How relevant are bayonets? Do they ever see much use at all?

Apparently there is a video floating around of Canadians affixing bayonets during a section attack in afg. Probably a funker video

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Is there anything stupider than a pistol bayonet?

They're still pretty useful

http://www.defensetech.org/2010/01/29/bayonets-hit-the-mark/

>>31199851
Here's the after action report

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bd_1249524865

>>31199829
>Is there anything stupider than a pistol bayonet?
You're face

>>31199851

Not really - in reality bayonets have been quite irrelevant for a very long time. In real world trying performing bayonet charge is most likely to end up being shot.

It is just that Britbongs seem to have somewhat of a fetish when it comes to bayonets and bayonet charges - which is probably related to World War 1, heyday of empire and conception of bayonet charges being the thing at that time.
Would be worth noting that while British sources keep pointing out to few cases in which bayonets were successfully in used combat during the last few decades and repeatedly over-glorify those cases, how large a percentage are those cases from total number of battles which British Army has fought in that time period? Perhaps 0.01 %?

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>>31199771
>How relevant are bayonets? Do they ever see much use at all? Are there any situations where having one could actually be useful anymore, or are they just an antiquated concept from a bygone age?

The idea of affixing bayonets for a practical purpose within a military concept is essentially gone. You will see reports of it sporadically here and there, but those are extremely, extremely isolated incidents where when you dig into the story it turns out to either be false, done for PR, done for morale, done because some moto retard thought it would be "cool", or a combination of some of the above.

The idea of bayonet fighting techniques is actually somewhat sound though. Even if you don't have a bayonet affixed to your weapon and you happen to run into close quarters with an an empty or jammed gun, all of the techniques from bayonet strikes still work quite well. You might not be stabbing a guy in the face, but jabbing him in the eye with a steel barrel will still work.

The bayonets themselves work as good all purpose knives, even if they are, IMO slightly oversized. Some people in my unit carried them, and they made servicable digging knives and utility work knives. In the (highly, highly) unlikely event of having to use them in self defense, the large size would be an asset for control over them.

>>31199771
>Would it be possible to have a freefloat barrel with a bayonet on it? Could that even be a feasible idea or would it just result in a bent, beat up barrel without the support of a full barrel shroud?
The barrel provides all its own rigidity. The grips on non-free-floated rifles are often plastic or very thin metal and don't provide any significant strength. The gas tube on a piston gun might, but on an AR that shit is pretty thin so all that bayo strength is going on the barrel in basically all M16 variants.

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hey guys, I just had an idea ...

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>>31201462
I need this in my life.

>>31201462
That's a wonderfully cool idea

They open mre bags fairly well.

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Why doesn't anyone make a musket styled bayonet like pic related with a kind of muzzle device and/or front sight you could put on the end of your AR barrel?

>>31200608
That's part of why a bayo charge is effective, and appears to be more effective than it was during the 19th and early 20th centuries, it's RARE.

All of the AARs regarding them (I think there were 3 legit bayonet actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all were Brits being Brits,) cite that the enemy was caught off guard by the charge and were not prepared to repel.

It's all good when it's bang bang bang on both sides with one side closing in, it's quite another when it's covering fire with half a company of angry limeys intent on poking you with a big knife.

>>31200608
>accurate depiction of arma
>waiting for CAS
>someone's lasing the tower

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>>31199829
yes.

>>31202752
Larger bayonets that sit right along the bore cause accuracy shift. This is present in Mosins if you compare with/without the bayonet.

>>31200104

You're right in that the bayonet charge en masse isnt a tactic that's implemented in any planning stage

IE:
we'll bayonet charge this enemy position at 0600.

It is a SOP for brits to fix bayonets when closing with an enemy and close combat is a possibility. Theres been plenty of bayonettings in afghanistan by brits, but not charges per se, mostly on compound clearances etc.

If anything it just gives you another option to get yourself out the shit, much like the scots guards implemented in the other anons post above.

>>31199771
They are overall irrelevant, but it's still useful to know just the smallest amount of stuff on how to KILL with a bayonet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFgSmR0i3A

British army here, we don't train soldiers how to use the bayonet on the basis that they will actually be expected to kill with a bayonet, it's a lesson in aggression and the reality of war, bayonet lessons are a good way to drive home to the younger lads that they aren't joining the scouts, they're joining the armed "fucking" forces, that's why the two biggest weeks for bayonet training is weeks 5 and 12, the first 5 weeks are just hell, and the 12th week is the start of your combat training.

>>31203266
"Bring your rifle with you,son,don't let it go!"

>>31199829
for xtreme close quarters