What's the best brand of AR to get with a budget of $1000

>>31206877
S&W M&P-15, then 1000 rounds of 5.56 OR a couple hundred rounds and a semi-decent optic. Boom, you're set.

LE6920 or FN15

>>31206877
Build one from PSA parts or buy an M&P sport 2 and spend the rest on a SSA-E + optics + ammo + chest rig. Or do a Colt 6290 if you're that insistent on buying one.

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>>31206877
>budget of $1000
I like my Daniel Defense V1LW

There's not really a "best brand" since all the major manufactureres use the same subcontractors for receiver forgings, barrels, etc.

Big brands tend to have more respected QC, and ARs that conform tightly to specification will have a better time with unexpected conditions like shit ammo, upper/caliber swaps

>>31206926
>Build one
building is for fun, not for serious use

>>31206877
>$1,000
>Doesn't want a Colt
Not sure what you're expecting. A 6920 is basically right there in that price range, typically a touch less, and is one of the best offerings, if not the best. I guess FN is right there, but contractually they're not allowed to follow the TDP they use for M4s for civilian sales.
Cheaper than that and you're looking at the cheap lines like the M&P sports, Bushmaster, Windham, etc. or parts builds like PSA and Spike's.

>>31206988
I don't see why you couldn't build one for serious use. Just shoot a few mags through it first to make sure everything is working as it should.

>>31206877
>Implying le6920 isn't one of the best AR's on the market with a price tag of 1000

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>>31206993
>and is one of the best offerings, if not the best

>>31206926
>Or do a Colt 6290 if you're that insistent on buying one.
OP specifically said NOT a Colt, way to read.

>>31206988
Congrats, you made the single most retarded post on /k/ today.

>>31206877
>$1000
>b-bbbbuhh I don't want a 6920! I wanna be special!
Delusional poorfag detected.

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>>31206988
What the fuck, do you think self-built ARs are made of literal legos or something?

>>31207052

How many rifle courses have you taken?

How many of them subjected your rifle to adverse conditions and constant, serious use?

OP is a retard. Buy an Anderson so you can kill yourself with it.

>>31207063
this

LE6920 is gold standard

its milspec everything as much as it can be
known QC and have been around longer than most recent manufacturers of unknown quality

>>31207063
>special

No, I just don't like overpaying for what I get, and nobody is worse about taking advantage of an established reputation to overcharge fo their product than Colt.

>I bet you think Gerber still makes good knives and Maglite still makes good flashlights and Craftsman still makes tools that never break

>>31206988
I've built 5 AR's and not one of them has had issues, despite only cleaning once every couple thousand rounds on each one. If you're not a fucktard, it's pretty simple to get the firearm gassed correctly.

>>31207051
I read that, but my point remains. If you're of the mentality that you need a pre-built "SHTF" rifle, the Colt 6920 is the way to go. I'm not a colt fanboy and I probably will never buy a colt (especially not a 6920).

>>31207080
I mean I can understand the QC and the pedigree, but mil-spec isn't much of a big advantage when almost everyone else produces to mil-spec as well if not higher. Mil-spec is an actual standard, you do realize

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>>31207080
>>31207063
>>31206993
Are you meme spewing idiots just waking out of a coma? Colt's QC has taken a noticeable dive as of late, and there was little reason already to pay their price for a basic bitch 16" carbine gas AR.

Colts are nice

>>31207101
>I threw together some parts and "built" an AR and it works pretty ok when I take it to the range for my monthly blasting
Literally bubba pleb "just as good" tier logic.

>>31207080
>its milspec everything as much as it can be
>implying milspec isn't done by damn near everyone selling ARs these days
>implying it's anything special instead of a bare minimum set of standards and not far exceeded by the majority of commercial ARs anyways

>>31207069
Stop.

>>31207114
nice source

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>>31207101
>>31206988
>Dem homebuilds just ain't quili-tah compared to that thar Colt, you should git it fer dat serious rifle use son.

>>31207088
>i can build my own flashlight just as good as maglite

>>31207114
I mean they had to get bailed out of bankruptcy, didn't they? That should say something.

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>>31207130
>G-gold standard...

>>31207148
You probably could, all you need is a battery, some wire, and an LED. Maglites ain't shit except for the big ones being used as incognito bludgeons.

>>31207080
>its milspec
Wow, that's totally an unequaled offering in the AR field today in late 2016...

>>31207144
meant for >>31206988 and >>31207069

>>31207121
My AR cost well over $3K, but sure, it's a bubba pleb shit AR. There's nothing magic about buying a prebuilt AR; they're just throwing shit together from a parts bit with less care than someone would if it's their AR.

>>31206910
What does 5.56 do differently from .223? I know it's higher chamber pressure and velocity but is it worth the price increase?

>>31207121
>Muh carbine gassed 16" rifle just cannot be yet
Lmfao this thread.

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>>31206988
t. idiot

>>31207148
You totally can, the parts are easy to source from various companies or from tearing a durable light apart, and with just a little bit of DIY you can have a light far brighter and more efficient than a Maglite, with the same durability.

People do this ALL THE TIME at places like candlepowerforums.

The only thing Maglite does properly anymore is make their lights durable, they stopped innovating over a decade ago and just started doing copyright/patent trolling of other light companies that continued innovating.

>>31207195
What's more important is bullet weight in conjunction with your twist rate. Technically higher pressure/velocity would mean better range/force on target but between the two loadings it would probably be negligible for most intents and purposes. However if you're looking for any sort of precision, matching bullet weights to twist rate is something to be aware of.

If you're concerned at all or really want to shoot both, get a barrel with a .223 Wylde chamber

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>>31206988

>>31207237
I have a 5.56 chamber and I believe a 1:7 barrel, I've shot a couple 5.56 rounds before but have been buying .223 for expense

>>31206877
The 6920 is by far the best AR you can but for 1k.
If you pick something else jspust because you don't want a Colt, your loss buddy.

>>31207312
5.56 can shoot .223 no problem, it's the other way around that you should be wary of. AFAIK 1:7 twist would be best mated with a heavier-grain bullet, but if you're not picky-aren't looking for longer-distance accuracy, you'll be perfectly fine with whatever.

>>31207107
>I don't know what mil-spec means.

>>31207342
>>31207080
>>31207023
>>31206993
>>31206913
Wow, Colt fanboys showing mass illiteracy. Here I'll repeat it:

GO AND STAY GO

>>31207392
Your loss special snowflake.

>>31206877
Do what I did


MOSSBERG MMR

MAGPUL ACCESSORIES; BUTTSTOCK, FOREGRIP, MAGS, QD STRAP, ECT...

AMMO, LIKE 500 OR SO ROUNDS.

that'd probably be all of it.

>>31207392

>Wants to spend $1000 on a pre-built AR15
>Doesn't buy the best AR15 for around $800+

You are better off getting a colt 6920 or building your own for less. If you don't want to build, buy the colt.

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Yfw you realize this thread was made by the M&P sport fan boy club.

>>31207437
I say build a colt. Bam!

>>31206910
>>31206926
>both these posts affirming to buy M&P Sport 2
OH THANK GOD. I literally just bought one off Buds not 20 minutes ago for my first AR. It's nice to see it has some positive reception

>>31206926
>chest rig
Do not, in fact, do this. When you're out and about during a SHTF situation, that's the first thing opportunists looking to rob/rape/kill you will look for. Be discreet, keep you load light, and do not for any reason purchase body armor. It will only weigh you down unless you have training with it.

>>31207412
Question for the thread: are Coltfags worse than Ponyfags about trying to ram their chosen brand/franchise into everything possible? Evidence is pointing to yes.

>>31207392
If you want a good AR, then be prepared to spend more than $1000.

Otherwise if you're not building, then you're stuck with a Colt.

>>31207457

If anything, you can go on gunboker/armslist/etc and buy a colt ar15 lower for $300-$400 and add everything else on it.

>>31207431
Mossberg mmr would be a great choice OP

The factory free floated barrel is nice

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>>31207437
>the best AR15 for around $800+
Okay kid.

>>31207069
Hahaha this is some 10/10 bait

>>31207437
>Colt
>Best
Hahahah holy shit.

>>31207529
Name a better one.

>>31207350
I thought it was 5.56 chambers that are "backwards compatible," good to know about the barrel too. I'll try 5.56 some more, see how much more accurate I am at 100 yards

>>31207368
Military specification, a specification/standard by which certain goods/products/tools/devices must be manufactured to. It's industry-fucking-standard, just for the military. It means anything you buy can't be any shittier than a certain pre-determined value.

>>31207511

name a better pre-built AR15 for around $800, OP doesn't want to build one.

>>31207464
Why wouldn't it? I'm not a fan of the sport models so much just because it misses some minor things that I'd like on an AR but most people wouldn't really care for/need (dust cover and whatnot) but it's a solid AR at a decent price point that if you're not willing/comfortable to build your own, it's a solid option. It'll serve you good.

>>31207482
Good =/= Gucci. To some people, a "good" AR is one that goes bang almost every single time, and those don't have to be expensive at all

>>31207474

I own a 6920 and I don't care what brand AR15 someone buys. But, I do think it is funny the OP calls out Colt owners when asking for a milspec AR15 for around $1000 which the new Colt rifles are. I don't know why he wouldn't buy a Colt 6920 but if he doesn't want to build a rifle which is the ideal option then he can't really complain when people give him a legitimate option. Seems like a lot of butthurt for no reason desu.

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>>31207464
Ayyyy I bought one last night

>tfw Calicuck
>every "assault wepun" in the store had BANNED JAN 1st, 2017 on it

>>31207629
Sure, in that case he should get a M&P-15.

Otherwise if he's looking for "quality" at under $1000, then the best pre-built is a 6920.

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>>31207392
>>31206877
>Not wanting the pony stamp
Fag

>>31206877
Core Rifle Systems. Based out of Ocala, Fl. Some of the best guys I've ever met in the industry. Lifetime warranty and great customer service. I cant recommend them highly enough.

>>31206877
Listen here girly mouth.

Colt is bretty gud. Stop being a pussy. Try an FN or the BCM m4gery model.

>>31207611
Sport II's have the missing dust cover and forward assist.

>>31207635
Probably because of how annoying Colt owners are with their insistence that anything more expensive is "unneeded gucci" and anything cheaper is "garbage". While the 6920 isn't anything special and is eclipsed in price and quality/specs even by guns like the Ruger AR556 or some of the CHF PSA builds.

>>31207716
Was not aware of that. If I wasn't close to finishing my first build/first AR, I probably would have just gone with that. Neat.

>>31207564
If you can mate the differences are going to show up a lot more at longer ranges.

>>31207716
no they don't.

>>31207731
neither of what you mentioned is even remotely close to a 6920

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>>31207160
That's beautiful.

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>>31206877
If you don't buy Colt, then you're a dolt. :^)

>>31207773
Feel free to back up this assertion.

>>31207812
>feel free to explain that 1+1=2

>>31206988
This is literally the dumbest thing I have on /k/ in at least 2 weeks.

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>all these delusional children thinking colt is bad

There's a reason colt is the best sub $1k ARs.

Have some hard data instead of memes.

>>31207862
Don't bother.
Shit builders/poorfags/denialfags just decry the chart and pretend that it doesn't matter, they have ever since it was posted and they wanted to convince themselves bushy was still a good brand.

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>>31206988
Mostly correct - but only because people are morons. I'm an armorer so I get to work on peoples AR-bortions. I don't know where people come up with some of the shit they do.

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>>31207768
Thank god you have a trip code so we can easily filter your dumb ass.

Children like you should lurk, not spew incorrect information.

>>31207879
Bushmaster is still even a thing? Even more important than that, people still care about them?

>>31207893
Oh, wait, they're carbine length gas? ehhhh... nevermind on that.

>>31207667
Lifetime warranty.

Company goes under a year after selling you your brick.

>>31207907
Core has been around for like a decade newfriend.

>>31207894
Kind of. S&W is mostly the new Bushy.
Plenty will sit here and think a sport I/II is just as good as a 6920, or that the regular M&P15 at an even higher MSRP is just as good/better.

/k/ had a period of general AR awareness and understanding a few years ago, but in the last two years it's poorfag/garage builders, poorfag entry AR owners, and Guccifags who are a mix of the two but cool because they have KAC micros.

>>31207826
>It just is, okay! I can't tell you why! It definitely isn't a desperate hope that I didn't overpay for my only gun!

>>31207862
If that listed more than a tiny selection of ARs it might actually be useful.

>>31207880
How can you fuck up building an AR? Its not even that hard.

>>31207957
The chart is old as fuck man, why dont you take some initiative and build a new one instead of complaining like an entitled millenial?

>all these people clamoring that others should buy a carbine-gas, government-profile, non-freefloated barrel-having rifle for $800+

pls no

>>31208025
Backwards hammer springs and mangled takedown springs are the biggest two we see. Bent gas tube pins are another big one. Trigger guard pins, cracked ears, leaving out disconnector springs, one guy just 2 weeks ago forgot to put buffer and spring in, went to rack charging handle....

>>31208117
Sounds like if bubba wasn't around you would be out of work

>>31208141
It's at least somewhat entertaining, but a real pain in the ass when they come in blaming the manufacturer for their stupidity.

>>31208203
I bet that no buffer guy was pretty funny

>>31207879
>>31207862
Are you faggots from 2009?

>>31208117
>one guy just 2 weeks ago forgot to put buffer and spring in, went to rack charging handle....
DESU if you've been around ARs long enough this has probably happened to you.
I had two lowers out just about a month ago, one without spring/buffer because I'm intending to sell it, and I wasn't paying attention and assembled that lower onto my upper and went to check it and..... yeah.

>>31207862
>ever posting that relic unironically
For fuck's sake, my Armalite M15 from six years ago came with nearly all of the things that retarded chart said it doesn't have. Get the fuck out of here.

>>31208329
Prove it.

>>31208117

Why is not putting in the buffer so bad that you need to take it to a professional? I feel like after you disassemble it the bolt will fall right out.

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>>31208538
>prove Armalite has M4 feed ramps and other basic shit that's been standard for over a half decade
Kill yourself.

>>31207894
I bought a bushmaster maybe like 8 years ago. Its a pretty good rifle. Not the best but it has served me well

The DB-15 is the best sub 1k ar-15.

>free floating barrel

Windham weaponry are pretty good for less than 1k. I've got a ww 308 and I like it, people I know with ww ar15 like them. They have 4150 chrome lined barrel, some of the other cheap ones have 4140 or no chrome. They also have a lifetime warranty even if you're not the 1st owner. You can get one for around $850

>>31207153
It mostly means that you can't survive on a single rifle and a bunch of outdated guns in today's market. Branches of Colt have gone bankrupt, as have other major brands that still exist. Bankrupt is just a scary sounding word

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>>31208850
This OP. They're made by the original Bushmaster crew and it's a solid weapon.

I don't have a colt, but I like them and I think they are worth $1000 all day. They have an M16 bolt carrier which I didn't get from my two $1200 sig m400s. I'm thinking of trading one in for a colt.

>>31208891
>They're made by the original Bushmaster crew
And into the garbage it goes.

>>31207862
Goddamn son are you posting from a time machine? Fwiw Black Hole still had some Sabre Defense Rifles and Uppers in stock a few months ago. Weird to think they actually managed to go belly up

>>31208778
I bought one for $500 and it's actually not bad at all. Pretty nice rifle

>>31208538
>Prove it
The fact your little chart showcases a rifle made by a company that got v& by the ATF nearly 7 years ago should be all the proof you need.

>>31208939
>original Bushmaster crew
Not the Cerberus fuckheads. The Windham guys fucked right off around that time for good reason

>>31208276
What happens?

>>31209002
>Not the Cerberus fuckheads
So you mean the original garbage crew who churned out garbage ARs before the new garbage crew who continue to churn out garbage ARs took over?
Good to know, hard pass.

>>31206877
i paid 950 for my 6920 with all OD green magpul and it runs just was well as any high end AR. dont see what the problem is.

>>31209031
You know how meeting the price point your employer demands works right

>>31206877
doesn't want colt yet post a picture of one...

Someone convince me why I shouldn't buy psa. Because I really want to. What are the downsides that come with that amazing price tag?
It's going to be my first ar.

I'm looking for the best price v quality build.

>>31209081
I have one and it has worked great, I don't think I've had a single problem with it (wish I could say the same for my Glock). Trigger better than expected too, very clean.

The downsides are the Colt harpies screeching that you screwed up and will die come SHTF.

>>31209192
What happened with your glock? What gen and model was it

>>31209224
A G19 gen4, got it within the last year and it's an Austria one, so you would think it would have no extractor problems, but... it regularly has FTF with certain kinds of ammo, I can barely get through a mag of FMJ PMC brass without a FTF for instance.

Asked this on /k/ and the Glock fanboys were about as obnoxious as the Colt fanboys in this thread, insisting it must be limpwristing even though I've shot pistol for years without this kind of problem and the FTF problem isn't nearly as bad with certain brands of ammo as others.

>>31209192
You've convinced me. I'm buying it tomorrow. Full psa build here I come...

>>31209330
I had that same model and had fde and ftf with certain ammo

>>31209476
Kind of wondering if I should swap it for a gen3 at this point, actually. One with the older coating, ideally.

>>31209192
>The downsides are the Colt harpies screeching that you screwed up and will die come SHTF.
They'll do that even if you buy a LaRue.

>>31210588
LaRue is garbage though.

Why not just get a BCM complete upper and slap a PSA complete lower on it? The really important shit and likely failure points where the QC makes a difference machining wise is all in the upper after all.

>>31208712
>No rollmark
K

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>This fucking thread

>>31206877

OP, just get an S&W M&P Sport II. Granted, I'm not some kind of AR-15 expert but, like you, I was recently thinking that I should have an AR for when SHTF, and I went with the Sport II after much investigation and deliberation.

Go to every fucking thread on this board, ask them what the best budget AR 15 is, and they'll tell you the same thing every time: "Sport II is the best entry-level AR that you'll get for your money." "Get a Sport II and 1000 rounds of ammo." "Guns aren't an RPG, just get a Sport II." This was actually happening so many times, in so many different threads whenever I posed the question, that I became unsure that /k/ wasn't just a big Sport II shilling-festival. As a result, I actually did the intelligent thing and took my question to several gun stores... and each time, without fail, the guy behind the counter gave me some variation on these same answers. What really surprised me was how quick they would give this answer, as well. One guy even just said, "Sport II?" and motioned over to his co-worker to go and grab it from the back.

Put simply, it's the best that you're going to get for your dollar. Unless you want to pay out the ass for virtually meaningless artifacts of "performance," then you'd be better off getting a Sport II, 1000 rounds, the ammo-cans to carry them in, a cheap gun-case (most likely the fabric kind they sell at your LGS,) a few pmag 40's/30's, and whatever other accessories you might like. I threw a slide-fire stock that I picked up for cheap on mine and I love it. If you've got the cash to spare, maybe consider putting it towards a good optic or a plate carrier and some quality armor. Do not listen to the Colt fanboys, they have never operated and they have no clue what they are talking about.

Colt brand Colt

Buy a $600 AR and use the rest off the money to buy ammo.

>>31211829

PS: I also talked to a shitload of gun OWNERS (as opposed to store clerks.) They also recommended the Sport II as an entry-level AR, and backed up the clerks' claims that it'd work just as well in a city as a desert, although one or two did voice that I should just save up and build one if I had plans to do excessive modification to the base gun. So really, it all depends on just how much you want to customize it. If you're going to rip the gun apart and replace everything over time anyway, it might be more economical just to build one than to buy one and mod it, but also considerably more expensive than just buying a Sport II and just replacing the one or two things you don't like about it (if anything at all.) So far, nothing has stood out to me which is overly negative about the gun, and I think it'd do well in an SHTF scenario.

>>31211829

Yes, pay $700ish for a gun without a chrome lined barrel and a 1:9 twist when instead you could just go to PSA and get a 1:7 twist FN made barrel for $100 less.

Don't do it op she still loves u love tears down Barrie's mental and physical spiritual and emotional save that $1000 and find ur soulmate and love of ur life and treat her well and be happy together OP

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>>31211851

Doesn't that entail actually putting the gun together yourself, assuming that the gun you want is even in stock in the first place? I mean, hey, if you want to do your own assembly QC, that's fine-- I hear PSA uppers, in particular, are some of the best around for their price-point. That being said, OP is looking for an SHTF gun and, IMHO, that means one which is manufactured by, assembled by, and quality-tested by professionals before it hits the sales floor.

Bear in mind that PSA sells _kits_ within the 500-600 range, not pre-assembled guns; those are usually more expensive, and their kits do not frequently come back into stock from what I've seen, either. If they have what you want and you're great at building guns, go for it. Otherwise, not every single part kit they manufacture is going to outdo the Sport II, either. If OP is that desperate for a chrome-lined, 1:7 twist barrel, he can just rip the barrel off his Sport II and replace it. Otherwise, I think $100 and some minor barrel preference issues is hardly a meaningful reason to expend the time and effort building your own gun and possibly screwing it up instead of buying a working one. Especially for a no-guns, it's just a terrible idea, and OP would probably end up having to spend more, wait around for replacement parts, and ultimately lose his enthusiasm for guns when he inevitably screws it up.

>>31211932
>OP is looking for an SHTF gun and, IMHO, that means one which is manufactured by, assembled by, and quality-tested by professionals before it hits the sales floor.
> I think $100 and some minor barrel preference issues is hardly a meaningful reason to expend the time and effort building your own gun and possibly screwing it up instead of buying a working on
Nig...

>>31206877
get a $200 lpk and $800 upper

>>31206926
>spend the rest on a SSA-E
no, fuck off. if you are building on a budget sinking $200+ into the fucking trigger group is a waste