Is this real or scare tactics? I can never tell anymore. Sur

>>31191798
>conservative daily
what a source

The BATFE backed off.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/newsletter/explosive-industry-newsletter-june-2016-addendum/download

>>31191812
Thanks, I'll put a hold on my innawoods plan then

>>31191812
>download
Nah

>>31191812

BAFTE: Let's classify all wetted nitrocellulose as a high explosive. No one but ammo manufacters ever uses it anyway.

Every research lab in the country: We use that shit every single day for identifying proteins. Now we are all felons.

BAFTE: Oh. Well shit.

>>31191914
kek

>>31191914
Lol, liberals amiright

>>31191914
I think my friend told me about this once. Is this the shit the labs buy in like super small quantities because they only need a couple cc's per reaction but in large quantities it's a catalyst for creating certain high explosives?

>>31191914
NRA said they were gonna waste a bunch of time and money with a super drawn out legal battle to.

The NRA are dicks about Import bans, but they step the fuck up when checking the ATF.

Their database is made of not searchable PDFs by congressional order. KEK

>>31191958

https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/protein-biology/protein-biology-learning-center/protein-biology-resource-library/pierce-protein-methods/western-blot-transfer-methods.html

No idea how much a lab would buy yearly.

>>31191914
after a stunt like that there should be a push to get the atf dismantled for incompetence

>>31191914
>Every research lab in the country: We use that shit every single day for identifying proteins. Now we are all felons.
My ex works in one if those many labs, it's cool as fuck.

>>31192912

Even completely ignoring gun politics, I have no idea why Congress doesn't inform them to stop.

It makes way more sense for the ATF to approach representatives with future plans so that they can consult any businesses in their districts/states. That way you can avoid costly temporary shutdowns of entire swaths of industry because someone at the ATF didn't know the ins/outs of antibody sequencing.

TL;DR: Fucking with the GDP is a great way to get your budget slashed in half.

>>31192967
>Even completely ignoring gun politics,

Because it's impossible. The ATF is a group of jackbooted fascists hellbent on fucking your shit permanently.

>>31191798
dissolve the ATF when?

>>31193084

Well, ATF director or not, the the last place I would want to be was on some 70-year-old US senator's shit list because I inadvertently closed the largest chemical manufacturing plant in his state.

>>31193111
Right around the time the Hughes amendment gets repealed

>>31193120
I am not sure what's worse, pissing off the 70yr old senator or the 40 yr senator who is looking to make a name for themself.

>>31193166
well the older senetor prob has more powers and connections, and could ruin the career of the younger senetor who holds very little sway or power in a heartbeat.

>>31193294

Different anon. True, but remember Joseph McCarthy? Ambition often doesn't care about the body count.

>>31193331
Joseph McCarthy was right, you moron.

>>31193395
>>>/pol/

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>>31193395

That's more of an argument for /his/, but even if we accept that he did more good than harm, no one acting at the federal level isn't also ruining some innocent lives.

My point is that ambition can be just as dangerous as established power.

>>31191798
It's dumb gun owners not even reading the fucking letter. All this would change are storage requirements, nothing else.

>>31192912
YOU REALLY WANT FEDERAL FIREARMS LAWS ENFORCED BY THE FBI, DIPSHIT?

FEES FOR TITLE II WEAPONRY PROCESSED BY THE IRS?

>>31193294
True the older senator would have more connections but how much longer will he be around. One could potentially just keep his head down for a few years. With a young senator you will have to either but heads or find a comprise (if that is possible).

>>31193453
>ruining some innocent lives.
Who's "innocent lives" did he ruin?

>>31193527
Everyone who isn't some bootlicking faggot

>>31193531
Please name some names, friend.

Who's "innocent lives" did he ruin?

>>31193477
>FEES FOR TITLE II WEAPONRY PROCESSED BY THE IRS?

instead of ...the IRS wearing a different hat?

>>31193576
Instead of the ATF.

>>31193548

> Accuses La Follette of not enlisting (at 46) and profiteering (off a radio station), despite heavily investing in the stock market on tips from Murchison and Hunt

> Tried to charge Lattimore with perjury. Claims unsubstantiated. Lattimore's career largely flushed down the toilet afterward.

> Accused Harlow fucking Shapley of ties to 36 communist groups. Claims unsubstantiated.

> Butler's campaign tabloid against Tydings

> Claimed George Marshall was guilty of outright treason, which nearly cost him Eisenhower's support

> "20, no make that 21 years of treason", because Eisehower

> Tried to sink James Conant's appointment to Harvard over a congressional pissing match

That's the few I can look up currently.

>>31193477
I would be ok with IRS running the NFA stuff. If they can handle it like they do taxes that would be great.
>Most forms are acknowledged within 24 hours of receipt
>Accepted within 48 hours of receipt
Oh heck we maybe could get e-filing.

>>31193792
You haven't seen what the IRS does when someone is out of order, have you?

>>31193548
>>31193736

While I'm at it, I figured you were counting on me throwing up Patton Davies and Annie Lee Moss as a trap.

1. Patton Davies was guilty of no more than being a realist about the communists' chances in China, and McCarthy barbecued him for it for personal gain.

2. Annie Lee Moss's ties to communism were largely through her union membership as a cafeteria worker. I'll leave it to you to decide if that's worth barring her from being a gopher at the State department.

>>31193814
Actually my job is to stand in-between the IRS and the taxpayer. They are not that scary, just tedious.

>>31193111
When the economy completely collapses, the states balkanize, the government can no longer pay them, and the founding fathers rise from their graves to seek vengeance (i.e. never).

>>31193084
/thread

>>31193736
>Accuses La Follette of not enlisting (at 46) and profiteering (off a radio station), despite heavily investing in the stock market on tips from Murchison and Hunt
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
>Tried to charge Lattimore with perjury. Claims unsubstantiated. Lattimore's career largely flushed down the toilet afterward.
Maybe. Ok, we'll say one.
>Accused Harlow fucking Shapley of ties to 36 communist groups. Claims unsubstantiated.
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
>Butler's campaign tabloid against Tydings
Evidence of a ruined life, please.
>Claimed George Marshall was guilty of outright treason, which nearly cost him Eisenhower's support
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
>20, no make that 21 years of treason", because Eisehower
???
>Tried to sink James Conant's appointment to Harvard over a congressional pissing match
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
>>31193863
>1. Patton Davies was guilty of no more than being a realist about the communists' chances in China, and McCarthy barbecued him for it for personal gain.
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
>2.Annie Lee Moss's ties to communism were largely through her union membership as a cafeteria worker. I'll leave it to you to decide if that's worth barring her from being a gopher at the State department.
Evidence of a "ruined life", please.

Sounds like you don't have shit for evidence concerning these supposed "ruined lives", Anon. This just sounds like run of the mill dirty politics and your big bad McCarthy boogieman looks like a pile of bullshit.

>>31191812
They do some really stupid shit so often that you have to wonder if they're actually really fucking stupid.

>>31194098
>destroying people's careers and public image
>not ruining their lives

Just because he didn't take those people round back and have them shot doesn't mean their lives weren't basically over because of him you drooling retard.

>>31194098
>Evidence of a "ruined life", please.
Not that guy but is that your only defense?

>>31194106
They're bureaucrats.

>>31193881
Then what's up with all the IRS commandos. What does it take for them to come to your door?

>>31191798
Buy more ammo just to be sure goy.

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>>31193453
just put this out there, in retrospect, the vast majority of the people he called out as dirty commies turned out to be dirty commies.

>>31194174
The agents aren't all that scary, they just want their money. 99.9% the IRS will be willing to work with you and try to reach some sort of settlement, even if it's at loss for them. That's what the agents are there for, to come to you and sit you down and try to work out how to solve your tax trouble.

>>31194153
>>31194167
Yeah, I'm looking for evidence not your bitch fee fees. Provide me with some solid citations of what you're claiming or fuck off with your bullshit.

>>31194208
99.9% of the time*

>>31194098
>Slander and defame numerous people by accusing them of being communists during the fucking McCarthy era
>Not ruining someone's life
pls anon, I can't handle the stupid today

>>31194214
You got evidence. You're just ignoring it.

>>31194214
He literally accused people of TREASON, aka an offense you can be executed for. But, nope, people should just stop being so sensitive ammirite?

>>31194214
Unironically kill yourself.

>>31194208
With ARs?

>>31194208
This

Disputed a few things regarding my former mortgage and a short-sale with the IRS and paid 1/5th the amount they originally wanted.

>>31194214
Different anon, you seem like an absolute fuckwit.

>>31194227
>>31194231
>>31194240
>>31194247
>>31194267
>Slander and defame
Oh, the humanity!

Like I said, just sounds like some dirty politics. Was anybody even tried for treason? No?

Clinton's being publicly accused of treason right now. The fuck are you idiots talking about?

>>31194268
>bu-but Clinton
And the shill reveals their true colors.

As someone from /pol/ allow me to say...
Ahem-- >>>/pol/

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>>31194268
>Destroy people's careers
>Ruin their public image permanently
>Get them accuse of crimes that could get them sent to prison of execute
>These people are just a bunch of pussies who shouldn't get their fee fees hurt

>>31194268
Now, I'm not a nazi-boo, and I don't believe we should euthanize the retarded or mentally ill, but in your case I'd be glad to make an exception.

>>31194268
Being put on McCarthy's shitlist was a surefire way of being made unemployable back in the day.
Hollywood jews being an exception.

>>31194106

They exist to fight very narrow kinds of crime. They do stupid shit so they can look like they're doing something. If gun crime decreases by 10% and knife crime increases 6 fold they can say they did their job. Which is probably the best excuse for just abolishing them outright. At most the ATF should just be a division of a law enforcement entity tasked with managing regulation. Not a full blown law enforcement entity themselves.

>>31194174
>>31194208
That 0.1% of the time that the commandos come to your door, it is generally your fault. The only situation I can think of is if you keep ignoring the notices from the IRS, then the certified mail notice, the the courier company that serves you your court summons, then you skip your court date.
I can't think of a time the IRS took the lead on bashing in someone's door. They generally let either the FBI or local police so that.
The only other situation you may find the IRS coming after you with commandos is if you lie and try to hide income from illicit means. See All Capone.

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>>31194287
>>31194288
>>31194289
>>31194293
>Was anybody even tried for treason?
Yeah, exactly. So the answer's "no" then. You retarded faggots can't even come up with a solid "ruined life" example.

>>31194288
Especially you, dipshit.
>Ruin their public image permanently
Permanently? Really? Provide one example. juuuust one. Pro-tip: you can't because that shit's a figment of your imagination.
>Get them accuse of crimes that could get them sent to prison of execute
Could? Did anybody ever go to trial? No?

Shut the fuck up.

>>31194359
If you love McCarthy so much, why don't you marry him?

>>31194359
>McCarty wuz a gud boi, he dindu nuffin

>>31194359
i havent seen this much butthurt since the gay porn star convention

>>31194359
See >>31194293

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>>31194098

If we're looking for exactly ruined life, then out of this list:

Lattimore and Davis both had their government careers ended. Davies went from being one of the most bad ass diplomats alive to working at his families furniture store. Anne Moss lost her job, although she was rehired to a lower position afterward. She also had her lack of education largely paraded across the national stage.

I get it. McCarthy wasn't the giant wad of human refuse the progressives have painted him as. He did root some questionable individuals. But he was perfectly happy to end (at least) 3 careers for personal gain and terrify political opponents into submission by threatening to pull them into the modern day equivalent of the Star Chamber.

The man was a giant douche canoe, and also, according to another douche canoe extraordinaire Henry Ainslinger, possibly also a heroin addict.

>>31194297
In student congress I made a bill on the premis of budget cuts that dismantled the ATF, alcohol and tobaco were given to the FDA, explosives and arson were given to tye FBI, Here is the fun part no one in my class knew much about gun laws, I sold them on repealing the GCA and the NFA because it would eliminate expenditures. TFW I made my liberal classmates vote into law a bill that would make it so you could buy machine guns from the corner store without a background check.

>>31191812
>>31191914
yo, hol up

is you sayin

that the ATF, an organization that has FIREARMS in their name

doesn't know SHIT about firearms?

>>31192844
I went through about a roll of it during my college research project. I ran several hundred gels during that period of time for research and demonstration. I don't know how much big labs use but I have yet to step into a biochem lab that didn't have at least a roll of it in stock.

>>31194428

The F stands for failure.

>>31194372
>>31194391
>>31194395
>>31194397
Cite an example of someone who was documented to be perpetually unemployed because of the claims McCarthy made. Pro-tip: you can't because that person doesn't exist.
>>31194414
So some people lost their jobs, had to take other jobs, and some were embarrassed nationally? Boo fucking hoo, because that kind of shit doesn't happen all the time, right?

Oooooh, that boogieman know as cutthroat politics! Sooooo scawy!

Stupid faggots.

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>>31194480
Not sure if trolling or just legit retard

>>31191798
back door ammo? i'm sure I have a relevant gif

>>31194491
>Cite an example of someone who was documented to be perpetually unemployed because of the claims McCarthy made. Pro-tip: you can't because that person doesn't exist.
Oh, so you can't then?

Surprise surprise.

>some idiot is actually defending Joseph McCarthy

McCarthy is a scumbag because his ultimate failure actively damaged more serious attempts to root out Communists and Communist sympathizers in the American government. When he was discredited as a result of making unsubstantiated or poorly substantiated accusations for the purposes of increasing his own visibility/political power, it also unfortunately discredited the very real notion that internal subversion by Communist agents was a threat to the United States. That this mistake came back to bite us all in the ass during the 60s and Vietnam War hardly needs further explanation.

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>>31194523

See
>>31193736
>>31194414

You're legit just ignoring evidence and moving the goalposts every single time. Just accept you're retarded.

>>31194480

~1950's

> Be Lattimore
> Run afoul of Joe
> Lose your job as State Department consultant and never teach at Uni again

> Be Davies
> Work you ass of to stop the Chinese Nationalists
> Establish US Army Observation Group in China
> Bail out of a malfunctioning plane of Burma
> Avoid head hunters, save entire crew
> Receive Medal of Freedom
> Run afoul of Joe
> End up in a furniture store

- - - - -

~2020

> Be >>31194480
> Go on Mongolian barbecue plate arrangement board
> Tell everyone losing your career isn't _that_ bad
> Call everyone faggots
> Wonder why you never get invited to parties

The IRS wouldn't deal in firearms. Prior to the ATF, NFA issues were handled by the Treasury Department as the NFA stamps ARE Treasury Stamps. People forget that.

>>31194536
>HURR DURR MACARTY UH SKUN BAG
>Oh, and here's a little tidbit of information: turns out McCarthy was right all along. What a kawinkidink!
lol
>>31194560
>>31194566
I'm still looking for these "ruined lives". Working in a furniture store? Shit, he might as well been dead, right?

>>31194332

Most of the times you look deeply into the people who have IRS trouble it's one of four:

1) Took very bad advice from professionals. (Willie Nelson is the ur-example)

2) Took very bad advice from people who think that because someone in Delaware in 1913 was a Freemason who signed using a green ink pen means income tax is unconstitutional, also the magna carta, your social security number is a registration for a false person blah blah blah...

3) Decided not to pay their taxes, and got away with it long enough that they felt they were the ones getting screwed when consequences finally rolled up on them.

4) Occasionally actually got screwed; like some old guy who still does all his business in cash and probably wasn't doing much wrong, but the way they were doing it tripped every warning flag in the system. (Cash only generally translates to tax people as: 'I am cheating on my taxes').

>>31191914
>NWO's secret bioweapons and genetic supersoldiers get accidently shit on by their own ATF minions stupidity
>angry reptilians/illuminati about to tear the ATF's ass a new hole for ruining their secret schemes.

If only.

>>31194599

> I'm still looking

Actually, at this point, I think you're just OP trying to keep his thread afloat. I wish 'sage' was still a functioning concept.

>>31194625
Shit, bro. He had to work in a furniture store?

Damn, did they make him sweep the floor and shit too? J-E-S-U-S H-A-R-O-L-D C-H-R-I-S-T

>>31191798

Whatever the impotent chimp does at the end of his term is weak. The real worry is if DHS steals the election to put Bill Clinton's wife in the white house, then we're fucked.

>>31193591
Which is still collecting the taxes and fees however as has already been pointed out the IRS is much more efficient. The IRS doesn't give a fuck about gun control as long as theybget their money, just like there is a mechanism for drug dealers to pay taxes on their earnings. They don't give a fuck what you do with your life as long as come april you pay what you owe.

>>31193814
The key there is "out of order" pay your fucking taxes and you won't have no problems. If the ATF processed their paperwork as fast as the IRS getting NFA stuff would be way easier.

>>31195909
>pay your fucking taxes
Income taxes are a scam, fuck you

>>31195923
No, they are not. They are how our government pays for the best military in the world, and funds welfare (those two are the biggest portions of our spending). Without taxes we could not ensure our Arab frenemies stay in power and keep the oil flowing to us, or keep the Russians, Chinese and Arabs from attacking us and or each other in order to grab more resources for themselves.
>taxes maintain the status quo

>>31197316

>INCOME tax

>>31194098
Were you born this retarded, or did you suffer some sort of brain trauma? The evidence is all over the fucking thread. Why in the name of all that is fucking holy can you not at least acknowledge that McCarthy ended up fucking a few people over in his time. Also explain to me explicitly what your definition of a ruined life is.

>>31194214

>>JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEAL BEAMS!

>>OBAMA IS A MOOSLIM FERINER OUT TO TAKE ER JERBS!

>>DA HOLOCOST WAS A JOO TRICK TO GET OUR MONIES!


This is you right now.

>>31195923
>mfw shitters get nailed for tax evasion while I pay a tiny capital gains tax

This is not the country to be poor, and you sound poor to me.

>>31198335
Fuck off to China, bootlicker

>>31198355
I don't lick boots, I pay for them.

If you don't live primarily off of capital gains, you're getting robbed, and I'm laughing at you because it benefits me personally.

>>31198380
Good for you, how does this justify the income tax?

>>31198391
Because it provides public services that I benefit from, and doesn't cost me money.

I mean, it's easily worth paying income tax in exchange for the services the US government provides. That's why there's 20 million people in line to get the deal you were born with.

But still, enjoy being a useful idiot for the rent seeking upper crust. Libertarians are just another way to subdue meaningful political opposition by coopting it into something that doesn't matter.

>>31198423
>Because it provides public services that I benefit from
But I don't care about you and neither does anyone else. Those services could easily be provided without the tax, anyway.

3/10 troll job

>>31198464
>But I don't care about you and neither does anyone else

And yet you continue to do nothing to keep me from living high on the hog and paying next to nothing in taxes because "MUH INVESTORS"

I mean, income taxes exist because 95% of the US population thinks they're a good idea, and they think that because they are a good idea.

If you were smart, you'd be going after the people who only pay taxes in the Cayman Islands, and leave you holding the bag, but you've been successfully distracted into a dead end political ideology.

>>31198506
1/10, stop posting and you might pick someone up.

>>31194208
Given what they did to anybody involved at a high level in a Tea Party, and the way they've been weaponized against quite a few people who have annoyed the Administration, I am somewhat less sanguine about the IRS.

>>31194428
They have proven this on multiple occasions.

>>31197316
>Military
>Welfare
>"two biggest"

Well, sure, except that one is ~$600B, and the other is more like $3T, growing rapidly, and cannot be changed without a massive supermajority.

>>31191798
>Rich people with stock in gun and ammo companies get "articles" like these published
>Poor people go out and buy everything they can out of fear
>Rich people making all the money
>Poor people shitting on shit they will never use

>>31198506
Income taxes exist because a racist, bigoted, socialist lied his way into office and proceeded to convince voters a hundred years ago that they would only ever be used to tax the absolute wealthiest, and only at a 1% marginal rate.

>>31194268
>Clinton is being publicly accused of treason
Wanna know why?