What is the best semi-automatic handgun and why is it the

>>31454467
Literally the most overrated pistol there is

>>31454480
How is it overrated? It's light-weight properties and limited recoil are unmatched.

>>31454492
Pistol made for stopping enemy in close quarters so any 9 mm would be better anyway
even makarov

>>31454513
>implying you're gonna get a flush 20-round magazine in a 9mm pistol

>>31454467
Its capacity is its greatest asset, reguardless ive seen what 5.7 could do to a rabbit out of a ps90 barrel. Going a little slower from that pistol barrel it wont over penetrate as much.

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>>31454513
But handguns all suck at putting people down

>20 rounds
I liek

>>31454545

and yet the fort hood shooter got like 13 dudes with a fiveseven

>>31454565
And he wasn't even a soldier!

Sorry boyo that pistol is made from plastic. Its by default not best

Cost cutting and bottomline ruin another pistol.

>>31454576

>i'm a wannabe old man and i hate polymer because its new

>>31454576
nothing wrong with polymer

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>>31454565
Good shot placement and adequate penetration, yes, almost anything will work.

It speaks to his ability to shoot.

But handgun rounds are all pretty awful outside of puncturing something vital. Anecdotal evidence doesn't change this.

Most people who've handled one says it feels like a Hi-Point.

>>31454618
muh feels

>>31454545
yet the vast majority of murders are committed with the weapons, so your theory is a bit bullshit.

>>31454565

The mall shooter right now got five guys with a 10/22 in a much shorter time.
Did you actually have an argument?

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>>31454576
Atleast its not a Glock amiright

>>31454634
Its a handgun thread. Not a dd thread

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>>31454629
So by your logic, poison isnt particularly lethal?
https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type

>>31454629
>yet the vast majority of murders are committed with the weapons

Because handguns are much more convenient to carry around than rifles, especially when you're aiming to break in/rob/kill someone without everyone around you being clearly able to see you're packing.
You're using literal kindergarden tier logic: "there are less murders commited using grenade launchers than scissors -> grenade launchers are less deadly than scissors!"

>>31454631

yeah, my argument is that caliber doesn't matter, its just a conspiracy by the gun industry to pit us against eachother.

>>31454702
People are just wedded to this idea that handguns are not sufficient for killing people which is completely ridiculous.

>>31454747

They are sufficient. Doesn't change the fact they suck big time when you compare them to rifles or shotguns.
Handguns, except for these chambered in a select few magnum calibers, are a compromise between lethality and the viability for everyday carry.

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>>31454492
Not to mention 20 rounds per magazine, incredibly reliable, and armor piercing rounds. The people who dis this firearm are the idiots who have never shot it, touched it, seen it, or even heard of it.

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>>31454747
They are sufficient, but you need to get a lot of things right for it to be quick. And all handgun rounds assuming they penetrate far enough, will all do about the same injury to someone as another depending on where you hit them.

>>31454777
>select few
That would be what, the .45-70 and .600NE revolvers?

>>31454618
>My best friend's, Monkey's Uncle, brother's dog, car owner's mother says it feels like a high point.

Piss off with your Six Degrees of Separation

>>31454467
>high velocity .22 mag
well at least you have 20 rounds.

>>31454829
>The people who shill for this firearm are the ones who fell for the meme and have to justify the purchase somehow now that the novelty has worn off.

FTFY

>>31454829
Right on brother

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>>31454590
Thars just not true. When an oob malfunction happens in a plastic gun it typically costs you a gun and a hand simply because the path of least resistance is through the plastic.


In steel or alloys the slide is typically the first direction the force goes. Which costs a gun and some ego.


Just using Google as a terrible statistic you can see the difference in the malfunction severity

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>>31454467
>and why is it the FN five-seven?
Wound Vectors.

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>>31454885
So we should file you under never touched? And I'm sure that applies to so many more things than just this gun.

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>>31454467
The FNX is better.

>>31454530
FNX, and most service 9s today fit 17+1rds with flush mags. The Beretta 92 fits 18rds flush with modern mags, a 20rd mag from MecGar only protrudes very little from a Beretta. Hell, MecGar makes flush fitting 17rd magazines for a lot of old metal framed 'Wonder Nines' which typically held 15rds or less.

>>31454920
>When an oob malfunction happens in a plastic gun it typically costs you a gun
Out of battery detonations typically fuck up most of a gun. I sure as shit wouldn't want to use that frame after the gun failed so catastrophically it split the slide in half.

>and a hand
I've never seen or heard anyone suffer an injury to their hand from a pistol firing out of battery, which left them with a stump or otherwise unusable hand, never ever.

>simply because the path of least resistance is through the plastic.
On most plastic pistols, the pressure will blow through the top of the frame, somewhere above the trigger, this is by design, to protect you from the blast if it fires out of battery or you fire onto a squib.

You will still get injured, but not as badly as you could have been. Out of battery detonations typically aren't an issue on pistols which aren't dogshit, anyway, so it's kind of a moot point.

>civs can't have armor piercing
>stuck with overpriced 22

No thank you.

>>31454829
>implying you can readily get the armor piercing rounds as a civilian
>implying 20 round mags that aren't stupidly long don't exist for other handguns
>implying a 22WMR is good enough for self defense

>>31454467
why not just get a PMR-30?

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>>31454530
flush magazines are highly overrated

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>>31455917
>implying 5.7mm=.22wmr

>>31456047
Look up ballistics gel tests. They're functionally identical except centerfire/rimfire if you're not allowed to buy the nice SS190 AP 5.7x28.

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>>31456055
There's other good loads to use for it, you're not stuck with the blue tip ammo.

Also, centerfire is a huge advantage, as is reliable feeding from double-stacked magazines. The bullets are also the jacketed Spitzer kind.

Aren't the 5.7 bullets Basically a 5.56 short?

>>31456078
>There's other good loads to use for it, you're not stuck with the blue tip ammo.
Unicorn pube $3/round Elite ammo doesn't count since it's almost never in stock.

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>$1000
>For a shitty plastic .22 Walmart pistol that shoots gold
What an idiot.

>>31455917
The stupid in this post is legendary.

1. http://www.gunbroker.com/item/586890976
Stock mags not smaller mags.
Thinking 22wmg isn't good enough when 22lr is the #1 killer of all calibers.
And this >>31456047

How's that foot taste dummy.

Guy who actually owned one for about a month here. They'd be shitty weapons if you aren't a l33t gubment agent who can bang out headshots all day. It's over penetration hell, it's pricey to feed, replacement and aftermarket parts are "Fuck you" expensive, and it's not sniper accurate out of the box. It's a range toy and nothing more. A fun toy, but still a toy. When the novelty wore off, I flipped it to some CoD kid on armslist.

Tl;dr It's a meme. Know that it has little use as a real weapon if you aren't an aimbot under stress.

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>>31454467
When a canik with a 20rd magazine holds 20+1 is more realiable and fires 50gr liberty defese rounds going 2000 FPS having a 10gr weight advantage and diamter advantage of nearly 35% the five seven is obsolete in everything but name, get this it costed me less then 600 for all the 10 of my magazines plus the 2 it came with.100 dollars in 50 grain ammo and that's a wrap.Ordered a threaded barrel for it to boot to get an extra 1/4 inch of barrel length for even more velocity. The Five-seven had its day its time to move on to better triggers and common rds for all /k/ommandos...

>>31455169
Why do you spend a fortune on ammo just to feed that plastic piece of shit when you can get a Kel-Tec PMR-30?
>basically same round
>basically same gun
>a fucking fortune cheaper
>fiber optic sights come STANDARD
>20 round magazine? Fuck you I said 30.

Come on OP we know you're not gonna shoot any cops or government officials with it any time so just for plinking why would you shill out $1,500 on that plastic piece of shit when you could buy a PMR-30 for $500 (that's being generous, I see most go for $400) and feed it, or even buy ANOTHER firearm?

>hi I'm OP and I'm bad at spending money

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>>31456254
Will you provide facts backing up your claims that it is indeed a superior round then?

>>31455557
the rounds which pierce type IIIA armour don't qualify as armour piercing rounds under US law. FN just doesn't sell them on the civilian market in the USA. Everyone else can buy the good bullets though.

>>31456196

Let's be honest here, if you also bought that shit when the hype was still going, only to find it's nothing but a glorified .22 Mag plinker with a dead aftermarket that is more expensive to shoot than a rifle, you would be right here next to him frothing at the mouth about how fucking awesome the gun is, and how much a fool everyone else is for not worshiping it.

>>31456336
>turkshit
>Comparing a canik to a five seven
The eternal poorfag

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Hi Gents, I bought myself a CZ P-07 on Friday so, I will be getting it in 3 months time due to shitty gun laws here is SA. Does /k/ have a opinion in this firearm and does anybody here own one.

>>31456393
Just because it's Sunday, that doesn't make me your preacher. Google it numb nuts.

>>31454618
Funny, I handled one last friday, and it doesn't feel like a hi point. It's MUCH lighter. Perhaps you should handle one yourself before making what seems to be baseless accusations.

>>31456471
That's not how it works, kiddo. You made the claim now you back it up. Didn't middle school teach you anything?

>>31456336
>costed
>using an unnecessary cliche at least once in every run on sentence
you write like a moron
the canik is a good pistol for the money though

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>>31454618
>Most people who've handled one says it feels like a Hi-Point.
They don't, actually.

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>>31456467
I have one. It's wonderful. Very comfortable, shoots better than me, zero issues.

>>31454467

I consider it an interesting concept but definitely not optimal, if someone were to modify the round in a similar way to .300 blackout, by chopping off the necking and replacing the projectile with a larger one I would consider using it.

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>>31454467
>>31454492
See >>31454480.

>>31456356
>>31455963
Anyone here actually owned a PMR-30? It sounds like it'd be a fun little gun even if it's not exactly what you'd want to chase off angry niggers or grizzly bears.

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>>31454480
More overrated than the Desert Eagle?

>>31457166
The Deagle has similar memery around it but is less overrated because .357mag, .44mag, and .50 African Eliminator are totally viable self defense rounds in standard loadings. The Five Seven sucks enormous donkey dick compared to a 9mm shooting hollow points if you're not going up against armored targets, and costs 3-4 times as much.

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>>31456505
>>31456393
>>31456254

Well, I stand corrected. I could not find anything that proves what I said earlier. So I am sorry for my idnorant statement and I retract it fully. I am very sorry for any butthurt it may have caused. So instead I will post this article and say. Complaining about 22 is ridiculous and will continue with saying it doesn't matter what round you're using, shot placement is everything.
http://m.policemag.com/article/2426/stopping-power-myths-legends-and-realities

>>31457166
The Deagle is misrepresented as a combat weapon by movies and games, when used as a sporting weapon (or range toy), and handled and treated correctly, it's pretty good.

>>31457228
Yeah, I bet you make some really good follow up shots with 50AE

>go to gun show
>apparently within like the first 3 hours of the show 10+ Desert Eagles sold and now there's none at the show left and people keep asking for them

>>31457264
Have you shoot a Deagle brand Deagle?

They are very light recoiling, that's the entire point with the platform (as well as being an autoloader, of course), the .357Mag is comparable to a 9mm in recoil, the .44Mag is comparable to a .45ACP in recoil.

I'm not suggesting they're a good carry option (because they aren't), but they're easy to control.

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>>31457228
9mm defense loads are more expensive that 5.7x28.....

>>31457351
Not target and plinking ammo though, which matters much more in the long run.

>>31457351
>9mm defense loads are more expensive that 5.7x28 plinking ammo

FTFY

>>31457435
Depends on your shooting schedule and disposable income

>>31457262
>deagle is okay because it's a range toy and a fiveseven can't be a range toy because I'm functionally retarded
Sugoi

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>>31456892

>>31457555
>fiveseven can't be a range toy

This whole thread (and every one of its predecessors) revolves around FN fuckbois pretending the Five-seveN is something other than a range toy.

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>>31454467
It's the best because, in a world where pistols are increasingly being made ineffective by armor, the 5-7 did what needed to be done.

>>31457659
Literally the best combat pistol on the market.

Higher mag capacity than 9mm
>but muh aftermarket extendos!
Cool, the FN has factory 30rd mags the same size

>but muh 9mm stopping power
Great, the 5.7 has less recoil, equivalent penetration, and has the added bonus of being able to buy AP rounds

>but we cant find AP 5.7 at walmart so it doesnt exist
There's this newfangled thing called the "internet" where you can buy anything you want with just a click.

shits OP as fuck, though still not as bad as the tec9.

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>>31454467
>Not the P99
Enjoy your overpriced .22 Magnum.
>But muh penetration
7.62x25 exists.

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>>31454467
>What is the best semi-automatic handgun

>>31457722
>pistols are increasingly being made ineffective by armor

Not a concern to anyone whatsoever. If it ever becomes one, then issuing AP ammo will solve it without the need to suck the FN dick.
Beating IIIA armor isn't some magic exclusive to 5.7, and III will shrug it off all day, so it's literally a pointless cartridge desperately looking for a niche to fit in.

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>>31456508
>will not excuse my alchohol abusive tendencies >>31456466
Name another 9mm from factory that holds more rds then my 20+1 canik does. To challenge you even more name one that is more reliable.
> assumes poor fag
It is unwise to cast judgement prematurely anon
most unwise. Pic related is just a handful in my /k/ollection.

>>31457778
>7.62x25 exists.
In a good gun?

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>>31458094
Mother fucker why?
Not op but to discuss your statement >>31456336 an extension on the magazine is an extension on a magazine. Just that little couple of inches makes it incapable of being secured for my regular load out. Not to mention those 20-round magazines weigh about twice as much as my 20 round fiveseven magazines.

>>31458094
Why the fuck do you have a Canik when you own a SCAR and Jewvor?

The cartel sure love them.

>>31456467
Great gun, you won't be disappointed.

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>>31458786
>>31458868
Its much more simple then you think its not the name or orgin of a fire arm that makes me buy it its ergonomics and fitment and features that have me choose what rifle I would like to own forever. Every firearm I own I take out to the range at least twice a month beginning & end of month and use all handgun magazines once and 10% of all the magazines in my centerfire rifle storage. I tried all the meme handguns and name brand means nothing to me cost means nothing to me. Results matter to me anon that's the difference. When your load out costs as much as a new car you stop caring about the opinions of others. Much like an advisor recommends to his superiors of their "opinion".

>>31457763
No good hollowpoints though.

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Bought this yesterday for $395

>>31459365
How's it shoot?

>>31459365
PMR seems like a really appealing gun. But.. rimfire!

>>31459382
So far only shot 250rds of maxi mag 40gr hp, 100% reliable.

The impulse and report is way different from what I'm used to (9s & 45s in all sizes).

Trigger is really light.

I like it, I think it's a great addition to my collection. Don't plan on carrying it, it might stay in my wife's glove box though.

>>31456467
Very happy P-09 owner here.

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>>31458934
Love the helmet by the way. But my question is why do you have your raptar set up on the slant rail on your Tavor?
I understand what you're talking about. The stuff that works for me is the stuff I have. People call it meme, but the truth of the matter is my stuff works for me. I have plenty of friends with a lot more money than I do, and they have a lot better Firearms than most people. I've picked and chosen from those and the weapons I want to have, are the ones that worked for me.

>>31459391
Imagine if they offered it in 5.7x28 for half the price of a five seven.
>proper centerfire
>CMR-30 suddenly competing with PS90s instead of 10/22s
>waffle niggers on suicide watch

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>>31460440
>Imagine if they offered it in 5.7x28 for half the price of a five seven.

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>>31454480
tell that to the people who died in the ft hood shooting.
20 rounds of kill in each mag

>>31459166
I couldn't speak to that. Spitzers generally dont rely on hollowpoints though.

>>31458687
Sure. Toks are good guns, if outdated. But design-wise, they're just a mash of JMB designs. Cz.52s are good, and Space Gun as fuck. The Chinks make a Sig clone in 7.62x25, PPS-43 """""pistols""""" exist, and you can even snag 7.62 Tok inserts for your Nugget for ultra-poorfag plinking.

>>31461354
Are there even any with 10+ round mags though?

>>31454467
i've shot 100rds through one.
nothing about it warrants the $1,200 price tag and expensive ammo.
feel like a cheap toy in the hand
not more or less accurate than other pistols.

it makes sense will full loads in a military scenario, but makes no sense for civilians.

i give it a 7/10

a sp-01 or p-07 are significantly better pistols

>>31461522
Zastavas hold 9+1 (10+1 with a custom floor plate) and the DA P762 holds 15+1.

>>31462635
>DA P762
That seems very cool. But unavailable in the USA

I just wish they weren't so fucking expensive. Why do they need to be so fucking expensive?

>>31463213
>PMR-30

>>31463217
Why do they gotta be fucking rimfire?

>>31458934
what watch is that anon?

>>31463228
>lel kek

>>31454467
My only problem is I've heard they are really fucking loud

>>31454467
They say it's not comfortable.

>>31456155
Yes

>>31456447
Also unammo.com has a shitload of 5.7mm green tip they managed to get their hands on.

>>31463424
Looks like the Garmin Epix.

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/hiking/epix-/prod146065.html

>>31460043
The reason is one of a list of reason I could not use it with another platform without drilling a threaded hole for it. The slanted angle allows me to still cowitness my lasers on my red dot without interfering with my FOV then I just route the wiring to the same location as the black button. I save money and gain more FOV this way. The folding charging handle makes it slicker then I anticipated. Anyone can buy anything with a well thought out plan. judging from your picture aswell. Your equipment is respectable. But my project needs to compete with TALOS

>>31465583
You will have to excuse my ignorance I do not know what Talos is or what Talos you are referring to. If it's a line of sight issue I can see why you wouldn't. But the drilling and tapping of the top rail on a Tavor is not that hard to do. It just seems that it would throw the whole balance of the rifle off. Oh and you're correct in your faith in the Canik, it is a fine firearm. Anyone dissing it once again must have never seen, touched, fired, or heard of it.

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>>31466190
>Talos
Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit
I am making a commercial variant that is similar to the DOD's but is far simpler and easier to construct and manage. People don't want to buy their gear piece meal they want it in one simple package that they can afford with cash or finance. The tactical equipment market is oversaturated as it is right now. as far as mounting goes it does not affect the balance in an odd way since the bore axis is linear with the barrel. Having had a peq-15 in tan and an aimpoint m64 top nailed it cut my FOV off my almost half and made it nearly impossible to clearly see well with a kill flash added. the 2015 canik was the one to get I noticed alot of differences with my carry canik on the left then my 2015 model on the right. Nothing serious but worth noting. The springs on the canik require very strong forearms to use vs the smoothness of the slide on the walther. The canik and walther are on the same planet as far as ergonomics and trigger are concerned but the walther is the overlord of the planet and is just a little bit better then the canik SA at everything by just a little bit. Glocks are a step down in terms of function but still retain reliability in there factory form. H&K is the hype of the gun world and I noticed no difference between it and the sig I was shooting. I've fired hundreds of rounds through all the big name handguns out there I would spend higher dollar on a gun if there was a better gun but nothing is right now.

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>>31454467
I'll take any modern 9mm over one. The FiveSeven has an outrageously high cool factor, but it isn't cost effective.

It is all about the number of rounds you can put on target. That is why the FBI and SWAT carry 9mm. 15+ rounds, land 2 or 3 on the perp, they're down or dead. No need for operator memes or meme cartridges.

>>31454839
That G34 looks like it is suffering early stages of slide torque. I'd take it to a smith or RMA it asap.