I'm torn between getting a 45-70 and a shotgun for camping.

a gf

>>31452760
a pump shotguns a more practical cheaper utilitarian gun but fuck that shit buy the lever gun

Just get a Matilda. You'll be safe even from the most daring highwayman

>>31452772
I've always felt if your well packed and run a high risk of a bear encounter, bring a 45-70. If your kinda just dinking around in the woods and might want to hunt small game and such, bring a shotgun and various loads.

Shotgun with slugs will be fine for bear defence as well as 45 70. If you reload get levergun if not get a shotgat

>>31452760
One good brenneke will fuck anything up to a triceratops, so pack one of those, and various loads and you should be fine with a shotgun.

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.45/70

>>31453533
anyone have that picture posted here of this gun on a vest with aviator shades?

>>31452760
That is a long fucking barrel for a camping gun

>>31452760
A 12 gauge pump shotgun will be 8000 times more versatile as a camp/innawoods gun than a lever .45-70 Memevernment would.

You can't bag a squirrel and leave harvestable meat, then turn around and off a black bear with your next shot with a .45-70.

>>31454385
This is someone who is gonna get killed shooting a bear with birdshot when he thinks his next round is a slug.

>>31453659
Make it yourself, Owen.

the rifle can be 2" smaller and still be more accurate than slugs

>>31452760
Do you have a semi auto shotgun that can hold 5+ slugs at a time?
Shotgun.
No?
Lever gun in .45-70.

Okay, but whats the best lever gun in 45-70?

>>31455350
1895SS

>>31455350
Marlin 1895

>>31455231
>Do you have a semi auto shotgun that can hold 5+ slugs at a time?
....yes?

>>31455429
That's not a GBL.

>>31454273
But bears anon

>>31455493
>not stainless
>dork loop lever
pls

>>31455514
Enjoi ur gimped capacity

>>31455453
>540 grain +p motherfucks
Idk why you guys would need any of this shit while camping. Hell, idk if you'd need anything like this on the planet in general.

Get a shotgun for practical purposes and a Glock 20 for bears.

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>tfw no classy af revolving .45/70

>>31455804
It's a matter of how far you can push something, no matter how stupid or I'll advised.

>>31455804
>Idk why you guys would need any of this shit while camping.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodiak_bear
There are places in North America where monsters still roam.

>>31456044
Look out! He's coming right for us!

>>31455804
Cyberdemons, anon. They're just one portal away.

>>31454444
Quads confirm

>>31456044
Gotta look out for the animal that injures people once every other year.

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just get an ar-15. anything else is just a toy. dont waste your money, an AR-15 is well suited to any possible need you have. 556 is ballistically unmatched by any current or historically fielded ammunition. No hard feelings kid, but if you don't get an AR-15 your just a fuckin retard and a toy collector.

>>31456722
>Autism

>>31456722
>two barrels
>two bolts
>one buffer tube
how?

Remington 700 sps tactical .308 7.62x51 with an archangel stock equity with cheek rest and bipod

>>31455804
Wendigo.

>>31455231

Remington 1100 checking in with +2 tube extension makes it a 6+1, you sure you want to ask again.

>>31457043
>what is procedural logic
Given that you have that gun, shotgun is fine. If you did not, I would have recommended the levergat.

>>31457070

I don't see what major difference the action type makes on the shotgun so long as it repeats.

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>>31452760
as someone who lives in bearland, i love a 45-70 for protection against bear. it's far superior to shotguns for this task.

in order for a shotgun to be effective against a bear, you'd need to use slugs, which are less accurate and shorter ranged than a 45-70.

you can also hunt other game, but you need some practice to be able to do it past 100-150 yards, the trajectory is different in these rounds than more modern rifles.

if you don't need protection from large dangerous game than the shotgun is the superior choice, if for no other reason than the variety of shot type.

>>31452769
This

>>31455804
>Need

>>31456750
maybe it's a gas piston system?

>>31456722
>anon got btfo 3 days ago and is still bitching with this pasta

>>31453342
A 12gauge slug is better than a .45-70.

>>31460762
400gr at 2000ft/s for the .45-70 versus 600gr at 1500ft/s for the 12g black magic slugs. I've got both and I think I'd take the .45-70 for better penetration.

The one thing about 45-70 is that it has a rainbow effect.

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>>31452760

Are you planning on hunting or do you just want security against Mr. Grizzly?

If you aren't planning on hunting then I'd go with a big ass revolver or maybe a 10mm. Long guns can be a pain to hike with.

>>31452760
45-70 is totally outdated. Get a real rifle caliber like 30-06 or a 20 gauge shotgun.

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>>31452760
Marlin 30-30... Literally more than you'll ever need for camping, hunting, plinking, etc.
.45-70 is not only expensive, kicks like a bull, AND expensive, but also overkill for most shit that would unlikely attack you in the wilderness.

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The only benefit of a 12 gauge in this situation is if you think you'll need to harvest game. In that case you'll need to carry birdshot and slugs.

>>31463475
>rainbow effect

It's called a parabolic curve. A moot point for the cartridge's new purpose (brush gun).

>>31463554
>kicks like a bull

Harden the fuck up; .30-30 is basically 7.62x39 and not ideal for defense against bears.

>>31463554
>kicks like a bull
Found the pussy who's never heard of bears

>>31452760
Do you camp somewhere where there are brown bears or just black bears? If you only have to deal with black bears, a big revolver, 10 mm or .45 Super on the hip and a shotgun loaded with rubber slugs, rubber buckshot or bean bags will work. Less lethal projectiles will get a black bear to fuck right off pretty well.

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>>31463619
Honestly though, how often are you going to come across a pissed off bear that's hell bent on killing you?
I know the chance is still there, but for what OP is asking I'm going to have to say yes and no.
Yes the .45-70 /w hot handloads will punch clear through an elephant and any other large dangerous game like a warm knife on butter.
No because lever actions are the most complex and least reliable repeating rifles, but then again any rifle can be unreliable under the right circumstances. Plus under a stressful situation OP could "under pull" or overwork the lever, causing a jam in the worst case scenario.
Always keep Murphy's Law in mind when making these decisions.
Only reason I suggested .30-30 was because it's more on the affordable side for fun/defense/practicing while .45-70 can seem like fun and guaranteed safety, will quickly drain your wallet even if you reload yourself. Plus OP can still load hot hc flat nose and/or buy Buffalo Bore as an alternative for grizz and kodiaks, whatever.

>>31463619
>Harden the fuck up
yes when you miss out on followup shots surely the bear will think "what a badass" while devouring you
retard

>>31452760
Cool as .45-70's are I'd probably go with a shotgun, slugs will take down a bear pretty good and shells are cheap as fuck. Plus you feel better about treating an 870 as a truck gun than an 1895.

>>31463656
>Harden the fuck up
>>31463656
>Found the pussy

I'd only use where .45-70 IF there no follow up shots, which in the case of a pissed off mama bear coming after you, it's probably going to require a mag dump out of natural human fear. Most likely all of your shots are going to be all over the place as you frantically work the lever.
Round's good for hunting though.

>>31463759
>>31463619
>>31463554
What am I looking at price wise for a .30-30?

I'm thinking about getting a lever gun for backpacking/camping. I'm not big on bolt guns for brush guns- unless I could find a jungle carbine- and tactical shit scares hippies I might run into.

I'm just not a shotgun fan.

>>31456750
the bolts probably sit in a single unified carrier.

>>31463835
>Most likely all of your shots are going to be all over the place as you frantically work the lever.
You say this like it's a bad thing. .45-70 is one of the few rounds that will fuck up a bear no matter where you hit them. That shit will destroy any bone in any bear's body and keep going.

Shotgun. I've got both an 870 and an 1895G in .45-70. The shotgun's only disadvantage is long distance shooting.

The shotgun costs half as much, has cheaper ammo, similar capacity, similar penetration capabilities, similar weight, and is wildly more versatile.

The 1895G's sole advantage, long distance shooting, is a pain in the ass anyway due to the trajectory. Even if you learn your holds well, if you change to a radically different load to take smaller game, the holds will be completely different. You end up only being comfortable taking shots at the extreme end of where a shotgun slug would be effective anyway.

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>>31463551
>45-70 is outdated
>Get a 30-06 or a 20 gauge

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>>31455804
>need

>>31452769
fpbp

this shits bugging me cause we're talking bears and i have first hand experience
>>31457270
this is my first post

>>31460762
no

>>31460889
correct

>>31463759
this is interesting and kind of true
> a stressful situation OP could "under pull" or overwork the lever
this is a real thing, you need practice so you don't fuck yourself up with a lever

>>31463835
if a pissed bear is charging, you're only getting one shot, unless it's strangely really far away in which case a shotgun won't do you much good until it's close enough to only get one shot anyway

>>31464008
>similar penetration capabilities
no, slug does not penetrate nearly as well on large game

some guides carry and recommend shotguns with 00 buck as first shot with slugs following, primarily to be used as deterrent, and they're as likely to recommend bear spray which is also effective.

other guides carry 45-70 or other rifle calibers from 30-06 to 375 h&h

both guns have been used and work

bottom line is if i had one shot with a bear, it's 45-70 all day long and not even close.

>>31463759
>Plus under a stressful situation OP could "under pull" or overwork the lever, causing a jam in the worst case scenario.
This is more likely with a shotgun anyways.

>>31460762
>>31460889
Both would have more than adequate penetration. Followups with a pump are much quicker than a lever though

>>31452760
>>31453533
there is a 45/70 model specifically for turners tahts about 6 hundo, 4 round cap.

Not sure what its for. Not a guide gun because barrel length and cap are different. Think its just a turners special.

>>31466708
Nobody trusts their lives to a semi auto?

>>31452760
either will kill everything ever, .45-70 just makes things more dead and you can fine tune your rounds if you reload.

if money is a concern, get the shotgun. if you can afford a reloading setup or if you have a friend who reloads, .45-70 is worth it imo.

I'd say that between the two, a moderate to hot .45-70 kicks more than a 12 ga slug.

>>31466962
you don't have a whole lot of options with rounds there.

7.62x51 or 54R would probably be good enough, and .30-06 is also good enough, but for the cost of a good semi-auto rifle in one of those calibers you could get a .45-70 and a reloading setup.

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A 12ga then pay twice the price for .45/70 bullets in shells.

>>31466150
>implying you know anything about guiding hunts or have ever even seen a fucking bear in person
Fuck off, nerd.

Last time you ever had something rush at you it was the poptart shooting up from your mom's toaster you fucking loser. How many slugs did it take to get it down your throat you fat piece of shit?

>>31467024
I mean a semi auto shotgun like a Mossberg 930SPX or Benelli M2 Tactical

Seven semi auto shots of magnum slugs out of an 18" barrel aren't going to take out a bear?

>>31455887
what is this tho? i hope thats not a taurus in 45-70 thats like a nuclear suicide weapon

>>31469068
Hey, if it's THAT reliable where you'd totally trust your life to it, go for it.

A lot of these high-caliber dangerous game weapons are manual-action for a reason, though.

>>31460762
Someone posted about this a few days ago and had found out that his slugs were actually 45-70 rounds inside a plastic shell and marked up 100%. So get a 10mm or something so you're not lugging a 7 pound gun around the mountains for a "maybe" problem.

>>31467371
this is the thing, thanks.

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If the only reason i'm taking a long gun innawoods is for bear (and by bear, i mean grizzly. black bear are retardedly easy to scare and also not that hard to kill) than i'll be taking a .45-70.


However, last i recalled, griz don't live on the east coast no more so if i do bring a long gun, it's going to be a shotgun.

>>31469094
I think that's just a picture of their regular .410 and anon is lamenting that no such thing is available in .45-70. I concur. It'd be pretty tits as long as somebody other than Taurus was responsible for actually putting it together.

>>31469423
a 45-70 revolving carbine, or even a .410/45lc made by not taurus would be awesome. I think the judge/governor is a gimmick but as a small and light little carbine it would be pretty handy. The BFR 45-70 is also a fuckin gimmick but if they made it with 16" barrel and a stock it would be cool.

Thinking about camping in AK next winter to see the wilderness and northern lights with my friend. What gun should I buy to bring with me? I was thinking something in .300 winmag with irons so we could also shoot for fun, but I'm rethinking that because weight.

Definitely want both a spray and a gun in case of bears though. I don't want to take any chances on one of them not working.

>>31469534
300 win mag is pretty expensive and overpowered for a fun gun. 45-70 Guide Guns were made for alaska, kill bears and moose and shit. I'd take an AK pistol, shotgun, or guide gun. If you are after a bolter just get a cheap remington 700 and a used .44mag and you are good to go on hunting and defense.

I can see wanting a bolt gun for fun in a big space like that.

>>31469562
Cost isn't a huge issue for me. I hadn't even considered taking my AK pistol. That could be cool. Definitely gonna look at getting a little .44 pack gun though. It'll suck to practice with and I hope I won't have to use it.

I'm open to suggestions on a lightweight .44 pack gun.

>>31469601
Actually, I might just buy a model 29 and call it a day. Then I could use it for fun and protection.

>>31469068
Dont have one
If you got one you would trust your life to go ahead. We're arguing cartridge more than gun.

>>31453533
Holy fuck, someone saved a picture of my rifle.

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>>31469781
I love that gun by the way. I just wish 45-70 was as cheap as .223/5.56

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>>31469291
but what about skinwalkers anon

>>31470248
Well, that changes things a bit.

but by capacity alone i'll take a 12 gauge. i don't own a guide gun but iirc it's a 4+1 while (in aftermarket parts at least) you can bump a 12 gauge to 8+1. though i admit most are 5+1 at the most. (you can also use them aguila mini shells for more shots, their ballistics are surprisingly good for gimmicky exotic shells)

But if i somehow knew a skinwalker would be coming for a visit, i'd just brink my WASR.

>>31470445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g38T7w007Q0

i dont think Mr. Skinwalker is going to be doing much chasing with 6 rounds of this in him.

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>>31470726
Neat.

>>31455350
1895G

From before Remington fucked them up.

>>31456698
It could happen to YOU!.

>>31454385
> thinks there will be any use able squirrel left after he potato mashes it from 15' with #4 shot.

>>31474259
>he's never shot a squirrel
>he's comparing 7 shot to what's almost a turkeyload.
Protip, 7 shot is perfect for squirrels. the pellets never go much deeper than the fur if you're shooting tree niggers anywhere past 10 feet.

>>31453342
If you are worried about bear buy bear spray. If you just want to be armed in the woods buy a shotgun carry different loads for whatever you may need to shoot. Carry a few flare rounds just in case.

>>31474626
>buy bear spray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvnx4M293oU

>>31474670
>sits there and tries asking a bear to stop

top kek

>>31455804
>need

>>31470445
1895gbl = 6+1

>>31454385
hey faggot.

Something that's designed for slow, modest expansion in a large, heavily-muscled and thickly boned apex predator will blow through a squirrel before it even realizes it touched flesh. End result: .45-caliber hole in a very dead but very much useable squirrel.

And a side result is you don't blind but not fatally wound the bear that eats you when you accidentally a trap load instead of your bearfucker slug because you decided to mix the mag tube.

>>31455453
>for when you need to kill a bear, the Tyrannosaurus Rex behind it, and the hardened bunker behind the Rex

>>31455887
>tfw still have all your fingers on your left hand because full-bore rifle rounds in anything with a cylinder gap is dumb

>>31465269
>>31458590
>suggesting girls over guns
Get off /k/, Normies.

>>31457270
If you're needing to shoot a bear, you're needing to shoot that bear at <25 yards.

Foster-style non-sabot slugs are accurate to 150m from a cylinder-bored barrel, which also happens to be about the furthest the average shooter can be expected to hit the vitals of even something as large as a grizzly offhand in a non-life-or-death situation, regardless of gauge/caliber.

I mother fucking love a good leaver action thread.

>>31463937
You can get a used Marlin 336 for usually at or under $400 in good shape.

Factory .30-30 runs about $14/box of 20 here and we have everything from 110gr-170gr available widely in factory loads.

If you handload, I've seen as far as 260gr RN used in metallic silhouette shooting, which despite being about as high velocity as a geriatric fart retains enough energy to not only knock over a 150lb buffalo silhouette at 300 yards but take it clean off the target stand.

>>31453342
Bear encounters are rare, and even if you see one you don't need to blast its ass off.

>>31475020
>He says to Denali anon.

Well if I've got my license and tags for the year, yeah that fucker is going down if I feel like doing the work to clean and pack it. If It charges and I don't want to keep it I can always call fish and game to take it.
>>31474626
>bear spray

Yeah go fuck yourself.

>>31463554
I have a Marlin 336RC from the 50's and while I love my grandpa's deer rifle I'm not ever going to rely on it in a survival situation if I can help it.

>>31464023
He's right though, completely. If you have an AR (and I don't know why any American serious about gun ownership wouldn't have one) just get an upper that fires a heavy round like .458 SOCOM or .450 Bushmaster because both of those have comparable energy to a .45-70 AND out of a semi-auto platform. If you're being charged by a bear you have ten .458 on tap and if you alternate JHP and FMJ there is no reason why you couldn't kill any bear on the face of the planet.

>>31475402
Comparable to the low end of 45-70