Good PM I am new, a Chinese friend is asking why YF-23 is more

>>31382693
There was 2 yf-23 prototypes made, grey ghost and black widow.

One had an s duct for rcs testing, the other a psudo s duct, because it was for weapon release testing. (Broadly speaking for both)

>>31382693
when he says something stupid again. Just give him 2 quarters and stare at him. Also have him take you out to dim sum and introduce you to some qts.

>>31382693
Those were technology demonstrators, basically their made with the sole purpose to see if the general shape is even airworthy. The, once the general design is finalized, that's when they start worrying about weapons, avionics and stealth. Design modern day fighters truly is a day at a time process.

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>>31383273
My Chinese friend says that is impossible, the testers have designated the YF-23 as stealthier than YF-22, they could not have known that if the design did not incorporate the weapons, avionics and stealth thing.

He also said that this thing did not have S-Duct but was included into the qualifications for JSF.

>>31382693

The YF-23 is a fanboy's dream because it'll never ever have its actual performance criticized.

>>31383631

Neither will the F22

>>31382693
No S-ducts
RAM coating were kinda shitty
They never managed to reduce the thermals from the exhaust

i still fucking love the YF-23 design

YF-23 was still very stealthy without S-Ducts. The fan would only register when hit basically right on, so the plane was still considered stealthier than the YF-22 overall. Obviously S-Ducts would have made it stealthier.

This is a good, if biased, documentary on the plane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLiMYGBE2Q

Take Aways:
-Considered the fastest fighter every flown. Internet geeks love to debate whether or not the Mig-25 and Mig-31 are faster, but the YF-23's true top speed has never been realized.
-Stealthier than the YF-22, S-Ducts or not
-Very good maneuverability. Not as much as YF-22, but better than anything else out there as that was the requirement
-Very good dogfighter because of the maneuverability, acceleration, and sight lines of the pilot

The YF-22 changed quite a bit in its development into the F-22. We can assume the YF-23 would have done the same.

>>31382693
My friend from China is asking if anyone can tell him about some of the features of the F-22 and F-35, preferably classified features. Just asking for a friend.

>>31383574
For the yf-23, he is wrong. PAV-2 aka grey ghost had a better s duct with more powerful engines.

However, at a very percise angle you can still see the fanblades, 18 degrees outwords, 23 degrees downwords.

From a pure frontal angle, the YF-23 was more stealthy, however.
Boeings JSF bird was straight up incomplete.

>ITT CHICOM research bots

>>31384125
You really think anyone on /k/ knows anything of worth on the F22 and F35?

>>31384125
Ahh, why didnt you ask!

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Why does he care?

The J-20's stealth is top notch and the F-35/F-22 is already compromised. Furthermore, both are easily detected via FLIR

>>31384292
At that distance you could see him with your eyeball, hell, even radar.

>>31384292
Both are easily detectable via visual range. Stealth compromised!

>>31384125
Impressive

To meet a friend of the people of the Great Nation when I am browsing Baidu in my ZTE phone is an honor.

I hope you're friend is not a Taiwanese rebel.

>>31384383
I use Xiaomi. But ZTE is good too in my (little red) book.

Fuck off , you are pretending to have a Chinese friend so that you don't catch any flak if you say something

OP is a MiG-15

Just ignore that the fan on a YF-23 was hidden from the front.

>>31384925
Like the pic on OP?

>>31385104
This museum machine wasn't final flying prototype with all stealth measures installed.

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>>31385104
It is not from the front.

>>31382693
>why YF-23 is more stealthy than YF-22
Because it had 4 main lobes RCS pattern, YF-22 had 6.

>>31385489
Dat XB-70 doe.

>>31383574
WTF were they thinking when they showed this thing off?

>>31389146
"There's no way Lockheed could do any better with the requirements we got lol."

Seriously, they knew the design as in the submitted airframe was garbage, which was why they'd already started planning for a complete redesign. And then LockMart showed up with a fully functional demonstrator that didn't need half the parts stripped off to do a VTOL flight and transitioned straight from that into a supersonic test.

>>31389264
Safe to say all the talent they got when they bought up McDonnell Douglas up has left the coup then.

>>31384292
>muh thermals
when your precious IRST works beyond visual range your point won't be completely worthless anymore

>>31389317
They almost built the B-21, so they still have some talent.

>>31383574
>aheheuhuehue

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>>31384203
>>>31384125
Cracker of a meme

>>31385104
OP's picture is not from head on.

>>31389637
Almost is a funny way of saying they lost but were arrogant and thought they had it in the bag.

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>>31390039
Their NGB concept looked badass.