China to receive AN-225 blueprints, technology licence including

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>>31168879
The signing ceremony.

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>>31168884
China and Ukraine/Antonov have a long standing working relationship. This is especially evident in the Y-20's nose design, which is basically inspired by the AN-70.

>technology licence including engines

Not surprising given China is now starting their own state engine company iirc.

>>31168879
>After signing the agreement, Chinese airspace Group will receive A-225 including engines all technical drawings and property rights.
Wow, the Chinese will love that, their engine tech has been shit for years and years.

What the hell is Russia thinking, that was like the only thing they had going over Chinese aerospace manufacturing.

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Chinese military watchers question why they chose the AN-225, which has only one airframe, and why not the AN-124.

But the fucking size of that thing speaks volume about its uses.

>>31168928
>Russia

Ukraine.

They need all money they can get.

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The AN-225 needs some deep modernization. Possibly this is the reason why they sold the AN-225 tech and not the AN-124.

Let's see what China will do with this, generally awesome, airframe.

>>31168938
Ah. More to the point, they are probably happy to stick it to Russia in this fashion. Russia is dangerously close to having even its R&D surpassed by China at which point they will be fully eclipsed as a world power. Bad enough when the Chinese were licensing Su-27s and then just kept building them after their license ran out (without any further payments to Russia of course), once their engine tech is up to snuff they're going to stop needing Russia at all.

>>31168930

I think this is most about the engines, although the A-225 gives them that lovely strategic reach they've been looking with their stability and training ops in Africa.

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>>31168953
>>31168930
Cant wait for the Chinese built one to receive that badass dark-grey painting and deep red PLAAF roundels.

Albeit, Russian imports usually receive that blue paint scheme.

>>31168884

Obligatory
>manlets

>>31169129
>at rast re wirr be big men wif big pranes!

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oh shit.

not a hoax.

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Those big fucking D-18T engines with 230kn thrust would be useful for China's new bombers that are under development.

Or even a radical H-6 upgrade with two D-18s instead of their D-30s, would give China a B-52 class bomber.

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Related:

China is in preliminary talks with Ukraine to finish the second Antonov 225 cargo plane

China is in talks with the Ukraine to finish a half built second copy of the Antonov cargo plane. It would likely cost about $300 million to complete the plane.

The Antonov An-225 Mriya is a strategic airlift cargo aircraft that was designed by the Soviet Union's Antonov Design Bureau in the 1980s. It is powered by six turbofan engines and is the longest and heaviest airplane ever built, with a maximum takeoff weight of 640 tonnes (710 short tons). The Antonov An-225, initially developed for the task of transporting the Buran spaceplane, was an enlargement of the successful Antonov An-124. The first and only An-225 was completed in 1988

Ukraine’s Antonov Airlines operates seven An-124s, as well as the massive An-225, the largest cargo plane in the world. Antonov was looking to convert the An-124 into using western avionics and engines.

Antonov has helped China's Shaanxi Aircraft Company to produce a much improved version of the Y-8 called the Y-9, which can carry 20 tons of cargo. In addition, China held discussions with Antonov regarding the possible co-production of the 150-ton capacity An-124 Ruslan, which exceeds the 120-ton capacity of the US C-5 transport.

China plans to build more than 1,000 heavy strategic transport aircraft. In January, the China Daily reported that the People's Liberation Army Air Force was preparing to develop a new fleet of stealth fighters and heavy transport aircraft. The latter, the Xian Y-20 transport, was in particularly high demand, given Beijing's lack of a "fast and reliable platform" to deliver arms and soldiers over long distances.

Heavy transport aircraft are critical to extend the operational range of China's airforce. They can be used for mid-air refueling. It will also allow for rapid deployment of troops and tanks to different locations.

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/06/china-is-in-preliminary-talks-with.html

Christ can you imagine the explosion when this thing eventually crashes?

ITS GONNA BE HUGE

>>31169377
Kinda like the Varyag and the Zubr: Buy some unifinished ones and receive the documentations and technologies afterwards.

>>31168930
This plane was designed to transport Russia's space-shuttle.

China could transport an entire gunship regiment inside to Africa.

>>31168965
Advanced R&D warrants well-developed fundamental science. Quality hardware manufacturing requires decades of expertise in metallurgy. Neither of which China has, and both of which US will lose after ill-educated millenials will replace current generation of american scientists and engineers.

>>31169427
>China could transport an entire gunship regiment inside to Africa.
Or to the US...

NEW RED DAWN IMMINENT

WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THE SIGNS

>>31169449
fuck off back to /pol/ there are plenty of well versed soon to be scientists and engineers here in the US

>>31169472

Why would they want to? War with the US and allies is complete economic suicide. The world's been in a state of financial MAD for a decade or so now.

>>31168965
>stick it out to Russians
Kek. Destroying and selling every remaining manufacturing in your country to foreigners while buying gas from Russia on IMF loans.
>We're literal Zimbabwe now, that'll show 'em white people!

Keep at it Taras.

This is really big news politically. China has been feuding legally with Russia for years for their unlicensed manufacturing of SU-27 knock-offs. This might show strengthening economic ties as well as political and strategic interests.

>>31170315
Ukraine is not Russia.

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>>31170647
>Ukraine is not Russia.

>>31168879
That is pretty stupid thing to do for country who considering itself as U.S ally.
I hope they, at least, spend money from this deal on the military.

>>31169496
>China is dependent to US
You have that backwards, China is self-sufficient while US would collapse overnight without China.

>>31168928
>>31168938
Ukraine as 38 said. Russia's heavy lift has always been developed in Ukraine, and now the dun and gone goofed. They were planning on snapping up each bit of Ukraine's industrial base, and in particular getting the AN-225 would have been a major win.

Now its China's and by developing further relationships with China, each attack on Ukraine serves to irritate a much larger threat.

If you have to swear fealty to someone, its a luxury to pick your master.

>>31168953
Not sure what all is involved in the transfer, but if they are getting the equipment and jigs from the factory, they will probably make upgrades where it is opportunistic to do so.

The AN will likely serve to increase their education in large air frame aviation building and development. The Chinese like to use composites, and are surprisingly adept at it, so I expect we will see:

more composites
deep modernization of avionics
improved/ robotic cargo area, possibly C-17 style
If they claim it as a civilian airliner, and fly a few variants as such they could try to get western engines on it which would be insane but really unlikely.

Umm...hey hey. AN-225 gunship? Nah, but more realistically, an Arsenal ship, very possible.

Antonov Facebook Page report:

"On August 30, 2016, ANTONOV Company included into Ukroboronprom SC and Aerospace Industry Corporation of China (AICC) signed Cooperation agreement on the AN-225 programme. In such way, the parties expressed their intentions as for long-term cooperation. The first stage of this interaction consists in construction of the second modernized AN-225 Mriya at ANTONOV Company and delivery of this aircraft to AICC. The second stage – organization of the joint series production of the AN-225 in China under licence of ANTONOV Company. Both stages will be realized in accordance with proper contracts."

Source: http://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-sold-an-225-and-related-technology-expertise-to-china.446945/#ixzz4IwMOIr3q

>Ukraine finish up the 2nd incomplete An-225 for China
>Future Licence Production in China

Just as the Zubr.

>>31172311
Would be pretty good, if modernized with more composites and hence more useful payload.

Maybe China could even turn them into airborne ICBM carriers.

>>31170956
Top shitpost Pee Nat But Ter Jam
50¢ coupons will be delivered to your housing society

Murrica is finished

>>31172867
But it's true? All of America's major industry outsource most of their production to other countries and import vital material/products, many from China. How do you expect them to still function should that connection be severed?

>>31168879
Honestly awesome

>>31168953
Probably fuck it up.

>>31174218
I haven't seen too many fuckups by China's best manufacturers.

It's the lower-end guys in China who produce the cruddy stuff that breaks/crashes.

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Quotes from earlier this year...

>"More than 1,000 Y-20s will be needed," Zhu Qian, head of AVIC's Large Aircraft Development Office, told reporters, referring to the 200-tonne, 50- to 60-tonne cargo capacity, four turbofan-powered transport aircraft that first flew in January 2013.

>Zhu told the newspaper that China also plans to build "300-tonne, 400-tonne, and even 600-tonne aircraft". In this context a 600-tonne aircraft would approach the size of the Antonov An-225 Mriya and the Airbus A380.

http://www.janes.com/article/61026/china-needs-more-than-1-000-xian-y-20-transport-aircraft

THESE MADMEN PLANNED IT FROM THE BEGINNING

>>31168879

Why is Russia selling all its tech to China? What makes them think that they won't sell said secrets to Burgerland for a sufficiently nice sum?

>>31174912

It's Ukraine, and the Russian tears are going to be delicious.

>-Bu-but, I thought we were friends?

>>31174912
Ukraine.

For Russia, this is merely a lost opportunity to milk the Chinese and not a strategic or security issue, as both countries share similiar political positions and are de-facto diplomatic allies.

But alas, the Russians still have lots of other goods to sell the Chinese, such as the S-400.

If they use it like the russians, it will ve absolutely useless.

We will have to see what they will do with it, how much they will build, etc.

The us has 52 of the C-5, so we will see.

>>31175005
I'm sure on some planet your knowledge is quite impressive.
But your weak link is, this is Earth.

>>31175059
Uhhh, was that some grammatically poor attempt at a insult?

Gotta wonder how much money china paid to the clinton foundation to get this deal

Puppet government installed in Kiev, and they are selling the country away at the behest of their western rulers

I guess China won't be good for a devasting WW3 unless we keep selling them military tech, need that depopulation of whites/asians somehow huh

>>31172996
Other labour hubs ?
We have India,Vietnam,Mehico,other ching chong chang countries.
Sure it will be costly and inconvenient to shift manufacturing bases to these countries but much less costly than letting malicious commies like Chinese using them as bargaining chips and manipulating US foreign policy

>>31170956
China has liquidated its foreign currency reserves and sold most of its US debt. It's also racking up its own national debt.

It's the current year, and the current year isn't 2008.

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Kinda dig them Y8 tho

>>31172996
>All of the US outsourced labor is China and China alone, and no other options exist besides China
Man Beijing, you gotta get your shit together with your goons, this is just sad.

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>>31172996
>But it's true?

It's really not.

>All of America's major industry outsource most of their production to other countries and import vital material/products, many from China.

The Automotive industry does use Mexico and Canada for final assembly. But all the major components, like engines, transmissions, suspensions, and electronics, are produced in the US. Ford still has assembly plants in Detroit, Chicago, and Kentucky. Ford's aluminum body parts are produced by Alcoa, who has a major plant outside of my home city. Toyota builds their pickups in Kentucky as well.

Heavy machinery, like Cat, Deere, Siemens, Cummins, International, and Mack are all still mostly domestic.

If you're talking about cheap consumer goods, then you'd be right.

>How do you expect them to still function should that connection be severed?

That connection has thinned out a bit. The US would take that hit more easily than China, since as you mentioned already, billions are exported to the US by China every year. The US loses China as a lender, but China loses its biggest customer. The US can find other avenues, China would not.

>>31168879
>Unable to produce anything on their own the Chinese, in a strange twist, opt to buy blueprints rather than just haphazardly knockoff something
Truly we are in the end times.