Hey /k/, I'd like a really, really small automatic pistol.

>>31096025
>automatic

>>31096048
>what is context

You think all of Colt's "automatic pistols" were machine pistols?

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>>31096057
>what is context

I have a p32 and four .380s (among other handguns) to compare it to. Honestly, I prefer the p32. The size, weight, and cartridge are just right for me. It's not as snappy as the p3at, bodyguard, or lcp, and carries a fuckton easier.

>>31096090
So +1 for the P32 then

I've had two P3AT clones, the Ruger LCP and Taurus TCP. I didn't consider them that snappy or particularly large, but I really like small handguns and wanted something even smaller. The P32 seems like a good option if I can manage to dodge the minefield that is Kel-Tec's quality control.

youre looking for an lcp lad

>>31096104
Have had one, want something smaller.

>>31096025
Carry one daily and have for years. Probably ~500rds through it. Works good. Only problem I've ever had was rim lock which happened when I was fucking around with the mag. Thank God I caught the issue.

>>31096025
What do you want to know about the p-32?
Take down pin is kind of a pain in the ass to align the slide in the right spot. If you got a blued slide it's going to get scratched up opening it.

>>31096227
What condition do you carry it in? Holster?
I noticed it fits pockets really well but it'd make me really self conscious about movements without something really solid covering around the trigger.

I recently bought a Taurus TCP .380. It's super light and small (10.2 oz) and fits nicely in the pocket. I picked it up for $200 at RKguns and it shoots well, doesn't appear to be too finicky with ammo.

Taurus PT 738 .380
>if a lemon feed, just bend the magazine lips slightly as a dozen videos show you how to
>it feeds .380 underwood loaded lehigh extreme penetrator that fits fbi standards of defense ammunition with a spiraling wound cavity of 3" diameter
>the best trigger of .380 pocket pistols, of all pocket pistols

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>>31096025
>whacky battery of arms
What in the dang gone heck does that even mean?

>>31096344
Cheap ass uncle sparks. Works great. I've had it for ~ 8 years now. Zero retention. It's basically just to keep the gun covered and like all garbage holsters you have to reholster slowly so you don't blow your dick off from the cheap foam folding.

>>31096344
I use a desantis pocket holster. Stays in position even in extra loose pants pockets, stays in when i draw, doesn't cling to the pistol. FWIW, i wouldn't bothet with the extended mag.

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>>31096025
theres a lot of pistols in that general size, but theyre going to be in .380
Keltec and raven arms are the only companies making anything modern in .32 that Ii can think of (im probably wrong, feel free to correct me)
.32 was more of a 2oth century cartidge, nobody really uses them anymore. A .380 is about as small as people will go thses days. If thats ok with you, id look at
>smith and wesson bodyguard
>Sig p238
>ruger LCP
>berretta pico
>glock 42
>Karh seires
>diamondback

just what I have experience with. there are other .380s to look at but they might be bigger/heavier then your preference

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I'd feel safer with pocket sand than a kek-tek

>>31096773
Extended mag is nice for the grip, thing is already so compact unless you have very tiny hands it's hard to keep a steady grip on something like that. It's already so freaking compact and light that the mag extension doesn't really seem problematic for concealment

>>31096717
The holstering part doesn't really have to be that rushed most of the time. I know it's got a long trigger pull on it but in a pocket I'd still wonder a little bit what kind of movement could jostle it the wrong way. Just looking at the parts on it the bar that goes to the firing part would take a lot of force to jostle it to go off so covering the trigger really seems like the biggest thing with it, but I haven't had a chance to see if I can make the thing go off just by shaking it around really hard in different ways (not that I want to do that at all or around anyone else).

>>31096048
>>automatic
what are you implying?
do you not understand what "automatic" means?

Are mini-uzis legal in the United States?

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Anyone has experience with Walther PP in .32 acp? I can get one cheap, and would intend to use it for cc. Kinda want one because it's all metal and pure sexyness. Is the weight an issue for carrying?

Eurofag here so sadly quite limited options - the state owned gun store has no Ruggers, Berettas and Kel-tecs which seem to dominate the subcompact market. Also can get a CZ 92 for 80 euro, but hard to trust .25 acp. The only gun I have at the moment is XDm 9, but the bugger is to big to carry comfortably.

>>31098958
The thing about the mag is that it makes the gun square shaped and larger overall. The p32 with standard mag in a pocket holster is walletesque in shape and size. Perhaps with one of the cargo pocket holsters in a cargo pocket.

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Can't believe no one has mentioned the Beretta 3032 Tomcat.

7+1 of .32acp

>>31099004
Absolutely not, the trigger pull is very deliberate (long and heavyish)

>>31099821
For only 80 Euros, get the CZ 92 because holy fuck that's a deal and defensive ammo is around (it's not cheap but it definitely upgrades .25 ACP from peashooter status to something viable against people not wearing body armor). It's also an absolutely tiny pistol and you should have no problem concealing it.

For an actual serious carry piece however, the PP is a good choice. Yeah it's a little heavy but it's not THAT heavy, and you'll still forget about it all the same when you've been carrying it for a while. And .32 ammo, if it's not pussy American-style target loads, is more than enough to put someone down, especially if you remember shot placement.

Greetings from Serbia.

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>>31098756
Hi, YankeeMarshall.

>>31100037
its a nice option but too fat. the lcp is skinnier

>>31100365
Sadly defensive ammo (hollowpoints and such) is a no no here... I think I'll get the walther and then the cz92. State monopoly on handguns is a two edged sword, on the one hand the selection is shit, on the other you can get a walther and cz 75 for 200-250. Thanks for the tip and greetings from Lithuania!

>>31096531
It has a non-removable magazine disconnect safety that locks the slide closed. To unload the gun, you have to either eject the mag only about 1/4 of the way (to keep the disconnect disengaged without having the mag high enough to feed) or insert an empty magazine, then you can rack the slide to get the loaded cartridge out. It's really stupid.

>>31096227
Thanks buddy. I know KT's bluing blow ass so I was looking at the nickel boron version.

AFAIK you can avoid rimlock by just loading magazines carefully and making sure a top cartridge doesn't slip over the rim of one under it, right? Once the mag is loaded is it possible to bump/fuck with it enough that the cartridges jumble and get locked up? Or once it's loaded is it fine?

>>31097583
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I've said twice (once in the OP and once in >>31096096) that I'm specifically asking about pistols smaller than the common .380s on the market. I've had an LCP and TCP and liked them both, but want to know if there are smaller options in at least .32 that aren't a KT P32 or Seecamp.

>>31100037
OP here, love that pistol, but it's thick as fuck and pretty heavy. It's more than twice the weight of a P-32.

>>31102868
no there arent
the kel tec is about the smallest youre going to find and ive heard mixed things
theres also jennis or raven arms but those are going to be even more shitty the kel tec

>>31102897
Alright, well thanks bro. Guess I'm getting a P-32.

>tfw can get my p-32's for $25
feels good working there

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>>31096025
Baby Browning.
>really really small
Check
>automatic
Check.

>>31096025
Have you looked at the .25 beretta? The people who have them love them.

>>31102955
The 380 version is nearly identical except it's a little heavier.

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>>31100512
Yes, I see how that's too many opinions for you to handle

> enjoy the rabbits

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>>31103772
>Being scared of polymer

>Being this much of a fudd

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>>31103879
Scared of polymer?
Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension. What the actual fuck are you even talking about?

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>>31103879
Confused there, kiddo?

Does anyone have any experience with the Sccy CPX-3, or sccy pistols in general? I kind of want one for the magazine capacity and because I shouldn't have any problems concealing it, I just want to know if sccy has qc issues or if the guns just aren't much good.

>>31096159
The 32 is only negligibly smaller.

>>31097583

Raven hasn't been in business in years.

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>>31103941
>>31103972
Made light of him hating on a polymer gun. Said they were shit so I called him a fudd. Not seeing where the confusion is coming from here ?

>>31096025
Really small automatic pistol you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFdKw6UWkg

>>31102862
>AFAIK you can avoid rimlock by just loading magazines carefully and making sure a top cartridge doesn't slip over the rim of one under it, right? Once the mag is loaded is it possible to bump/fuck with it enough that the cartridges jumble and get locked up? Or once it's loaded is it fine?
That's what I've heard about avoiding rimlock in theory. I'm not sure how well it works in practice.
I'm going to dig up some mags for one of these with some 32's load them in there and shake them around a bit to see if it's really plausible they could do that, tomorrow most likely.

>>31105822
Rimlock is best avoided by using standard length (not swc or jhp) ammo. The angle of the magazine relative to a non-tilt follower does the job.

>>31106725
I had fmjs in the mag when it happened. Shit happens. I still carry it so it doesn't bother me at all considering it only happened once in ~8 years or so. The odds of me needing a gun AND having it shit the bed? Highly unlikely.

I still would have had the first round in the gun too.

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>>31104916
> doesn't like kek-tek
He must be a f-f-fudd who hates all p-p-p-polymer pistols!

>>31107192
Let me guess, you still use a j-frame because "revolvers never jam". Get with the times cuck lover.

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>>31107251
Do your parents know your on their computer?

> I called him a cuck lover, that'll teach him!

Get a real job and maybe someday you can move out of mommy's basement and afford a gun that isn't a huge pile of dog shit. Until then, enjoy your constant malfunctions because kel-tec is garbage.

>>31107426
My kel-tec pf9 has functioned flawlessly since I bought it. I keep it clean and well oiled and it treats me well. The only problem I have with it is the long trigger pull. Stop being a fag

>>31107251
>.32 acp/.380/9mm
>Kel-Tec swing or miss QC
>6-8 rounds
>cant shoot from a pocket
>a respectable possibility of jamming

Are you special needs, why would i carry a 6 shots semi that has all those issues and is often in a low power. when i can buy 6 or 5 shot .357 magnum that will go bang every time and out powers every other caliber in its size range.

>>31108426
but can you shoot from the pocket.
what happens if someone grabs the slide.
what happens in CQC and your right up on the guy and slide cant come all the way back.

>>31102854
>non-removable magazine disconnect
Can it be disabled? I too want a P32 but I absolutely despise magazine safeties.

>>31108523
A 3 inch barrel 357 is going to be way longer than a semi because it has a cylinder chamber and firing mechanism behind it, where as the semi probably has the slide acting as a bolt wrapped around the barrel making it a lot more compact with the chamber and firing pin right behind it.
.357 has got to be the biggest meme caliber, it works but when you get to smaller barrels in a overall size compared to a semi your not launching the 357 rounds that people talk about being efficient probably because nobody talks about the statistics of the barrel length of those 357's that had stopping power; you can really only extrapolate that the most carried ones were 3 or 4 inches long in barrel length.
If you want to get into overall size vs how well the round works I think you're going to get stuck on a few memes getting there until you try a few things out for yourself.

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>>31107426
>>31108523
A Kel-Tec worked great for this guy.

>>31108548

>but can you shoot from the pocket.
You can shoot one round.

>what happens if someone grabs the slide.
Probably a failure to extract/eject after the first round fired.

>what happens in CQC and your right up on the guy and slide cant come all the way back.
You've failed at retention shooting, and also probably a failure to extract/eject after the first round.

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>>31096025
Fear not heathens, your savior has arrived.

NAA makes some .32s. Anyone have any experience with them?

>>31101092
"Defensive ammo" in a small caliber would not be expanding bullets. It'd be really hot fmj or hardcast lead. When you don't have much penetration to start with, you don't want to trade any for expansion.

>>31097583
The p238 just looks so good for .380