad rifle.

But I guess its too much to ask fanboys to actually read before getting outraged over nothing and start triggering all over the place

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>>31455208
2k in 1 year isn't shit. Jesus H Christ in a chicken basket what have you shot it like 5 times?

>>31461196
This isn't even a question.

It's like saying a 2005 laptop is better than a 2016 higher spec gaming computer.

It's just outright wrong.

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>>31461143

Sure.

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>>31460397

>>31461284
Asides from disparaging the entire userbase

>>31455085
>tfw I bought a scar for memes and MW2 nostalgia

>>31461469
I'm thinking about getting a stamp for my AR pistol and leaving the brace on for some dank memes. Always a valid reason for a purchase, none more valid today

>>31461082
Not the other anon but where did that person mention they were shooting FGMM?

I bet its more along the lines of PPU white box / MKE / CBC stuff which outside of PPU is fine for plinking or general range fuckery. PPU whitebox has been the most consistent 308 ammo when spending under 60cpr I've come across.

Also if you shoot large numbers of match, you tend to find it cheaper. FGMM can be had for 22 a box, whether buying it in 200 round lots or by half a case. If you look harder you can find it for 19 a box.

>>31461546
Buying case quantities during good sale times is how you stock up. 4JUL and BF being some of the best sales

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>>31455619
>pistols are more fun than rifles

Get out queer

>>31455255
Squid is a cock sucking faggot that equates all the expensive guns his dad's money bought him with being a valuable individual. He is an utterly contemptible human being and does your argument no service to align with him