As we all know after the import ban mosins are just not worth

They're accurate and interesting. People who have never seen one believe it's some kind of magic. Don't pay over $400, reloading is your friend

Get a k98, guns chamberd in exotic rounds such as 7,5×55mm are a pain in the ass

>>31430367
I'm pretty sure the Swiss are the only ones to surpass the krauts in space magic

The K31 is more accurate than some shit you can buy new today

>>31430415
Not op but
>paying for 8mm
I wanted a k98k for so long but I eventually had to just come to deal with that fact that it's not worth it.

K31s were worth it under 400usd
Now that theyre 550-700 just get somthing else

>>31430459
What is comparable in that price range?

>>31430459
>just get somthing else

like what

should I just forget the milsurp meme and buy something modern? I'm okay with doing that but I at least wanted some aesthetics in my gun and most modern guns that are similar are fudd tier or TAKTIKOOL

The import ban didn't affect Mosins. Most were surplus coming out of Ukraine, those that came from Russia were mostly coming from Molot.

>>31430459
>550-700
What the fuck? It's been a year since I've actually seen them in a store, but jesus that's a jump from the highest I saw at 350. I really should've picked one up last year.

>>31430347

Aim Surplus has yugo mausers going for 300 right now, I'm hoping mine will be in today, probably going to be monday though.

Nuggets are still worthwhile to a point, 54r is still the lowest priced 30 cal ammo available right now. A spam can will run about 180 for 880rds.

Do you reload?

>>31430528
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3MOSIN9130LAM&name=Laminated+Stock+Russian+Mosin+Nagant+91%2f30+7.62x54R+Rifle+w%2f+Matching+Bayonet&search=mosin

Good price or shit price? If I can really get that much nugget ammo for that cheap then sign me the fuck up

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>>31430347
K31s are awesome if you can find one sub $400. Yugo Mausers are available and not too outrageously priced. 8mm is no more pricey to shoot than any other full size cartridge really. It is tougher to find. Reloading would be something to consider. Other than that, honestly in the realm of bolt guns, I'd buy new. Savage and Tikka offer lots of bang/$.

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>>31430459
>MFW I found a barely new one at 150CHF yesterday in Switzerland.

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>>31430576
If you want it, don't let anyone stop you anon. I would never pay that for a nugget. But I got one at $99, then I bought four at $79. If you like the idea of super cheap ammo, but want something that's well, worth it, perhaps consider saving up some more and finding a Vepr in 54R. Just if you do, get either a 16" barrel, or a super vepr. The regular vepr in longer barrel lengths with 54R gets pretty whippy and left me very unsatisfied with it's groupings.

>>31430528
Try $330 for double helping of spam cans. Its like $0.37 a round now for surplus comrade.

>>31430576

Oh fuck, laminate stock, fuck yes. Local stores have really nice condition tulas and stuff for 250-280 right now cause they're a bitch to get.

That's not a bad price anon.

Long story short, buy what you like, the nuggets still the most economical surplus rifle to shoot.

>>31430473
>should I just forget the milsurp meme and buy something modern?
if price is a major concern, yes. there are no milsurp rifles cheaper than a ruger american/savage axis once youve factored in the price of a couple thousand rounds. the only ones that come close are mosins and mausers.

>>31430528

fuck, I meant a 440 spam can, whoops.

>>31430662
theres no reason to get a 54r vepr over .308 at this point. even the cheapest corrosive 54r is more expensive than .308 steelcase. also, 16 inch veprs in 54r are unobtanium and 20 inch barrels are ballistically superior in 54r.

>>31430450
is 8mm Mauser that expensive?

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>>31430737
valid point with 308, and then there are better platforms. I agree ballistically it's better out of a 20", I just said a 16" because dad's 16 shot circles around my 22 when I still had it. A PTR replaced it. It shot damn fine.

>>31430706
The only thing stopping me from buying a ruger american is how goddamned ugly it is

>>31430693
What about the hex receiver? It's not laminated but for some reason it's more

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3MOSIN9130HEX&name=HEX+Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifle+w%2f+Matching+Bayonet&search=mosin

>>31430773
THIS it looks like dogshit. I have no idea how the polymer stock design made it through R&D.

>>31430737
>.308 steelcase
Shit I'm seeing brass case Turkish MKE M80 selling cheaper than .308 Tula/wolf.

>>31430766
I've been a FAL guy for awhile but the new PTR's with the paddle, steel lower, welded top rail at the price they sell for should be the obvious choice for anyone looking at a budget .308, which is why I picked one up.

I'm even hearing great things about the new PTR reciever CETME .308's (hearing accuracy varies between gun from 2-5moa though and extraction looks much weaker on every gun I've seen reviewed compared to a PTR/HK) but at the price they sell for there is no reason to get a Vepr

>>31430776
Hex receivers are just a bit rarer, so I think that's why they're pricier

>>31430759
~50cpr for steelcase
~90cpr for reloadable brass
extremely hot corrosive surplus occasionally comes in for ~35cpr

to put it in perspective, its the third most expensive rifle cartridge behind .308 and 54r

>>31430766
i wouldve bought a 16 inch over a 20 inch if i couldve found one for fun reasons. that extra bit of ballistic potential isnt doing me a ton of good considering i mostly shoot surplus out of it.

>>31430773
its a budget rifle. its not supposed to be particularly good looking. check out CZ rifles if you are willing to spend a little extra on something that looks good

>>31430471
Actual modern rifles like ARs and AKs.

>>31430773
I've strongly considered the .300 win mag one (threaded barrel, action is flat out smoother than rem 700's, don't have to worry about bedding) but the looks and that goddamned rotary magazine is a non starter

>>31430799
you can always find .308 steel case for ~35cpr and you can sometimes find turk surplus for about the same price.

>>31430808
third least expensive*

>>31430829
I'm not sure if it's all actually surplus, not all of them seem to be crimped like you would expect, but whenever I go into a store MKE M80 ball 20 round packs are actually cheaper than Wolf/tula steel cased .308, it seems to be different online but it's a no brainer when I stroll into a walmart and Tula steel costs more.....over brass ammo

>>31430811
What's comparable in 30 cal or higher and able to engage out to 1000m?

>>31430870
the zqi m80 ball isnt surplus. it is from turkey though. i thought you meant the turk 8mm.

but yeah, the zqi is decent stuff for the price.

>>31430893
Modern bolt guns like a Tikka T3x. Protip: the reason modern rifles don't all have that kind of range or bullet size is that militaries figured out it wasn't needed most of the time.

>>31430367
It's worth reloading, I guess, but it's not like the Swiss don't make the 7.5mm stuff.

>>31430367
>Don't pay over $400
>Starting price is $500

Hmmmmm

>>31430635
I bought one of mine for 50usd
200 for the other

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>>31430347
>Mfw got a K31 in 2006 for $160

Feels good to have that one checked off the list.

>>31430635
>Mfw bought 1 K31 and 5 Langgewehr 11 for 300 Bucks

>>31431376
Stop buying all your guns on gunbroker

>>31430459
Guess i got mine just in time. Found a decent one at a local gander moutain for 415 out the door about 3 years ago. 1k rounds later, no regrets.

>>31432299
Oh you're right, so many other outlets bursting with K31s right now aren't there?

There's a bit of a contrarian meme forming in response to all the people raving about K31's, but they are REALLY that stupidly accurate. As long as you get one that hasn't been shot to shit, you're early looking at a sub-MoA rifle. My personal one was a reservist's, so aside from some weird shag carpet-induced finish wear on one side of the receiver, the damn thing looks factory new. Shooting it off a bench, I was managing a consistent 0.5 MoA all the way out to 1000 yards with surplus GP11 ammo. That really is the only issue - 7.5x55 Swiss is the specialest of special snowflakes, and if you don't have a stockpile or a really good source, you're not gonna be able to shoot as often as most would like.
If the G11 is Kraft Space Magic, the K31 is Swiss Alpine Magic.

>>31432745
do you have a scope for it

>>31432745
>7.5x55 Swiss is the specialest of special snowflakes
Not familiar with 6.5 Mannlicher or 7.35 Carcano are you? Or hell, 236 USN.

>>31430415
At this point 8mm is getting to be an exotic round. Honestly if OP looks at a K31 he should look into reloading.

>>31432801
I bought a 480 count case of 7.5 swiss GP11 fucking yesterday, It's not that hard to find, and Privi makes new manufacture stuff as well.

>>31433734
Yeah, that's my point. Though PPU hasn't been readily available for about 2 months now.

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>>31430347
Is good.

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>>31430347
It's breddy gud. No need to clean off shit-tons of cosmoline like most milsurps, they smeared the same grease that they used to actually run the rifles on the metal and maybe the outside of the stock but that's it. Use some orange-glo on the outside of the stock to clean off the storage dirt/grease and use a rag to rub off all of the grease on the metal parts. You might want to use mineral spirits on the magazine as mine was filled with years of firing residue and a similar solvent for the barrel to completely clean off the grease before running a greased brush/patch down the barrel a few times followed by a few dry patches to wipe off the excess. Do this for anything that is contacted by solvent as the bluing is not going to protect against rust when dry.

With GP11 your rifle should be able to shoot 1 MOA groups if it's in good shape and no one fucked with the stock screws/bedding block. If the bedding block was disturbed or removed after the armorer set it you will probably have shit accuracy. If the stock screw tension is fucked up you will also see problems with accuracy but you can fix this yourself.

When PPU FMJ comes back at 74 cpr you should buy a 500 round case and use that to reload. GP11 at 55 cpr won't last much longer, RUAG is restarting production but it's coming in at 80 cpr or higher. You just need the 7.5x55mm case, 308 Winchester bullets are a direct fit and the 175 grain Berger VLD is almost a perfect match for the GP11 projectile. Properly loaded you can get better accuracy than GP11.

>>31430459
Still worth it. I paid 850 dollars for a mint re-arsenaled K31. The buttplate is still blued and the arsenal tag was never removed. I took it off and stored it in a plastic bag because it's fragile paper. Pic related.

>>31430497
I'm really happy I picked up two when I did.

>>31430528
I got a grade A1 from AIM. Even with grade A1 I saw some light surface rust in some areas and I saw some noticeable pitting under the wood near the rear sight

>>31430706
If you're buying milsurp for "value" you're honestly retarded. At least most of the point is that they're interesting from a historical perspective. Otherwise there is literally zero point to buying a 3 MOA bolt action rifle that weighs 9 pounds and requires days of work with mineral spirits and a hair dryer to clean out the cosmoline and rust.

>>31432745
Cmon now, it isn't really a half MOA rifle unless you only take 3 shot groups. There's a pretty good consensus that with GP11 and a well-kept K31 that you only get about 1 to 1.5 MOA which is in-spec for the armory. If the rifle did not perform to this standard it would be re-arsenaled.

And I doubt you can really shoot 0.5 MOA without either diopters or an optic. The notch sights are just not good enough for you to reliably see whether you are maintaining a consistently hold on the target. At 100 yards a 1 MOA target blends into the front sight.

And the only thing special snowflake about 7.5 Swiss is the case. The projectile is .308 inches and Berger 175 grain VLD is almost a direct match for the GP11 projectile.

>>31433734
This only happened recently. There was a dry period for almost a year where GP11 was impossible to find. Don't count on GP11 being around forever. PPU and reloading will be the way to go unless the Russian embargo lifts and Berdan primers start coming back to the US.

I personally like the K31 a lot more than my M48 Mauser so far. The entire rifle is put together in a much, much better way. Something like removing the bayonet mount/barrel bands is much, much easier than it is on a K98 where you often need a punch set and hammer and none of it can be removed from the rifle entirely unless you also remove the front sight hood. The bolt is far easier to disassemble and can be done regardless of safety position and you never fight spring pressure unless you want to remove the firing pin. The part count relative to a Mauser is also reduced. The magazine is also much easier to take out and take apart. I had to use a hammer and punch set to remove the floorplate on the M48 Mauser. If you don't have someone to help you, it makes sense to also punch out the retaining pin that holds the floorplate in place which requires unscrewing the entire bottom metal plate.

>>31430347
Over $200 I'd just buy a Savage Axis in .308. Not milsurp, but you can take it to the range without worrying about putting more wear on your non-matching, worn bore, round receiver 91/30 that's now worth $300 and climbing.

If you're not shooting it and you just want to collect, just buy anything in decent condition and lock it in a box; even Nagants will be worth over $1000 in a few more years.

>>31436394
Form a practical side, yes. Downside is that you have to scope it (no irons), which takes something out of what makes milsurps fun. The other thing is no handguard, so you can't do your bayo charges and other stupid shit on your home-made range in the middle of nowhere.

Maybe an old hunting rifle with irons wouldn't be a bad option. I've seen some fairly decent wood stocked ones for around that price here. With a bit of cleverness you could even work up a bayonet mount.

>>31430450
>>31432811
>not getting one in any of the calibers ranging from poorfag to boutique handloader