"Here's proof that free men can out-produce slaves."

>>31441752
Le Droit

Here is a megadump of ww2 pacific fleet tangentially related
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Boeing's Seattle plant made 16 complete B-17's a day

How free the USSR factory workers were...

>>31441758
awesome imgur link!

Willow Run produced 650 B-24s per month

>>31441774
unbirth yourself faggot

>>31441752
All of them, people don't realizethat every town that had electricity and a rail connection and big enough for 2 stoplights had some kind of war production facility.

>>31441798
True, but what American cities were necessary for the war production effort?

>>31441752
>Here's proof that free men can out-produce slaves if you put them to work in socialistic way with government planning and stuff.

>>31441752
Long Island had Grumman

>>31441841
Well its not quite socialism, as their was a need, and was paied for though taxes, with companys selling to the goverment.

>>31441827
The big ones.

>>31441752
Detroit bby

>>31441752
Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago. I know I'm forgetting something but those are the 3 biggest. I'm also rolling the suburban areas into this because no one other than a local would say Taylor or Warren or whatever isn't basically Detroit and part of the industrial base.

It's a damn shame Detriot is such shit nowadays, it's like Robocop was actually a good universe and not this reality.

Trump needs to bring back manufacturing back to the States, he needs to clean the nigs and make Detroit great again.

>>31442150
You've never even seen Detroit have you?

>>31442154
No, but I have seen its past and present pictures.

What's your point?

>>31442164
That you're speaking from a place of ignorance, both in terms of Detroit, and manufacturing as a whole.

>>31442171
But Detroit was a manufacturing powerhouse from the 30s to the 50s.

>>31442177
And it (and the surrounding areas) are to this day. I work in manufacturing. My lab processes hundreds of millions of pounds of material/parts a month. I think we did around 3.8 billion last year. Manufacturers are just much more automated. They have little/no need for unskilled workers fresh from high school.

>>31442186
Is this why Ford moves its car manufacturing factories to Mexico instead of staying in Detroit?

>>31442150
Manufacturing output in America is already increasing.

>>31442154
I have and it's shit. Everything that isn't in the city center or the far flung suburbs is shit.

>>31442205
We need to become independent of foreign labor again.

Might even have an american-made smartphone.

>>31442222
I'm not American, I'm just dispelling a myth you hold about your country.

>>31442232
It's not a myth.

The majority of goods made in America are not made in America.

>>31442238
>The majority of goods sold in America are not made in America*

>>31442238
That's just because you're consuming more stuff. Manufacturing output is still at its historical peak.

>>31442225
Well, Wikipedia has a list for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories

You have more foreign Ford factories than US ones.

>>31442251
And?

We should manufacture the stuff we consume, not let others do it for us.

Self-sufficiency and independence are supposed to the staple of this country.

>>31442266
You've never been entirely self-sufficient and you never will be.

But all of a sudden you're shipping in American-owned cars instead of American-owned fruit or British-owned tea, and it's a problem for you!

It's really not that laudable a goal anyway. Your quality of life would go down, and you'd just be complaining about the rise in price of cheap commodity goods after a few years.

>>31442266
That ship sailed decades ago. Free market capitalism naturally leads to basic manufacture being done there where unskilled labour is cheap. You could go very protectionist at the cost of higher price of consumer goods. In the future when industrial robotics advance even further factories might return to the western world, if tax + law environment is permissive enough.

Having factories which require lots of unskilled labour is not exactly good for the country, as it means that a fair share of the populace must work at a small wage.

>>31442310
I would agree with quality being down as long as the country is self-sufficient.

Prices would be more expensive, but I'm happy knowing I put money to feed some americans and not some chinks or spics.

>>31442314
That ship can go back as long as we want.

Free market capitalism has its problems and that one is one of its problems.

>Having factories which require lots of unskilled labour is not exactly good for the country, as it means that a fair share of the populace must work at a small wage.
Rather than everyone working in factories than having no job at all.

>>31442324
>Rather everyone working in factories than having no job at all*

>>31441752
It was and the ones which weren't bombed...

>>31442376
which american cities were bombed in ww2 you retard?

>>31442449
San Diego or LA. on the west coast. plus like hundreds hot air balloons the nips released to hopefully firebomb american cities. all they did was start like half a dozen forest fires and kill a kindergarten class that was on a field trip to the forrest iirc

also u boats on the east coast can sorta be called bombing.

>>31442449
>I am the retard
>I wasn't implying that the might of American contributions to ww2 didn't involve it being relatively untouched by actual fighting

wew lad.

>>31442314
>Having factories which require lots of unskilled labour is not exactly good for the country, as it means that a fair share of the populace must work at a small wage.
What do you think those people who would be working in the factories in the absence of the factory jobs?

>>31442878
Taking advantage of the multitude of educational opportunities in both college and trade schools to start a more fulfilling and better paying career than attaching a door to a car.

>>31442222
>Might even have an american-made smartphone
We did, the Moto X. No one bought it though, so they started making them in China.

>>31443676
Except degrees like Gender's studies exist.
>>31443711
Maybe americans would be wiser next time.

>>31441752
Wichita.

>>31443676
How idealistic of you. The people who worked in factories before weren't working there because they were just lazy and didn't want to go a higher paying job. Some people are just suited to low skilled labor, not having jobs for them doesn't make them suddenly suited for something else.

They just get other unskilled jobs in retail or food service or what have you, except these jobs only pay minimum wage and they have to collect government subsidies.

>>31443954
Hate to break it to you champ but factory work is unskilled labour nowadays. Unless you're envisioning an industry of small crafts, which isn't going to happen.

>>31443711
I bet you always laugh at those crazy chinks who assemble the phones working for low wages everytime it gets brought up, what makes you think this is a great idea?

>>31443954
Maybe they should learn to do something then. If you have no ability beyond breathing then you will forever be relegated to a mediocre occupation with teenagers of the next generation.

>>31443984
>factory work is unskilled labour nowadays
No, those jobs are almost entirely automated now. Only skilled and semi-skilled positions remain, with a few exceptions.

>>31443849
>Maybe americans would be wiser next time.
Would you pay 2000 $USD for your "100% american" phone ?
Would you do it if there was the alternative of a 600 $USD "made in China" phone ?

>>31443997
Exactly.

>>31443984
>>31443990
Dude, working in the factories is certainly than majoring Gender's Studies and become unemployed, or even a tabloid writer.

The idea that labor job is somehow below you is what kills modern society, everyone is lazy and think they are smart.

>>31444002
I would pay $2000 for the 100% american phone, money isn't everything, it is better to pay for goods made by your countrymen and something made in China.

People nowadays just worship money.

>>31444009
So you're saying you wanna work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for $5/hrs? Because that's what it costs for you to be cheaper than a robot. Production and manufacturing is 24/7, 365 days a year.

>>31443997
Bullshit, please explain why there are factories in Mexico and Argentina or China or Vietnam.

>>31444009
Your "working in the factories" doesn't exist anymore, and anybody who does find such a haven isn't going to be earning any more than somebody who took majored in Gender Studues.

>>31444009
More like nobody want to work 8 hours shift in a repetitive manual labor if he can avoid it.

Most of us are much happier in front of a computer, faking being busy doing a work that has been completed hours ago, so we can spend our time on the Internet.

>>31444031
Yes, certainly.

Because if I don't do, then who will?

These jobs will get shipped to the 3rd world, and we have to depend on them, while thinking we are superior.

>>31444038
It exists plenty in China, Africa, South Asia and South East Asia i.e. the modern main manufacturing bases.

>and anybody who does find such a haven isn't going to be earning any more than somebody who took majored in Gender Studues.
And? Their jobs are ultimately more productive than making tabloids.

>>31444035
The cost of labor is less than that of automation in those countries, because they cannot domestically produce the equipment required to do so.

>>31444009
Those people weren't going to be anybody productive anyway. Why is your heart bleeding out for these dumb shits?

>>31444043
And that's why the modern generation is lazy, entitled and weak.

We think we are smart because we cannot avoid labor, and end up being weak and dependent as a return.

>>31444067
Then why are manufacturing in these countries even outweigh even America?

>>31444066
>It exists plenty in China, Africa, South Asia and South East Asia i.e. the modern main manufacturing bases.
It can only exist because a dollar can feed a man for a day over there. Are you saying you want America to be a society of chink slaves? You are fucking retarded.

>Their jobs are ultimately more productive than making tabloids.
I'm sure they say the same about you. We live in a capitalist society dude, if the wages are the same, they're of equal value.

>>31444068
Because they would end up making american goods, for americans to consume, and we do not have to rely on foreigners to do it for us.

>>31444097
>Then why are manufacturing in these countries even outweigh even America
What? Are you a native English speaker? If so, slow the fuck down there chief, because I don't know what you're asking.

>>31444102
>It can only exist because a dollar can feed a man for a day over there. Are you saying you want America to be a society of chink slaves? You are fucking retarded.
I want America to be a working man's country, where people work physically job instead of sitting their ass on office and then go to the gym at night.
>I'm sure they say the same about you. We live in a capitalist society dude, if the wages are the same, they're of equal value.
The chinks don't know how good they got, considering they got actual infrastructure and actual skills from labor, while the average america cannot even change a lightbulb.

>>31444108
Why are manufacturing sectors in these countries outweigh even America?

>>31444107
And I'm sure they'll thank you for it when they break their backs doing slave labor and buying overpriced rubbish. There are a lot of losers from international trade, but America isn't one of them. It's a winner, in fact THE winner. IF any country has a right to complain about trade, it's every single country in the world, bar America.

>>31444035
American workers are expensive because minimum wages are high.

That ain't a problem for jobs that generate a high added value or who cannot be automated/delocalized.
But for the others, you look at the cost of machines and foreign workers.

It just so happens that, for an equal level of infrastructure, a mexican unskilled laborer can be as productive as an american unskilled laborer.
So unless transporting the product costs so much that it negate the salary gap, you will base production in Mexico.

If transport or other factors linked to Mexico are negating the salary gap but the task can be cheaply automated, you'll automated it in the USA.

>>31444139

people like you are why conservatives are considered retarded

you have literally no understanding of labor, production, and technology; and you belong in a zoo because you are a monkey

>>31444163
Nobody is the winner in the international trade, except the ones running the corporation.

You are still buying rubbish made by the chinks, except they are cheap.

Man I hate the modern economy I would be happy being a ship builder or a skilled factory worker, I have worked two summers at a tree farm digging holes and lifting trees, it felt good to do real work, I worked at a deliveray company and delivered furniture and washing machines and drove a truck, that was great, I got my associates and am now 21 and looking to get a bs in environmental science. I would go military but am disqualified because of anti depressants (worst part is I didn't take them for depression but to counter act the effects of vyvanse and I cnat quit it cold turkey tried and just vomited for a month).
I just feel that in modern society there is no use for individuals like me, I am not content to laze in an office for 8 hours of the day pretending to be productive.

>>31444166
And I'm saying, it's time to look above the cost and money.

The country needs its domestic manufacturing base that can function with or without foreign countries, this is more important than buying cheaper goods at the cost of your own country.

>>31444185
Yep, such progressive thinking, where industries are like cat and mouse, just looking for the hotspots that have very low wages and basing industries there, instead of having a good national industry.

>>31442201
Ford has 15 factories in Detroit and 5 in Mexico.

>>31444226
companies used to have a sense of national loyalty, some time after 1945 that died, and it became all about profits, and fuck the people

>>31442260
Because Ford sells cars overseas and shipping Fiestas across the Atlantic is retarded.

It's the same reason why Hyundai, Toyota, and Honda all build cars in the US.

>>31444251
Is that still true?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories

>>31444204
You really wanna work in a factory for shitty pay? I can get you hired as furnace operator by Monday afternoon.
>>31444159
That sentence still doesn't make sense. Are you asking why other countries produce more? Because, with the possible exception of China (I don't have enough numbers on hand) no single country produces more manufactured goods than the US. And if China does, it should make sense since they have almost 5x our population. If you want to produce efficiently, they you automate.

I'm just upset that hard work is devalued and sneered upon, people speak poorly of sanitation workers despite the fact that they do a very important job and are fairly compensated, people speak poorly of plumbers despite them doing a very important sanitation job. But you have a BS in in communications and work in HR you are a fucking god that the world cannot function with out. I think people have been believing their own crap for too long

>>31444206
>The country needs its domestic manufacturing base that can function with or without foreign countries
But it does? The ones with the know-how are the middle-managers, the designers, the foremen, the educators. They're the ones who design the goods, design the factories, make the training schedules, sort out the logistics. They're still here in America. They're the real manufacturing base. The people doing jobs that only exist because a robot is more expensive? They're not the manufacturing base. They're just chumps who have the amazing ability have four whole limbs and survive on a dollar a day.

>>31444271
is the pay around 35k a year, that's all I need for the life I want. just want a small house a car and good friends to go out and have a beer with. Americans have become deluded with material goods and have forgotten the importance of interpersonal and family relations

>>31444271
Except the capitalists/corporations have never given a shit about efficiency, for them, it's all about cost being low.

There's no point to automation if people can work lesser than a robot.

>>31444282
What can I say? If you do a job that anybody can do, it doesn't matter how important it is, because if you quit, you'll find another 6 billion people who can (but not would) do the job. The job is important but the person? Nah, he's a nobody.

>>31444286
Send these men to a factory and see how many goods they make per day.

>The people doing jobs that only exist because a robot is more expensive? They're not the manufacturing base. They're just chumps who have the amazing ability have four whole limbs and survive on a dollar a day.
It's them who make the goods so they are the manufacturing base.

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>>31444256
>companies used to have a sense of national loyalty, some time after 1945 that died, and it became all about profits, and fuck the people

GM owned Opel during WW2, and convinced the US not to bomb Opel's German factories so they could continue collecting profits and license fees (at the expense of Allied lives, considering Opel manufactured military vehicles and aircraft for Nazi Germany.)

The idea that American companies were run by patriots is a product of PR.

>>31444308
You illiterate nitwit, what is cost efficiency?

>>31444324
The problem is these 6 billion are not from your country, they are foreigners.

They slave away, being productive, while you think they are stupid.

>>31444297
30k a year and you'll be working 7 days. After taxes and health insurance it'll probably be around 19k.

>>31444297
I will use an example of how deluded people are, I live on longisland an oversized sand bar with the highest concentration of super fund sites in America a super fund site is a location that the epa has deemed a major health hazard and needs extensive remediation clean up let me some of them, brook haven national laboratory nuclear reactor leek confirmed that trintium has leaked into the local aquifer, 1000 sheep's pasture heavy metal and chrominum, peerless paper company dumped tons of photo processing chemicals yet people are still willing to pay 150k for a 3 bedroom house

>>31444338
Making the cheapest shit possible to sell to braindead customers?

>>31442209
Ive also seen detroit, and i agree. Worst city 2016

>>31444265
Ford make american cars, if they want to ship american cars, they better make their cars in America.

>It's the same reason why Hyundai, Toyota, and Honda all build cars in the US.
Ideally they should go back to Japan/Korea too.

>>31444359
>Making the cheapest shit possible to sell to braindead customers?

which American-manufactured handmade computer did you type this message into?

>>31444357
here us a link, keep in mind people pay shittons of money to live on this overly polluted and crowed sand bar
http://data.newsday.com/long-island/data/water/superfund/

>>31444327
Cool story bro. If everybody blows up their cargo ships overnight, it won't be Mexico/China/whatever making a billion new factories. Your """real manufacturing base""" wouldn't even know where to begin.

>>31444383
No, my shit is made in China, and it's not a good thing.

I have no choice in this matter either. All electronic shit nowadays is made in China.

>>31444357
>>31444387
So, uh, why haven't you moved yet? I mean, you're calling them stupid, but you're the one who lives there.

>>31444391
At this point, the chinks can copy anything so I'm not sure about that.

>>31444393
>I have no choice in this matter either. All electronic shit nowadays is made in China.

The internet wouldn't even exist without cheap, mass-produced components. Every single telecom, business website, or internet company - yes, even the ones that pay high domestic wages and the ones that make oodles of money off of "braindead" consumer bases - rely on being able to buy and build affordable infrastructure. Without outsourcing in Taiwan, China, Korea, and others, the internet as we know it would simply not exist.

By reducing the cost of manufacturing, we reduce investment resources and increase the total value of a system, even if that means incorporating into the system people who don't look like us. This is only a bad thing if you don't like capitalism or asians.

>>31444417
living on campus.

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>>31444297

Become a Roofer or roof welder whatever you call it in America

you be baking in the sun and carrying 40-50kg rolls of roof paper in no time not to mention mending roof

by the end of the year the only word you can speak will be Kurwa Kurwa

>>31444452
So at this point, we are giving money to foreigners to make goods and sell back to us.

So no, free trade capitalism needs adjustment. It needs to serve the country and the people in that country, not foreigners.

Don't know if it's been posted yet but:

The Allegheny region produced more steel in 1944 than the Axis powers combined did.
Through the whole war.

>>31444457
that's not me that's some different anon I will name fag my self I'm the li fag

>>31444417
although the sites are great for cheki breki stalking, just watch out for chems and shit, really common to see battery acid and other shit

>>31444493
oh also some of the sites have state sponsored security and what ever you do don't let them find you, otherwise you will be spending time in the pokey, especially if you are on the old gruman sites

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>>31444474
Let me remind you that we do the same, except what we sell is ideas. And ideas is what drives value, not some Marxist bullshit about the value of a good coming from the labor time invested.

>>31444542
anon that sounds unamerican

>>31444542
I care about neither idea or labor, or even cost.

What matters is the people should be working labor job that builds strength and skill, not wasting their lives sitting behind a computer.

>>31444474
>So at this point, we are giving money to foreigners to make goods and sell back to us.

god, you are thick.

Okay, so. Intel is an American company, right?
They produce processor chips in the US and Europe in high-tech facilities, relying on highly-educated workers and world-class engineers.

Then they ship those chips out to component manufacturing facilities in China and Vietnam, where low construction and labor costs mean they can rapidly adjust manufacturing lines to adapt to new markets and products.

Their components are then sold to device manufacturers all over the world, and they end up in servers purchased by customers within every sector of the global computer industry.

You're looking at the single shittiest part of this process - component manufacturing, where workers are immediately replaceable and totally worthless - and you're saying, "I want that for MY country," despite the fact that, as Americans, we're already the ones ending up with the corporate profits, the cheap products, and the high-tech design jobs.

>>31444567
>What matters is the people should be working labor job that builds strength and skill, not wasting their lives sitting behind a computer.

any job that can be accomplished by a robot is a waste of life for a human being. The reason you can be happy planting trees for years is because you are stupid.

>>31444591
Except without these manufacturing bases, there wouldn't be these chips in the first place.

Your highly-educated workers and world-class engineers can't even produce the goods that they design. That's a big ass problem.

>despite the fact that, as Americans, we're already the ones ending up with the corporate profits, the cheap products, and the high-tech design jobs.
A lot word for selling cheap shit to braindead customers.

>>31444567
Wait until you're 35 and say that. Unless you don't like your hands, knees, back, or body in general

>>31444567
You better not use the internet, drive a car, own a phone etc then, because all of those were designed by people wasting their lives sitting behind a computer.

>>31444604
Human beings have never been above physical labor.

You have a different standard of human being than me.

>>31444567
Your argument is DYEL? Seriously?

>>31444623
Designed, true, but made by who?

>>31444620
Nowadays everybody is already having problems at 30 because we are too fucking fat and lazy.

>>31444636
DYEL?

>>31444604
>The reason you can be happy planting trees for years is because you are stupid.
You think food comes from Safeway, don't you...?

>>31444663
>that can be
he probably does,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>>31444617
>Your highly-educated workers and world-class engineers can't even produce the goods that they design. That's a big ass problem.

you're kidding, right?

The US makes precision machine tools. They make industrial robots. They design chips, and components, and boards, and they design completed systems, and they write all the code for them and build datacenters for them to connect to.

What we DON'T do is roll out crappy steel for device cases, assemble boards, and screw the boards into the device cases. Do you actually think that's hard? Are we somehow incapable of that?

If the rest of the world disappeared overnight, we would be able to continue producing without a hitch, except for the fact that all our current industries would completely collapse because there would no longer be any customers for our high-tech telecom systems or machine tools or military equipment. The worldwide economy is massively interconnected, and every nation involved gets paid to do what it's best at. The system makes complete sense unless you're a mouthbreathing nationalist running on 50s ideals.

>>31444710
>system
but here is an issue since America has no unified cultural identity in the sense of European nations we need that nationalistic patriotic ideal to stay together without it we are nothing I'm a third generation multi racial American with out the concept of American solidarity and associated identity I have nothing linking myself to my fellow country men.

>>31441752
Tell that to Soviet workers who was forced to work 24/7 during WWII.

>>31444567
>working in a coal mine is good for you
No, it isn't, it's fucking terrible.

>>31444803
sitting at your desk isn't good for you either ever wonder why obesity is skyrocketing.

>>31444733
Have you ever stepped outside. Most people can at best, tolerate their countrymen. Countries outside if the US don't go around shoulder to shoulder and all that bollocks.
I live in the UK, most people are tossers. Probably works the same for you.

>>31444757
They didn't and they received US lend lease.

If it wasn't for the P39, US fuel trucks, or just US lend lease in general, the USSR would have died off before Stalin could have come out of his meltdown.

>>31444825
Shitty food. That's it.
You can sit at a desk all day and not be fat, you can't work in a coal mine and not get skeletal/lung problems.

>>31444836
Well no, thats not at all true.

>>31444829
yeah I have... pretty sad actually I see a lot of disenfranchised people who are under employed or have no obvious means of economic advancement, which generates racial animosity and discord and substance abuse... I really whish I could find a way to help my fellow citizens.. they are in pain..

>>31444733
Nationalism counts for nothing in Europe. Class warfare is where it's at. I'll sooner hug a bro from France than some snooty git who happens to speak English.

>>31444848

>sitting all day

Just be sure to stretch the hip flexors and hamstrings at the end of the day.

>>31444870
Why not do away with factories altogether? Go back to an agricultural economy! Do away with the industrial revolution! Imagine an entire nation of Amish!

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>>31444848
You are aware modern coal mines aren't guys swinging pick axes anymore right?

>>31444335
>The idea that American companies were run by patriots is a product of PR.
This. Companies and corporations have, and will always, exist solely to create profit for the top earners. I swear, schools skip the entire period of history between the civil war and WWI.

>>31444825
>sitting at your desk isn't good for you either ever wonder why obesity is skyrocketing.

I've only had two white collar jobs so far, but at both of them:

1. standing desks were an option
2. you could leave the building at any point and go for a walk/take a nap in your car/literally drive away to do something else (as long as you had your work done at the end of the week)

our sysadmin at my last place would go on hour-long walks after lunch every day and he probably would've quit immediately if he ever got reprimanded for it

>>31444268
Yes, you just don't know what suburbs are part of Detroit.

>>31444885
This.

>>31444943
Yes. They're a handful of guys operation machinery. A handful of skilled guys, sitting in a chair all day operating machines. No different than sitting at a computer.

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>>31444080
>>31444139

No you retard. It's called progress. We figured out a more efficient way to do things and therefore utilize it. It's just a tool.

Let me ask you, what is your job? At my job, I can produce a part theoretically using all manual machines. It would have taken literal WEEKS to make one part, requiring several different machines and hundreds of setups. All dem compound angles mang. Or, we can do things how we do it now, using one horizontal NC machine and make it in just 24 hours of run time. With much greater precision and repeat-ability to boot, PLUS with much better finishes since a machine will feed it at a much more constant rate and is overall WAY more rigid by several orders of magnitude. And it is much safer to boot since you aren't exposed to flying chips, coolant can be much more extensive since it's enclosed (thus benefiting finish, tool life, and reducing the likelihood of fires) and the fact that it is inherently safer to be away from rapidly moving tables and spindles.

You have your goals mixed up. The goal isn't employing people for whatever reason. The goal is to accomplish the task in the most efficient way possible. Guess what, with things such as automation, each man becomes more productive, in my case, by an order of magnitude.

By the way, you seem to be projecting a fuck ton. How handy are you even?

>>31444204
There still are high paying production jobs in the US. Less prevalent than the glory post war days where everywhere other than the USA was a smoldering ruin or undeveloped, But they are still around. There is still plenty of automotive production, aerospace production (my industry), etc. Learn how to weld or machine. I took the machining route, but I think welding looks super interesting as well.

>>31441841
>I love hitler!!

>>31445075
>By the way, you seem to be projecting a fuck ton. How handy are you even?

no, it's common knowledge that people who actually do manual labor full-time totally love it and never complain about how shit their job is

>>31445110
Lol! That's a good one.


Then again, I feel like overall, people can complain about any job. No matter how gravy.

>>31441752
Both the Enola Gay and Bockscar were built in the Martin Bomber Plant in Bellevue, NE. Over the course of WW2, they produced 1,585 B-26s and 531 B-29s.

Two of my great grandparents on my mom's side worked there during the war.

>>31445834
Also, the Naval Ammunition Depot outside Hastings produced over 40% of the Navy's munitions between 1942 and 1946.

>>31444862
Well yes it is you retard.

Guess which aircraft was the most common fighter for the USSR?

Guess how they received fuel and food, guess who gave them food.

The glorious soviet fuck ups.

>>31444027
Fuck that, as a consumer I just want the best product I can afford and if that means less manufacturing jobs here, then so be it.

>>31445882
that's incredible and thanks for contributing to the thread.

>>31445916
I'm sorry but just flat out claiming that the Soviets couldn't have won without Lend-Lease is flat out stupid, it's the kind of thing a 16 year old who thinks they know history would say.
Germany was never going to win once they decided to open a second front, Lend-Lease got it over with quicker.

dgdhd

>>31445916
>Guess which aircraft was the most common fighter for the USSR?

The Yak-9, with 14.5k produced during war time. Less than 10k P-39s were built in total.

>Guess how they received fuel and food, guess who gave them food.

Food was mostly provided by Lend-lease, and from 1943 on at that. After the major German offensives had been halted. Fuel was not as necessary from a supply standpoint, but it goes without saying fuel was provided for vehicles that didn't run on fuel the Soviets were producing domestically.

Also, >gave
No. The Soviets paid for everything we "gave" them.

>>31441752
>150+ posts, no one even mentions New Orleans

damn /k/, educate yourself. there's a reason the WW2 museum is there.

>>31446340
what occurred at new orleans?

>>31446340
Too busy arguing with redneck retards that literally want communism

>>31446694
Lets get back to the topic at hand. What American cities were most important to the US war effort of WW2?

I read in my African-American history class (inb4) that the San Francisco bay area (especially the East Bay) was a big industrial hub for the war effort. This was a driving force in the migration of black people to the Bay Area. The whites were all pissed, but they got told that the blacks were only there temporarily, and that after the war the blacks would go back to the South. They didn't, and now the niggers in Oakland and the rest of the East Bay are... do I even have to tell you?

>>31448502
>nothing happened between the 1940s and 2010s

>>31441752
The US manufacturing sector was far less efficient than that of the Nazis or the Soviets.

The only reason we outproduced everyone else was that our cities were not subject to strategic bombing campaigns.

>>31448558
Are you for real?

>>31448640
He's not entirely wrong. The only reason we could produce complicated (and therefore less efficient) things like the M1 Garand is because our industrial base was never threatened. This is speaking relatively of course.

>>31448640
Less efficient doesn't mean bad, but the other guy has a point. Having a completely intact infrastructure with a population that wasn't demoralized by constant bombing/their homes being destroyed goes a long way when it comes to keeping the war machine rolling.

Evansville, IN is worth a mention for the number of LSTs produced there. Those were hugely instrumental in getting large amoubta of supplies and vehicles onto a beach head rapidly

>>31441752

Stupid quote.

Give a slave better tools and they'll build marvels. Just look at the gulf oil states infrastructure.

>>31448398
Seattle for one, and any city capable of large scale ship building.

>>31448558
Russia relocated their Industrial facilities to protect them from ground troops.
They were reconstructed deliberately and to state of the art and still could not get the peasants to make even welds on tank turrets. The US advantage was the workforce was better educated and the supply chain was better. They were building Liberty Ships in under 42 days complete for example. One of the rate limiters in Russian industrial processes is they would have to get what was effectively a specialist to do certain tasks what a normal US or British worker would do with some simple training. A lot of talented Russians had to do things that was effectively beneath them and this was a rate limiter. My dad taught industrial engineering and in WWII worked in a shipyard incidentally. This is something they studied after the war. Understanding the Russians was a very high priority in the late 40s and early 50s.

I will leave you with a saying from Communist Russia "As long as they continue to pretend to pay us we will continue to Pretend to work" As a Russian worker in wartime you could be shot for malingering, you were hungry and tired and you were replaceable. Don't work get put in a penal battalion.

It's amazing they actually were able to do what they did but calculating "EFFICIENCY" is silly

Lend Lease was a significant aid to Russia Check out
http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm

>>31444335
That's an undisclosed element of WW2 that needs to be discussed more.

>>31445110
>machinist
>manual labor
o-ok

>>31441880
Fairly certain the German war effort was run the same way my friend. The Nazis' version of socialism wasn't really similar to the Marxist socialism that everyone thinks of now

>>31444335
That's fucking bullshit. Not only is it easily disproven, it doesn't even make sense.

>>31441752
Cambridge, Massachusetts

It was where they conducted radar research and development. Those technological improvements changed the entire war effort.

>>31444836
Well, since Stalin recovered from the meltdown a year before the first Lend Lease lots arrived.... plus, a lot of what was delivered was made of old/shitty stuff like M3 Grants, Hurricanes, early P-40s... The good, useful Lend Lease stuff arrived after Stalingrad and Kursk, when the war was already irremediably won by the Soviets and Allies. Of course the P-39s, boots, corned beef and Studebaker trucks helped, but they were only a part of the LL program.

>>31445108
I'm a machinist and my brother is a welder, both are good careers, but in both of them you're going to have to eat shit for a few years cutting your teeth in the industry unless you can get a killer opportunity and not blow it.

Still better than a hundred grand of college debt.

Henry Kaisers Shipyards. 747 Liberty ships made in the 4 Richmond shipyards alone throughout the war.

>>31446396
The shipyards that built Higgins boats is down there

Seattle, for sure. My grandfather worked for Boeing his whole life, from about 1933 until he retired in the 80's. During WWII, he was one of the project managers for various war planes built in Seattle.

He was deemed so important to the war effort, that he was not allowed to enlist. He enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor and they froze him at his job.

>>31445075
My goal has never been efficiency, it's about strengthening the people by doing labor job.

If it's really about fficiency, I would adopt full scale globalism cat & mouse shit.

>>31445969
Then you are just a consumer, not an american.

>>31445049
That's high class bullshit.

>>31444885
Now we get some actual communist in here.

>>31444931
That would be ideal, but what would happen if some modern armies attack your agricultural society?

You would get your ass kicked.

This is why factories still need to be a thing.

>>31446694
Karl Marx advocated for free trade, you fool:
>But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.
http://www.panarchy.org/engels/freetrade.html

So yes, free trade will be the tool for global communism.

>>31453326
>That would be ideal
>Ideal
...

>>31453902
Excuse me?

The amish live healthy comfortable lives.

Literally utopia in term of environment and living standard.

Regarding talk about muh free trade helping the world, what do you pro-free traders have to say about the fact the french has lost their small arm manufacturing capacity and now has to rely on entirely foreign guns?

You can say that's a problem of socialist government, but I can say that's another consequence of free trade too.

>>31453907
So why aren't you taking the job I offered you then? Move to Pontiac, work for $9/hr and load furnaces 7 days a week.

>>31453920
Website?

>>31442320
no


you would whine and whine all the time because stuff are much more expensive that it was


we dont live in the middle age anymore, globalization is the present and the future, build a villagae with likely minden people and build a wall around it, we will see if you will need to go to the outside world or will be able to make everything you need, rightist moron faggot

>>31453965
I have lived the cheap = best way all my life, it's time to change.

Globalization isn't the future I desire, independent self-sufficient nation is what I desire, and stuff being more expensive cannot stop my dream.

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>>31451429
There were 150.000 jewish soldiers in the wermacht, including generals and feldmarshalls. They have often been "re-aryanised" by the nazis.

The "perfect soldier" photograph which was widely spread within the nazi propaganda journals turned out to be a jew.

Does that makes any sense to you either ?

Well it happened. Deal with it. War isn't black and white.

>>31444027
no you wouldnt

>>31453989
Don't speak for me, you globalist whore.

>>31453976
build a villagae with likely minden people and build a wall around it, we will see if you will need to go to the outside world or will be able to make everything you need, rightist moron faggot

you cant even read as i see

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>>31453992
:^) im a commie too

>>31453993
Well, Trump is building a wall, we will see.

I'm not saying we should stop import/export, I'm saying we should import/export only materials and products, not job or labor.

>>31454003
thats not completly self sufficent you fucking retard

>>31454000
As expected, a communist who supports free trade, a true student of Marx.

>>31454009
:^)

>>31454008
The whole USA can in fact be true self-sufficient if it decides to close up.

Village-wise, you only need food, water, shelter to be self-sufficient.

>>31454014
yea, fuck medicine, electricity, education, all those gay shit

>>31454020
You don't actually need electricity, especially when you are in an agrarian village.

Medicine, sure, but you can grow herbal plants and shit.

Education can be taught by the elders.

>>31454031
why are you using electricity now? you want to be self sufficent, go grow some herbal plants faggot

>>31454040
Because it's convenient and I pay for it?

I'm just saying without electricity, I would still be self-sufficient.

>>31454031
Holy shit, you're 15 aren't you?

God damn I hope I am getting trolled in this thread and that people of voting age don't actually hold thoughts like this.

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>>31442468
>also u boats on the east coast can sorta be called bombing.

Oh I didn't know that in full reverse U-boat turns into a helicopter and can then just fly to it target and drop its torpedoes.

>>31444251
>Ford has 15 factories in Detroit and 5 in Mexico.
Is this after the recent news of them moving to Mexico? Obviously for cheap high school labor.

>>31441752
Brb, freeing my slaves

>>31453983
First, yes of course it makes sense that the Germans would choose to ignore useful Jews in the military.

Secondly, what a lazy way to detract from the fact that Opel had the shit bombed out of it. "X happened so Y didn't happen". Fuck off.

>>31453297
>>31441767
I never knew that Seattle was so important to the war effort.

What manufacturing companies were based in that city? Was it just Boeing?

>>31453306
Your right, I'm Canadian.

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>America flies almost 70,000 more missions
>Drops over 100,000 more tons of bombs
>the country wasn't even in full 'war' mode

though you could argue that with a much smaller force overall the UK managed to have a comparable service record in regards to it' bombing campaign. Interesting results on the missions flown to probable kills though

>>31455064
>>31455064
I'm in my 20s actually.

And really, you think people absolutely need electricity to be self-sufficient?

>>31458073
interesting image but I suspect most of those armaments, aircraft, and bombs were supplied to the british by american production.

>>31459659
[citation needed]

>>31459659
I wasn't stating a fact, I was just offering my opinion on your image. The US provided $31 billion in war material to the British; over 3 times what they provided to the Soviet Union.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

>>31455064

dude I don't think we need to worry about this guy making it to the voting booth. Judging from his posts, I'm not even sure he has the mental capacity to work a fucking doorknob.

"just grow some herbs and sheet for medicine. who needs modern antibiotics or the capacity for basic surgical procedures?"

>>31442266
Or, we can farm out the scut work to places like China so we can focus on our real strong point-innovation.

>>31441752
>American manufacturing
>greatest contributors to the allied victory of WW2

The soviet union was the greatest contributor the allied victory of WW2.

>>31464863
expendable bodies of niave conscripts were the greatest contributor the allied victory of WW2.